Feb
18

Cashman really doesn’t like A-Rod right now

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Check out this quote from Brian Cashman following yesterday’s A-Rod press conference (via PeteAbe): “We’ve invested in him as an asset. And because of that, this is an asset that is going through a crisis. So we’ll do everything we can to protect that asset and support that asset and try to salvage that asset.” Salvage that asset? Sheesh, he makes it sound like Alex is an unproductive player with a franchise crippling albatross contract. That’s straight up cold blooded, yo.

Update by Ben (11:14 a.m.): The Artist Formerly Known as Steve sends us this Reuters article with more less-than-glowing quotes from Cashman. “The one thing he could have said was the fact he chose to do this to make himself better … at what he does on the baseball field,” Cashman said. “That’s the truth. I don’t think Alex is very good at communicating … whether it’s about talking about your game and the impact you had on it after hitting a home run or if he had a tough game at the park, let the team down. Anybody that’s been in that clubhouse when he’s trying to talk about success or failure on the baseball diamond knows that is something he is not very good at.” Ouch.

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  • steve (different one)

    FWIW, he called both Hughes and Melky “assets” last winter when discussing not trading for Santana. it’s just his word.

    but…..there are other Cashman quotes (see NoMaas) that indicate that yes, he’s pretty pissed at Alex.

  • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

    I think it’s a pretty understandable reaction from Cashman. I think even the most fanboyish A-Rod fan can admit that it must be a little tough for Cashman to deal with this guy and the circus that follows him around. It can’t be easy to consistently support a man who is dishonest with you and can’t stop putting his foot into his mouth with the press. A-Rod exhausts me and I’m just a fan, I’m sure Cashman is beyond frustrated with him.

    • steve (different one)

      yup.

      Cashman is frustrated b/c he just had a kickass winter and brought in 4 new VERY exciting players, and THEY should be the story on the first day of spring training.

      it is frustrating.

      hopefully Alex hits 45 bombs this year and next winter we’re arguing over whether or not AJAX’s 75 kickass ABs in September proved he was ready to be handed CF full-time or not….

      • RCK

        “and next winter we’re arguing over whether or not AJAX’s 75 kickass ABs in September proved he was ready to be handed CF full-time or not….”

        You mean in between toasting our WS win, right?

  • Mike

    I’m really looking forward to when A-Rod hits that go-ahead hr in the 8th inning at Fenway in the midst of a chorus of boos and steroid chants.

    • jsbrendog

      then you wake up and realize you’re 3 hours late for work.

      • usty

        Yeah, I must’ve dreamed that 9th inning HR in Fenway off papelsuck too right?

        • Chris

          Of course. All of A-Rods home runs and RBIs come with no one one and when the team loses.

          • RCK

            Oh, come on. How can you forget the ones he hits when no one is on and the team is already up by fourteen runs?

            • Chris

              You’re right. That’s when he hits all his 2-run and 3-run home runs.

            • rbizzler

              It is easy to forget them because they don’t count. Right?

              • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                Exactly right. I’m not positive on this, but I’m pretty sure ARod has never hit a homer in the 8th inning, the only inning that counts.

  • A.D.

    I don’t blame Cashman for being pissed, he spends all winter wheeling and dealing to build the team into a juggernaut and then a week before spring training this bomb comes out.

    • Chris C.

      “I don’t blame Cashman for being pissed, he spends all winter wheeling and dealing”

      LMAO!!!! Wheeling and dealing? There was no wheeling, and no dealing. Just a short bald guy with transitional specs and a suit not sharp enough for a guy with his income outbidding everyone else, including himself, for the services of the three top rated free agents. I don’t recall Cashman “wheeling” any bargains, do you?

      Steinbrenner is Daddy Warbucks, and Cashman is Annie.

      If you had 90 million bucks in payroll you could add for the 2009 season alone, you’d have to be a complete moron to not come out smelling like a rose!

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        I recall Cashman trading three pieces of flotsam and jetsam for Nick Swisher and Kanekoa Texeira. That was a steal. I also recall him stealing away Mark Teixeira from our archrivals who desperately needed him, strengthening us and weakening them at the same time. And I recall him convincing CC Sabathia to come here even though he preferred to go elsewhere.

        You may think that Cashman having a large budget means that his job is easy, that he can just outbid everybody else and build the fantasy team he wants. The other side of that coin is that since he does have a large budget, he’s EXPECTED to outbid everybody else and build a team that IS MARKEDLY better than everyone else’s. His job as a GM is just as hard as that of other GM’s, it’s just different. He has a larger budget but also larger expectations. He can’t make excuses like other clubs can for failing to make the team better.

        Your anti-Cashman tirades are tiresome.

        • Chris C.

          “I recall Cashman trading three pieces of flotsam and jetsam for Nick Swisher and Kanekoa Texeira.”

          Big deal, and big deal. If Swisher’s so valuable, why is he on the block? And Kenekoa Texeira is already a steal? What’s he done for the Yankees to be a steal?

          “That was a steal. I also recall him stealing away Mark Teixeira from our archrivals who desperately needed him”

          He bought Teixeira. He didn’t steal him. Teixeira was not staying on the West Coast, and was not playing for the crappy O’s or Nats. So it was a two horse race. All the Yankees did was tell Teixera’s agent, “let me know when you’re ready to decide, then call us so we can top everyone’s offers. And that’s exactly what happened.

          “And I recall him convincing CC Sabathia to come here even though he preferred to go elsewhere.”

          Yeah, money is a great convincer. Nobody else even came close to the Yankees offer, so let’s not pretend that psychology or the fact that Cashman showed up in his living room were deal-makers here.

          “You may think that Cashman having a large budget means that his job is easy, that he can just outbid everybody else and build the fantasy team he wants.”

          Oh, he can’t? Silly me. What was I thinking……they missed out on Derek Lowe.

          “The other side of that coin is that since he does have a large budget, he’s EXPECTED to outbid everybody else and build a team that IS MARKEDLY better than everyone else’s.”

          ………which he hasn’t done in 8 years, but go on……

          . His job as a GM is just as hard as that of other GM’s, it’s just different.

          His job is difficult because he has to deal with tools like Hank Steinbrenner, Randy Levine, and whomever else these clowns decide should have input into player moves. But Cashman knows this, and he signed on for it…..TWICE! And if he was dumb enough to ink a contract that allows them to interfere with the job he’s doing, when he had complete autonomy offers elsewhere, that’s his problem.
          So the team is old, slow, unfundamentally sound, has a bad manager, an unbalanced minor league system with no position players, and a terrible draft record. That’s on Cashman.

          He has a larger budget but also larger expectations.

          Dude, the only way the Yankees have been operating to improve the past 6-8 years is outbidding everyone for the top available free agents. I don’t care how much money is available to spend, there’s been no real science to how they’ve been operating. Then when those deals run out, they do it again. Then you bring up Nick Swisher to show how cagey Cashman is???

      • jsbrendog
  • Todd

    Yeah, but where are the quotes where Cash repeatedly referred to Arod as part of the “family.” But that simply is not a story…

    • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      You’re right, it’s not. When the GM of the New York Yankees is supportive of a player, that’s to be expected (and, thus, is not really all that newsworthy). When the GM of the New York Yankees says things that can be interpreted as less than optimally supportive of a player, that’s not to be expected and is a story. Especially when such player is an extremely polarizing and, compared with his talent/ability, relatively unpopular player in the middle of a shitstorm of a controversy.

  • Rich

    According to all reports, Cashman didn’t want to re-sign A-Rod after he opted out, yet some of the Cashman haters are now blaming him for A-Rod’s contract. In reality, I would think that Cash’s power base has been strengthened in the eyes of the Steinbrenners for having held a position that may well have avoided this situation for the Yankees if it had been followed.

    That said, Cash does sometimes speak in dispassionate terms like “asset” about players.

    • Frank

      I agree he (Cashman) must feel somewhat vindicated since he was opposed to re-signing A-Rod.

      The bottom line is this is going to be one, continuous distraction which isn’t going away. How this effects the team is the million dollor question.

      • http://www.styleforum.net Jeremy Brown

        more like the 300 million dollar question.

    • jsbrendog

      According to all reports, Cashman didn’t want to re-sign A-Rod after he opted out, yet some of the Cashman haters are now blaming him for A-Rod’s contract
      exactly. cashman haters are like b-jobbers. no base in rreality and just completely not worth conversing with.

      i made a fucking chart of cashman’s trade history off the spreadsheet from mlbtr and showed a friend how even a deal he made that didnt work out turned into something better down the road. (disclaimer: “not wokring out” is totally subjective and to a cash hater means the pticher didnt win the cy young or the player didnt win the triple crown)

      and their final response?

      “dude, cashman sucks balls”

      • Rich

        They also fail to take into account how much better this team would have been if Cashman had been able to sign Beltran and Vlad instead of Randy Johnson and Sheffiled, as he had wanted to do, or that if he had control over the draft prior to ’06, high caliber pitching prospect may have been in the pipeline that would have obviated the need to sign Pavano and trade for Weaver and Brown.

        • jsbrendog

          point and counterpoint.

          jane you ignorant slut.

          haha, oh snl, why are you so terminaly unfunny now

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside
            • Jack

              I enjoyed Wikipedia’s “summary” of it.

              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I%27m_on_a_Boat

            • jsbrendog

              stupid corporate web filter blockin hulu

              • Joe R

                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRaU0GMheMc

                Hit the deck, but stay on your toes. Love this song.

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  I got my swim trunks/
                  And my flippie-floppies/
                  I’m flippin burgers/
                  You at Kinko’s flippin copies/

                • Joe R

                  I’m the king of the world/
                  On a boat like Leo/
                  If you on the sho/
                  Then you sho not meo/

                • Doug

                  NEVER THOUGHT THAT I’D SEE THE DAY
                  WHEN A BIG BOAT’S COMING MY WAY
                  BELIEVE ME WHEN I SAYYYY
                  I FUCKED A MERMAID

      • Chris C.

        i made a fucking chart of cashman’s trade history off the spreadsheet from mlbtr and showed a friend how even a deal he made that didnt work out turned into something better down the road. (disclaimer: “not wokring out” is totally subjective and to a cash hater means the pticher didnt win the cy young or the player didnt win the triple crown)

        and their final response?

        “dude, cashman sucks balls”

        Well, that’s Cashman’s fucking problem, and he’s gonna have to deal with it. He’s the same guy who sells his soul every time his contract runs out, instead of going elsewhere and gaining full autonomy of baseball operations.
        He knows damn well what goes on around here, and how he becomes the fall guy for all moves that are bad, and the gems are credited to the Steinbrenner family. He knows full well that his dream of building from within is not the modus operandi of the NY Yankees.

        Oh, he didn’t want AROD back, but Hank and Randy Levine are the ones who gave him the ridiculous contract? Tough shit, pal. It hapened on his watch, and HE is the General Manager.

        If he’s so sick and tired of being overruled and stepped on, he’d have gone elsewhere to take all the credit and blame for player personell moves, instead of going for the money-grab as the highest paid puppet in the sport.

        Brian Cashman decided that is was worth it to take lots and lots of money………in exchange, he will always be the guy who “sucks balls” when they miss the playoffs!

        • Chris

          So because Cashman works for a bunch of idiots that couldn’t identify baseball talent if it hit them in the face, that means he sucks balls?

          I would hope that we can be more intelligent and reasoned about our assessment of Cashman than that. In this instance, the point is that Cashman has been able to make lemonade out of the lemons he’s been handed. For example, he wasn’t in favor of Randy Johnson, but after that experiment, he was still able to trade him for Luis Vizcaino, Alberto Gonzalez, Ross Ohlendorf, and Steven Jackson. That’s not a bad haul.

          If you want to evaluate him correctly, you should ask who would do a better job in that situation. I honestly can’t think of anyone. (And don’t give me the Theo Epstein line – he walked out in a gorilla suit when the office politics got too tough for him)

          • Whitey14

            “(And don’t give me the Theo Epstein line – he walked out in a gorilla suit when the office politics got too tough for him)”

            He set the policy that he would not discuss potential trades or free agent signings until they happened. Larry Lucchino routinely undermined him by blabbing to the media as he is a glory hound and Theo stuck to his principles. It was clear who Henry felt was more important as he brought Epstein back and shut Lucchino up, thankfully. Also, as I’m sure you’ll recall, the night he left Fenway in a Gorilla suit was Halloween.

            “I would hope that we can be more intelligent and reasoned about our assessment of” Epstein “than that”

          • Chris C.

            the point is that Cashman has been able to make lemonade out of the lemons he’s been handed.

            Oh, now the Yankees are lemons, and Cashman was resonsible for none of it, huh? Maybe if he exercised a little more patience in Ted Lilly instead of bringing over Bonghits Weaver, there wouldn’t have been a dire need for Randy Johnson. It was Cashman’s constant neglect of the staff over the years that created a need to take a chance on lemons like Johnson, Wright, Weaver, and Brown. And there was certainly nothing impressive coming from the farm. Phil Hughes became their top prospect the day he was drafted!

            “(And don’t give me the Theo Epstein line – he walked out in a gorilla suit when the office politics got too tough for him)”

            Yeah, imagine a GM who wins a WS getting upset when a bunch of empty suits step in and try to do his job? I mean geez, what does this guy have, pride or something? Bill Parcels would never leave if the owner of the team wanted to step on his toes.

            “For example, he wasn’t in favor of Randy Johnson, but after that experiment, he was still able to trade him for Luis Vizcaino, Alberto Gonzalez, Ross Ohlendorf, and Steven Jackson. That’s not a bad haul.”

            It’s also important to note that Cashman insisted on the D-/Backs taking Robinson Cano and Dioneer Navarro when they got Johnson. Thankfully, Arizona was slightly dumber than him that day, and insisted on getting Brad Halsey instead of Cano.

          • Chris C.

            :”So because Cashman works for a bunch of idiots that couldn’t identify baseball talent if it hit them in the face, that means he sucks balls?”

            Yes. You’d better believe it. And if you don’t, go ask any other highly successful General Manager in any sport if they got successful because they chose to work for a “bunch of idiots”.

            You know what a “bunch of idiots” will do to you? They’ll stel all the credit that YOU rightfully deserve, and leave you with all the blame when things don’t work out.

            They tried to do that to Gene Michael, but Yankee fans were way too smart for that. So now they’re trying to do it to Cashman, by having punks like Hank Steinbrenner and Randy Levine sticking their mugs and quote in the paper every time a Sabathia is inked.

            If CC wins the Cy, pat Hank on the back.
            If he goes on the DL, it’s Cashman’s fault.

            This is what Cashman signed up for. Being a Yankee GM is only a thankless job if you don’t have the balls to leave when there are other opportunities out there.

        • steve (different one)

          If he’s so sick and tired of being overruled and stepped on, he’d have gone elsewhere to take all the credit and blame for player personell moves, instead of going for the money-grab as the highest paid puppet in the sport.

          this would be a decent point if it had anything to do with anything Cashman actually said.

          people are reading between the lines of what Cashman said (what he said was that Alex is a poor communicator, how is this shocking?) and interpreting it as Cashman saying that he is sorry that the Steinbrenners stuck him with A-Rod.

          and now you, in turn, are ripping him for that.

          except he never actually said any of that….

          but please, tell us more about how he wears glasses and poorly fitting suits.

          • Chris C.

            “people are reading between the lines of what Cashman said (what he said was that Alex is a poor communicator, how is this shocking?) and interpreting it as Cashman saying that he is sorry that the Steinbrenners stuck him with A-Rod.

            and now you, in turn, are ripping him for that.”

            I don’t disagree with anything Cashman said regarding AROD. In fact, I agree with everything he said.
            What I said was in response to Cashman’s “wheeling and dealing” this past offseason. Try to keep things in the correct context.

        • jsbrendog

          Well, that’s Cashman’s fucking problem, and he’s gonna have to deal with it.

          Thank you for proving my point. and i didnt even have to pay you.

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Usually you pay double for that kind of action, Cotton.

    • Chris C.

      “According to all reports, Cashman didn’t want to re-sign A-Rod after he opted out, yet some of the Cashman haters are now blaming him for A-Rod’s contract.”

      I blame Cashman for sticking around and continually getting his toes trampled, when he TWICE could have bolted for a situation where he had total control of all baseball moves. Then he has the nerve to whine about how unappreciated he is and how he had a major role in the championships, and blah, blah, blah. If you’re the GM, and upper management is making bad baseball moves on your watch, you have two choices: You can leave, or you can stay and take responsibility for everything that goes on during your time.
      Theo Epstein didn’t put up with that nonsense, so why does Brian Cashman?

  • WhizzoTheWize

    Love Alex. Be pissed at Alex. Who cares?

    Alex goes .320/.400/.600/40/100+/100+ (through the playoffs) and nobody cares.

    • E. Aron

      Idk where those “playoffs” numbers came from. Hasn’t happened yet.

      9 more years of this circus.

      Anyone else miss when the Yanks played defense and had great pitching?

      • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        “Anyone else miss when the Yanks played defense and had great pitching?”

        Of course. But, in case you haven’t noticed, the pitching staff might be pretty good this season and the defense should be improved from 2008. And the quoted statement has nothing to do with A-Rod or Cashman’s reaction to the latest A-Rod controversy.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Speaking of bad defense, did you catch this?

          http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs.....fense-ever

          2006 Yankees – Worst. Defense. Ever.

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Whoops, sorry.

            2006 2005 Yankees – Worst. Defense. Ever.

          • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

            Thanks. That was pleasant.

            (dry heaves)

          • I Remember Celerino Sanchez

            I think the memory of watching Matsui-Bernie-Sheffield in the outfield (and Sheffield running into Crosby in the playoffs) is why I’m fine with the Yanks starting the season with Gardner in center. At least he can play the hell out of the position.

            • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              (nods head)

        • Chris C.

          Of course. But, in case you haven’t noticed, the pitching staff might be pretty good this season and the defense should be improved from 2008.

          Teixeira. There’s your improvement on defense.
          They take a step back behind the plate, and remain pretty much the same in the outfield, unless Gardner stays in center all season. Then that would be an improvement.

          The pitching staff should be phenominal this season.

  • rbizzler

    Cash just seems plain old disgusted by the whole thing. On top of the fact that Alex has made his job more difficult, he also has hurt the brand. The organization spends a lot of time and energy crafting the Yankee image and the players are the main commodity that they have to sell. Alex’s behavior has taken the attention off of the 400 million they invested this off-season and placed it solely on himself.

    Personally, I would rather see a feature on CC, or Tex, or AJ or Swish, or the batboy before I have to hear about steroids again.

  • http://bigbluepinstripes.blogspot.com/ LB

    I have no problem with what Cashman said. Can’t blame him for feeling that way.

  • Andy In Sunny Daytona

    I actually don’t like to read much from Pete Abe when it comes to A-Rod. He seems to have some kind of vendetta against him. I’m OK with most of his stuff, just not things pertaining to Alex. Here are all of Cashman’s quotes, not just a cherry-picked few.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=mlb

    • rbizzler

      Agreed, PeteAbe really pissed me off yesterday with all of his sanctimony. It seems like he can’t get past Alex’s arrogance. So Pete, and the rest of the media (Jayson Stark has an unhealthy amount of venom aimed at Alex right now), want to parse out every word the guys says. They won’t be happy until Alex is in front of Congress or a grand jury and has to risk jail time or tell the ‘truth’ they are looking to hear (ie full disclosure).

      • Chris C.

        “Agreed, PeteAbe really pissed me off yesterday with all of his sanctimony. It seems like he can’t get past Alex’s arrogance.”

        I can’t either. That’s what makes this whole steroid incident with him so beautiful. Now I don’t have to get past his arrogance……..I can be stuck on the fact that he’s a lying cheat!

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          I can’t wait for your head to explode when we win the World Series this year and it’s all due to ARod plus CC, Swisher, Joba, Hughes, and all the other guys Cashman brought to the Bronx.

          • Chris C.

            “I can’t wait for your head to explode when we win the World Series this year and it’s all due to ARod plus CC, Swisher, Joba, Hughes, and all the other guys Cashman brought to the Bronx.”

            Well, if it’s due to AROD, isn’t Cashman the guy who wanted him gone?
            Now, I would give Cashman all the credit in the world, but according to you guys, we must judge Cashman by cherrypicking the moves he makes, and the moves the brass makes, and seperating them.

            Therefore, AROD would not be his guy……..and he wasn’t even completely on board with bringing in Sabathia either.
            Swisher won’t even be starting, so let’s not go nuts over what his contributions will be. The Yankees may deal him for a box of cleats before spring is over.

    • Chris

      This quote has a much different tone from the bit that Pete reported:

      “He’s our player, he’s our player for a long time, for better or for worse. We will deal with it, we will accept it, we will take ownership of it. He’s been through so many controversial things, but he keeps fighting through it. I’ve seen a lot of things thrown at this guy and yet he goes out there and continues to fight through it and tune it out. It’s almost like between the lines is an area where he can find some peace. I can’t tell you that this isn’t going to adversely impact him as he moves forward. But if it does, it’s our job, especially his teammates’ job, to pick him up and help carry him through it. … We’ll be with him every day of the process. Every day, he’s got to know that there’s a ton of shoulders that he can lean on. He’s got to absolutely know that there’s a family here that needs him and wants him. That’s probably the best healthy dose of medicine that he can ever get.”

    • WhizzoTheWize

      PeteAbe + ARod = sanctimonious frothing asshattery

    • I Remember Celerino Sanchez

      I don’t have a probelm with PeteAbe’s reporting on A Rod.

      I think he doesn’t like the guy much, but I think his reporting/opining is all within the limits of fairness. I think there is such a blind love of A Rod among too many of my fellow Yankee fans, that the fact that Pete disagrees causes the A Rod legion to go after him. Don’t kill the messenger.

      • rbizzler

        I don’t have any ‘blind love for Alex, but I find Pete’s reporting to be distasteful. Alex has put forth more information about his PED use than all of the other big names combined. That is still not enough for the media who see Alex as arrogant and a fake.

        It is payback time for all of those moments when Alex was aloof and didn’t make their job easier for them. I understand why they are doing it, but I don’t have to enjoy it and I don’t find it particularly impressive that the media is now tearing down (another) idol that they were complicit in creating.

        • I Remember Celerino Sanchez

          I understand your point, but I don’t think it’s entirely fair.

          A Rod has been the most forthcoming because he had to be. He got caught and he saw what denying did for Bonds, Palmiero and Clemens (and what admission did for Giambi and Pettitte).

          The reporters are covering it because it’s a big story, not to get some kind of revenge.

          And to criticize A Rod’s performance yesterday is, in my opinion, accurate. Personally, I felt like A Rod was not honest yesterday. As I said downthread, I think he opened up more questions than he answered.

          • rbizzler

            Why all the venom? Why all the parsing of Alex’s words? Why the need for such a ridiculous amount of detail about his usage? No one else has been held to that standard.

            Could it be that they feel betrayed after they penned all of those columns about how Alex was going to be the ‘clean’ HR champ and Alex happily played along?

            • I Remember Celerino Sanchez

              I always describe myslef as cynical, but you, rbizzler, make me feel like a cock-eyed optimist.

              I just don’t buy your conspiracy theory.

              The bottom line is that a lot of people out there, including a lot of Yankee fans (I’m one), think the guy continues to do things that piss us off. If I got a job as a columnist today, with none of the direct negative experiences these wrtiers may or may not have had with A Rod, my column would look a lot like theirs.

              People who love and unconditionaly support A Rod have to understand that there are a lot of us out there that view him very differently. And some of those people are sports writers.

              • rbizzler

                You still never explained what you are so angry about.

                The floor is yours…

      • Andy In Sunny Daytona

        But the fact, in this case, is that he cherry-picked his quotes from Brian Cashman to support his position. I just find that practice unprofessional. I know that it happens all the time, but that doesn’t make it right.

  • Count Zero

    I can’t say I blame Cash.

    In general, I’m an A-Rod supporter and a fan of his. (I’m a supporter of anyone who puts up numbers like he does.) I don’t particularly care if he’s a nice guy, a sleaze, or an egomaniac — long as he puts up the numbers.

    But watching that press conference yesterday? Sorry, but I believed about 10% of it. It was awful. Even that whole “pause – thanks” thing struck me as transparently phony.

    Which is fine — damage control PR is what it is and it’s what I was expecting from him. But I sure wish he were a better actor…and I’m sure Cash was thinking the same thing.

    I can’t wait for some games so we can talk about something else.

    • Chris

      I don’t know what else he should have done.

      The problem with this situation is that there is no way for A-Rod to win. If he goes out there without prepared talking points and phrases, then he’ll sound genuine for most of the press conference, but he’ll say some stupid stuff. Maybe there’s an inconsistency, or maybe he forgets some detail. That’s normal in a situation like this, but the media would crush him for it. If he goes out with prepared talking points, then he sounds rehearsed, and the media will bash him for that.

      No matter what he does or how he sounds, people who want to think he’s lying will think he’s lying and people who want to think he’s telling the truth will think he’s telling the truth. There’s no way anyone will prove what actually happened 6 years ago, so everyone can spin it and believe what they want.

      • Nady Nation

        Even in his scripted answers, though, he still manages to lie. I pointed this out yesterday, but I think it just shows A-Rod’s lack of credibility, in terms of being truthful. He said with Gammons that his “neck injury” was in spring training of 2003. Yesterday, he said that same neck injury caused him to stop juicing, yet he acknowledged that he took steroids all throughout the 2003 season. It’s one thing if he just presented facts for people to believe or not believe. But when he blatantly lies within prepared statements, it’s hard to take anything he says seriously.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          But when he blatantly lies within prepared statements, it’s hard to take anything he says seriously.

          That’s why I don’t give a crap about what he says, I only give a crap about him playing baseball. We’re not paying him 300M to be a public speaker. We’re not paying him 300M to tell the truth to the press or the public. We’re paying him 300M to hit the baseball really hard. He does that. Hence, I’m happy.

          • Nady Nation

            Very understandable. I’m with you, I think he just needs to shut up and play baseball. I was only responding to the whole “A-Rod couldn’t win” theory. He could’ve just not lied within statements he prepared for over a week, that might’ve helped his cause at least a little in terms of believability and not getting murdered by the media. But in the end, as long as he puts up his usual numbers, fans won’t (and shouldn’t) care about his public speaking.

            • andrew

              I’m sure Arod would like to shut up and play baseball too…

              • Mike Pop

                He misses it.

          • WhizzoTheWize

            hit the ball. catch the ball. throw the ball.

      • Count Zero

        I don’t know what else he should have done.

        Taken some acting lessons first? ;-)

        I don’t disagree with anything you wrote — I just wish he had done a better job of selling his lines. Not for my sake — I really don’t care either way. There a lot of reasons why he had to say what he said and why it was scripted. But for his own sake, I wish he had been more believable.

        • rbizzler

          I agree, but the Lupica’s and Jayson Stark’s of the world were going to rip him regardless of what he said. He took ten days after the story broke to get his story straight and move forward with enough detail to explain his actions without bringing legal trouble upon himself. He admitted he cheated, told everyone what he did when he did it and how he got it, but that is still not enough.

          I can’t get over how ridiculous this has gotten. ESPN is an embarrassment with Mike Golic, an admitted steroid user, on radio and TV ripping a guy for using steroids. HA!

          • I Remember Celerino Sanchez

            “He admitted he cheated, told everyone what he did when he did it and how he got it, but that is still not enough.”

            The problem, rbizzler, is that what he said wasn’t credible. He didn’t admit to cheating (he says that is for others to judge), his time frame of when he did it isn’t consistent with the facts (when testing happened, when he got hurt, etc.), and, most of all, he didn’t explain how taking the one steroid resulted in a positive test for two steroids.

            Fans are free to feel: Who cares? A billion guys did steroids. Let’s move on. I get it.

            But to examine A Rod’s answers yesterday and say he did enough isn’t, in my opinion, correct. I think the presser did more damage than good, in some ways, since he opened up nearly as many questions as he answered.

            • rbizzler

              First off, you have no idea if he tested positive for testosterone. It is rumored that he did, but no one has seen official reports of such a test result. We only have Selena Roberts assertion that he did test positive.

              He did, in fact, admit to cheating. He admitted that he used a steroid, and that was/is cheating. He may not think that he cheated given the rules and culture of the time period in question, but he still admitted that he cheated. Even if he did not say those exact words.

              And sorry, but it is for others to judge. Some people don’t think that PED usage is cheating or a big deal, some people do. For every fan who slaps a scarlet ‘C’ on anyone linked to a PED scandal, I can point you to one who doesn’t think that usage is a big deal at all.

              • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                Agreed on all points.

              • I Remember Celerino Sanchez

                All you guys that are so hell bent on defending A Rod at all costs, I just don’t know what to say to you.

                The guy did this to himself. He was not at all believable yesterday.

                Most of all, I’m just happy I’m not the one that has to defend him.

                • rbizzler

                  I am not defending him, I just don’t care as much as you do. I think the guy cheated, along with hundreds of other athletes across all sports. To get worked up about one guy in one sport seems a bit ridiculous to me. But have at it, you are more than welcome to continue your fascination with Alex.

                  What I don’t get is your desire for a blow-by-blow account of Alex’s steroid usage. Why do you need that? Do you feel entitled to that information? Every last detail has to be accounted for before you can move on?

                  And, get over yourself. “Most of all, I’m just happy I’m not the one that has to defend him.” Please. Spare me the hyperbole, as if you have never made a mistake in your life. To paraphrase Johnny Damon, the dude took steroids, he is not an axe murderer.

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Most of us “defending” ARod aren’t saying that he’s truthful, or a good guy, or a great teammate, or blah blah blah.

                  We’re saying that none of this shit matters. And that none of it should matter. We’re not defending ARod, we’re taking issue with the frequency and vehemence of people taking issue with it. We’re not defending ARod, we’re saying that people picking apart ARod’s statements word by word are misguided, because none of this shit matters.

                  I’m not an ARod hater, I’m not an ARod lover. I love the Yankees. ARod is a part of the Yankees. He helps us win ballgames. That’s good enough for me. All the personal crap about Madonna, and steroids, and not being one of the guys and crap like that is superficial.

                  ARod helps us win ballgames. That’s the only real story. All the other stories are sensationalist garbage designed to appeal to emotion. I always choose logic over emotion, that’s my thing.

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  To paraphrase Johnny Damon, the dude took steroids, he is not an axe murderer.

                  Ty Cobb stabbed a guy.

                • I Remember Celerino Sanchez

                  I call foul, rbizzler, on several coutns.

                  First of all, I DON’T want to talk about A Rod. But when YOU (and others) defend the guy all over the blog, if I point out where I think you’re wrong, it’s not suddenly me wanting to talk about the guy.

                  Second, if he released a statement that said, “I said everything I’m going to say to Peter Gammons,” and that was it, then fine. But he went in front of the media yesterday, so it is entirely fair to assess whether he made sense. And I think he didn’t. I think he was vague and slippery on enough things that it opened more questions than it answered. By your theory, the fact that he chose to spoke means nobody can say anything about his answers. We have to take them as the word of god. Sorry, I don’t think so. I think he constructed a story that painted himself in the best light possible, and I didn’t buy it.

                  Third, when I said I was glad I wasn’t the one that had to defend him, you totally misunderstood what I meant. I didn’t mean that what he did was so awful. I meant that it takes so much blind love and blind devoition to defend a guy that can’t seem to tell the truth, and who has a habit of shooting himself in the foot again and again, I’m glad I don’t have to do that. I meant that he is a tough guy to defend, not that what he did was so horrible.

                • rbizzler

                  First off, no shit he tried to paint himself in the best light possible. What did you expect him to do? Hang his head in shame, void his contract, and retire on the spot?

                  He held the presser to provide information to people such as yourself who weren’t satisfied with what he said to Gammons. Now people like yourself want him to answer more questions about his new statements.

                  Like I said earlier, I am not defending him, I just don’t care as much as you do.

                  For the record, what did you want him to do yesterday? What would have left you satisfied?

                • Mike Pop

                  Also they called for the conference because they didn’t want this to be the main topic the whole season. Not that this is going to stop it.

            • Joe R

              How hasnt he done enough? He’s done more than anyone else. There’s no reason to know how, when, or why yet he has put it out there reguardless. That right there is admitting to cheating. Maybe he only did take the one steriod? All the experts have said that it is very possible that getting drugs in the DR could be tainted with other things, like…testosterone. He’s only “opened doors” because people keep banging on them. Enough is enough and people need to move on.

            • Chris

              The problem, rbizzler, is that what he said wasn’t credible. He didn’t admit to cheating (he says that is for others to judge),

              He admitted to taking a banned substance that he tested positive for. Whether you define that as cheating or not is up to you.

              his time frame of when he did it isn’t consistent with the facts (when testing happened, when he got hurt, etc.),

              He said he took the drugs in 2001-2003. Testing occurred in 2003. Sounds consistent. As for the issue of the injury, I don’t think he ever said he never used again after the injury. I don’t think it’s inconsistent that the injury lead him to stop, but he kept doing it for a few months after the injury.

              and, most of all, he didn’t explain how taking the one steroid resulted in a positive test for two steroids.

              Some experts have explained that a steroid purchased in the Dominican is reasonably likely to have been tainted. I would assume that contamination would be more likely in this case because you are intending to use a very expensive drug and end up with contamination from a cheap drug.

              In the end, if you don’t want to believe him, there is nothing he could say that would make you believe him.

          • Nady Nation

            I’m so with you on Golic. Ever since the Mitchell Report has come out, I can’t even believe he’s had the nerve to say anything against the steroid users.

            • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              But it was only to recover from an injury, guys, it’s not cheating!!!!!

              Mike Golic = gritty selfless humanitarian who only cares about winning and helping his team
              ARod = evil baby raper

  • Januz

    Everyone knows how phony Alex Rodriguez is (You don’t need to have seen the press conference to have figured that out). What makes him very unsympathetic, is his contract, “Drama Queen” act, failure to produce in the playoffs, and his constant lies.
    I wonder how many players on this team actually like him, I bet it is not that many? It may be very much a situation like with Barry Bonds on the Giants (Where everyone hated him to such an extent, he would not travel on the players bus, to road games). He is getting to the point, where has to be treated like a germ, where he is isolated from everyone else, so that when he implodes again (And he will, during the next nine years), the damage is minimized. There are only two ways that can be done: He retires or gets traded (Wishful thinking). Or you have a team of solid professionals, who have such focus, that they can overcome his antics. We know Damon, Jeter, Posada and Rivera fit the bill. Teixeira, Sabathia, Burnett, Robertson & Melancon strike me as being the same way. Texeira is particularly important, because he is on the Executive Commitee of the Players Association, so he can be a bridge between Yankees Management and the Players Association, as well as Scott Boras and the Yankee Management, when it comes to Rodriguez.
    Going forward, the Yankees need to really stress character in the draft, free agent signings, international free agents,and contract extentions. Bring guys on board, who understand in advance, just what they are getting into. That this is not the Texas Rangers, Seattle Mariners, or even the Mets. This is a pressure packed situation and it is not for everyone (I believe that is a reason why Geritt Cole’s dad did not want him here (Cole’s dad is from NY so he is aware of the level of expectations, and did not think he could emotionally handle it)). Rodriguez, may be very similiar to Cole in that respect. When all is said and done, he would have been better of staying in Texas where his antics, would be covered in the middle of the Dallas Morning News, because he would be overshadowed by TO & Pacman Jones. Instead of dealing with the pressure and responsibility of being a New York Yankee.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      None of what you just said made any sense.

    • steve (different one)

      i don’t get it, what does any of this have to do with the Republican party?

    • Joe R

      All I got was TO and Gerrit Cole made A-Rod do steroids.

      • steve (different one)

        this guy finds a way to work Gerrit Cole into every post.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          In parentheses.

        • Mike Pop

          Likes to include TO all the time too. He hates TO more than Nady Nation.

    • Tom Zig

      Well at least he used punctuation. Although he could use a little paragraph spacing here or there.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

      “Going forward, the Yankees need to really stress character in the draft, free agent signings, international free agents,and contract extentions.”

      It’s always smarter to focus on these things than baseball talent. That way, the Yankees can win the Spirit Award every year.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Stressing “character” in the draft = drafting Jon Poterson

        • rbizzler

          …over Huston Street.

          • Mike Pop

            Character>Talent 100 times out of 100.

      • Chris C.

        It’s always smarter to focus on these things than baseball talent. That way, the Yankees can win the Spirit Award every year.

        Stressing character never hurt any organization. Even the Yankees will tell you that having high character guys leading the way was a big reason for their success in the 90′s. Dynasties like that very rarely get off the ground when you have character issue.

    • Mike Pop

      Januz,

      Thanks for the laugh.

  • http://ranger2709.blogspot.com Old Ranger

    Is it over yet?
    Some players just can’t win no matter what they do.
    The news “Search & Destroy” show that went on should have been answered like this: “I took some stuff I thought would help me but, I changed my mind and quit. If one thinks it helped my ability…read “A-Rod’s Numbers” by Brian Cartwright on FanGraphs. I am human just as all of you who drink or smoke pot. I am a Yankee now, not in Texas…just move on and let’s play ball!”
    That’s that, end of interview!
    Let’s face it, no matter what he says, it will be picked apart by those Pro and Con. What ever he has done in the past, should stay in the past. I am sure, many of you out there over the age of 30 (not many) have done things that you are not proud of and should have known better…but, did it anyhow.
    Let’s play baseball!

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      “It was a great game, both teams played hard, my man.”

      • rbizzler

        Did the good guys win out in the end?

        • Mike Pop

          Nope, nice guys finish last.

          • http://ranger2709.blogspot.com Old Ranger

            Amen to that!

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  • Kevin

    Apologies if this has already been answered elsewhere, but has any explanation surfaced yet for Posada’s disappearance mid-conference?

    • Tom Zig

      Steroid injections

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      His hands were drying out; needed a fresh coat of urine.

  • Mattingly’s Love Child

    I think Cashman nailed it when he said that A-Rod is a terrible communicator. What is the whole point of digging deeper into this thing? He’s said that he is sorry, he is going to help the Hooten foundation, and he’s passed every drug test(including blood test for WBC) since 2004. I understand that you can’t believe a word out of his mouth, but most of the stuff that Jeter says is a load of crap too. He is a baseball palyer, do we need to believe that he is a saint…for the children?! If parents raise their children to idolize a jerk, well that is their fault, not Alex’s.

    We all knew he was an a-hole, but how about we dwell on it a little longer. By the way, what boss hasn’t had a talented a-hole that they have put up with due to their talents? Cash is just like any other boss in America.

    All this is a coverup that the media didn’t do their jobs in the 90s when players were acting ‘young, naive, and stupid’. Ladies and gentlemen of the media, you’re a little too late. Your job was to report this shit when it was happening, since you were in the locker rooms then…..not 10 years later!

  • Tom Zig

    Did anyone ever notice how A-rod kept saying “I am here to take my medicine”?

  • touchtoneterriost

    The problem is A-Rod can’t ever help he’s situation.Manny can just hit homeruns to shut-up critics.A-Rod will always be seen as cheater if he hits good.And a waste of money if he doesn’t hit.

    And he deserves it because he is a cheater and is still lying because what he said yesterday was more of a cover-up then he’s Peter Gammons interview.

    • Mattingly’s Love Child

      Is it cheating if the pitchers are juicing too?

    • Tom Zig

      are you Peter Abraham?

      • Mike Pop

        I think Pete Abe posts on here under the name,

        Not Peter Abraham

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      I’ve been meaning to ask: what the heck is a “touch tone terriost”?

      • steve (different one)

        he’s one of the jerky boys!1!11!

  • mustang

    tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside says:
    February 16th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
    It’s a trade you make a million times out of a million.

    Correction: It’s a trade you make a BILLION times out of a million. I know that doesn’t make sense, but still, it’s true.

    For all the people saying “OMG, we’ve never won since he’s been here!!!11!1!!1!!”, it’s not like Alfonso Soriano and Joaquin Arias are Born Winners who rack up titles and playoff victories left and right.

    Reply
    mustang says:
    February 16th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
    I’m not going to start because I will be writing all night , but for the money and all the shit I wonder behind close doors if Cashman and company feel the same.

    • mustang

      Maybe this is a insight to what I was wondering about.

      • mustang

        I’m referring to Cashman’s comments

  • Mike Pop

    Haha. Jeter said,

    “First and foremost, you cheat yourself.”

    Go Jete!

    • UWS

      Where did he say this?

      • Mike Pop

        Just on ESPN.

        • Joe R

          Can anyone recap what Jeet said?

  • mustang

    I can understand Cashman’s frustration, but so what. Your the GM and he is your star player and the key to making you look successful at doing your job. So smile follow the company line of ” We support Alex” and keep your frustration to yourself it only makes for more unnecessary headlines.