A-Rod tied to disgraced trainer Presinal

Dueling takes on Bernie's Tampa appearance
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Update 1:45 p.m.: Chris directs us to a 2007 ESPN.com article in which the reporter notes that A-Rod had trained with Angel Presinal. So now it appears as though the Daily News is simply re-reporting old news while intimated a steroid/PED connection. This may very well be much ado about nothing for A-Rod, and I’m inclined to believe that this may not be a very compelling story after all.

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I desperately wish we could all buy into Murry Chass’ call to move on with this whole A-Rod thing already. I wish we could be confident that A-Rod put the story to bed earlier this week with a mostly heartfelt and mostly accurate apology.

We can’t however quite put this behind us yet because this story is still developing in ways that could impact A-Rod and the Yankees this season, and it’s quite possible that the S word — suspension — could be back on the table.

The fun started when ESPN Deportes discovered that primobolan is not available over the counter in the DR as A-Rod claimed. That aspect of this story is hardly news. The Dominican is not famous for its exacting pharmacological standards, and from all accounts, it has been as easy to secure steroids and supplements in the DR as it is to by Advil and Claritin at Duane Reade. So fine. Big deal.

What is actually a big deal though is the latest development from the Daily News: A-Rod has reportedly been linked to Angel Presinal, the one-time MLB trainer who, along with Juan Gonzalez, was linked to a bag of steroids in 2001. According to the Daily News’ sources, A-Rod has been involved with Presinal as recently as 2007. If true, this revelation would cast some serious doubt on Rodriguez’s claim that he has been clean since

In fact, according to Andrew Marchand, the Commissioner’s Office could suspend A-Rod as they investigate his link to Presinal. According to the Daily News, A-Rod was warned that his association with Presinal could be trouble for him. (The article also notes that MLB monitors Presinal’s whereabouts. If true, wouldn’t MLB have known that he was associating himself with A-Rod? As poorly as Selig handled this steroid scandal, the league’s investigative unit is nothing but thorough.)

I want to be able to believe that A-Rod was just seeing Presinal to work out with a trainer. But considering that Presinal and A-Rod’s now-infamous cousin are linked by the Daily News, this cat isn’t going back into the bag any time soon. It’s probably going to get worse before it gets better.

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Dueling takes on Bernie's Tampa appearance
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  • DP

    Is there anybody other than Pete Abe giving updates from Tampa?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      Well, there’s news and then there’s crappy iPhone photos of training. If you consider what he’s doing “updates from Tampa,” then I think the answer is no.

      Otherwise, as camp is getting started and pretty much nothing beyond A-Rod is happening, this is, for better or worse, the news, and that’s the way it is. We all — RAB readers, writers and Yankee fans — don’t have to like it, but we can’t very well ignore it. This is going to impact the team this year. That’s for sure.

      • Bo

        His I Phone pics are horrendous.

  • http://amonthoffundays.blogspot.com Phil in LA

    ARod said he was sorry. Now move on and don’t be a part of the witch hunt.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      I’m prepared to defend this as not a witch hunt. The constant bashing is a witch hunt. Factual reporting of this nature is not a witch hunt. There are some serious problems here with A-Rod’s associations right now that could get him suspended. Angel Presinal is a big, big problem. It’s hard to understate that.

      • steve (different one)

        have you seen the list of other players he works with? i’m a little confused why it would be a “big, big” problem when he works with dozens of other players including Ortiz and Vlad??

        • Stryker

          because a-rod is the one that got busted for using roids.

      • KW

        I’d have to agree with you Ben, bashing A-Rod and saying he seemed disingenuous would be a witch hunt, but delving into the validity of his statements and what he’s brought to light is good reporting, and is necessary if everyone is to forgive A-Rod. Everyone’s quick to point out that Pettitte got much love for doing basically the same thing, but there are several differences, most notably that his presser was an open Q&A vs. the parsed apology session for A-Rod. I still think if A-Rod had come clean and just kept answering questions and NOT introducing new ones (bringing his cousin, et al into this), this would have gone away quicker and people would choose to forgive him. But these are things that need to come to light in order for this to move on.

      • YankeeScribe

        I still think we should give ARod the benefit of the doubt considering: A) he hasn’t failed a uring test or blood test(WBC) since 2003 and B)

        “In addition to A-Rod, Presinal has worked with some of the game’s biggest stars: Juan Gonzalez, Pedro Martinez, David Ortiz, Vladimir Guerrero, Bartolo Colon, Miguel Tejada, Adrian Beltre, Moises Alou, Jose Guillen, Ervin Santana, Ruben Sierra, Francisco Cordero, Jose Mesa and Juan Guzman, among others. “

        So if we’re going to assume ARod was using after 2003 simply because he may be friends with Presinal, we have to go down the slippery slope towards assuming everybody the guy’s worked with is tainted.

        Until ARod fails a recent drug test, he’s merely a victim in a ridiculous witch hunt…

        • The Evil Empire

          I agree A+ Great Job

        • Count Zero

          So if we’re going to assume ARod was using after 2003 simply because he may be friends with Presinal, we have to go down the slippery slope towards assuming everybody the guy’s worked with is tainted.

          That sums it up nicely right there…

          Personally, I don’t think this is as big a news item as DN is making it out to be. You find me some canceled checks from A-Rod to Presinal…you find me a failed drug test or some other hard evidence, then you have something. Right now you have innuendo and guilt by association — the same association which numerous other players have evidenced without facing the same guilty charge.

          Ortiz had this guy as a trainer in 2006 (post PED rules) — why isn’t he up for consideration of a suspension? Oh wait! Must be because Ortiz is innocent, right?

          Sorry Ben, but right now I’m going to have to go with “Witch Hunt” as opposed to investigative Journalism.

      • http://amonthoffundays.blogspot.com Phil in LA

        It is indeed a witch hunt. They’re trying to burn him at the stake for something the preponderance of players were doing. He said he was sorry and hasn’t failed a drug test since. All this circumstantial stuff is exactly the kind of hearsay that they used to justify their execution of those poor girls in Salem, Mass. And the people who did that were the ancestors of Red Sox fans. Have some perspective.

        • Jimmy

          To use ARod’s clean record of drug tests to assert his innocence since 2003 contradicts your assertion that the “preponderance of players were doing”. If failed drug tests are the measures for guilt, then only approximately 7% of players were using (hardly “the preponderance” of players). I’m not sure what ARod has done to deserve anyone’s trust.

          I am just as upset as every Yankee fan that ARod’s steroid use is today’s news when we should be discussing how Wang threw today and how much deeper our lineup and rotation are, but this is hardly a “witch hunt”. Go back and read the responses on this site after every bit of information regarding Alex’s use has been revealed. So many people were claiming “witch hunt” when the news first broke before the pathetic Gammons interview, and then after his “blaming-the-culture” admission most the replies were still defending him and taking him at his word, then after we found out he wasn’t completely truthful and that he didn’t see anyone else using in Texas many still didn’t want to distrust him … this time he was honest, oh wait …

          It is time to stop defending ARod. Stop blaming the culture. Stop blaming the owners and the commissioner and the trainers and the clubhouse attendants. Blame the cheaters, plain and simple. Blame the quarter-of-a-billion-isn’t-enough steroid users. Yes, I know it stinks that our best player got caught, but he did. Sure there are others that did it and are still doing it that haven’t been caught and that sucks, but their anonymity doesn’t make ARod any less guilty.

  • steve (different one)

    just FYI, you guys are being ripped on LoHud by RAB frequenter “BillyBall”:

    That socialist site known as River Ave Blues would not let me post about A-Rod’s breaking news on the Radio and ESPN. The fact that A-Roid had the father whom lost a son to steroids at his press conference and than lied again has to be discussed. This guy must be suspended. Than we can get back to Yankee baseball. As far as River Ave Blues. We should protest that site. They remove any article that attacks there editors or goes against there beliefs. I am a strong supporter of building within and keeping the kids and not trading them, so they were ok with me. Than when they attacked Jeter and defended A-Rod before this steroid non sense came about I attacked them and they banned me for a month. Now this new stuff comes out and Im not allowed to talk about A-Rod because they worship him. What a joke. This bi partisan crap is long gone as we see with our current government. Now its gone with Blogs except this one. Time to create my own sh#$y blog and let everyone speak there mind. Enough with this socialist crap!

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      Shocking.

      He posted off-topic comments; that’s why they were deleted. Had he bothered to stick around, this post would have shown up ten minutes later. I’ve emailed him to explain. I don’t quite see how we’re socialist though. If we’re willy nilly deleting comments, that makes us more totalitarian/dictatorial than socialist.

      • Tom Zig

        No one said LoHud followers were intelligent.

        • jsbrendog

          as evidenced by his inability to differentiate between their/there/they’re.

          • Thomas

            Or the difference between “than” and “then.”

          • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

            Hey, don’t make fun of Ben like that.

        • Yankee1010

          Or that dey no the slitest bit about grammer.

      • Ed

        Most people that use “socialist” or “communist” as an insult don’t really know what the words mean. To them, the words mean something like “evil person who should be ashamed of himself”.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

      BillyBall: Among the 99% of Americans who don’t understand the definition of Socialism.

      • steve (different one)

        BillyBall = Joe the Plumber

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        I like how he calls RAB “socialist” for not allowing an off-topic comment to be posted, and then one sentence later calls for ARod to be suspended for lying to the press.

        Also: “This bi partisan crap is long gone as we see with our current government. Now its gone with Blogs except this one.” – I have no earthly clue what the hell he’s attempting to say.

        Oh, and there’s a difference between “there” and “their”. I’m just saying.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

          BillyBall = Webster Thayer

      • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        Watch this short documentary if you have HBO. They interview a guy wearing a shirt that says something about Obama being a socialist, but he spells “socialist” incorrectly on his shirt and can’t explain what socialism is. It’s pretty awesome.

    • http://nyfaninboston.blogspot.com/ Manimal

      lol that dude is crazy, socialists? wtf is he thinking.

      • http://Ranger2709.blogspot.com Old Ranger

        I resent being called a socialist!
        Many are Libs, Dems, Reps and Consevatives, I haven’t seen socialists posting here. If there are any…more power to them, this is a free country.

    • AMS223

      too bad he uses the same spell check as the Yanks ticket office does

      • jsbrendog

        ietc

  • AndrewYF

    So wait, will they investigate Pedro and Ortiz, too? They also train with Presinal.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      They ought to. It’s also quite possible that they have already. That investigative division is good at what it does.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Ortiz and Pedro only interacted with Presinal in order to tip off the authorities to his nefarious dealings. They’d never use steroids themselves, that’s just silly: all they care about is winning.

        For Diamond Cutters, I’m Peter Gammons, ESPN.

        • Alvaro

          LOL!

      • http://ibbw.wordpress.com Jamie

        Has there ever been any details regarding who is on this Investigative team? Former FBI agents? I didn’t realize it was this legit/serious.. guess i figured Selig would mess up again. As you pointed out, I guess their body of work speaks for itself so far.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

          Pretty much.

        • steve (different one)

          Theo Epstein, Jason Varitek, Peter Gammons, Ben Affleck, and John Kerry.

  • rbizzler

    BTW, a commenter by the name of ‘BillyBall’ is just cold rippin’ on RAB over on PeteAbe’s site. He called you guys socialists and jeter-haters. It is the height of comedy.

    I think that he is pissed because you wouldn’t let him cut and paste the article about Presinal in the comments here.

    I agree that Presinal could be a problem for Alex, but the dude has been tied to just about every big name player from the DR. I am curious to see how in depth his relationship with Alex was/is.

  • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

    Wait, wait, wait… MURRAY CHASS is the one calling for this all to stop? MURRAY CHASS?

    When Murray Chass is the sensible one in the room, we’ve officially gone through the looking glass. We’re beyond Thunderdome, people.

    (head explodes)

    • steve (different one)

      yeah, and Celizic had a pretty reasonable column last week as well. i know, i know…

  • mrmetoo

    Robinson Cano works with him too! I bet Cano is on the juice…

    This is so stupid, let it go.

    • yankeefan91 Arod fan

      yea hes on orange juicee

    • steve (different one)

      proof positive that steroids don’t work!

  • zack

    Seriously though Ben, considering the above quoted list of guys, how can this possibly a)Be focusing solely on A-Rod b) be a news story and c) be any indication of ARod using steroids?

    Shouldn’t simply having spent time with Clemens, Pettitte, Giambi, Sheffield, and the rest be a far more damning association?

    Has there been any hard evidence against this guy since 2001? Is there any reason that you didn’t bring up everyone else in your original post?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      No hard evidence, but there is a relationship. I’m not saying that he’s definitely guilty, but it’s just another tie. Presinal may very well be clean, but I don’t understand why many players continue to train/associate with him. It just looks bad to have the Yanks’ officials saying this guy is persona non grata while they’re $27 million superstar is seeing him in hotel rooms.

      • zack

        Well that is a whole other can of worms. Why in the hell ARod would hang around him, steroids or no, is just baffling. Baseball players can be really, really dumb…

      • Rich M.

        I believe one of the articles I read on this today said that Presinal was the trainer for the D.R. WBC team in the last tourney.

  • YankeeScribe

    From the Daily News article, it seems that the only thing linking Presinal to steroids is the allegation that in 2001, an unattended gym bag full of steroids belonged to him. Presinal said it belonged to outed steroid abuser, Juan Gonzalez.

    Have there been any other allegations linking Presinal to steroids since 2001? If not, I think the Daily News is jumping the gun once again. All Presinal may be guilty of was carrying Juan Gonzalez’s gym bag.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

      That’s what I’m thinking. The two latest claims to come out about A-Rod are specious at best. Ben addressed the legality issue in the post, and you hit the other issue here.

      • AndrewYF

        The thing that grabs me is that Presinal AND A-Rod’s cousin were basically by his side the entire 2007 season. And this cousin of his is pretty much his driver.

        • YankeeScribe

          We’ll have to wait and see what comes out of the investigation. As of now, it seems like the Daily News is eager to get the latest major scoop on ARod but so far this scoop looks like they’re making a mountin out of a molehill. Even if Presinal and ARod are the best of friends, Presinal’s links to steroids look pretty flimsy…

      • Ryan S.

        Wait…so this might just be more sensationalist bullshit from the media? Its relieving and despicable at the same time.

    • Observer283

      Excellent point.

      Furthermore, I think we have to find out what the deal is with all of the other people on this list who have been around him. Granted, there is and should be more suspicion around A-Rod because we know he used. But, if so many other guys who we believe to be clean were around him, there is a chance that A-Rod’s relationship with him was on the up and up.

      Until we know for sure that this guy was a steroid dealer and not just a bag holder, we can’t conclude that A-Rod used post-2003 because he was around his guy.

      But if it comes out that this guy was still dealing roids at least through ’07, it’d be pretty damning circumstantial evidence that A-Rod was meeting with him privately.

  • jsbrendog

    THIS JUST IN!1!1 A-ROD HAS A CAR MADE BY THE SAME CAR MANUFACTURER AS BARRY BONDS!!!11!1!11

    but seriously…this could be a big deal….if the guy didnt help 65% of dominican ballp[layers AND work with olympic volleyball teams, international soccer teams etc etc etc.

    LAME!!!!

  • Tom Zig

    Nice work changing the unread comment square to the Yankee symbol. I was confused at first, but I figured it out.

    But yeah I am beginning to wonder if this wild goose chase will ever end. I still like and support A-rod, but seriously if the world is going to fry A-rod, can there at least be 103 names to fry with him? Hopefully some of those names are Boston players.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Nice work changing the unread comment square to the Yankee symbol. I was confused at first, but I figured it out.

      Nice bonus: It forces Whitey14 to have themost awesomest insignia ever shoved in his face more frequently.

  • Chris

    As Pete Abe pointed out, ESPN had an article about Presinal in 2007. This included a list of his clients at the time including A-Rod. At least if they’re going to come up with sensationalist dirt on A-Rod, they could come up with something new.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=2763252

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      Did they? Ugh. Now I feel like I’ve taken for a ride by the Daily News for a change. If this is indeed old news, then it’s worthless, and I’d change my evaluation of it. I wonder about Marchand’s story though.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

        They couldn’t suspend Jay fucking Gibbons without a positive test. You think there’s a chance in hell they can do that to A-Rod? Hell no. No positive test = no suspension.

    • http://evilempire20.com/ Ryan S.

      Aaaaaaand the media’s BS gets even smellier.

  • Frank

    The hits just keep on coming with this whole A-Rod steroid scandal. And like someone already said, it’s going to get worse before it get’s better. Just think- we still have Selena Roberts’ tell all book to look forward to in April which reportedly has much more trash about A-Rod. Can’t help but feel Cashman and company have to be pissed all this didn’t come out last winter. No matter how you spin this, I don’t see this ending well for the Yanks.

    • jsbrendog

      unless there is any more steroid use or beating up his wife or hookers then i dont think the book qwill be abig deal. ARODS A PHONE AROD SLEEPS AROUND ARODS A HUMAN BEING.

      who the fuck cares….that book will be about arod the guy, not arod the ballplayer….i hope

    • http://evilempire20.com/ Ryan S.

      As long as none of this rubbish leads to Rodriguez getting suspended, none of it is TOO big of a deal for the team as a whole in the long run. Is a big PR hit? Sure, but its still nothing the Yankees can’t shrug off with a successful 2009 campaign.

  • http://bigbluepinstripes.blogspot.com/ LB

    This stinks

  • Bo

    The Daily News is obsessed with steroids. Maybe they should check their circulation #’s to see that people don’t care.

    • http://evilempire20.com/ Ryan S.

      That really is the only way to get the media to STFU…just don’t look. Much like how Springfield was able to defeat all those animated signs/statues in that Treehouse of Horror episode.

  • Phrancis

    Yankees should just suspend A-ROD for good (with pay).He had a chance to put everything to rest last tuesday, and all he does is create more holes in his story. As a Yankee fan its just impossible to support this guy.

    • Rob in CT

      Yeah, that’s what they should do! Suspend their best player and pay him ~$30MM/yr. to do nothing.

      Absolutely brilliant.

    • http://Ranger2709.blogspot.com Old Ranger

      If you don’t support A-Rod, so what! There are many who will support him in your place. Do what you think is right.
      One thing to keep in mind though; 2004 til 2009 he has been clean and tested often. Trying to recall what one has done 6 years ago and in what order one did them, is very touchy. I know I get confused often, so why jump all over someone that may have mixed up the dates of somethings?
      Besides that, who are we, to demand that anyone come clean with us and document everything he did and explain it to us? We are not judges, last time I checked, people have been giving a person the so called “2nd Chance”…why not A-Rod?
      Just a thought, or a few thoughts!

  • Matt ’09

    At this point, how can you believe anything that ARod says at this point? If he came out and said the sky was blue, I might have to go outside and check it for myself…

  • Rich M.

    Looks like the daily news likes to jump to conclusions

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related

  • http://voicedup.blogspot.com/ thevoice@voicedup.com

    Steroids…squeeze the juice head athletes dry
    This is getting ridiculous, the front and back page of every other newspaper is dedicating reporting on steroid abuse in professional sports. Is this the only thing that’s important in this world? Want to eradicate steroids? There is a very simple solution to this madness and here is my three step proposal:

    -Drug test each player in their respective league once every month. One test for steroids and one test for a cover up substance. Professional sports is a multi billion dollar business, the excuse of “it costs too much” should be a non issue. The cost of testing can be split between the league the team and the player. In all seriousness each party can afford this expense, players get paid millions, their team reap profits and the leagues make money, where exactly is the problem?

    -Set a strict punishment on positive test results. Either a life time ban on any positive test or if some of you think this is too harsh a second chance may be given after the player is suspended for a minimum of a year. Test positive again, sayonara!

    -Suspend the contracts of the player testing positive, this means as they serve their suspension they do not receive a paycheck! If a lifetime ban is enforced, get a real job. Lets see how many players are willing to forgo multimillion dollar contracts to hit a ball deeper or run a faster 40 yard dash or jump higher.

    Recently I’ve read in newspapers and heard a lot of people express a sincere concern “we want to see home runs and faster athletes and higher leapers”. Is there not someone else right behind the Barry Bonds and A-roids that your attention would have been on if this tool did not decide to enlarge their head to the size of a watermelon? And to top it off lie in court about it. Ummmm Albert Pujols comes to mind for me but that’s for you readers to decide I’m not really big into baseball. The bottom line is if you remove each player that admitted to using steroids from their sport the person right behind them that got robbed of their award would have been your hero and they would have been on the back page chasing records.

    As a final thought…..who cares if steroids are legal outside our borders, another country is not responsible for A-roids decision to inject himself with the “farmacia” special of the week. We should not look to other countries to change their stance on drugs due to our blindsided negligence. Athletes should step up to the plate and accept their punishment. Foreign countries should not be concerned on how to collaborate with the Unites States in their steroid dilemma among our multimillion dollar crybabies or athletes if you choose to call them that. When you get paid millions to prance around playing with balls the least you could do is follow the minimum they ask of you.
    thevoice@voicedup.com /http://voicedup.blogspot.com/

  • mustang

    The sad part about all this is that story like this well be coming up all year.
    I’m so tried of the whole thing already and I don’t think its even been a month.
    The season can’t start fast enough.

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  • jake

    anyone think of just trading him while paying a whole bunch of his salary? let him play out this year and then get rid of him, teams don’t need an all star at every position to win, tex CC and AJ put them over the top, way over.

    just a thought I hope we win I just feel dirty letting ARod get a ring

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