Camden Depot’s Top 20 Yankees Prospects

Jorge has a big day
Reports from camp

The crew over at Camden Depot (an O’s blog, obviously) posted their list of the Yanks’ top twenty prospects, starting with Austin Jackson and Jesus Montero on the 1-2 spots. Everyone has their own preferences when it comes to ranking prospects, and it’s pretty easy to see that the guys at C-Dep like upside. I’m putting the finishing touches on my Top 30 list (which will be posted Friday), and just for comparison’s sake, there’s four players in their Top 20 that didn’t crack my Top 30. Check it out. (h/t MJ for the email)

Jorge has a big day
Reports from camp
  • A.D.

    My guess

    Sosa
    Phelps
    Joseph
    Aceves

    Not in Mike’s top 30

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      3 for 4

  • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

    …and just for comparison’s sake, there’s four players in their Top 20 that didn’t crack my Top 30.

    Lemme guess: Eduardo Sosa, David Phelps, Corban Joseph, and David Adams.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      You too, 3 for 4.

      • K.B.D.

        Kanekoa Teixera?

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          There we are.

  • K.B.D.

    The first 5 profiles use either the word “fringe” or some variation thereof so much I think my brain is going to explode. This guys vocabulary is fringy at best.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      His post does not have ridiculous upside.

  • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

    I was reading through that prospect list again and started dreaming of a rotation one day of 6’7” CC Sabathia, 6’7” Dellin Betances, 6’6” Zach McAllister, 6’10” Andrew Brackman, and runt of the litter, Lil’ Joba Chamberlain.

    Heh.

    • Andy In Sunny Daytona

      I thought Dellin was 6’9″ though?

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Depends on where you read. Camden Depot here lists Betances at 6’7″ and McAllister at 6’6″; Fangraphs has them at 6’8″ and 6’5″ respectively; B-R.com is mum on the topic (both heights and weights listed as N/A).

        • UWS

          How tall is Joba?

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            6’2″.

            (although, he’s 6’2″ 230… Betances may have half a foot on him, but Joba’s got about 30-40 pounds on Dellin, fwiw)

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

              If Joba’s 6’2″, then Randy Johnson is 6’4″. Joba’s at least 6’4″, 6’5″. I saw him four years ago at a bar in Omaha (was their for the CWS) and had a good six inches on me, easy.

              • Reggie C.

                Joba isn’t listed anywhere at 6’4″. Could be that you were too hammered to accurately assess Joba’s height.

              • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                If Joba’s 6?2?, then Randy Johnson is 6?4?. Joba’s at least 6?4?, 6?5?. I saw him four years ago at a bar in Omaha (was their for the CWS) and had a good six inches on me, easy.

                I’ve been in Joba’s presence on a few occasions. He’s 6’2”.

                I’m 6’1”, and I don’t look up to him, we’re eye to eye.

              • steve (different one)

                how many drinks had you had?

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Mike had had so many drinks, he contemplated doing Selena Roberts.

            • Ryan S.

              Don’t forget Joba is going to be carrying the extra weight of at least a couple WS rings by the time guys like Betances are starting for us.

        • Andy In Sunny Daytona

          Mike’s favorite, Pinstripes Plus, has him listed at 6’9″. So I always go with Mike’s Boys. haha

    • A.D.

      Joba runs the point

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Joba Chamberlain = Khalid El-Amin

    • Spaceman.Spiff

      PG- Joba Chamberlain
      SG-Zach McAllister
      SF-Dellin Betances
      PF-CC Sabathia
      C-Andrew Brackman

      If the MLB had “intramural” basketball just for starting pitchers, we’d probably win.

  • Reggie C.

    Future Hall of Fame closer Matt Bush picked up by the Blue Jays.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      F#$%IN EAST COUNTY, BITCHES!!!

  • pat

    Maybe I’m guilty of overhyping hometown prospects but don’t they seem very pessimistic? Not one impact player in our top 30? Errbodys gonna be a 3rd or 4th starter I guess. Or a career minor league 1b. And how ecactly is a plus plus curve fringe?

  • pat

    And no mention of laird or suttle.

    • Reggie C.

      bradley suttle’s a real prospect. alot better than most of the relief arms on that list. its as if going to college is a crime or something against your prospect star. i hope suttle’s athleticism gives him a shot at being a utility type. he’s a good bet to advance quick.

      • pat

        Word, I like suttle too. With the corner IF positions locked up for 8 yrs I think he’d be a good candidate to move to left or right. I like laird too, big stick good obp skillz. They’re just so far away it’s tough to predict the future.

        • pat

          I take that back actually lairds obp is solid but not spectacular. I looked at his slg, that would be a pretty badass on base percentage.

  • pete

    anybody else see Montero in RF? He’s supposed to have a great arm, just poor footwork and transfer technique. I think we should keep him at C until we can’t, but if we can’t, he may be the answer in right. If all reach their ceilings, an outfield of Jackson in left, Gardner in center, and Montero in right could be a very good all-around outfield, though they’re obviously not all going to reach their ceilings.

    • steve (different one)

      of Jackson in CF and any average FA LFer who can hit better than Gardner…

      don’t see much point in playing Jackson LF just to keep Gardner in the lineup.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Can he really be a corner outfielder, though, with no speed? He’d be like bizarro Bobby Abreu: he may not be afraid of the wall, but he’d never be able to actually make it to the wall in time to make a play. I have yet to hear someone say that running is remotely Montero’s strong suit, and while we all love killer outfield arms, range is much more important than arm strength.

      It’s not a conversion that’s made all that often.

      • jsbrendog

        kid’s got a great arm? bullpen. 8th inning. sign me up. teach him a change

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          It’s the only inning that counts… I’m on board. Stop screwing around trying to make him an elite catcher and FOCUS ON WHAT’S IMPORTANT, PEOPLE!!!!

      • Reggie C.

        Don’t know if the comparison holds but Adam Dunn is a 240 pound guy who plays mediocre D as a corner OF. Dunn doesn’t add defensive value, but does he KILL the team out there?? I dont think so. Maybe … maybe Montero can make the transition, but he’ll have to start playing OF right now.

        • A.D.

          And to think Dunn was a big time college QB recruit

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            And to think Drew Henson was a big time college QB.

            • jsbrendog

              ietc

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Good point, but if Montero is going to be an Adam Dunn-style trainwreck of a defensive corner outfielder, why not just leave him at catcher? If he’s just as bad a defender in the outfield, keep his ultra-premium bat behind the plate (where it’s truly ultra-premium) and go sign some other outfielder who provides both offensive and defensive value.

          • Reggie C.

            Don’t you know TSJC? Joe Mauer’s already wearing pinstripes…he just dont know it.

            Seriously. Your right. If he’s going to be a bad defensive player regardless of where he is on the diamond, let it be at the catcher position. wait… really?

            • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              Yeah, I’m not holding my breath on the Mauer thing. Don’t see it happening, just my hunch.

              And yeah, if he’s going to be bad defensively, I’d leave him behind the plate rather than put him in LF/RF, because if we’re talking about a guy who’s going to rake offensively but add no value defensively, at least he’s going to add that offensive value at a premium position where ANY value (either offense OR defense) is hard to come by. At the catcher position, it’s basically Montero or pray for Mauer. In the corner OF, there’s oodles of guys who can provide positive net value.

              It’s kinda like Derek Jeter: yeah, he’s bad defensively, but (in his prime) he adds so much value offensively at a position that’s normally an offensive black hole that he makes up for it, and while you’d prefer putting in a player who’s good both offensively and defensively in his vital defensive position and move his bat somewhere else, there’s just not really other shortstops out there who will really be a suitable upgrade, because they’re all so vastly inferior at the plate.

              I see Montero as Victor Martinez or Mike Piazza: not good defensive catchers, probably even liabilities, but at least capable of catching for a full season and thus, totally worth their defensive shortcomings due to their middle of the order bats.

              (And, if we’re honest with ourselves, we can say the same thing about Jorge. His defense has never been his calling card.)

              • MattG

                Capable is the key word here. Must have capable…not culpable.

              • Yankeegirl49

                We really see eye to eye…until I saw your last paragraph I was going to say “big deal, we have lived with a so so defensive catcher for years”

              • Reggie C.

                Its a compelling argument. I’d love to see Montero handle the position in ’09. He’s a year closer to the bigs and unfortunately we don’t know if he’ll even be able to match the low defensive standards Posada set. If Montero’s bat is going to control his rate of ascent through the farm, then by the end of ’09, we’re gonna need answers on how he calls games, blocks bad off-speed stuff, etc…

        • MattG

          You know, he might be killing the team. He, Abreu, and Ramirez: still not signed. Burrell signed as a DH. If you’re a sucky corner outfielder, and you don’t have pictures of Pat Gillick on the road, you don’t have a contract.

          Plenty of analysts are saying defensive metrics are significant part of the issue.

          • Reggie C.

            Good point on Dunn though he’s still standing firm on demanding a multi-year deal. I think age and contract demands are more the issue with Abreu and Ramirez.

            If Abreu and Manny were Dunn’s current age, both guys would’ve been signed to huge long-term contracts regardless of offensive defensive metrics.

  • Sweet Dick Willie

    No love for Angellini?

    • A.D.

      He’s not going to get much love from any non-yankee blogs after last season

      • http://yankeesmtom.com Steven

        Here isn’t any reason for any Yankee blogs to give him love. He was consistantly awful all year long.