I forgive you, almost

Yankees, MLBPA release A-Rod statements
Congress shoves A-Rod over the shark

When I arrived in Texas in 2001, I felt an enormous amount of pressure. I felt like I had all the weight of the world on top of me, and I needed to perform, and perform at a high level every day.

Back then, it was a different culture. It was very loose. I was young. I was stupid. I was naive. And I wanted to prove to everyone that, you know, I was worth being one of the greatest players of all time. And I did take a banned substance. You know, for that I’m very sorry and deeply regretful.

Forty-eight hours ago, as the Yankees’ little A-Rod-centric universe was seemingly crumbling around itself, I was deeply, deeply disappointment in someone I had assumed was above it all. A-Rod was good ol’ natural talent, and he didn’t need any of That Stuff. Talk about naivete.

Today, I’m still disappointed. Baseball hasn’t been pure for decades, and now we’ll have to wait another generation for the game’s savior to show up. But after watching A-Rod’s seemingly sincere — if well-rehearsed — national apology tonight, I’m willing to forgive — but not to forget — and move on.

Rodriguez’s apology tonight was exactly what he needed. He came as clean as he could considering the circumstances and came across as deeply sorry. Perhaps A-Rod was, as Rob Neyer cynically wrote, sorry that he was caught, but no matter the underlying emotion, he was utterly sincere tonight.

From the get go, A-Rod framed this apology around himself. He felt the pressure to perform, and we all know what happens to A-Rod under pressure. No one in baseball, it seems, is more insecure considering the talent, and it sounds like A-Rod, around the same age as Joe, Mike and I when he arrived in Texas, felt the weight of the baseball world and $250 million on his shoulders. Surrounded by old-timers such as Juan Gonzalez, Rafael Palmeiro and Ivan Rodriguez, Mitchell Report boldfaced names, A-Rod caved.

That’s the thing. Again, it was such a loosey-goosey era. I’m guilty for a lot of things. I’m guilty for being negligent, naive, not asking all the right questions. And to be quite honest, I don’t know exactly what substance I was guilty of using…

It wasn’t until 2003. I was laying in my bed in Surprise, Arizona. We were doing a team conditioning down by the pool in Arizona. And I suffered a very serious neck injury that went all the way down to my spine. I missed about 2½ weeks of spring training, and I was scared I was going to miss time…

It was time to grow up, stop being selfish, stop being stupid and take control of whatever you’re ingesting. And for that, I couldn’t be — I couldn’t feel more regret and feel more sorry because I have so much respect for this game, and, you know, the people that follow me and respect me. And I have millions of fans out there that are, you know, will never look at me the same.

On top of the sincerity, A-Rod has shown that there is no such thing as a smart baseball player. I can hardly say I’m surprised. In his interview with Peter Gammons, A-Rod noted that he didn’t know what substances he was using and he barely knew from whence they came. Skeptics will raise an eyebrow and wonder what athlete would put something in his body without knowing what it is.

To them, I say what athlete wouldn’t if someone else told them how great it was? I have been around collegiate athletes; I’ve been around gyms. I see how people take supplements without doing much research. If the label says it’s good, if your buddy says it works wonders on your recovery time or your biceps, it’s a lot harder to say no. Add in a few hundred million dollars, some fawning coverage of Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa and, in 2001, Barry Bonds, and it all adds up to PED use in the mind of a susceptible 26-year-old.

That is of course no excuse; it’s just stupidity. It was stupid of A-Rod to take something without knowing what it was. It was stupid of every baseball player who’s done that. But since then, A-Rod has developed a reputation for his near-robotic work-out pace. He carefully metes out his diet. He no longer breaks the rules, and while Joe Torre might considering him a fraud because of it, it sounds like his teammates trust him now, six years after he failed the test.

At the time, I wasn’t even being truthful with myself. How can I be truthful with Katie or with CBS?

A few years later, when he sat down with Katie Couric, he again was stupid. He lied to her on TV, but unlike Joe Torre, A-Rod wasn’t about to break that clubhouse vow. If he told her the truth on national television, it would have been a disaster, and he wouldn’t have been able to avoid throwing half of baseball under the bus. Maybe I’m rationalizing, but for the good of the game, this revelation and subsequent damage control-cum-apology worked out better.

Look, I think New Yorkers like honesty. I think they like people that say the truth. I also think they like great players that know how to win. And I think winning’s the ultimate medicine we can take here. If we can win a championship, if we can play well, if we can play well down the stretch, I think New Yorkers love to forgive you.

And right now, I made a mistake. I was stupid. I was an idiot, all these things. And I think New Yorkers can probably relate with that every once in a while. And I think they want to see me, now that I’ve come forward, continue and, like with Andy Pettitte, be a great player again.

When all is said and done, it simply boils down to winning. I have to believe A-Rod when he says he’s been clean and has been tested since 2003. Imagine the blowback if he were caught lying about PED use on national television again. So to be redeemed, at least in the eyes of the Yankee fans, A-Rod just has to go out and do what he does. He has to hit; he has to play hard; and he has to lead the Yanks.

What he did will never be okay, and he’ll have to live with the consequences of that decision for the rest of his career and his life. I’ll remain disappointed and disillusioned. But I believed him enough to get ready to move on. Be clean. Play hard. Win. That’s how A-Rod can win back those fans willing to be won back.

Yankees, MLBPA release A-Rod statements
Congress shoves A-Rod over the shark
  • Anonymous

    I like it how you guys have taken this A-rod thing relatively well. Pete Abe, on the other hand, has been creaming his pants on this opportunity to bash A-rod and he has taken full advantage of it. Keep it up guys.

    • RCK

      I took the LoHud blog off my feed the minute I heard the news. I knew I wouldn’t be able to stand it.

      Ben, I agree with everything you say in this post. I’m still horribly disappointed, but I do think I will be able to be a fan of A-Rod’s again eventually, never as die hard as I was before Saturday’s revelations, but I do count myself among those willing to be won back, as you put it.

      That’s actually what I wanted most from him in this interview. I wanted him to realize how many of us re-winnable fans there are and to try to speak directly to us. I was worried that the fact that there are so many people for whom nothing he says will ever be good enough (and I include at least 75% of the print and television media in that group) would get in the way of that for him. But I don’t feel like it did.

      • LiveFromNewYork

        I ditched LoHud long ago. Pete is a big whiny baby and his commenters are the worst.

  • http://ibleedblueandwhite.blogspot.com Jamie

    Ben – part of me feels that this could potentially help him when it comes to dealing with clutch situations and putting the team first down the stretch. Maybe there will be more of the ARod we saw in his early years with Seattle – concentrating on just hitting the ball hard somewhere – instead of swinging out of his cleats to get one more home run closer to Bonds.

    Think about it. The only thing he has left now, is the opportunity to win a ring. That really is it. The HOF is out of question at this point, as it is really something completely out of the realm of his control. No matter how much he atones for his sins or what he does on the ball field, there will still be naysayers who will never vote for him. Ever.

    He CAN have a much bigger impact on the Yanks winning World Series Championships than him making the HOF. Maybe truly “putting the team first” is just what the doctor ordered for the last 9 years of his contract for both himself and the Yankees. Instead of the focus being on him “closing in” on the record and being the clean savior the sport needs, he can just take each game, each at-bat, as it comes.

    In addition, and I know I will probably get some flak for this on the site, but I really do think that he needs to step up and be the face of, “I made this mistake, now I plan on doing whatever to make sure it doesn’t happen again to some 21 year old with unbelievable talent in the future.” On MLB Network, I think it was Verducci claimed that this was basically a bunch of “horse crap” and that it didn’t belong to be there. Honestly, if he follows through with this, I can’t think of a better way to atone for his sins – besides winning a WS, of course. –

    • nmc

      The argument goes the other way too. Maybe now that it’s out, he tried even harder to “prove” that he can do it without, and subsequently does worse.

      I think players’ mental effects on certain situations are either boiled down to small sample size or extreme examples.

      I think he’ll have a good year, but mostly because he’s Alex Rodriguez, best (or one of the best *) baseball player of this generation. He will continue to be good.

      • Let’s Talk About TEX Baby

        We know A-Rod does not deal well with off-the-field distractions. We also know that when he tries too hard he struggles. That being said, I think this is not going to be one of his better years. He’s going to come out swinging for the fences in every at bat, looking to hit 80 home runs to show he’s the same player off steroids. I don’t think this will be a banner year for A-Rod, but of course his ridiculous natural talent will get him the usual .285/.375/.550 35 homers, 110 rbis of his “bad” years. I don’t think this will keep the Yankees from winning a lot of games.

        The big winner here imo is Barry Bonds. With this information coming out about Arod, who everyone seemed to assume was clean, Bonds really can’t be singled out anymore. Juiced Bonds was better than juiced A-Rod and all the other juiced power hitters. I feel bad for the players who actually did it the right way, but nobody gets the benefit of the doubt anymore.

        That being said, I think I speak for most fans when I say that I really don’t care. 1987-2003 was the steroid era in baseball just like there was a dead ball era, and so on. I think most players just viewed steroids, like greenies, as something a that was part of the game but not talked about. I’m not saying it was right, but neither was excluding blacks, the reserve clause and so on but we don’t really look back on those eras as “tainted” because of it. Would Bonds have hit 762 home runs without steroids? No. Would Babe Ruth have hit 714 if he faced the best competition? Probably not.

        I’m glad there is a testing program now, but just like in the NFL, the Olympics and every other sport, players are going to find a way around it. There is too much money and fame on the line for them not to. Fans and self-righteous sportswriters alike are going to have to find a way to accept that reality.

  • Infamous

    I forgive him. I think this interview humanized Arod. It really seemed he was extremely saddened and regretful. I could not imagine how much pressure he was to perform and how much pressure was probably on him to take substances, since everyone veteran on the team was. I am not saying wat Arod did was not wrong but everyone makes mistakes and he still is one of the best baseball players ive yet to witness. I will definitely cheer for him if i can ever get to a game.

    • http://ibleedblueandwhite.blogspot.com Jamie

      Agreed. I mean look at the people on that team. The entire freaking line up was juicing. We should be thankful they never got the pitchers in on it haha

      • John

        Yes exactly. It may have taken his alleged “selfnishness” away. I read somewhere, someone said he needs to become the face of teaching kids not to do steroids.

  • adeelmd

    I agree with the title, “almost”. I think A-rod knew what he took, but will never admit it. The reason is simple, some steroids are relatively temporary, some steroids would probably leave permanent effects. Tons of other side effects can be linked to particular steroids, and by not naming them; I think he did the RIGHT thing. The last thing anyone wants is Sanjay Gupta giving us the details of some particular drugs; and then hearing Joe Morgan’s instant medical analysis.

    I also think the reason he quit steroids wasn’t because of his “neck” (what crap is that?). Either, he saw what was happening to mcGuire/Bonds; and/or he noticed certain body parts getting smaller… Again, I don’t blame him for not admitting any of this (and this is all speculation)

    I don’t know if he is telling the truth about 2003 either. And seeing the disaster that happened to Clemens and Bonds he would have been an idiot to deny it. Going one step beyond Andy and giving a 2001 to 2003 timeframe give him some credibility; which is more than anyone else has ever done. IF he did do steroids/hgh beyond 2003 then there are two things that can be assumed

    1) No positive tests since then
    2) he could be taking something like low dose HGH which a few fringe doctors actually recommend as being healthy. (now there’s a radical thought)

    The bottom line is regardless of all this I LIKED this A-rod; He seemed more humble than I can remember him, and at times he actually seemed like himself. He needs to keep being the person he was in the interview, humble and more himself and less the star.

    Forgiveness will only come in October.

    • Ed

      I also think the reason he quit steroids wasn’t because of his “neck” (what crap is that?).

      He had a herniated disc in his neck. If those problems become severe enough, you need to have the vertebrae fused. The fusion stops your pain but greatly reduces your range of motion, which would most likely end his career. Also, the fusion surgery is very common among pro wrestlers that have been linked to steroids, so there may very well be a link between steroid usage and neck problems.

      Either, he saw what was happening to mcGuire/Bonds

      I’m assuming your intention here was about the publicity they received, however, by this point in time the side effects of steroids on them was becoming clear. McGwire’s legs had broken down to the point that he had to retire. Bonds wasn’t far from the point where he had several knee surgeries and an elbow surgery due to the degeneration of his joints – and there was also the arm injury in ’99 from steroid abuse.

      he could be taking something like low dose HGH which a few fringe doctors actually recommend as being healthy. (now there’s a radical thought)

      They’re fringe doctors for a reason. The research so far shows that taking HGH is only a benefit if your body does not produce enough. In a person with normal levels, taking HGH has no benefits and often has negative effects.

  • http://baseballbeat.wordpress.com/ Baseball Beat

    Flipping through the channels and I see on my guide Yankeeography is on YES. The info said Alex Rodriguez. Of course it wasn’t the Yankeeography of A-Rod, but of Yogi Berra instead. Don’t think that was a programming error.

  • Pastafarian

    I forgive him and can only point out one of his points…. he will have 14 years of clean baseball on his slate at the end of his career and if/when the Hall of Fame voters look at those years excluding 2001-2003 he’s in. Unfortunately I don’t think they will, and his 3 stupid as I like to call them will be the factors which is such a shame b/c he didn’t need steroids to preform he had a god given talent and thought it wasn’t good enough.

    • adeelmd

      I think he gets in. As the steroid era comes to a close, those that admitted their use will eventually get in. There will also be a “if he was good enough to get in without steroids mentality”. The only way he doesn’t get in (in my opinion) is if he doesn’t win a ring. That would be a disaster and utter downward spiral.

      You think A-rod would give up part of his 2009 salary so the team ccould sign Manny and/or Cruz? NOW THAT would be true teamwork!

      • whozat

        A) Signing Manny is replete with its own problems

        B) The union would not allow it.

    • Chris C.

      “he will have 14 years of clean baseball on his slate….”

      Yeah, sure.

      He couldn’t clean up when he was warned well in advance that a test was coming, but he quit right after that “positive” because of some epiphany he had while lying in bed one night? Bullshit.
      All he did was switch over to the undetectable HGH.

      He took roids in Texas because he felt the pressure to perform, but didn’t feel that same pressure in New York??

      “…….. at the end of his career and if/when the Hall of Fame voters look at those years excluding 2001-2003 he’s in. Unfortunately I don’t think they will”

      Maybe because they’re not stupid. I mean, how many times did the guy mention GNC, a place that has NEVER carried the roid he tested positive for?
      The guy handpicked the network, handpicked the interviewer, then made every excuse in the book while bashing the messanger as a stalker…………with ZERO follow-up by the brain-dead Gammons.

      Who took that interview seriously?

  • Mike R.

    No matter what happens with A-Rod’s season the media will point back to this. If he does well it’s because he got the “monkey off of his back” if he struggles in the clutch he will be “putting added pressure on himself to prove he doesn’t need that stuff”. If he gets injured “his body is falling apart from years of steroid abuse”. all he can do is go out there and mash.

  • inman

    i’ve never been the biggest a-rod fan but have always cheered for him. after seeing his interview today i’m willing to give him a second chance and let him prove to everyone that he is now speaking the truth.
    i really hope he’s not lying because i actually want him to do better now. not in a selfish yankee fan sort of way, but i want it for him and his family/ friends. i’m sure he must know he has no second chance. for your personal integrity i hope you dont screw it up alex.

    • Chris C.

      Honestly, how long can people continually be taken for fools.
      I guess forever.

  • Rich

    It’s easier for me to move on (forgiveness was never really the issue from my perspective) mostly because of his admission, but also because of the moronic, self-righteous mediots who will never be satisfied until A-Rod either unilaterally rescinds his contract and/or hits himself over the head with his bat.

    Perhaps the strangest take I have read is from Ken Rosenthal, who inexplicably thinks that A-Rod threw the 103 other players who tested positive under the bus by coming clean.

    Rodriguez evidently believed the upside of trying to salvage his reputation was greater than the downside of any potential fallout from his ESPN interview.

    Well, by “coming clean,” he has compromised the other 103 players who tested positive in ’03, putting pressure on them to be just as forthcoming if their identities are revealed.

    But Rodriguez isn’t worried about them, is he?

    Um yeah, Ken. As if you and your twisted colleagues wouldn’t have butally excoriated A-Rod if he had denied the report. And thanks for demonstrating that your IQ < 100.

    • whozat

      What the hell? What did Rosenthal want him to do?

    • BigBlueAL

      Are you kidding me???? If anything he did the opposite and went out of his way not to throw people under the bus. I mean he couldve complained about being outed and said how about the names of the other players on the list????

      You can criticize some aspects of his interview, but that’s not certainly one of them.

      • RCK

        Agreed. One of my favorite parts of the interview was that he refused to name names on who gave him the drugs. I don’t believe for a second that he didn’t talk to Boras about it, but I’m really impressed that he refused to implicate his agent or anyone else. Rosenthal’s reaction is the classic example of Alex being raked over the coals no matter what he does.

    • Memo

      Wow that was a pure ignorance on Rosenthal’s part.

  • Dave

    Excellent job ben even if I didnt agree with you by the end I think you would have had me convinced because it was so nicely written but in fact, I agreed with every single word you said. This is not some complex maze arod now has run to win back the fan that are so willing to put this behind them. The task is simple and its the same task we give him every single season but this year, he has to follow through obviously, with the rest of the teams help. This team is poised – it is on the precipice of a historic season. Its got all the right pieces.

    Aging stars that are on their way out the door so this might be their last chance for another championship in matsui, pettitte and likely damon, proven guys who have been around the block in Jeter, Mo and Posada and know how to win it all and an infusion of young, talented youth who will lead this team into the next decade in Wang, Tex, CC, Joba and Burnett. And of course, there are the guys that can use a championship season to prove their worth as players in swish/nady, Cano, Melky/Gardner, Hughes and Melancon. And in the center of it all, we have the games biggest superstar coming off a tumultuous off season but onto the best team he has ever been on in his life surrounding by talent that will support him and motivated to prove that he does not need any roids to be the games biggest hero on the worlds biggest stage.

    This is our 2009 NY yankees folks -it is a fierce, motivated, diverse, richly talented team new infused with youth and more of the best talent in the game. We have a stacked rotation which rivals anyone for the best in baseball with significant youth and depth and we have a lineup who still holds the possibility of scoring 1000 runs if everyone could stay healthy with the best bench we have had this century.

    We have a bullpen in which any one could emerge as a star as there is not many proven talent but there is certainly no lack whatsoever in talent and we have a young ex player manager That certainly proved he knows what he is doing during the game and really only needs to show the world how good he can do once he steps off the field. but all of these minor problms and all of these individual talents will fuse together to become the best yankee team in a decade if they can put there individual talents together using just the right mix to concoct a brilliant production. I know its got the pieces and i KNOW this team can do it and as jake taylor from major league once said, “THERE IS ONLY ONE THING LEFT TO DO, WIN THE WHOOLE FUCKIN THING!” Get ready for a good one boys because I dont think this team is going to let us down.

    • http://ibbw.wordpress.com Jamie

      +1 on the Major League quote.

      “It’s either a *leg* thing or a *spiritual* thing, or a *psychological* thing, or a *heart attack*”

  • http://poormansanalyst.wordpress.com/ dan

    No matter what A-Rod does this season, he’s going to look bad. If he hits 10 home runs in April, it’s because he’s still juicing. If he struggles and hits .265 with 3 homers, it’s because he’s off steroids now. He’s going to have to be like Albert Pujols and hit for the same avg/obp/slg in every single month this season.

  • Jimmy

    “To them, I say what athlete wouldn’t if someone else told them how great it was? I have been around collegiate athletes; I’ve been around gyms. I see how people take supplements without doing much research. If the label says it’s good, if your buddy says it works wonders on your recovery time or your biceps, it’s a lot harder to say no. Add in a few hundred million dollars, some fawning coverage of Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa and, in 2001, Barry Bonds, and it all adds up to PED use in the mind of a susceptible 26-year-old.”

    Come on. Someone worth 1/4 billion at the time and you want to refer to him as a susceptible 26-year-old. Someone that had been in the majors since he was 18, was the #1 draft pick, widely recognized as Scott Boras’ most loyal client (until the opt-out debacle) is compared to a collegiate athlete or someone around gyms. As a former Division I college athlete (not that long ago) I will tell you that implying that collegiate athletes taking creatine or some other over the counter supplement has any relevance to Arod “juicing” is flat out stupid. Most college athletes know what they put in their bodies. Sure there are exceptions, but never by the guys that are really good, especially if it involves “steroids”. The sad part is that most athletes are clean, but you choose to believe ARod’s excuses of a “loosie-goosie” era. Even in this rampant steroid era of baseball only 104 tested positive in 2003 (just over 5%). I am not naive enough to believe that that is all of the users, but even assuming that 80% of the users were able avoid detection it would mean that 25% were using and 75% were clean. That is not “everyone using” and certainly wouldn’t justify a pressure to keep up, especially given Arod’s passed performance and his already cashing in on the richest payday in sports history. The was an average of just over 3 players per team that failed that test and Arod was one of them. Given my aggressive assumption of 25% of all players using, that still puts him in a category of 10 out of 40 from the 40-man roster that were using. Go ahead and cheer for the cheat and believe his story of “feeling pressure” to use steroids, just like Scott Boras planned when he wrote Arod’s apology for him.

    • Ed

      That is not “everyone using” and certainly wouldn’t justify a pressure to keep up

      When you look at the pressure to use steroids, you have to break it into two groups:

      The first is the guys like Randy Velarde. He wasn’t using steroids to get awesome stats, he was using them to squeeze a few more years out of his career to get a little more money for his family. He made most of his money in the last few years of his career, and was probably the difference between having to start a new career and being able to retire. Also, his competition was with guys like Wilson Betemit, fighting it out to earn the utility role.

      The other group is the A-Rod, Bonds, McGwire, Sosa type guys. Its pretty clear at this point that Bonds wasn’t happy just being one of the best players, he wanted to be *the* best player. His steroid usage was directly in response to McGwire using. So that’s another aspect of the pressure.

      And as for the everyone using bit, looking at the 2001 Rangers roster. Pudge, Caminiti, Palmero, Velarde, Curtis, A-Rod. That’s most of the lineup using PEDs. I can see where he got that perception.

      • Jimmy

        I’ll give the first group and even add the AAA level player that has always dreamed of making it to the majors as situations where one may feel “pressure” for that little extra.

        But when it comes from the best players, with the biggest contracts, at the peaks of their careers it is not “pressure” it is pure ego driven selfishness.

  • LeftyLarry

    ARod is an idiot and has shown himself that way almost right from the beginning.
    He killed I believe his former HS team mate Russ Davis for no good reason when Yankees traded him to Seattle and then killed his good friend Jeter for no good reason also.
    He did steroids and lied because he thought he could get away with it and his personal life is and has been ridiculous also.
    MAdonna and Kaballah?????
    Great talent, real dope.
    I root for him anyway.

  • Jimmy

    “More often than not, liars look down when telling a story. It’s as if they are thinking of what to say next. It is a well known and well studied reflexive psycho-social reaction that people who are truthfully recounting a real event look up when trying to recall the details. They are looking up and mentally picturing the events that they are talking about almost as if they are looking at their brain for answers. Liars look down because they are not remembering but creating a story and they need to look at a blank canvas, like the ground, in order to spin their story and make it convincing. It’s a way of concentrating on what is being said and making it work with what has already been said, in other words convincingly lying.” – About.com

    Try watching Arod’s confession again.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      All of a sudden everyone is a behavioral psychologist. I’ve watched the confession and I see a camera so close to his face that you can’t really tell exactly in what direction he’s looking. How do you know he’s not just looking at Gammons who’s a good six inches shorter than A-Rod?

      Look, I’m fully aware that people who are Yankees and for some reason don’t like A-Rod will find every reason to think he was lying. But give me a break.

      • BigBlueAL

        I never saw Arod looking down at all. If anything there were times he paused and was looking up and i guess recounting what happened or whatever that About.com statement said.

      • Jimmy

        This post was meant to be funny and not a personal attack on your man crush with Ste-Rod, I mean A-Roid, or is it A-Fraud. Nowhere do I claim to be a behavioral psychologist, but merely quoted an article from About.com.

        I have been a Yankee fan since the day I was born, literally. My father was watching Chambliss’ HR as my mom was giving birth to twins on October 14th 1976. I loved the Arod trade, and was a big fan of Arod’s until I started watching him everyday, and saw his uncomfortable bat wringing in tight spots, but I still cheered on, knowing that a HR in the 1st or 3rd innings mean just as much as one in the 9th. I have never booed him, or any Yankee for that matter, because I root for the Yankees even when they don’t come through. I even agreed with his sentiment regarding the Jeter comparison years ago, even if I thought he could have kept it to himself. I never blamed him for the Yanks lack of success, especially given his production and the lack of production and health of the rotation over the last few years. I desperately wanted him to overtake Bonds as the HR leader, for there to be a clean record holder and not the me-first, chemically enhanced, couldn’t deal with Griffey being better than me, arrogant prick that currently holds that spot. All that said, I was not surprised by Saturday’s news, but extremely disappointed. It made me think of Martha Stewart and Dennis Kozlowski and Winona Ryder and Barry Bonds and all the other high powered cheats and crooks. I started to debate with myself whether there is an moral difference between their actions and people of much less wealth and stature acting on an inside stock tip, or avoiding sales taxes, or shop lifting, or using steroids. Does the AAA lifer that takes steroids to make it too the bigs deserve the same scorn as the selfish stats driven star “who raced [his] own race”. I tend to at least feel sympathy for that AAA player, or someone who shoplifts because all their friends have something and they can’t afford it, or the person who tries to avoid sales tax because they can’t afford their mortgage even though I have never been in any of those positions. They are just as wrong in their actions yet their motives seem much more understandable. I even find myself believing Andy because it was McNamee in the Mitchell Report that said he wanted something to get him back on the field faster to help his teammates – yes that is where my bias shows, but I’ll admit it. But I cannot get on board with forgiving those in positions of power that choose to cheat, lie, steal for no other reason than to seek more adoration or wealth than they already have unworldly amounts of. These people don’t feel pressure to cheat, they feel entitled to it and that is why I don’t believe ARod. So, why don’t you give me a break, and allow me to find the humor in his obviously painfully, but also painfully rehearsed admission of guilt.

      • Jimmy

        Also Ben, I am not sure what interview you watched, but he clearly lifted his head and looked to the right of the camera every time he made eye contact with Gammons and clearly looked down and to his left every time he found it difficult to come up with the response he wanted to give. Plus the camera wasn’t anywhere near his face, a close up is achieved using a telephoto lens, hence the out of focus background and compressed spacing. The reverse shot of Peter Gammons (1 min. 41 sec. into the interview) clearly shows that there is no camera intruding on Arod’s personal space, in fact you can’t see the camera because it is so far away it is out of the shot. This was a professional interview shoot not some paparazzi assault.

      • Dave M

        The only time I saw him look down was when he was reaching for is bottle of water.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          It was a bottle of Fiji water, too.

          WHAT’S THE MATTER, STER-ROD!??!? GOOD OLD TAP WATER AND HONEST, HARD WORK NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR YA? YOU HAVE TO CHEAT AND DRINK ENHANCED WATER FROM SOME OTHER COUNTRY?!?!?!?!?!

      • mustang

        “aware that people who are Yankees and for SOME REASON don’t like A-Rod ”

        Are you kidding me the last few days alone? From his opt-outs during the World Series to his sometimes less then clutch performances (refer this pass August). The guy is an elite player, but he carries a shit load of baggage with him. They don’t call him ” the Lightening Rod” for nothing.
        Oh did I forget is huge ego.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          You keep saying that ARod has a “huge ego”. Where the hell do you get that from?

          If watching him for the last 5 years has taught us anything, it’s that ARod probably doesn’t have a big enough ego; he’s hypersensitive and extremely self-doubting.

          • mustang

            “he’s hypersensitive and extremely self-doubting”
            Agree on the field.
            Off the field its another story.

            • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              Okay, so what/where is this off-the-field “massive ego” you speak of?

              Lying to Katie Couric? It doesn’t take ego to lie to someone. Insecure people with no self-confidence lie all the time.

              • mustang

                Come on tommie you know how much A-Rod would help his own cause if he shut the fuck up every once in while.

                Play the game, hit HR and go the fuck home.

                Other players seem capable of this why can’t he.

                It would be nice to someday talk about the Yankees and A_Rod instead of
                A-Rod and the Yankees.

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Again, none of that is “massive ego”. The press obsesses about ARod because he’s the best player on the team. The media makes ARod a lightning rod for controversy, not the other way around. None of this is ARod having a massive ego, it’s the press and the public obsessing and analyzing his every move.

          • Chris C.

            You keep saying that ARod has a “huge ego”. Where the hell do you get that from?

            I think anyone who tested positive for steroids in 2003 has a huge ego.
            They actually felt that is wasn’t that important to clean up for the test, because they were untouchable thanks to their iron-clad union protecting their status.
            THAT’S ego, my friend.

            Yeah, AROD is a hyper-sensative….BECAUSE he’s constantly trying to feed his ego, and can never feed it enough.

      • Chris C.

        “Look, I’m fully aware that people who are Yankees and for some reason don’t like A-Rod will find every reason to think he was lying.”

        Think he was lying? He WAS lying.
        There’s no trespassing report on the reporter, his roids were NEVER sold at GNC, and he KNEW he tested positive no later than 2004!

        Do you honestly believe that Alex Rodriquez could come up with the statement, “I couldn’t tell her the truth because to that point, I wasn’t even being honest with myself!”????
        That shit is in Psychology textbooks!

    • whozat

      Whatever, dude. I spent two years in therapy, and when you’re talking about shit that’s hard to bring up, you just need to break eye contact sometimes. It’s tough to look right into the eyes of someone when you’re bringing up stuff that you’re ashamed of. You can’t bear that they’re there, seeing you and bearing witness to your shame. My therapist had this carpet with a lot of funky designs on it, so I spent a lot of time looking at that. When I was searching around in my head, I’d look up, and around the room. But when I was working myself up to something, I’d look down at that carpet, or past her at the shelf behind her, just to not be looking at her face.

      I think that trying to judge whether he was lying from the angle of his eyes on an oblique TV angle is ri-goddamn-diculous.

      • Jimmy

        As per the above reply, I was trying to find humor in what is a dark day in Yankee land and by no means was I claiming to be an expert. I certainly did not want to offend anyone who has found themselves uncomfortably talking about serious personal issues. I apologize for the lack of clarity of my posts and for any offense you may have taken from it.

      • Dave M

        I hope you weren’t in therapy because you were stalking people from weblogs? :-)

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          No, whozat was in therapy because, according to Joe Torre, he has a “Single White Female-ish obsession” with Derek Jeter.

    • LiveFromNewYork

      Yes About.com is THE authority on whether Arod is lying. Give it a rest dude.

  • Yankees=warriors

    I’m glad that he confessed, and I forgive him. But that’s it.

    I’ve heard some fans say they’re “proud” of A-Rod for confessing, and that’s not putting things in perspective.
    Just because he confessed doesn’t justify what he did.
    The only players we should be “proud” of are the ones who DIDN’T use ANY substance during that shameful era.
    They stood against the tide and did what was right.

    That said, I’ll be cheering for A-Rod come opening day.

    • Chris C.

      I’m glad that he confessed, and I forgive him. But that’s it.

      Yeah, what a stand-up guy!
      Here were his choices: Confess, because there’s solid proof………or deny, and look like Clemens.

      Tough choice.

  • A Hind

    arod is lying in this interview, its obvious, he is lying about the past, but i do believe that from now on he will be clean, either that or he has the biggest balls in the tri-sate area, but he’s a liar, he’s lying.

    • Jimmy

      I’m pretty sure the steroids took care of the biggest balls issue.

  • Tom Zig

    Welcome to the modern day Salem Witch Trials.

    Admit and ye shall be forgiven but forever tarnished. Deny and ye shall be hung.

  • CB

    So if Barry Bonds came out tomorrow and held a press conference admitting to some sort of steroid use, would all of you who are so easily giving A-Rod a pass treat Bonds the same way? After all, Bonds has presumably many years of “clean” baseball on his stat sheet and he is basically in the same situation–a steroid denier who is about to get caught with hard evidence. I’m just curious to see if there’s a double standard because only one of these guys has 9 years to go on our favorite team.

    It’s one thing to do drugs when “everyone else is doing it” but it’s another entirely to just lie about it. This was not A-Rod simply getting busted and apologizing. This is a guy who let everyone believe he was the “clean” slugger who would rewrite the record books to erase the damage done by steroid villain Barry Bonds. Instead, years after trying to get away with it, he’s busted and only then shows contrition.

    Like the rest of his career, once again A-Rod seems to be playing a part from a carefully written script. A few near tears on TV doesn’t change that. He may be a great hitter on his own, but his legacy is forever tarnished, no matter how many WS championships he might bring to NY.

    • Tom Zig

      Ok well what if he hits a game winning home run off papelbon in the bottom of the 9th Game 7 of the ALCS. Then hits another game winning home run off k-rod in the bottom of the 9th in game 7 of the WS?

    • La Costco Nostra

      Look at you, CB, with the venting. Get it all out of your system now, cause if we go all the way and come out of it with a ring this year, I don’t wanna see you moping around about A-Rod’s tarnished career stat legacy.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      “This is a guy who let everyone believe he was the “clean” slugger who would rewrite the record books to erase the damage done by steroid villain Barry Bonds. “

      ARod never spun the hackneyed yarn that he was the “clean”, steroid-free hero who would take back the record from the evil cheat Barry. That was the press and the public.

      Don’t blame ARod for being falsely holier-than-thou, blame journalists and fans for naïvely wanting a simple resolution to a complex problem.

      • Chris C.

        “ARod never spun the hackneyed yarn that he was the “clean”, steroid-free hero who would take back the record from the evil cheat Barry.”

        No, he just let other people spin it………..including his agent, who wrote a 150 page pamphlet and handed it out to every GM in the game, talking about how he was the American Dream, pure as the mountain snow.

        If you are paid to do an interview to a national audience, and you are asked if you used steroids, you say no, then proof pops up a year or two later that you did, that makes you a big fat lying cheat.
        And that is one yarn that isn’t so hackneyed.

  • http://theenlighteneddespot.com NC Saint

    I don’t forgive him, because I still don’t see what to forgive. I think Matt Yglesias (political blogger) is pretty much right:

    After all, what kind of big-time baseball star would willingly eschew a performance-enhancing substance whose use was widespread among his teammates and competitors and which there was no serious policy in place to prevent? It would have to be someone who wasn’t taking his baseball skills all that seriously.

    As usual from him, this is hyperbole. I’m sure plenty of serious players steered clear on ethical or other grounds. But the fact is that there have always been plenty of ways of cheating in baseball that are practically encouraged. There is even performance enhancing drug abuse that no one has ever cared much about (amphetamines, etc.)

    Maybe it’s good that we are making steroids a bigger issue. But the rules of the game said, roughly “steroids are illegal, but not so illegal that we will try to find out if you are using them or punish you if we somehow do find out.”

    On top of all that, A-Rod, though perfectly harmless, has always been something of a self-centered douchebag (and I say that as a defender of the man). I can see why people are surprised. But disapppointed? Ninja, please.

  • Chuck

    Wasnt part of this dudes huge contract those bonuses for breaking records? I dont think he should collect them if he does it.

    • TheLastClown

      Luckily for A-Rod you don’t have a say in how his contract is interpreted.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Why shouldn’t he? They’re still records and historic milestones. The fact that some of those milestones were set by players on steroids, or that ARod may pass those milestones with the help of steroids, does not invalidate the milestones.

      Again, you’re opening up a huge Pandora’s box here if you want to start picking and choosing which milestones are okay and which are suspect. As mentioned in a previous thread, Pud Galvin was allegedly taking monkey testosterone back in the 1890’s. If you want to claim that Barry Bonds’s 762 shouldn’t count because he was using performance enhancing substances, you can’t turn a blind eye to the evidence that says that ALL baseball records are dubious because performance enhancing substances have existed since the dawn of baseball.

      • Chris C.

        Honestly dude, I used to think alot more of you than I do now, thanks to these ridiculous posts. Now it wouldn’t surprise me one bit if you were the tool fetching AROD’s coffee.

        Pud fuckin Galvin????

  • LiveFromNewYork

    Some people are lightening rods for overreaction and some people, to the detriment of everyone else, tend to skate. For some, it doesn’t matter what they do, they will be hated. For others, they get a free pass.

    Arod should be called lightening rod. The Yankees too. Everything they do will be put under a microscope. And many others (Red Sox) will skate in the court of public opinion.

    And many will grab onto the smallest thing to rev up the hate machine. Not that PEDs are small but many people are already hating the Yankees for their winter signings that are legal and we all support. So while we can condemn what Arod did we should support the fact that he didn’t do anything as yankee and contributes mightily to the team.

  • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

    “Personal goals of any sort are meaningless at this point for him. The only solution he has is to lead the Yankees back to the World Series. He’s a few big October hits away from Yankee fans not caring what he did. Fans from the other teams didn’t like him anyway.”

    http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/02/09/is-the-upside-a-huge-season/

    This is my hope of a silver lining coming out of this.

  • Januz

    I listened very carefully to the interview and overall he did a good job ( And this from a prime Alex Rodriguez critic). I have read some people essentially saying if you win all is forgiven. The winning or not, and drug use should be totally seperate issues. If he used performance enhancing drugs in Seattle or in particular, the Bronx, then the Hall of Fame and Monument Park should be shut to him, no questions asked.
    I can tell you, that I am tired of this mess in professional sports. Alex Rodriguez and baseball are ripped to shreads over steroids and cheating, while other sports are NOT taken over the coals (Pete Rose banned from the Hall of Fame, while Paul Horurnig is in, yet he did the same thing (Betting on the sport)comes to mind). In addition, stuff like the deaths of former Steelers Mike Webster and Steve Courson, due in large part to suspected drug use are very much glossed over (This from a Steelers fan, who grew up with those teams).
    As for the winning, over time, it loses a lot of luster, and love if you have a known cheater such as Clemens, or Webster on your team (The 2000 Yankee team comes to mind). The teams you remember and love the most are the ones you believe did it right (Such as the 80s Islanders and the 96 Yankees). Let me put it this way, 20 years from now, I want my memory of Andy Pettitte to be Game 5 of the 1996 World Series, NOT admitted drug use.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      If he used performance enhancing drugs in Seattle or in particular, the Bronx, then the Hall of Fame and Monument Park should be shut to him, no questions asked.

      Are we pulling Mickey Mantle’s number down off the wall? Because if you don’t think Mickey was doing truckloads of amphetamines, you’re deluding yourself.

      • Chris C.

        “Are we pulling Mickey Mantle’s number down off the wall? Because if you don’t think Mickey was doing truckloads of amphetamines, you’re deluding yourself.”

        Oh, fucking stop it already!!!!!!
        Mantle was doing shit to remedy his hangovers and injuries. If you want to go down this road chief, you should also know that Mantle’s knees would have been fixed like new if he played today!

  • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

    As much as we would all like to move past this, its not over. When the Selena Roberts book comes out on May 19th, there will be all sorts of salacious stuff in their about Alex’s off the field life. Steroids, and stuff about his sex life (and even sexual preference) is rumored to be in this book.

    http://themoderatevoice.com/26330/alex-rodriguez-admits-using-performance-enhancing-drugs/

    You can choose to believe or disbelieve her, but there’s no doubt that the book will cause ANOTHER huge firestorm surrounding Alex.

    • Januz

      I am no fan of Ms. Roberts, and these Kitty Kelly type books, and expose’s. That being said, if this guy is a sexual pervert, and it can be documented as fact, I done with this team, unless he is quits or the team releases him. I remember the Peterson/Kekich wife swapping, the strikes, Steve Howe, Ed Whitson, steroids, and many other things. I always stuck by the Yankees, through thick and thin (Including being for the New Stadium, which was totally against the grain, and getting suspended from school as a teenager for not watching “Roots” over the summer. The reason: “I admitted refusing to give up Yankee Games on TV or radio”), I can’t spend nine years rooting for the likes of Alex Rodriguez, IF THE ALLIGATIONS ARE VERIFIED.
      I know people such as TSJC, disagree with me (Like his Mantle comment) , and I respect his opinion (Although I am 180 degrees polar opposite on this issue (And I bet on a few more, such as politics)). That said, nobody, and that includes Gooden, Strawberry, Howe, Clemens, and even Whitson, have done anything that would compare with Alex Rodriguez. I called number 13, Mr. Jinx. Because of his time spent in the Bronx, and where the fortunes of the Yankees and Red Sox shifted, since he arrived. If anything, I underestimated how much damage he has (And still can cause) to this team.
      I can honestly say I hope and pray that this book is not proven to be fact, because 40 Years of being a Yankee fan (Yes, I started when the METS won their first World Series, and being a Yankee fan was not fashionable), will have went down the toilet.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        I am no fan of Ms. Roberts, and these Kitty Kelly type books, and expose’s. That being said, if this guy is a sexual pervert, and it can be documented as fact, I done with this team, unless he is quits or the team releases him. I remember the Peterson/Kekich wife swapping, the strikes, Steve Howe, Ed Whitson, steroids, and many other things.

        Wait, “sexual pervert”? What the hell does that mean? What allegations would constitute sexual “perversion” in your mind? Threeways? Gay sex? Autoerotic asphyxiation? Because that’s a really dumb reason to dislike someone and an even worse reason to stop rooting for a team, and just like my above statement, if you think that ARod is the first Yankee to be a sexual “pervert” (whatever that means), you’re deluding yourself.

        To be perfectly honest, if ARod being a sexual “pervert” causes you to stop rooting for the Yankees, I sincerely hope something comes out in that book that you find “perverted”, because I don’t want to be a fan of the same team that you root for. You don’t deserve to be a Yankee fan if your fandom is that petty, tenuous, and narrowminded.

        I always stuck by the Yankees, through thick and thin (Including being for the New Stadium, which was totally against the grain, and getting suspended from school as a teenager for not watching “Roots” over the summer. The reason: “I admitted refusing to give up Yankee Games on TV or radio”), I can’t spend nine years rooting for the likes of Alex Rodriguez, IF THE ALLIGATIONS ARE VERIFIED.

        I’m glad you’re such a loyal Yankee fan to risk suspension to root for your team (although I find the notion that you were suspended for not watching a miniseries during the summer farfetched)… and thus it’s sad that you’re willing to throw this away over steroids (or sexual “perversion”). And perplexing that ARod’s steroids are the tipping point when he’s far from the first Yankee to have taken steroids. But whatever. The allegations are true: it’s time for you to quit the Yankees. Go on, we’ll try our best to get along without you.

        I know people such as TSJC, disagree with me (Like his Mantle comment) , and I respect his opinion (Although I am 180 degrees polar opposite on this issue (And I bet on a few more, such as politics)). That said, nobody, and that includes Gooden, Strawberry, Howe, Clemens, and even Whitson, have done anything that would compare with Alex Rodriguez. I called number 13, Mr. Jinx. Because of his time spent in the Bronx, and where the fortunes of the Yankees and Red Sox shifted, since he arrived. If anything, I underestimated how much damage he has (And still can cause) to this team.

        Again, how ARod can be the straw that broke the camel’s back when Pettite, Clemens, Giambi, Justice, etc. etc. etc. before him did the same thing… whatever. But the “fortunes of the team” didn’t shift because of ARod. That’s just the narrative that fits neatly with the predetermined moral of the story you’d like to believe in. I hope you have fun with your narratives rooting for the Pirates or whatever, because the allegations are true: ARod did steroids and is a sexual pervert. It’s time for you to jump ship. Have fun rooting for Pittsburgh (even though they probably have a handful of guys who used steroids and are sexual perverts.)

        I can honestly say I hope and pray that this book is not proven to be fact, because 40 Years of being a Yankee fan (Yes, I started when the METS won their first World Series, and being a Yankee fan was not fashionable), will have went down the toilet.

        For you, yes, they have. Inflexibility is a bitch, isn’t it? I wish I could feel sorry for you, but I’m probably a steroid abuser who is a sexual pervert, so you shouldn’t listen to anything I say.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=15305165&ref=profile Doug

          oh man. ETHERED.

  • RobC

    I think A-Rod did a good job of admitting his mistake while not throwing large numbers of people under the bus.
    Are we really to beileve their were people in baseball who did not know about the wide spread PED use?
    I would have liked to see him do a Giambi and admit his wrong then call on others to do so.
    Time for MLB to fess up

  • JimT

    Ben you don’t have to believe this guy, you shouldn’t believe this guy, in fact how can you believe a word this guy says. Once a liar and a cheat always a liar and cheat. The guy is a great baseball player but that’s it. There is no honor here, he was foarced to this admission. If he had his way he would have continued to live with the “clean” faslehood. Someone suggested that he should become a spokesperson for anti steroid use. You’ve got to be kidding!

    Watch the guy play baseball and appreciate his considerable athletic skills but don’t kid yourselves about the guy’s honesty or moral fiber.

    • mustang

      Totally agree.
      But maybe he should donate some of his millions to educate kids on the harms of steroid use. A-Rod still has the ability to do some good here not only on the field , but off the field.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Someone suggested that he should become a spokesperson for anti steroid use. You’ve got to be kidding!

      FWIW, having worked in restorative justice programs, some of the very best and most effective counselors to keep kids out of trouble with the law are remorseful ex-convicts.

      • JimT

        Tommie
        Key word is remorseful. Sorry, but I just don’t buy this guy’s act. However, he isn’t alone. One can’t come away from this mess thinking that there is still much to be learned and the people involved are more concerned about being caught than being reformed.

  • mustang

    The bottom line is that A-Rod will NEVER be better then Ruth or Aaron no matter how many HR he hits that was sealed on Saturday. Hopefully we can now move pass this and on to the game of baseball.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      If you were truly interested in “moving past this and onto the game of baseball”, you’d drop your petty grandstanding and admit that performance enhancing substances have been around since the dawn of baseball and that it’s inconsistent, historically unaccurate, and unfair to the game to pick and choose which records are legitimate and which aren’t.

      ARod absolutely still has a chance to be better than Aaron and Ruth. It all depends on how his career finishes out. Dude is one of the most talented ballplayers ever.

      • mustang

        Ok,
        Aaron, Mantle and Ruth all shot riods.

        And as talented as he is he still felt compelled to take this shit.
        I don’t buy it and never will.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Aaron, Mantle, and Ruth may damn well have shot roids. They all likely at least used amphetamines, and if you don’t think that enhanced their performance, you’re deluding yourself. There’s a reason Selig and the MLB are slow to address the amphetamines question: they know it will widen the range of “dubious statistics” from the 1980’s-present to the 1920’s-present.

          And as talented as he is he still felt compelled to take this shit.

          That’s the point: THE VERY BEST PLAYERS, PLAYERS WHO NEED IT THE LEAST, ARE TAKING IT. That should tell you it’s not an isolated case where 5-10% of the league is on the stuff, it should tell you that 70-90% of the league is likely on the stuff if the very best of the best are using. It should tell you that sports likely has a PED culture so deep, widespread, and pervasive that almost every athlete in almost every sport is likely using, and that every athletic accomplishment or record or historical mark ever made is a combination of human bodies and scientific/chemical enhancement.

          • mustang

            Then I guess me and a lot of other people are deluding ourselves. Again I seen what roids can do first hand both the good and the bad. Comparing them to the stuff in the past is ridiculous.

      • Yankeegirl49

        Agreed…I totally think all the players with stats worthy, should be in the hall. Until we know EVERYONE that EVER used..which we never will, the ones that got caught shouldnt be omitted while others that may not have are lauded.
        This era will go down in history as the “steroid era” and future generations will know that there is a good chance a lot of these guys, not just the ones named were using.

      • mustang

        And by the way tommie nothing that was around in the past does what riods do. I live in the gym and seen the effect first hand. To compare is ridiculous.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Take greenies away from Ruth and Aaron and you’re cutting their HR numbers in August and September every year in half. Those guys would be dragging come the end of the year.

          • mustang

            And if you add roids to Ruth and Aaron they probably be still hitting 40 plus HR in their 40’s.

            We are going to have to agree to disagree on this one my friend.

            • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              If steroids were as readily available and as openly accepted in the 1920’s as they were in the 1990’s, Babe Ruth would have been juicing his ass off.

      • Januz

        I cannot believe you actually think this guy can be better than Ruth. Lets look at numbers starting with his pitching records and .342 batting average. He will never be Aaron, Mays, Gehrig, Foxx, DiMaggio, Mantle, Pujols, Manny, Hornsby, or Williams (A man who gave up FIVE prime years of his career to serve this coun try in two wars), let alone Babe Ruth.

        • mustang

          What are you talking about it’s A-Rod?
          LOL

          Totally agree.

        • mustang

          Don’t know about Pujols or Manny, but I agree with the others.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          And what if ARod hits .400/.600/.800 the next four years? What if ARod has an insane last 9 years of his career and finishes with an OPS+ of 210, beating out Ruth’s 207?

          I didn’t say he was going to be better than Ruth or Aaron. I said he could possibly be better than Ruth or Aaron. ARod’s not retired yet, fellas, he’s got a lot of baseball still left in front of him.

  • Joe R

    What do you guys think will happen if his name isnt actually on the list? Does that make the story less believable?

  • Jay CT

    I pretty much agree Ben, except that part where you said that you believe there are dumb baseball players. ARod said he had never heard about the name of the steroid, which I don’t believe. Unlike you or I, or a collegiate athlete or in a local gym, ARod’s body is worth hundreds of millions of dollars. He worked his ass off, became the best player while staying clean, and then deciding to try something new. I just think its hard to swallow the pill that he had never heard of it, or didn’t research it. The first thing I hear of in regards to side effects are small balls; he wouldn’t at least say, “Hey, whats this stuffs side effects? Am I not going to be able to have sex anymore?” etc… Just feel thats a bit of a lie

    • MattG

      Oh, I totally believe that. Its not just the supplements–they don’t ask about anything. They really, truly do not know. What they do know is what they want to achieve. That might be how many home runs they want to hit, or even more basic stuff–“I want to feel strong all season,” “I want to hit the ball harder.” Then some strength coach not only tells them what drugs to take, but what foods to eat, what exercises to do, when and how often to eat and exercise, and everything else. What’s more, since results are dependent upon mixing stuff up (so your body doesn’t adapt to a point where you can do your workout, but not really gain at anything else), this coach is going to constantly be changing the stuff the do, eat, and put in there body. At some point, the player is going to just trust the coach and do what he says.

      They will ask about the side effects, but the trusted coach will say, “That’s only if you do it wrong. Just do it like I am telling you to, and you’ll be fine.”

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Trainer/Clubhouse Guy/Teammate: Try this, dude, it’ll help you stay in top shape.
        Player: Is it okay to take? Legal?
        Trainer/Clubhouse Guy/Teammate: Not really, but nobody checks.
        Player: Any side effects?
        Trainer/Clubhouse Guy/Teammate: Nope. This is the stuff ___________ used, and he’s always been fine.
        Player: Alright, give it to me.

        … aaaaaaaaaaaaaand, SCENE!

        • MattG

          In the parody movie, yes. In the real movie, the trainer and player probably have a multi-year relationship, in which the trainer has been providing the player with advice on only legal stuff, until one day the player says, “Some guy told me about Primo…evelan, or something. Ever here of that? Can you get it?”

          And off we go.

  • cheddar

    I used to be bothered by the payroll advantage we have, especially when it came to adding guys like Mussina and Giambi to already championship-caliber teams. I understood when people complained about it. It kinda felt to me like we were piling on.

    So now they’re going to disparage any success we have this year over the A-Rod situation. Well, screw that. I’m closing ranks. I never liked the guy much, but I do now. It’s more than obvious now that this was/is a league-wide problem, but of course only our guy is fingered.

    The more people hate us over this, the more I will enjoy our success.

  • Yankeegirl49

    I have 2 things to say in this.

    First..if I hear one more person “give credit to him for admitting it” Im gonna scream. He didn’t admit it because it was the noble thing to so, he admitted it because HE GOT CAUGHT!!! Ill give him credit for being smart enough to go the Giambi/Pettitte route rather than the Bonds/McGuire/Clemens route, but thats about it. I do think he handled the interview well and I do believe that he has been clean since 04..until tests show me otherwise I have no reason not to beleive it.
    I actually think this will make him more accepted by fans as a Yankee. New Yorkers love to pick guys up when they are down and finally during the interview, whether staged or sincere, Arod showed emotion and human qualities rather than the polished rehearsed mannequin Arod we always see.

    The other thing is that it is really pissing me off that the players are dealing with the ramifications (as they should) but the MLB and MLBPA execs are not getting any repercussions. They were happy to turn a blind eye (and I will NEVER EVER believe they didnt know) when HRs were flying out of parks at record paces and fans @sses were filling the seats. Selig still has his 18 million dollar a year job, Fehr has his and Gene Orza has his.

    • Memo

      Of course he admitted it when he caught. Thats when people generally admit their wrongs. Including you.

      What some people don’t understand is you can hate that he did it, not condone and still not have some deep-seeded anger and hatred over it.

  • pat

    When I picture arod doing steroids I picture a freshman or sophmore in highschool at hid first real party. Someone gives him a cigarette and he willingly takes it to fit in and look cool. Meanwhile he’s never smoked a day in his life, is holding the friggin thing backwards and doesn’t know how to light it. When he finally gets it lit he has no idea how to actually smoke it and ends up just huffing and puffing and trying to stifle coughs and still look cool.
    I don’t think he thought he needed them he just wanted to “fit in” and be “one of the guys”. I honestly think he is so monumentally insecure with himself that he would do roids so guys thought he was cool.

  • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

    Ty Cobb stabbed a guy.

    • MattG

      But it wasn’t with a needle, so no one cares.

  • mike

    Like all of us when faced with the truth from a source, you look to find the most comfortable spot to tell your side of the story. I am a former prosecutor, and it happens every day.

    ARod chose Gammons on purpose because he knew it would not be a confrontational interview.

    Also, like all of us, he told as much truth as he could spare (does anyone think he didnt know the steroids he used?? He wasn’t asked to recall the name of the whey protein supplier – but steroids?? control freak Alex??) and glossed over or fibbed where he thought he could get bye.

    This is a risk most take – and only if there is no other shoe to drop is it an effective approach , as any info to the contrary of his epifinay in spring 2003 will be fatal.

    For his sake I hope he told as much truth as he remembered, and that he stopped when he said he did. He will soon be asked to speak under oath in Congress, and at that point we will have 3 statements from ARod ( one under oath) to compare with eachother. This is how the government builds a case, and pansies like Fehr and Boras are bullies when dealing with punk ownership spending corporate money – that quickly goes away when facing federal pressure.

    • MattG

      I just wrote about it. I do believe he did not know what steroids he took. I am sure he did ask at some point, and knew its name at one time, but I am equally sure:

      1. he trusted whomever his trainer was,
      2. the steroid was just one or two of several foods and supplements he was given, and
      3. it kept changing, and at some point he stopped asking

  • Relaunch

    He is full of it. The only reason we saw yesterdays interview was because he got caught. If Selena Roberts and others didn’t dig anything up on him, do you think in a couple weeks in spring training Arod would have had a press conference admitting his guilt?
    His new contract is based on milestones that are tainted with his past activity. He can make 30 million or more by reaching some of levels of home runs. He did this by cheating for 3 years (who knows if that is the truth anyway) as well as lying point blank when interviewed last year.
    In an economny where people are losing their houses, jobs, complaning on this site on how hard it is to get tickets to the Yanks, etc, how do you feel about the cheater making even more money while everyone else is struggling?
    If nothing was dug up on him, he would still have everyone believe he was a natural player.
    I don’t feel sorry for him and really don’t care for his apology. Like everything he does, it was scripted. He is someone that was very hard to believe and hard to like before (only like for his natural baseball talent), this just makes it even worse.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      In an economny where people are losing their houses, jobs, complaning on this site on how hard it is to get tickets to the Yanks, etc, how do you feel about the cheater making even more money while everyone else is struggling?

      Please. Just stop, seriously. We’re all grown adults here, you know that one thing has absolutely nothing at all to do with the other.

      Pathetic, half-assed smear tactics undermine any argument.

      • Relaunch

        Apparently you are not a grown adult.

        You are saying what I am saying is a pathetic, half-assed smear tactic. How so and not someone who is cheated, will get extra money for doing something he illegally took by reaching milestones?
        You are in the dellusional group of Yankee fans thinking that on one hand they can bitch about how their seats move around, how they can’t sit where they want because its too much money but the other hand you think its okay to give this cheater to get even more money than the ridiculous contract he has to reach milestones that were fueled by steroids.
        Dellusional.

        • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          [sic]

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          You are in the dellusional group of Yankee fans thinking that on one hand they can bitch about how their seats move around, how they can’t sit where they want because its too much money but the other hand you think its okay to give this cheater to get even more money than the ridiculous contract he has to reach milestones that were fueled by steroids

          I have never complained about the prices of tickets or about relocation plans. I’m a grown adult and recognize that this is a business that I can choose to patronize or choose not to patronize. If you’re going to attack my record, do it accurately. My quotes and claims and positions are all over this place, it’s easy to see what I’ve said and what I’ve argued.

  • CountryClub

    I’m glad he came out and admitted it. It’s obviously the path of least resistance. Hopefully it allows him and the team to get back to normal in a quicker fashion. But anyone who believes 10% of what he said last night is kidding themselves. Ben used a form of the word sincere numerous times in his post and I think that’s laughable. It was the same old Arod. He was as rehearsed as he possiblly could be and he didnt say anything. he didnt even say for sure say the timeframe that he was using. Gammons mentioned 3 years and Arod basically said that’s about right, haha. He didnt know what he was taking? Didnt know where he got it from? Whatever. To be clear, I can care less that he juiced. He’s never been one of my favorites (although I never booed him and hope he does well for the team’s sake) and last night was the same old, same old. But if his apology makes the issue go away quicker, then good for the Yanks.

  • Yankeegirl49

    I do believe he knew EXACTLY what he was taking and EXACTLY where he got it from. We have to remember that there are legal ramifications to what he says and Im 100% sure he has about a thousand lawyers telling him what he should and should not say.

    • John NY

      Exactly. There was no loosey goosey on this.

    • MattG

      I think you are forgetting that prior to 2004, there was no reason to know what you were taking. There were no penalties.

      When you hire people to do a job, you have some amount of trust for them. You don’t necessarily know what type of hardware you plumber is using, or what brand of motor oil Jiffy Lube is putting in your car, or (even more apt) what type of penicillin your pediatrician prescribed your child for his ear infection.

      I’m telling you, because I have been close to athletics for a long time, kids get their ideas from their peers, and their trainers. If one guy is having success, they will ask him how he did it. Some will be more concerned with the details that others, but plenty will be satisfied with a “Listen to this guy, he’ll take care of you.”

      And then, the names of the drugs are long, hard to pronounce, and they continually change. It’s not like you pop one Winstrol every day for 10 years. Its usually part of a very complicated, convoluted routine that is always in flux. I’m not sure a player could keep track of it if he wanted to.

      • Relaunch

        You do understand that you are injecting something in your boday, right? You can say jocks are dumb, but they aren’t that dumb to not wonder what goes in their body.

        Furthermore, a trainer does not have prescriptive authority to be prescribing and injecting anyone with steroids unless a doctor has approved it.

        So enough with the dumb excuse it wasn’t a penalty before 2004. Just because baseball didn’t have a PED rule until then, doesn’t mean the players didn’t have to follow the same lawys you and I do.

        • MattG

          I’m not even saying its because they are dumb.

          Once they decide to do it, what they do becomes irrelevant. Think about it. All they need to know is it is an illegal supplement. Why do they need to know more? They are not the one choosing the supplement or the dose. They are not researching it on WebMD. They have a guy they trust. In many cases, they are not even the one doing the injection. It is all done for them.

          All they need to know is they’ve decided to do it, and their reasons. That is why 2004 is a watershed moment. Prior to 2004, the reasons for doing it included, “Baseball doesn’t seem to care,” “there are no penalties,” and “Bonds, McGwire and Sosa are heroes!”

  • John NY

    Arod did the best damage control he could possibly do and he opened the door to forgiveness. However, this isn’t over. What about this leak? How did this sealed information get into SI’s hands? Who is motivated to take Arod down?

    My anger is now geared towards the league, the union and the unfairness of the clean players now all being suspects. Damn, there’s another 103 people out there who aren’t going through this.

    I saw Posada and Jeter interviews yesterday and for them to get questions about if they were worried that they were on some secret list is not fair. The Yankees, as a team, will take the brunt of this situation by default.

    My expectations are high for the ’09 Yankees. I hope the team can rally behind this situation. It’s up to Arod to not only protect hitters in the lineup, but also take the brunt of this distraction away from this teammates. I hope he finds the mental strength to do that.

  • jsbrendog

    pujols now becomes savior of the game a la arod until he is tarnished.

    lets hope not.

    • Yankees07

      Before this past Saturday, if I had to guess which guy was on the juice…I would have chosen Pujols, no doubt. He definitely has more of the “steroid look” than Arod.

      Hopefully Pujols is clean, but even if he is, I don’t think he’ll have the durability to take the record from bonds or arod. Looks like we’ll be stuck with a “tainted” record holder for quite some time.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Or, we can stop with the stupid “savior of the game” concept and realize that there is no savior of the game, that we’re never going to “come clean” from the Steroid Era, that the whole notion that we need somebody who didn’t “juice” to revalidate our records only matters if we choose to make it matter and that it shouldn’t matter because there’s no way to square the circle.

      • Memo

        I’m with you tommiesmith…. this focus on the numbers is something I can’t get into. There has always been something that can be argued helped generations before the ones before them.

        I feel like people constantly let baseball pass them by because they are so focused on numbers. You dont need to even watch the game if all you are thinking about are the numbers.

  • Jake H

    While I’ve never been a big A-Rod fan. I will root for him to overcome this.

  • Januz

    Mr Jinx (aka NUMBER 13), strikes again. I wonder when will people wake up and realize this guy is like Adam Jones, TO, John Daly and many others whose negatives are so profound, that they outweigh the positives. People talk about Manny, and his issues. This guy makes Manny look like Griffey jr, and Jeter rolled into one. At least Manny has 2 World Series rings, and does not flaunt his life-style around the back pages like Lindsay Lohan, Paris Hilton, and yes, Madonna.

    • Joe R

      Yes. Its Alex’s fault that the media hounds him and reports his every move, who he is seeing and whatever. What has he ever done that ripped a team apart or made his teamates dislike him? He’s gone out and put 110% on the field every time he plays, what he does outside of baseball is none of our business. I dont see how so many people hate him for no reason.

  • Yankees07

    I was as pissed as anyone else when I first heard the news Saturday. Call me a sucker, but Arod “won me back” last night on ESPN. I thought he was truthfull, and definitely very remorseful.

    People are now bitching that they didn’t like the way Arod apologized. What a joke! Anyone in his position would have also lied to Katie Kuric (no idea how to spell her name).
    No one is perfect, and no one would have chosen that moment to come out.

    Everyone in the media needs to get off their high horse and admit that they are not perfect either! Alex made a huge mistake, but who hasn’t?

  • Roon

    Guys im sick of all this, you know people say that we are the best fans in the world and this is our chance to prove it. yeah a-rod screwed up but he did it with the intention of pleasing everyone else around him, he did it because he was insecure and not confident in himself to know that he was enough to produce. instead he turns around and puts his life at risk to please others, im definetly not saying that it was right but you could certantly understand the purpose behind it. think about the expectations that your family and everyday life puts on you, now quantify that by a whole baseball culture that just saw you agree to the largest sum of money ever agreed to based on the hope of others that you will be the best that has ever stepped on a baseball field, that in it self is enough to bring many men down. that hope is enough to bring you down. Arod is not perfect and neither are we, im sure that 99percent of us would do the same thing in that position. so please lets stop kicking this guy while he is down, im not saying all of us are but im speaking to all us new york yankee fans, lets be the best. i know like many of you being a yankee fan is like being part of a family just like any other team and this is our shot to be the best and pick up our teammate, our family member. What are you gonna do?

  • mustang

    The new way to spell A-Rod.

    A*Rod.

    Have to have fun with this.