A-Rod Statement Liveblog

A-Rod to speak this afternoon
Yanks no longer considering Joba for the pen

According to ESPN, A-Rod’s going to talking about his supposed steroid use within the hour, so I’m here to liveblog it. Not sure when exactly this is going to go down, so make sure you stay tuned.

Update (3:09pm): As you probably already know, A-Rod admitted to using banned substances when he was with Texas. We’ll liveblog the interview again when it’s shown in it’s entirety at 6pm.

A-Rod to speak this afternoon
Yanks no longer considering Joba for the pen
  • NYFan50

    Is this going to be broadcast live on ESPN?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      Yep, that’s what they said.

      • NYFan50

        Great, thanks. I sure hope this goes well.

  • andrew

    Not Live. ESPN just said the interview is ongoing. He just admitted to taking steroids. They will give us pieces of the interview as it comes in.

  • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

    Not sure when exactly this is going to go down, so make sure you stay tuned.

    PANDA WATCH!!!

  • steve (different one)

    well, if he took them, admitting it is probably the best course of action and in a way, it’s what’s best for the team.

    if he denies it, and there is some grounds for him to do so, it’s just going to drag out.

    admitting it basically kills his personal accomplishments and destroys his legacy, but it allows the team to move forward in 2009.

    • Chris

      I don’t know that it kills his legacy… I think there’s still a lot of good will for Pettitte and he admitted it. The people that have gotten killed by the steroid issue are the ones that deny deny deny. Clemens and Bonds are the best examples, but also Sosa, McGwire, and Palmeiro all denied it. Just about everyone else in the Mitchell report admitted it, and no one seems to care now.

      • Ed

        Pettitte isn’t on pace to set any career records though.

        Bonds holds a steroid assisted single season and career record, so people care about him.

        • mko

          A-Rod still has time to erase doubts about his talent…let’s hope the Hall voters and the public see it the same way.

        • steve (different one)

          right, this was basically my point.

          when you dig deep enough, isn’t this the crux of the “outrage”? the assault on the hallowed records?

          he admitted to hitting about 150 of his HRs while taking steroids. this basically puts an asterisk on it.

          • A.D.

            what if he hits 920 career HR?

            Then he can spot bonds the 150.

        • andrew

          It is rumored that Hank Aaron took amphetamines, as well as Babe Ruth injecting himself with sheep’s testosterone… steroids have been in sports for a long time.

          • TheLastClown

            Really about Ruth? Are you being facetious? I’d love to see an article trying to dig up some proof on that.

            • donttradecano

              nope hes right

  • Rich

    A-Rod has admitted to taking steroids for a period of time in Texas.

  • http://nyfaninboston.blogspot.com/ Manimal

    Mike, make another poll rating how arod has approached this out of 10. I think that would be interesting.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

      I’d give it between a 65 and 70 on the 20-80 scale, based what we’ve seen so far.

      • http://nyfaninboston.blogspot.com/ Manimal

        What could he have done better?

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

          None of this “different culture” bullshit. Simple and to the point:

          “Yes, I took banned substances from 2001 through 2003. The failed test made me realize my mistake, and I haven’t done it since. The test results bear that out. I’m sorry to everyone, blah blah blah, and I hope we can move forward from this.”

          The end.

          Play baseball.

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            I disagree. Noting the culture of baseball regarding how steroids were perceived and treated from 2001-2003 is critical to this story.

            It’s not like he killed a dead hooker and said “My bad, sorry I killed that dead hooker, it was a mistake, let’s move on” because everybody knows killing dead hookers is totally not cool. The rule he did break was not premeditated murder, it was more equivalent to jaywalking: illegal, sure, but universally perceived as relatively harmless and de facto sanctioned. It’s an important point to make.

            “Yeah, I did something wrong, but I didn’t really know/contemplate how wrong it may have been while I was doing it because it seemed to be an okay thing to do, so I didn’t do this thing with malice to the sanctity of the game aforethought. I broke the rules, but I’m not a lawless sociopathic monster incapable of being trusted. I thought what I was doing wasn’t that big of a deal.”

            • TheLastClown

              At least the hooker was already dead when he got there.

            • UWS

              To be fair, it’s much more egregious to kill hookers while they’re still alive .

              • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                Actually, it’s probably more reprehensible to kill a dead hooker after she’s already dead. That’s just gratuitous cruelty.

            • Tom Zig

              TSJC….how does one go about killing a dead hooker?

              • steve (different one)

                wooden stake

          • Glen L

            I actually think the “different culture” that existed (and it undoubtedly existed) should have been mentioned by a-rod .. not as any sort of excuse, but the backdrop is most certainly relevant to the story

          • http://asportsaddictneedsdivineintervention.blogspot.com/ E-ROC

            I would rather have A-Rod name names, phone numbers, addresses, manufacturers, scientists, or anybody who he knows took what and how they got it. This MLB’s chance to blow the steroids era out of the water, then we’ll be able to move on. They should sensationalize this case, just so we can all move on and not be disappointed again when another “good guy” tests positive for PEDs. I’m not an A-Rod hater. I’m the biggest supporter out there, but I do think league should sensationalize this incident.

            • UWS

              Wait, you mean it hasn’t been sensationalized enough?

              • http://asportsaddictneedsdivineintervention.blogspot.com/ E-ROC

                Blow it out of proportion. Grill him about names and who he associated with in his days in Texas because we’ll be here in another 10 years dealing with the same BS as we’re doing right now. Baseball won’t ever get over the steroid era if they just have a baseball player apologize for what he did and not name those he doped with. MLB should make it a big deal.

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

              I would rather have A-Rod name names, phone numbers, addresses, manufacturers, scientists, or anybody who he knows took what and how they got it.

              That might get him killed. Who knows who’s involved with this.

              • UWS

                Judging by some commentary I’ve seen, some people might think this is a good thing.

              • http://asportsaddictneedsdivineintervention.blogspot.com/ E-ROC

                Witness protection program.

                • jsbrendog

                  and now batting 4th for the yankees,number 13, juan smith, number 13

                • http://asportsaddictneedsdivineintervention.blogspot.com/ E-ROC

                  lol. He might play baseball in Antarctica.

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  and now batting 4th for the yankees,number 13, juan smith, number 13

                  Two words: Reggie Stocker.

                • Chris

                  He could always just wear a different number. How about 2. And he could play shortstop. No one would notice, until he fielded a ball hit up the middle.

                • usty

                  I enjoyed this comment. Thoroughly.

      • Macphisto

        I don’t know. The whole thing with saying he didn’t know that he tested positive is hard for me to swallow. I really needed him to come completely clean and I don’t feel he did. Once again, this just sucks.

        • mko

          What does it matter if he knew that he tested positive or not? He did it and he stopped…

        • Ed

          Why is it hard to swallow? The whole point of the 2003 testing was that it was supposed to be anonymous and no one would know who tested positive.

          The only reason there ever was a link between names and test results was because the union didn’t like the results and decided to try finding problems with them.

        • steve (different one)

          what are you talking about? he admitted he took steroids from 2001-2003. explain to me how knowing he failed the anonymous test is important.

          • Macphisto

            Because, I think he needed to come completely clean here. The first part of the apology was great. The rest had a bunch of back talk. Is there really any chance he didn’t know he tested positive? He honestly didn’t know what he was putting in his body? Maybe, but if it is discovered that he did know then it is just more BS from A-Rod. We will see.

  • A.D.

    Sounds like he did the best he could in the situation.

    If he only did it for those 2 years, he’s gotta feel like a real idiot right now.

    • TheLastClown

      01-03 would be three years, but who’s counting?

      • A.D.

        the point still stands

  • Donald Duck

    It will be on Sports Center at 6 pm eastern. The whole interview. Gammons looks like he is smiling a little bit. Alex is still doing typical Alex talk. Anybody who buys this whole “I only did it for a couple of years” biz is crazy. Alex is a fraud, no shock there.

    • mko

      If you don’t believe him fine, but I’m sure many people do. Why would he say he used it for three years when he could have said it was only a short time in 2003?

      You didn’t like him before, so you’re just feeling validated…

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside
      • Mike Pop

        Well tommie, Arod is a little to effimate for my taste.

        • Mike Pop

          effeminate**

          • steve (different one)

            too***

      • Sweet Dick Willie

        I think that, in trying to prove your point, you went totally overboard.

        You’re saying Don Mattingly could be considered a bad player because he chose not to inject his body with illegal chemicals, that may or may not have adverse long-term side effects (see Lyle Alzado)?

        According to your (flawed) analogy, a politician who won’t take graft could be considered “bad”, because if he took the pay-off, he could have obtained more for his constituents.

        I usually find your posts well-reasoned and entertaining, but on this one, you missed the mark by a mile.

        • TheLastClown

          Umm…when was the last time political graft went to any constituency?

          • Sweet Dick Willie

            The graft doesn’t go to the constituency, but that doesn’t mean they don’t sometimes benefit from it.

            To win ta public works project for his state, the senator/congressman awards the bid to a firm that pays him off. If the project generates jobs and/or tourism, the residents of his state benefit from his illegal act.

  • UNION YES.

    If A-Rod can break the single season HR record from this point on – there will be a re-birth. That’s really the only significant record I can think of that can still be considered legitimate.

  • http://nyfaninboston.blogspot.com/ Manimal

    You think he will be tried in front of the Grand jury as further evidence of Clemens’ and Bonds’ perjury?

    • A.D.

      He doesn’t know if those guys took it (or if he does we don’t have any reason to believe he does), and thus perjured themselves when they said they didn’t take PEDs

      • http://nyfaninboston.blogspot.com/ Manimal

        But he might no some names and such

  • mko

    According to some users in the live chat, Francesca and Michael Kay are continuing to hate on A-Rod. Shouldn’t New York people like them try to be more understanding and most supportive? Do they really want that for the next 10 years? I guess it makes for a better story to make A-Rod look even worse, right?

    • http://tikidoesnotneedabarber.blogspot.com/ LB

      I’m listening to Kay and I wouldn’t say he is really “hating” on Alex. I don’t know about Francesa

      • JohnnyC

        Francesa certainly is.

        • mustang

          I don’t think he is A-Rod lie to everyone and he being taken to task for it.

          What do you want ?

        • http://tikidoesnotneedabarber.blogspot.com/ LB

          I just switched to Francesa. He is finding holes in his apology. He’s not buying this

          • mustang

            Do you?
            Come on?

            • Mike Pop

              He made a mistake. Let it go. Everyone did it brotha.

              • mustang

                You let go if you want. He took the shit and went on NATIONAL TV saying that he didn’t when he never even had to. He is a liar plain and simple.

                • Mike Pop

                  Ya he is a liar but everyone is a liar. He also thought this report would never get out because it never should have but people leaked it. (Not saying he is a saint but it is definitely understandable)

              • mustang

                “Everyone did it brotha”

                And that makes it right.

                • Mike Pop

                  Well…yea if you put it that way because if everyone idd it, it is not cheating.

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  And that makes it right.

                  Yeah, it kinda does. At the bare, bare minimum, it makes it a whole hell of a lot less wrong.

                • mustang

                  At one point in this country people had slave.
                  Just because everyone is doing it doesn’t make it right.

                  The shit is and was illegal.

                • Mike Pop

                  Nice comparison.

                • mustang

                  Bad comparison, but human history is full of evil shit that was ok by only the fact that everyone was doing it.

                  Sometimes you just don’t do something because its wrong.

                • Mike Pop

                  I hear ya but I still think that it’s made a bigger deal than it should be.

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  And while I think slavery is wrong, I can’t single out one person in history as being bad for owning slaves, because that’s the system they grew up in.

                  So again, while the fact that slavery is immoral makes it wrong, the fact that everyone is doing it makes an individual in a situation surrounded by the institution of slavery less wrong individually for going along with it.

                  Furthermore, slavery is the process of owning another human being. The universal morality or immorality on that topic is in much less doubt than the topic of putting substances in your own body for the purpose of athletic benefit. It’s like the jaywalking vs. murder comment I made earlier: the vast difference in popular opinion makes one crime less meaningful than the other, and hence makes one criminal less in need of absolution than the other.

                • Sweet Dick Willie

                  And while I think slavery is wrong, I can’t single out one person in history as being bad for owning slaves, because that’s the system they grew up in.

                  I think it’s time you take a refresher philosophy course.

                  What about the individual who grew up in a system that condoned slavery, but said to himself, “You know what? I think owning another human being is morally wrong, and therefore I refuse to engage in that behavior. I realize that that may put me at an economic disadvantage vis a vis my neighbors who don’t subscribe to my moral philosophy, but I’m okay with that.”

                  Trouble abounds when individuals stop thinking for themselves and/or fail to hold themselves accountable for their own actions.

                  Regardless of “what everyone else is doing”, each of us has to live with the results of our actions.

                  Sorry for the moral rant.

                • mustang

                  THANK YOU SO MUCH !!!!!!!!!!

            • http://tikidoesnotneedabarber.blogspot.com/ LB

              Do I what? Buy his apology? First I need to hear the whole thing, then I will make a final judgment. But from what I’ve heard, something seems a bit off.

              • http://tikidoesnotneedabarber.blogspot.com/ LB

                Kay talking about the holes in his apology too now.
                Guess he is ripping him a bit more now.

  • BigBlueAL

    Pretty obvious that when Arod kept saying it was the culture at the time he was biting his lip not to say shit everybody was taking it so I decided to do the same thing. At least he didnt throw anybody else under the bus.

  • Matthew

    Couple things I’d like to see A-Rod clear up:

    1) You are telling me that you got a phone call from Orza saying “you may or may not have failed a test” that he wouldn’t have followed that up?

    2) He said he didn’t know what he was taking was illegal or not?

    3) Why the sudden stop if you didn’t know you failed a test until a few days ago?

    • TheLastClown

      Sudden stop in what? Taking the steroid? They were officially banned and tested for beginning 04

      • Matthew

        I can see that…the other 2?

        • rbizzler

          As for #1, it is human nature to be scared shitless when you find out that you may have been caught red-handed. Alex did what many people would do in the same situation: ignore it and hope it goes away.

          I don’t think he would be rushing back to Orza and finding out the final test result, especially if he was consciously using (ie not taking a supplement that inadvertently caused a positive). He knew that he was caught and was hoping that he would never have to deal with it.

        • TheLastClown

          The other two I didn’t necessarily take an opposition to, but since you’re asking…

          1) Since it was a confidential list, with the separate coding and so on, A-Rod may not have been privy to a follow-up. Maybe. I don’t know.

          2) I’ve got nothing on that one.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      1) The test he “may or may not have failed” was an anonymous survey test that the players were told would be sealed forever and a test that had no punitive repercussions. Basically, whether or not he failed the test has no ramifications for him outside of the test results ever being leaked to the public, something which didn’t seem likely until about a year or so ago when the feds started seizing records for their ongoing BALCO case.

      2) I can buy that. Dude, if he’s getting stuff from the Rangers trainer, and half if not all of his teammates are on it, and there’s no penalty for it, I can see how a baseball-playing non-lawyer wouldn’t stop to investigate the legality or illegality of the stuff.

      3) He says he stopped when he got injured in spring training 2003. Again, totally believable: “I’ve been a superstar stud athlete all my life, mashing the tar out of the ball. I get to Texas and start taking these drugs, and then all of a sudden I’m less healthy (and Juan Gonzalez, a guy who was the MVP and one of the best players ever, who came back to the Rangers my second year there and is a HUGE juicer) looks like he’s aged from 29-53 in the space of two years… plus maybe I tested positive for this stuff and baseball looks like it’s moving towards stronger testing policies… yeah, maybe I should give this shit up before it gets me in trouble or kills me.”

      • Matthew

        But you wouldn’t want to know if you failed? That seems like a total lie to me…

        He never said he got it from his trainer, so that’s a big IF…

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          But you wouldn’t want to know if you failed? That seems like a total lie to me…

          Plausible deniability.

        • A.D.

          There’s no reason to lie about knowing or not knowing. Its an interesting tid-bit, doesn’t change anything.

          I can believe he didn’t want to know he failed. In the words of George Costanza:

          remember it’s not a lie, if you believe it

          made it easier for A-Rod to pretend the PEDs never happened if he never got confirmation of a positive test.

          • Macphisto

            There is a reason for him to lie about the fact he knew that he failed. The Yanks might have specifically asked him before the contract extension if he ever used and he might have said no. I just don’t believe the Yanks would give him that contract if they knew he used. The contract was all about the record. They had to ask him. That is reason enough.

            • A.D.

              Well the Yankees couldn’t void the contract either way. And 6 bonuses in the contract are about the record, the rest of the contract is about signing one of the best hitter’s & all around players in the game.

              Human nature is not really wanting to know if you’ve done something wrong. If I bombed a test in school I didn’t want it back, not knowing the grade gave hope it wasn’t so bad.

              • Macphisto

                Yeah, maybe. I think 7 years of that contract was for the best player in the game. 8 tops. 10 years was for the HR record. Who knows what he told the Yankees. I just think that is a possible reason why he would lie about not knowing he tested positive.

      • Sweet Dick Willie

        He says he stopped when he got injured in spring training 2003.

        But didn’t he fail the test in September of ’03? The roids stay in your system for 5-6 months? Really? I did not know that.

    • David

      If you are looking for absolute clarity, forget it. The guy has been advised that he broke the law and for anyone, except a saint, the put themselves on the position for possible prosecution is just plain stupid. With the recent history of overzealous law enforcement, the prospect of teams seeking money back, some rabid fan suing, and all the other circus-prone possibilities, he did as well as could be expected.

      • Matthew

        Ok, but let’s all get on the same page and say he gave a ‘sort of’ admission, with lots of questions marks.

        He didn’t come clean fully.

        Also, I don’t think he’d face any legal trouble. He never lied under oath.

        • rbizzler

          He never lied under oath but admitting to possession of a controlled substance opens you up to police scrutiny. Given the circumstances, he did the best that he could and was the most forthcoming of all of the people that have been outed (remember Giambi?).

        • David

          100%. But “a sort of admission” is what I expected. Giambi said what he could say and ARod said what he could say. A full admission opens Pandora’s Box. Not to get too legal, but a full admission might be enough for, again, an overzealous prosecutor (city, county, state or fed.) to pursue an investigation, warrants, etc… Roids without a prescription were/are illegal so it isn’t only about what was said under oath. Let’s remember we are talking about Texas, a state that is as hard on crime as it gets and is as prone to high profile, example prosecutions as there is. For every detail he gives, 10 or more questions will follow each possibly leading to further trouble. He was caught, he admitted it, baseball wasn’t punishing back than so they can’t do anything now. He handled it as expected.

        • http://tikidoesnotneedabarber.blogspot.com/ LB

          Ok, but let’s all get on the same page and say he gave a ’sort of’ admission, with lots of questions marks.

          That seems to be a fair take on it. I’m glad he apologized, yet things still seem off.

  • Nady Nation

    I just remembered – wasn’t A-Rod’s 10 year deal finalized the morning that the Mitchell Report was released?

  • mustang

    This is funny.
    Bottom line he got busted and this is the only way he can save his own ass.

    Lets NEVER compare him to Jeter.

    Play ball
    THE END

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Mustang, I wouldn’t be surprised or disappointed at all if Jeter did steroids.

      It’s just not a credible reason to make someone a pariah. Everybody was doing it, even the best players, and you were effectively putting your own earning power and possibly your team’s competitiveness in jeopardy by NOT taking it. These guys were in a position we can’t really fully contemplate, and as such it’s foolish and naïve and wrongheaded of us to be upset/disgusted with a player choosing to take steroids.

      • mustang

        I’m sorry my friend, but thats bullshit as long as there are players who didn’t use.
        My problem is more in the fact that he had the balls to go on TV and say he didn’t use. No one forced that interview on him.

        His ego is fucking insulting.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          I’m sorry my friend, but thats bullshit as long as there are players who didn’t use.

          No, it’s only bullshit if you want it to be bullshit.
          His ego is only insulting if you want it to be insulting.

          This is not an ARod problem. This is a you problem. You’re the one being naïve and trying to pretend like baseball is somehow different than the real world.

          • mustang

            You know your right.
            I’m just asking way to much for a player to play clean.
            What was i thinking about.

            • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              You’re being sarcastic, but yes, that’s the point. You ARE asking too much for a player to play clean. Because these steroids that we’re talking about were not “banned” per se, they were condoned and even encouraged. And you’re in a hypercompetitive environment where you as ap layer have to try to be better than everyone else.

              Think of it this way: Your friend is a college student at Harvard. You find out he’s been taking Ritalin to help him concentrate to pass his tests. How mad are you at him? Do you disown him and say “You’ve been cheating, and put your long term health at risk, I can never speak to you again?” Or do you take the time to explore the issue, and find out that gigantic numbers of Harvard students abuse Ritalin and other ADHD drugs, that professors turn a blind eye to it or don’t attempt to police it, that students caught doing it are given nothing more than a slap on the wrist… isn’t this the perfect environment for allowing, maybe even forcing a student to feel the need to abuse ADHD drugs, even at the possible long-term health risks and dubious ethical nature of it? Your friend is trying to stay near the top of the class to get a plum job that will set him up for life, and this seems like a fairly harmless way to get a little better concentration…

              You see what I’m talking about? There’s a huge moral equivalency here when the ethical rule you’re breaking is being broken left and right with virtually no consequence. It doesn’t make something that’s explicitly wrong explicitly right, but it makes it effectively much less wrong of an act. The ethical bar has been lowered by the system, and those of us outside the system have the luxury to be overly moralistic because we’re not facing the pressures or realtime situations those inside the system are.

              The line of “right” and “wrong” is not as clear as you’re making it.

              • usty

                Speaking of ADHD drugs. When will baseball look into the players on those now?

                http://bleacherreport.com/articles/112195-adhd-and-baseball

              • mustang

                Wasn’t being totally sarcastic and I do understand what your taking about.
                I must disagree “right” and “wrong” is as clear as I make it. But wrong is easy to do when everyone is doing it and millions of dollars are behind it.
                That’s why I think you’re right I expected too much. I know that ethical bar has been lowered by the system it would be nice if someone actually rose above it.

                PS. I hope I’m not coming off too righteous because I’m no saint.
                LOL

    • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

      Alex Rodriguez > Derek Jeter… and you know it.

      • mustang

        On roids or off ?

        • usty

          Derek Jeter could sleep on a bed of decadurabolin syringes every night and still be < A-Rod.

          • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

            Thank you.

            • Mike Pop

              Especially when the Yanks win 4 titles in the next 9 years ;).

              • mustang

                You really want to go there.
                LOL

          • mustang

            Doesn’t matter all those beautiful little numbers are tinted.
            For the ” greatest player ever ” or ” the greatest player of riods era”

            • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

              All the numbers are not tainted, his 2001-2003 seasons are, and that’s all we know. If you want to speculate that he did take steroids during other years and lambaste him for it, then you have to do the same for Derek Jeter; explain his 1998-2001 seasons (especially that 1999 season).

              • mustang

                No I don’t have to explain Jeter’s numbers because he hasn’t fail a drug test that we know of. If Jeters ever gets busted then I will questions his numbers too.
                Jamal you have know idea how long A-rod has been using or if he is still using now ( HGH can’t be tested for yet).

                The funny part is if A-Rod ever does pass Ruth and Aaron a lot of people like your self are actually going to believe that he is better then them.
                Thats both funny and sad.

  • UNION YES.

    If you boo Alex Rodriguez on opening day at the stadium, I’ll find it very hard to consider you a genuine Yankee fan. I’m sorry. That’s just my opinion. I’m not saying you need to embrace him with serenades of love, but your silence can get the point across. Now, if you plan on booing him or support booing him, did you or did you not express the same sentiment when Giambi and Pettite were outed. Let me remind you, Alex has done nothing wrong since putting on a Yankees uniform. He has admitted to his wrongdoing and apologized. It’s clear he wants to move on and play (as he has since 03). Keep in mind, opening day at the stadium will be a memorable event. For the record, I’m very dissapointed in A-Rod. However, I do believe in redemption and a re-birth of sorts. Will you let him move on? Free A-Rod.

  • http://fitnesse.co.uk UKYankee

    the cock that is Steve Phillips just said” he wasn’t surprised by Arod testing positive, none of those guys with spiked stats during that time surprise him”…….he also said it would maybe be a surprise if Pujols or Ortiz tested positive!!! he then said he believed the other 103 shouldn’t be made public….what use would that be when you already have the biggest fish

    • UNION YES.

      I agree with that turd Schilling on the matter. Release all or nothing.

      • Matthew

        Yes, the 103 need to be outed, for the overall good of the game.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          No, Schilling and you both are wrong, because doing so may rightly implicate the other 103 players on the list, but it wrongly exonerates all the others who did steroids but weren’t on the list. If David Ortiz and Juan Gonzalez aren’t on that list, it doesn’t mean they didn’t do steroids, but it gives people license/ammunition to behave as if they didn’t.

          You’re creating a false negative, which is almost as bad as a false positive. There’s no good solution here, so the right thing to do is to respect the boundaries of the original agreement and destroy the list.

          • Matthew

            I see what you mean, but I disagree.

            It’s unfair to ARod that he’s the only guy on that list and was singled out. Plus, this is the loose end the needs to be tied up.

            From 04 on via tests, we know who used. 1900-2002, they didn’t test. ’03 is the missing year.

            • TheLastClown

              03 really should be tacked on to your 1900-2002 timeframe. The testing was, as we all know, supposed to be anonymous, without ramifications.

              03 is not a missing year, but it was the last year of tacit encouragement of PED use by MLB.

              • Matthew

                Why not just come clean finally? Then baseball can go forward and say from 2003, we tested, here’s who failed…

                That’s as good as it gets, that’s all you can ask for.

                • TheLastClown

                  My point is that if that’s as good as it gets, you can put me down for a pass. What we’re talking about is a list of 103 players from 2003. This year was still a year when it was “allowed” to use PEDs.

                  All you’ll get is a dirty laundry list from the end of the era. That to me, is not a vindicating force. Baseball itself won’t be exonerated, and a small % of players will have mud rained all over them for really no reason.

                  Someone will come up with a steroid box from a few years before that, saying so & so cheated in such & such year, and it’ll launch right back into the same nonsense.

                  My way to go forward? Just that. Go forward. No amount of hindsighted rock turning of muckraking is going to make anyone feel any better.

                • UNION YES.

                  Also a good point. I’m going to change my stance now that my anger/frustration has subsided. Keep the list confidential, while keeping in mind that there are users in uniform today that got a free pass. A-Rod suffers for their sins. Public sympathizes. Favorable image. I’ll go with that.

              • David

                If none of the other 103 names are released, ARod might come out the better for it. One, didn’t point the finger at others. Two, if he is the only one to take the hit it will not be forgotten. He will be the one that stood up (albeit forced) and he will look picked on and singled out (which there is an argument for.)

          • UNION YES.

            That’s fair, I understand your points. However, lets say the list is destroyed and the 103 (102?) players go unnamed. Then they’re just as good as innocent and can act as such. We have to keep this a secret because the public doesn’t understand that the Mitchell Report and this list are most likely just the tip of the iceburg? Why do we have to give into the public’s flawed logic and fallacies? You’re right though, there’s no real solution. One man suffering from this type of injustice doesn’t mean others should suffer as well. Releasing the other names might as well validate the original leak. You can’t make a wrong thing right in this case. FML

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Ironically, you’re pissed at Steve Phillips for those comments, when they’re probably the most sane, intelligent, and correct things he’s ever said.

      Steve Phillips was 100% right on with everything you just quoted.

      (well, except for the fact that ARod’s “spiked stats” are probably 100% park effects and 0% steroids. I guess even ol’ Stevie can’t manage to go a whole quote without one inaccuracy, but still, the bulk of the comment was on point.)

    • rbizzler

      Steve Phillips: Lacking logic since birth.

    • Tom Zig

      Ask Steve Phillips how the Scott Kazmir/Victor Zambrano trade went. That was definitely in the top 5 of worst trades ever.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        That was a Jim Duquette move. Phillips drafted Kazmir, but he was fired before he got a chance to trade him.

      • UWS

        I love hating on Stevie P. as much as the next person, but he wasn’t in charge of the Kazmir debacle.

        • Tom Zig

          I stand corrected.

  • http://nyfaninboston.blogspot.com/ Manimal

    Mark May 25th on your calender, its the first time after this incident Arod goes back to Arlington.

    • UWS

      Meh. They’d been booing the shit out of him already. I doubt that this changes anything.

  • http://nyyu.blogspot.com Mike @ NYYU

    I don’t understand the live blog. My comment didn’t show up.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      That means I just didn’t post it. It’s nothing personal, there were hundreds of comments submitted.

      • http://nyyu.blogspot.com Mike @ NYYU

        I thought it operated more like a chat room type of thing. Now I understand. Thanks.

  • BigBlueAL

    Michael Kay is ripping Arod’s apology. What a shocker….

    • Tom Zig

      I sometimes like Kay, but sometimes I don’t understand his points or why he says them. Like the time when he flipped out about talking about a no-hitter while its going on.

  • usty

    I love all the hate for not confessing on 60 Minutes. Like that’s a normal reaction. Because not one person ever rats themselves out ever for anything until they are caught.

    No one is just going to call the cops and go, hey you know, I drunk drove home last night from the bar. You didn’t catch me, but I thought i should confess.

    Just a new retarded argument.

    • Mike Pop

      Um officer, I violated the 4 of the 10 commandments. Take me to the prison, I need to be absolved.

    • Nady Nation

      But why even go on 60 minutes in the first place? That’s the puzzling part. He voluntarily went on the show to “clear” his name, despite knowing that he juiced for 3 years.

      • Mike Pop

        Good point. Well he thought this report would never get out, as it should of never had.

      • usty

        Right. That is stupid. I’m actually shocked at how this went today with his past rep of f8cking up.

    • TheLastClown

      http://www.kxmc.com/getArticle.asp?ArticleId=316084

      Some people do just that. Although she didn’t wait till the next day.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        “Bismarck teenagers turns herself in…”

        Subject-verb conjugation agreement FAIL

  • BigBlueAL

    What I am hating is Michael Kay ripping Arod for making an excuse saying it was the culture at the time as if he is making an excuse by saying he was being pressured to do so and everybody else was doing it.

    WHY is that not believable???? Even Kay admitted that the 2001 Rangers roster is full of players who have been suspected of taking steroids. So its so hard to believe that Arod saw eveyone else doing it and figured fuck it I might as well do it assuming he wont get caught?? Thats called human nature and I dont see how that is so not believable.

    • BigBlueAL

      Dont get me wrong it was utterly stupid on his part since he is more than good enough w/o taking them, but still I can see his point.

  • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

    Wow, Jim Kaat just basically said on MLB Network that he would’ve done steroids if presented with the opportunity and have been knowledgeable of the fact that it was not against the rules.

    • BigBlueAL

      Mike Schmidt has basically said the same thing.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Yup.

        Andy Pettitte used HGH to help him rehab from an injury and get back on the field. If 2000’s Kirk Radomski would have walked up to 1990’s Don Mattingly and told him that there was this stuff called HGH that would help him fix his balky back, and that it was totally legit because it was so new and cutting edge that the league didn’t even have a test for it, Don Mattingly would have given Kirk Radomski sexual favors in exchange for vials and vials of HGH.

        Face it: Your favorite player would have cheated to make himself better if given the chance to get away with it undetected. Most of the players who never used likely did so not because they were morally opposed to it, it’s because they were too risk-averse to getting caught or too scared of long-term health repercussions.

    • A.D.

      Maybe then he would have won 17 Gold Gloves

    • TheLastClown

      Wouldn’t you? It only makes sense. TJSC keeps bringing up the fact that you’d be helping your own career *while not your own body*, and your teams competitiveness. And by doing something not expressly forbidden? By doing something that you see your colleagues doing?

      I really think, morally, as an issue of cheating, this is MLB’s problem. No one wanted to deflate the spike in baseball post-strike, and they let it be known that they weren’t punishing for PED use. Now they are, so I can see personal vendettas against players that juice NOW, but I don’t see how you can vilify players for doing it then.

      • TheLastClown

        Not to mention the fact that when ol’ Kitty Kaat was playing, cocaine was still a non-controlled substance.

      • Klemy

        That’s pretty much how I see the whole thing as well.

    • usty

      Holy crap….honesty instead of false indignance from a former player.

  • Nady Nation

    Jamal, what are your feelings on all this?

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Where is Ja Rule to help me make sense of all this?!?!?!?!

      • Mike Pop

        Surreal Life season 1893?

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=15305165&ref=profile Doug

          There’s a Surreal Life set in 1893?

          The Surreal Life: The World’s Fair/Columbian Exposition Edition

          GAY NINETIES STYLE

    • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

      I’m upset about it. I mean, along with Hanley Ramirez, Felix Hernandez and Robinson Cano, Alex Rodriguez is one of my favorite players in baseball. The thing is, I’m not upset about the fact that he used steroids – because to be honest, I have never cared one iota about the topic. I’m upset that now his entire career, his legacy as what I think is the greatest baseball player of all-time, is forever tarnished by both the idiotic and rational fans. It sucks that a career that will potentially witness 800 career Home Runs will now be looked upon with extreme doubt.

      However, I don’t feel any different about ARod. He didn’t become some all-word player during the 2001-2003 seasons after being a really good player prior to those seasons. Hell, if you look at his entire career, the 2001-2003 seasons pale in comparison to the 1996, 2000, 2005 and 2007 seasons. He was the best player in 1996, and he is the best player not named Albert Pujols in 2009.

      Also, I do feel that people love to grandstand. So, I do think that some (cough*Jerry Cransick*cough) need to shut their fucking mouths. Whenevr something smelly happens to a public figure, the public loves to get on their respective soapboxes and spew diarrhea out the mouth. I hate stuff like that, but that’s a story for another day.

      • Mike Pop

        Perfectly said.

      • mko

        Couldn’t have said it any better myself…

  • My Geass Makes You My Slave

    I will bet 20 dollars that hypothetically if we find out David Ortiz took steroids in the same year people won’t care. They’re just biased against A-Rod because he’s a Yankee or me makes a ridiculous amount of money. I seriously do not care that A-Rod took steroids in 2003. He’s clean now and he can prove that he can perform without them. He’s not like Bonds or Clemens who only believes in themselves that they’re innocent. Because of his noble gesture he should still get a place in the HOF.

    • Mike Pop

      Eh I see where you are coming from but I disagree with your point. People will still be upset if guys like Pujols and Manny, etc are guys who did it.

  • http://nyyu.blogspot.com Mike @ NYYU

    UNEMPLOYMENT INCHES TOWARDS 8%.

    4 U.S. TROOPS KILLED IN IRAQ BOMB BLAST.

    WALL STREET EXECS GET MILLIONS IN TAX PAYER FUNDED BONUSES.

    SENATE DEBATING LARGEST SPENDING BILL IN HISTORY.

    STOCK MARKET CLOSES DOWN AGAIN.

    BASEBALL PLAYER ADMITS USING STEROIDS.

    …..Time to move on folks.

  • Mike Pop

    Sean Casey’s my boy.

  • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

    Peter Gammons just said on ESPN 1050 that ARod’s ex-wife, Cynthia, was with ARod during Gammons’ interview with him.

    • BigBlueAL

      Fuck Jamal u beat me to it!!!!

      • Mike Pop

        You’ll rue the day Jamal!

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          I’ll take “Anal Bum Cover” for 200, Alex.

          • Mike Pop

            It’s an oversized hat, it’s funny.

    • usty

      Well, she does own half of it. Ziiing.

      • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

        Heh, nice.

  • BigBlueAL

    WOW. Peter Gammons said Cynthia Rodriguez was at Arod’s house during this interview. What will Madonna have to say about that!!!!!!

    • Mike Pop

      He needs his family in this time of need.

  • Dave

    Im certainly NO advocate of joba being a reliever – i want him to start all the way. bUT i ONLY think the yanks saying that joba will only start this year is good to an extent. Primarily, because he ONLY PITCHED 100 INNINGS LAST YEAR. it has been shown time and again that increasing a young pitchers workload by more than 60 or 70 innings results in severe repercussions the following season. And i can only assume the yanks are going to make the playoffs and want joba to start then as well. So as a fifth starter, he will get far more than 150 innings and then some in the playoffs.

    I think it is much wiser to keep his innings total down and use him in the playoffs than to pitch him to his innings limit during the season and then, bench him for the playoffs. I think they should let joba start the year off in the rotation but by 130 innings or so, they should pitch him out of the pen or very brief starts for a couple of stints until the end of the year. Then, he could resume starting in the playoffs or pitch out of the pen in the playoffs but at the very least, we will have jobas arm in the playoffs. Pushing joba into the fifth spot every time out and expecting him to make it all the way to the playoffs is just asking for his arm to fall off the following season. That wont be good for anyone. The yanks need a plan and it appears as if they dont yet have one.

    • TheLastClown

      I believe the idea is to skip starts on off days & have Hughes/IPK/Aceves/??? spot him a start here & there to keep him under the innings limit & have him fresh for the playoffs.

    • steve (different one)

      The yanks need a plan and it appears as if they dont yet have one.

      based on what?

      of course they have a plan.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Yup. They have a plan. It’s “Joba will only start this year, and we’ll pitch him every 5th day like a normal starter until he reaches his limit and we shut him down.”

        The plan was referenced right in the first sentence of the comment. They have a plan, even if we don’t agree with it.

        (Personally, I love that plan. I want no part of any more transitioning of Joba to max-effort bullpen work on an irregular schedule. I’m not interested in taking chances with his health; and we have lots of other pitching that can handle the bullpen just fine.)

  • Dave

    Steve,

    Based on cashmans comments – he basically said they were going to keep joba in the rotation until he reaches his innings limit. They will not put him in the bullpen. That is not much of a plan and he did not really elaborate on how they would do that and keep him under his innings limit. I think they will make a plan at some point but it doesnt appear that they have one in place at the moment. That is all i was getting at.

  • Dave

    Tommie,

    Thats a good plan for joba but not a good plan for the team. We have five starters but not all five will definitely be healthy in october. What if one or two of them is down and joba is on the bench? Will they not be tempted to use him? How can you not use a pitcher of jobas caliber in tight playoff situations? iT IS A PLAN but not a feasible one when the team is expecting to make the playoffs as an almost guaranteed certainty.

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