Feb
27

Manny rejects Dodgers again for the fourth time

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Ed. Note: The post originally scheduled for the overnight — about the new patch on the Yankee hats — will be back at 9:30 a.m. Since Manny’s rejection is timely, we wanted to toss this up as soon as we could.

I’m beginning to wonder if Manuel Aristides Ramirez actually wants to play baseball this year. For the fourth time this winter, Manny and Scott Boras have rejected an offer from the Dodgers. The latest one was a one-year offer for $25 million with a player option for 2010 at $20 million, and from the sound of it, Frank McCourt isn’t too keen to jump back to the table.

“We love Manny Ramirez,” the Dodgers owner said in a statement last night. “And we want Manny back, but we feel we are negotiating against ourselves. When his agent finds those ‘serious offers’ from other clubs, we’ll be happy to re-start the negotiations. Even with an economy that has substantially eroded since last November, out of respect for Manny and his talents, we actually improved our offer. So now, we start from scratch.”

While the Giants remain on the periphery of the Great Manny Chase, I’m beginning to wonder if Manny isn’t going to be somewhat forced to sit out. By rejecting the Dodgers again, Boras has made sure that he won’t get a comparable offer from any time. Maybe Manny should stay in top shape and wait until teams come a-knockin’ in June for that playoff drive push. Who knows which team might be able to use one of the game’s best right-handed sluggers ever by then?

Categories : Asides, Hot Stove League
  • http://statspeak.net dan

    Are you trying to get this put into the “Irresponsible rumor mongering category?”

    • http://statspeak.net dan

      Kinda messed up the quotes there

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      I prefer to think of this as insidious rumormongering instead.

  • MJ

    I don’t understand. What is he doing?

    • Joey

      Being Manny? Is there really a better explanation?

    • anonymous

      A) Crazy

      B) Genius with huge brass balls

      C) Calling Cashman as we speak

  • Joey

    omg I thought I was goin nuts there for a second, seeing the hats one second, not seeing them another, Manny popping up everywhere with random tests. pat must have slipped me one of his dolphin flogging roofies…

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      They’ll be back. Don’t worry!

    • pat

      bwahahah excellent.

    • Joey

      heh I just thought Bens random drug testing the blog for STEROIDS!1!!!!11!!!!!!1!!!

  • MJ

    He could always get a 28 million dollar offer similar to Clemens and given the choice to skip any games during the regular season, but show up mandatory on playoff games.

    • Mike Pop

      Except he would do well in the playoffs!

  • Angel

    GO FOR MANNY!!

    TRADE MATSUI!!

    • steve (different one)

      there is no market for Matsui. none.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Let’s trade him, and Kei Igawa, to Japan for Darrell Rasner.

        • steve (different one)

          even the whole “we can trade him to Seattle b/c he is Japanese” meme fell apart when they picked up Griffey for $2M or so.

          to me, the only scenario where Manny winds up in the Bronx is if he sits out the first half of the season, and takes a pro-rated deal for $30M or whatever in June.

          that, or A-Rod gets suspended sometime in the next 2 weeks, which is unlikely.

          it does seem like he’s trying to force his way to NY (what else could he be thinking?), but i just don’t see the fit right now.

  • Rich

    It’s a game of chicken.

  • http://ibbw.wordpress.com Jamie

    God imagine if Jeter was this candid and/or just an alcoholic? The press would just eat him alive.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziy8T-DL7b0

    I’m sad that I wasn’t alive to ever see Mickey play, even though I know that was like 50+ years ago and I’m in my mid 20s.

    • http://ibbw.wordpress.com Jamie

      Oh and Ben I apologize in advance, the David Letterman Interview with Mickey talking about a drunken story with him and Whitey Ford the day before a game is just too priceless to not post here. Enjoy.

    • Joey

      The interviews a year and 2 months before I was born and Letterman hasn’t changed at all, except for the hair…

      • http://ibbw.wordpress.com Jamie

        I just love how he baits Mickey for a solid 3 minutes before getting him to fold and tell a story… oh and how the entire crowd just bursts out laughing whenever he says he’s down in Florida hanging out with Billy and Whitey.

        • Joey

          just finished watching, awesome stuff, laughing my ass off. Thanks for posting that one

    • pat

      That is a f*cking awesome clip.

  • Januz

    I really wonder if the Yankees are sniffing around Manny? There are several reasons why they could be. 1: They could really stick it to Joe Torre over his book (Think Torre would like THIRD place in the NL West this year?). 2: Manny would take a lot of attention and pressure away from Arod and the steroid issue. 3: It would make them a near mortal lock for the Series this year.

    • Rich

      Without moving payroll first, no way.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

        Yeah. Too bad that BoA deal feel through, eh?

  • Joey

    Hey Ben, when you get a chance can you look into the mobile RAB, the last few days I’ve been having trouble pulling it up on my phone (AT&T Blackberry Curve), it keeps giving me the error message “A Problem Occured While Trying to Render the Page.” No problem loading other pages like ESPN, just wondering if its my phone or the google reader. Thanks

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      We’ll look. The mobile version has been a problem for a long time. It’s one the list of things to fix.

      • Joey

        Thanks, it worked for awhile with no problems at all then a few days ago just decides not to load

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

      http://www.boltbrowser.com

      That thing is freaking awesome. It’s fast and it renders things like your desktop.

  • Mike Pop

    Ben, did you hear Manny rejected the offer?

    Regardless of what you say, one of your many sick fantasies is having Manny Ramirez on the Yankees. I know it.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      Ben, did you hear Manny rejected the offer?

      That made me laugh.

      To answer your real point, from a pure baseball perspective, I love the idea of Manny’s bat in the Yankee lineup. He comes with a lot of baggage though and Buster Olney recently wrote that the baggage is one of the primary reasons why Manny’s still unsigned. The other reason is that Scott Boras has some rather zany contract ideas as evidence by this latest rejection.

      • steve (different one)

        considering the A-Rod circus that is going to follow the team all year, Manny’s “baggage” looks a lot less important than it did 3 weeks ago….

        still, it’s not going to happen. the Yankees are maxed out.

        • Mike Pop

          I agree. It’s an awesome sight to behold but it’s less likely. What we should be hoping for is he just says screw it and signs a 1 year deal. Then maybe our Yankees try to get him in 2010.

  • http://theenlighteneddespot.com NC Saint

    Considering the market and the date, the most surprising part of this story is that the Dodgers would make an offer like that to Manny in the first place. He might have to go back to his home planet to sulk for a while before he’s ready to join the other kids and play baseball again.

    • anonymous

      They saved him a locker in spring training. If the dont sign him their fan base will go ape shit. Which is probably what Boras is hoping.

      • JeffG

        If I was a Doger fan I don’t think I’d get angry about it. If Manny won’t sign a pretty good sized two year deal after sleezing his way out of his previous contract – I would not be convicted in wanting him around long term. He could really ruin the team if he magically stops performing.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

          Yes, but that would assume the Dodgers fan base is sane and/or rational. Have you BEEN to Southern California?

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Los Angeleno #1: Did you hear the Dodgers aren’t gonna bring back Manny? That’s crazy?
            Los Angeleno #2: Who the fuck are the DODGERS?!??!?!?!?!?!

            … aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand, SCENE!

  • al

    im sorry i didnt read the thread.. but he’s turning down 25 mil this year to play into borass and bring the yanks into the game… wtf..

    • Tom Zig

      I am of the opinion that the only way we bring Manny aboard is if we get a team to pick up Matsui’s entire remaining contract and then clear another couple mil on top of that.

      I think the world would explode twice over if we signed Manny.

      • anonymous

        I hear the Dodgers need a bat.

  • Mike

    I’d tell him to go F himself. If the Dodgers increase their offer again when they are bidding against themselves then they deserve to get burned. Make him sit around for a little while and come crawling back for less money. This is ridiculous.

    • Bo

      whys it ridiculous? If he thinks hes worth more money/years? not like he carried them to the nlcs or anything. not like he played like an mvp or anything.

      • Mike

        Good point, $25 mil isn’t a lot of money for a 38 year old in a struggling economy who plays only when he feels like it. Apparently his antics overshadow his worth if there is one team negotiating with him. If there were other teams talking to him then yeah, it’s fine to deny it and wait for a better offer, but that is not the case.

        • Mike

          Nevermind. Just saw the deferred payments. I change my stance.

  • Doug

    It was turned down because more than half of the money was deferred (2009: $10M; 2010: $10M; 2011: $10M; 2012: $10M; 2012: $5M)

    Boras countered with same contract but no deferred payments.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Ah, so that’s the rub.

      It’s not a 1yr/25M with a 1yr/20M player option. It’s (kind of) a 1yr/10M with 4yr/35M player option.

      That’s a world of difference. I can see why that was turned down. Manny being paid less money in 2009 than Johnny Damon and Hideki Matsui is pretty ridiculous.

      • Doug

        yup. except that if he sign another contract in 2 years, he’d be making $30M+ (new team’s $20M+ plus dodgers’ $10M)

    • steve (different one)

      ahhh, thanks Doug.

      that actually makes sense.

      • Doug

        no problem. i would have rejected that too

        • Mike Pop

          Well, no. You would of accepted that no problem.

          • Doug

            well, that’s true ;-)

  • steve (different one)

    i have no idea what Manny is thinking. this is really a great offer. $25M for 2009, then a $20M insurance policy in 2010?

    • Doug

      see above Steve….lots of deferred payments

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        The lazy, misleading mainstream media strikes again.

      • steve (different one)

        gotcha, thanks.

        that’s kindof a big detail…

  • Bo

    You think Torre and Bowa will LOVE writing the name JUAN PIERRE LF in the lineup??

    The Giants are dumb if they don’t get involved here.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      The Angels are dumb if they don’t get involved here.

      (No, I don’t think Bobby Abreu was the answer.)

    • http://theenlighteneddespot.com NC Saint

      There is no wrong way to finish the sentence “The Giants are dumb…”

  • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

    Speaking of Torre, I find it deliciously ironic that the Dodgers, who have Joe Torre as their manager basically because his previous employer gave him an offer he found to be ridiculously lowball and borderline insulting, are now giving the best player in their organization an offer he’ll find ridiculously lowball and borderline insulting.

  • owine

    Manny just wants to skip spring training. Duh. Everyone is reading into this too much.

    • Mike Pop

      Could be but I could see the deferred payments as a dealbreaker.

    • Ace

      That’s really not a bad theory.

      • Doug

        nah, it’s the $