Dispensing with the who, what and when of it all

Jennings speaks to Nardi Contreras
Open Thread: Not A-Rod for a few hours

Do you remember where you were six years ago? Do you remember what you did everyday for three years in between 2001-2003? Do you remember what you ate and what you drank? Do you remember, down to the minute, with whom you spent all your time?

In the aftermath of Alex Rodriguez‘s press conference this afternoon, that level of detail is basically what media members and many Yankee fans are now demanding from A-Rod. It’s a patently absurd standard for those of us with the best of memories, and it just doesn’t matter.

Ten days ago, A-Rod’s world came crashing down when Sports Illustrated reported on his failed — and supposedly anonymous — drug test in 2003. From his opt-out antics to Madonna to steroids, he went from an image-conscious superstar to a circus sideshow to a three-ring event in the span of a few hours.

On the flip side was the media. In the span of ten years, from 1998 when the AP started reporting about Andro to today, the people tasked with covering the game have gone from complicity to outrage. Once it was taboo to report about supplements in baseball; today, if the reporters can’t play the Gotcha Game with A-Rod, they fail at their jobs.

Meanwhile, A-Rod is up a creek without a paddle. Today, for reasons unknown, he spun a tale involving his cousin and another unknown supplement. There’s no reason to believe this to be a false one. After all, for years baseball players have been injecting, swallowing and rubbing anything in or into their bodies that they felt would give them a not-so-natural edge. Of course, it would have been better for A-Rod to come out with a laundry list of substances he took and the dates he took them without excusing away his poor decisions.

Great. That is perhaps not the best strategy in an effort to exculpate one’s self, but I have a bigger question: Who cares about the minutiae? We know Mike Francesca does. We know plenty of holier-than-thou reporters all of a sudden seem to care, but it doesn’t matter.

Alex Rodriguez has been publicly shamed. His reputation is in tatters, and as a potential future Hall of Famer, he’s admitted to more drug use than anyone else who has stepped forward so far. Barry Bonds hasn’t accepted any responsibility for his actions, and neither has Roger Clemens. Andy Pettitte and Jason Giambi should be commended for coming forward, but they were rather guarded about it. Mark McGwire just doesn’t want to talk about the past, and even Ivan Rodriguez believes that “only God knows” if he is on the list of 103 other players.

Even still, it doesn’t matter. He’s come forward; he’s admitted his wrongs; he made a lot of mistakes over an indeterminate length of time; he’s apologized. That’s that. In the comments to our liveblog, RAB readers are debating this until they are blue in the fingers, but it’s done. The skeptics of the sports world may not like it, but it’s time to move on, at least until the next tell-all book hits the shelves and everyone get all riled up all over again.

Jennings speaks to Nardi Contreras
Open Thread: Not A-Rod for a few hours
  • UWS

    I thought we established that “boley” = primobolan? Or was something mentioned? I’m just going by Mike liveblog…

    /needs PEDs (posting enhancing drugs)

  • Mango Kid

    Or “Boli” as in “AnaBOLIc”?

    • John

      isnt Primobolan an anabolic steroid?

  • radnom


    Do you remember where you were six years ago? Do you remember what you did everyday for three years in between 2001-2003? Do you remember what you ate and what you drank? Do you remember, down to the minute, with whom you spent all your time?

    Eh, while I agree with your overall sentiment, I’m so tired of hearing this rubbish argument.
    Yes, if I was under so much pressure at my job that I decided to break the law and the rules of my work place in order to perform better that would be a memory that would stick with me of what I did. Especially if only a few short years after I did it, a huge media storm centered over the same issue which I had gotten away with but my name was on a list of the guilty still out there somewhere. He remembers everything, but just isn’t being 100% forthcoming.
    For example, when asked “would you ever have ever come clean if this article did not get linked” his answer of “oh, i havnt thought about it” is obviously disingenuous.
    Do I think he should have come out at said “haha yeah right, why would I?”?
    No. The media is pretending they do though.
    Do I think people on the other side should stop making escuses for him and admit he is just pulling the best PR spin he can and as such there are certainly valid criticisms of how he’s handled this?
    Yes.

    • rbizzler

      Exactly the point. He has handled this as well as can be expected without pointing the finger at teammates or bringing legal trouble upon himself.

      He has been more forthcoming about his use than any other big name who has been linked to PED’s.

      The horse is pretty close to dead and hopefully it will be put put of its misery soon.

    • Sweet Dick Willie

      when asked “would you ever have ever come clean if this article did not get linked

      The correct response would have been “How many of the other 103 names on the list have voluntarily come forward?”

    • RustyJohn

      Do I remember everything I did seven years ago? Of course not. Are there some highlights that stand out? Yes- I remember getting drunk with friends and going to a bowling alley- so drunk that I didn’t hit a single pin for 5 frames and when I finally hit a pin in the 6th, I was so happy I dropped my pants and exposed my bare ass and johnson to the entire bowling alley.

      I remember being at a steakhouse/bar with some friends when one of them offered me 50 bucks if I would proposition a midget at the bar- 100 dollars if I slept with her. I declined. However, I do recall another night 2 weeks later hooking up with a fat chick.

      I can recall the speeding ticket I got in the fall of 2001- I was going 45 in a 30 and changing lanes in the middle of the intersection weaving in between cars- I was late for my Remedies class. The officer said he should give me a reckless driving citation, but didn’t.

      I could go on- the point being, I’d sure as shit know if my cousin stuck a needle in my nut sack or ass or wherever, where I got this stuff from and what I planned on doing with it. It isn’t an ordinary thing, unless you’ve done it so much it becomes ordinary.

      Oh, and I wasn’t young and naive. I was 26 or 27 and did most of those things because I was a fucking lush.

  • John

    “We know Mike Francesca does. We know plenty of holier-than-thou reporters”

    as in Joel Sherman, Mike Lupica, George King, and other anti-yankee writers

  • Peedlum

    While I completely agree with your central point that the minutiae does not matter and I would never have any idea what I was ingesting 6 years ago, I am a little troubled with how inconsistent he was about dates–he said a 6 month period and also 3 years. The ambiguity there leaves me with two concerns:

    1. Will this invite reporters to do more digging to further extend this story (following Francesca’s lead of beating a dead horse for ratings) and possibly catch him in a lie or even just a half truth, thereby dragging this out further?

    2. Does his failure to be completely clear mean he’s hiding something else or just that he’s not very well spoken?

    That being said, he did provide one of the better mea culpas of the steroids confessions and denials era today. I have never been partial to a-rod the person, but we all still want him to succeed. Hopefully this puts a band-aid on the bleeding and will allow him to go out and punish some pitchers rather than mentally punish himself.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      I think his failure to be completely clear is some combination of not wanting to incriminate himself and his speaking abilities. He probably has been advised by lawyers not to say something that could land him in legal trouble, and he doesn’t seem like the most comfortable public speaker.

      • Mike Pop

        I read he was in Public Speaking 101 all last week.

      • Sweet Dick Willie

        While I can understand his not remembering specific dates, it would have been appropriate for one of the reporters to ask “Did you ever use PEDs while you were a member of the Mariners or the Yankees?” He should be able to remember that much.

    • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com Moshe Mandel

      He said a 6 month period each year for three years. Seems pretty clear to me.

    • whozat

      The 6 month period is the baseball season. He did it during the season for each of three years.

      Is that not obvious? It’s not inconsistent, it makes perfect sense.

      • Peedlum

        Huh, I must have misheard it. If that’s the case (which makes a lot more sense so it likely is) then on second evaluation I think he did the best anyone could have done today. His cousin will surely be outed soon and hopefully the story won’t have anywhere to go after that and will just die out.

        Not knowing anything about steroids, I do also wonder if a dozen injections over 6 months could really have much effect.

  • Jake H

    Why does it matter who he got it from or what it was. He said it was a banned substance. If it’s banned it’s banned. For the people who say they would never put something into their bodies that they didn’t know what it was. Your telling me that millions of americans who are addicted to coke, heroid, meth and any other drug know exactly what is in it then your a moron. You can pull out a coke and see the ingridents but do you know what they are? Come on

  • whozat

    You know, I just saw a link on Google News to an SI article called “ARod needs to get story straight”

    I almost clicked on it, peeved that they were already trying to come up with some imagined inconsistency in his statement, and then realized that all that would do would be to encourage them to publish more articles just like it. Boo.

    • John

      the bad thing is that that an insignificant amount of people like yourself will avoid that story so you might as well read it because SI will be encouraged.

  • ceciguante

    i really have come to think that the best thing any of us can do (meaning, those of us who are disgusted at how overblown this media mess has become) is to just ignore it all. don’t comment on what francesa or sherman or kay or king say, or any of the rest of em. don’t watch or read what they have to say. don’t give them the webpage hits or the nielsen ratings. the more we all scour their BS media outlets, the more we encourage their witch hunt.

    let’s go back to talking baseball.

    • whozat

      I was planning to hack their website counters so that it seems like no one in the entire world is reading these stories. Should I not do that?

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        I love it.

        But, the first rule of Project Mayhem is you do not talk about Project Mayhem.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

      Absolutely, 100%. It’s tough to let it go, though, even for those of us who are disgusted by it. We’re making a conscious effort to move forward.

      • Reggie C.

        All the more harder to do when there are ZERO spring training games to distract us. This couldn’t have happened a couple weeks from now??

  • Mango Kid

    There wasn’t anything he could say today that would please everybody – it is A-Rod after all and some are predisposed to cracking him at every chance. He said far more than Giambi or Pettitte (or anyone else, for that matter) ever did but will get treated far worse, you can bank on that.

    He could’ve been a prick and said “look, I did it at a time it wasn’t illegal, I feel bad for it, but let’s not kid ourselves – there are plenty of others who are guilty of same.” Instead he took the higher road and kept it to himself, stayed humble about it and apologized. Good enough.

  • touchtoneterriost

    He didn’t admit it he got caught.And it took ten days to come up with a story.And he didn’t admit the truth.

    1)He said it was a “loosey Goosey” era but said he never saw anyone take steroids.Even with Jose Canseco,JUan Gonzalez,Palmero on he’s team.

    2)Young and stupid is 15 years old not 25.

    3)Why would he admit he took steroids with the Yankees it will make him even more in trouble since drugs were truly banned after 2005.

    4)This isn’t gonna stop because like Mike Franscea said there wasn’t any follow up questions to grill A-Rod it was stupid press conference.

    5)He said it might not have worked and I would remember how many times someone injected me with illegal drugs.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      He didn’t admit it he got caught.

      Right, and that’s so wrong because of the droves of players coming out to voluntarily admit they used PEDs despite having never failed a test.

      And if you don’t think you can be young and stupid at 25, then I don’t know what to tell you. You can do a lot more damage being dumb at 25 than you can at 15.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      1)He said it was a “loosey Goosey” era but said he never saw anyone take steroids.Even with Jose Canseco,JUan Gonzalez,Palmero on he’s team.

      Maybe he didn’t want to be a snitch. I can respect that. He said “I’m not here to talk about anyone else”. Some shit isn’t our business.

      2)Young and stupid is 15 years old not 25.

      As Mike said, the maturity level of a 25 year old is in question. I did a lot of dumb shit at 25.

      3)Why would he admit he took steroids with the Yankees it will make him even more in trouble since drugs were truly banned after 2005.

      True. Which may be why he didn’t take steroids with the Yankees. There’s that possibility, you know.

      4)This isn’t gonna stop because like Mike Franscea said there wasn’t any follow up questions to grill A-Rod it was stupid press conference.

      Mike Francesa should never be the authority on anything. He’s an ignorant boob.

      5)He said it might not have worked and I would remember how many times someone injected me with illegal drugs.

      It might not have worked. Neither of us have done any biomedical research or study on ARod’s body. Neither did he. And he probably doesn’t remember how many times somebody injected him if it was more than 40 or 50. I can’t really remember off the top of my head how many girls I’ve had sex with. If you give me 10 days, I still might not be able to nail it down.

      • Sweet Dick Willie

        I can’t really remember off the top of my head how many girls I’ve had sex with. If you give me 10 days, I still might not be able to nail it down.

        YOU FUCKING STUD!!!!!!!!!!

        • Mike Pop

          He is very important, his apartment smells of rich mahogany and is filled with many leather bound books.

        • RustyJohn

          Hookers don’t count.

  • Jay CT

    Ben are you fricken KIDDING ME? You are saying we can’t remember what we ate drank etc 6 years ago? We are talking about INJECTING SOMETHING INTO US. I remember EVERY needle I had STUCK IN MY ASS… ZERO. I remember every illegal drug (or most at least). I remember most times when I broke the law, and if I don’t I am sure that someone could say something to jar the memory.

    I fricken LOVE ARod as much as is legally allowed, but even I have to say he remembers more then he is admitting to, and rightly so. Just because he isn’t saying more doesn’t mean he doesn’t remember more.

    I don’t know, usually I agree with what you say (less the grammar mistakes), but this one seems to be more like a John Sterling post.

    • Jay CT

      By the way, I fully expected to be blasted by me saying this. I am not trying to insult you here. I just feel that this is being a bit too “homerish.”

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

        I see where you’re coming from — and I’d love to have the grammar mistakes pointed out in an email if you see many — but I disagree. I’ve already expressed my disappointment with A-Rod; I’ve already seen him sweat under the lights of ESPN; I saw him talk at today’s press conference.

        Do we really need to know exactly what he did and when? No. The sports talk folks want it to make him look bad and to find something else about which they can bloviate.

        As for your other points, when I go to the doctor and get shots, I have no clue what is getting shoved into me. That’s what immunization records are for. I’m not defending A-Rod’s actions. What he did and what countless other players did was stupid, but am I surprised if he can’t remember exactly what he injected into himself? Nope.

        • Nady Nation

          This wasn’t a one time affair. This happened for 3 full seasons, twice a month. You honestly think he doesn’t “remember”, or had no reason to even wonder or research, what was being injected into his body? That’s very hard to believe. I really am tired of this issue as well, but I think this stance is faulty.

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

            You’re missing the overall question. Why do we care what he was injecting? Why does it matter? No one can go back in time to stop A-Rod. What do we gain by raking him over the coals just for the names of some drugs none of us have ever heard of?

            • Nady Nation

              Oh, I completely agree with your overall premise. I think the media wanting more out of A-Rod is pointless. He admitted he juiced, and his career and personal accomplishments will forever be tarnished because of that. I’m just saying that his excuse that he had no idea, or could not remember, what he was putting into his body seems a little far-fetched. But you’re right, this is all meaningless now. I’m just glad he got this out of the way a month and a half before the season actually starts.

              • Jay CT

                Yeah of course the media wants to drag it out. But just as guilty as the media is, ARod is just as guilty. He doesn’t want to tell, they want him to tell. They both know he knows. To me, I feel like if he said, “Look, I was a user. I felt like it really helped, whether it did or it didn’t. I REALLY messed up. I don’t feel that you can remove my numbers from the books, because I was there, and with or without the steroids, I would have posted good numbers. Was it physical or mental, I really don’t know. What I do know is what I said…” instead of, “I was young and stupid.”

                I am not trying to sound like that douchebag on WFan. ARod could have said he drank steroids everynight with dinner, and Mike still wouldn’t have been happy. I just feel that ARod knows whats up. You are going into law; you know every illegal thing you do so that it can’t bite you. Your brain is your “bat.” He is an athlete, he knows what he does to his body because that is his moneymaker. Its just my opinion.

                And I am just busting your balls about grammar Ben. You are great, I always advocate for you to get more “talk time” on here in chats and radio shows!

                • Sweet Dick Willie

                  I think it’s entirely plausible that Alex doesn’t remember every he was injected. He said he did it for six month intervals over a period of three years. That’s close enough for me (although I would have liked to hear him say definitively that he never used PEDs while with the Mariners or Yankees – that he should be able to remember).

                  If you ask a person how many times he drank while under age, I’m sure many would respond similarly; let’s see, I started my freshman year in college when I was 18, we had parties at least every weekend, so that’s about 3 x 52, or thereabouts. Unless you only did it a couple of times, you wouldn’t remember every time.

                • Jay CT

                  Also, and since I haven’t read the rest of these comments since I am in class, I think ARod continuing to talk about his age, and even saying he was 23…24 when in fact in Texas he was 26,27,28. That seems to break down a bit more credibility.

                  All I can say is, I will cheer him for the rest of his contract. I fricken love ARod, always have, always will. I think the media with a slanted anti- ARod will be against him. Its interesting that the ESPN guys (Buster Olney especially) who so many bash on here has been one of his biggest supporters that I have heard/seen/read.

              • Akes

                How about this everyone that has ran a redlight,failed to complete a stop at a stop sign or was speeding with out getting caught turn yourself in! And then let us know which redlight you ran, which stop sign it was and how fast you were going when you were speeding? After all these things are illegal. My point is that we all do these things and think nothing of it. As bad as what he did as often as he said he did it for 3 years. And don’t get me wrong I do not agree with what he has done. But when you do things over and over again you tend to not remember all the details. He is human after all! As are all of us and I believe that if anyone of us have made mistakes would want to be forgiven. Except when we make a dumb decision no matter large or small (excluding a federal crime of course) it is not all over every single media outlet. With vultchers circleing just waiting for any piece of scrap or miss step to jump on. Which brings me to the same vultchers that are so uppset about any baseball player using PED’S but hardly a mention about NFL players using PED’S. Where is the outrage I believe it is much more of aproblem in the nfl. When the same standards are applied to all of the sports then I may take there outrage a little more seriously. But until then they are hipercrits. And I do believe if we started looking at every little detail of there life they would not be very happy. Hey there is an idea reporters to cover the reporters. But then we would have a Schrödinger’s cat paradox.

                He that doth not as other men do, but endeavoureth that which ought to be done, shall thereby rather incur peril than preservation; for who so laboreth to be sincerely perfect and good shall necessarily perish, living among men that are generally evil.

                Sir Walter Raleigh

  • Quidam03

    There is nothing that Alex can say that will satisfy most of the writers and most of the public. NOTHING.

    They will have a problem regardless.

    I totally agree, the minute details are totally irrelevant.

    Alex has stepped forwardand admitted using PEDs, he has admitted that it was stupid, that it was wrong, and that he is very, very sorry.

    What more can anyone reasonably expect?

    The Fransesas, Lupicas, et als of this world earn a living by CREATING stories, and by perpetuating them.

    Of all the players who have been linked to PEDs has any one of them gone into the details…..described their use with more specificity then Alex? NO (with the possible exception of Andy). Yet the vultures were screaming for more red meat even before the press conference was over.

    What about the 100 or so names on the infamous list? Where is the hue and cry for those names to be released?

    What about the four so called team mates on the Texas club who told clubhouse tales and are now hiding behind the skirts of a reporter looking for a windfall payday on Alex’s back? Who is demanding that they step forward?

    Enough already with Alex bashing…..he admitted that he did it, he admitted that it (he) was stupid, and he has states several times that he is sorry.

    Let it go………….time to get serious about playing ball……..

    • http://bigbluepinstripes.blogspot.com/ LB

      “There is nothing that Alex can say that will satisfy most of the writers and most of the public. NOTHING.”

      So true

  • Matt ’09

    First off, I give Alex credit, he was pretty open and honest this time around. The bad though, it was his 3rd try at it. Like Sweeney Murti said, it’s the 3rd go of it since Katie Couric.

    He was pretty outright…..but some obvious stuff was danced around.

    Most telling part….when he said “I miss being a baseball player”…and from that you could tell he is/was a broken man, and he’s just picking up the pieces.

    • John

      and some yankee fans and the media keeps pushing him back down while he is picking those pieces up…shame on those people

      • Matt ’09

        Yeah, I agree, he admitted as much as he’s going to, let’s move on. Have your opinion on whatever his stats mean or rep, but let’s play baseball.

  • http://bigbluepinstripes.blogspot.com/ LB

    I’m ready for the season to start.
    Alex admitted it, said he was stupid numerous times..fine by me.
    Moving on..Let’s win a world series this year.

  • http://amonthoffundays.blogspot.com Phil in LA

    ARod has been taking one for the team. Nothing in his story implicated anyone else in MLB, and I’m sure that’s by design.

  • Rob S.

    The who, what, when, where, why? is nothing but a means to drag this story out endlessly by the media. Alex admitted that he used steroids, ok? He cheated and then he lied about it but it’s over and done. The minute details of exactly what he took, wether it was injection or pill, who administered it…it’s all pointless. The media wants to extract it because it’s all they have left. They got the admission, the apology and the circumstances, the details are all they have left. I say A-Rod has said enough. He admitted using, he did not try to scapegoat the players union or try to throw anyone else under the bus. Let’s not forget that this information was anonymous and sealed, it is supposed to be evidence in a federal investigation. This information was never supposed to see the light of day and it was probably obtained through illegal means on somebody’s part. So while fans of other teams and their hometown newspapers are enjoying this smear campaign against A-Rod and the Yankees, 103 other names remain under wraps. Names that would likely effect just about every team. A-Rod is already being held to a ridiculous standard compared to other accused PED users even as he has disclosed more but to subject him too it while 103 other players get off scot free is bulls***.

  • http://ibbw.wordpress.com Jamie

    6 years ago i was puffin’ on the reefer in the school parking lot. Who cares about this crap anymore.

  • RobC

    I’m gettign tired of it too.
    When I was a kid I wa sa big Steve Carlton fan. he did not talk to the press. I undestand why

    I got a kick out of the ESPN site story “Selig doesnt want blame for steriods”
    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3912702
    Come on Bud it happened on your watch. No excuses.
    Time for Bud’s press conference then lets end it.
    BTW Bud if you read RAB my I offer some suggestions?
    Play-off games week days 7:35pm local time
    weekends 1:35pm local
    no ED drug commercials
    regular season games general admission under 12 y/o 50c

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  • Joseph M

    The whole thing is rdiculous at this point. He stated what he did, when he did it, that’s it. There were rules around the test, some have already been broken (like naming names), he stated he won’t do it again, there is testing that’s about all we can do.

    What I hate about all this is the self rightous media folks speaking on behalf of the “fans”. The fans won’t tolerate this, unless so and so happens. Say, what! These guys aren’t speaking for anyone else but themselves as far as I’m concerned.
    Keith Hernandez is celebrated as a great broadcaster, some folks want to put him in the Hall Of Fame, the fact he was stoned out on cocaine when he was with St. Louis is never even mentioned.

    I heard Francesa ranting this afternoon, excuse me, this is a guy who kissed Don Imus’s rear, any one want to count the number of times Imus screwed up on drugs during the 70’s and 80’s.

  • BillyBall

    “It might not have worked. Neither of us have done any biomedical research or study on ARod’s body. Neither did he. And he probably doesn’t remember how many times somebody injected him if it was more than 40 or 50. I can’t really remember off the top of my head how many girls I’ve had sex with. If you give me 10 days, I still might not be able to nail it down.”

    The most ridiculous posting of the year goes to johncarlospierre whatever the rest of his name is!

    As far as the girls you were with, lol, not sure where to go with that one.

    As far as A-Roid not knowing if the roids helped him, he could have been honest there and told everyone of the impact including the negatives and build on that. He had the father of the boy that died from steroids sitting there to show that he is fully committed to rid sports and high schools of this drug but he SOOOOO dropped the pop up on that.

  • BillyBall

    If only Hank would have stayed out of the negotiations, We would not have had to deal with this circus and maybe we could have signed Manny for 2 years and put his bat in the middle of the order. What a shame. 9 more years of this tool and his circus! Lastly, if the media folk, such as Francessa and Pete Abe want to destroy A-Rod’s tale, than let them. They have the right, just as you staunch A-Rod sympathizers have the right to defend him and feel that he was honest and its over and now lets get back to baseball.

  • RustyJohn

    The reason why this won’t die is because ARod is a lying sack of crap and can’t get his story straight. If he would just be a man and say, “I did this, I thought it would help me be a better player and I didn’t stop until I got caught. Any questions?”, this would be done. Instead he keeps making these implausible statements like, “I didn’t know if it helped me or not.” Then why did you take it for three years? “Because I had more energy.” The bowl of amphetimines wasn’t enough?

    I signed a contract worth a quarter billion dollars so I’m going to let my cousin who got some shit from shanty town in the Dominican stick a needle in my ass. Why is it all these guys don’t know what they are taking or don’t know it is illegal? I can count on two hands the number of times I’ve been injected with a needle in the past 10 years- most of those were to donate blood. If my fucking cousin came up to me and said, “I got this stuff in Liberty City, it is supposed to give you more energy, here, let me stick this needle in you 30 times”, I think I might hesitate before doing so.

    He knew exactly what he was taking, it wasn’t just hs cousin who was doing this, and it obviously gave him some improvement or else he wouldn’t have done it for 3 years.

    If he were a stoner, could I care? No. His smoking out in the clubhouse before the game is not going to effect the valdity of baseball records or give him an advantage over opposing players. If he nails trannies in the off-season while his wife is at home with the kids, who cares. But we are talking about records and those used to count for something.

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