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		<title>By: JOBA: WE&#8217;RE TOP DOGS IN EAST &#124; Yankees Rumors - NYYankeesRumors.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>JOBA: WE&#8217;RE TOP DOGS IN EAST &#124; Yankees Rumors - NYYankeesRumors.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 00:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Early camp roundup / More Joe Girardi audio [...]</description>
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		<title>By: JOBA: WE&#8217;RE TOP DOGS IN EAST &#171; Zell&#8217;s Pinstripe Blog</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2009/02/open-thread-early-camp-roundup-7949/#comment-281985</link>
		<dc:creator>JOBA: WE&#8217;RE TOP DOGS IN EAST &#171; Zell&#8217;s Pinstripe Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 01:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] David Ortiz Had to Have Taken Steroids? / Cashman on A-Rod, and Missing Yankee Numbers / Early camp roundup / More Joe Girardi [...]</description>
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		<title>By: pete</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2009/02/open-thread-early-camp-roundup-7949/#comment-281527</link>
		<dc:creator>pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d trade nady for gorkys in a second, but do the braves have anyone legit at SS (prospect-wise)? cuz we don&#039;t...I&#039;d rather have Ajax as our best outfield prospect and have a good SS prospect than two good OF and no SS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d trade nady for gorkys in a second, but do the braves have anyone legit at SS (prospect-wise)? cuz we don&#8217;t&#8230;I&#8217;d rather have Ajax as our best outfield prospect and have a good SS prospect than two good OF and no SS</p>
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		<title>By: usty</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2009/02/open-thread-early-camp-roundup-7949/#comment-281486</link>
		<dc:creator>usty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 13:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. He had a GIRLfriend? That&#039;s the bigger news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. He had a GIRLfriend? That&#8217;s the bigger news.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 05:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben,

Recover faster? Yes. Stay healthy longer? I am skeptical about that. There is overwhelming evidence to the contrary in fact. Players and anyone who used steroids seem to get hurt earlier in their careers, go on the decline faster and more often because their body starts to break down. I know bonds played until he was older as did clemens but both of them have dealt with their fair share of health problems as well. i can see if you said that roids helps you play better when you are older but I really doubt that it helps you stay healthier as you age, I will try to see what i can find out about that and get back to you but all of the available facts seem to contradict that sentiment. And even if one were to assume that roids helps you stay healthy and these guys health problems came as a result of cycling off them i could certainly buy that but then, what does that have to do with arod? And further, arod was 26, 27 and 28 I believe when he was using on texas. Was he really that likely to get injured on roids or not?

 Finally, arod had over 600 at bats all three seasons on the rangers. I think it is safe to say he did not need the roids to recover faster from any sort of injury during that time to gain an edge as he did not have any. I really think that the roids only helped him marginally if at all as he was the best player in the game in his prime already. he didnt become a monster on texas. He hit a few more homeruns in a right handed power hitter friendly Arlington Park. 

His homerun total was probably more impacted by the park factor than the roids. The only thing I see in his numbers that really do look like they may have been caused by the roids was his 2004 season and the year after he claims he came off them. The stats reflect that notion very well as that was the worst season he had gone through since 1997 after six straight years of sustained excellence he came back down to earth a bit. He actually put up similar numbers last year though so it may have just been his difficult times adjusting to NY and the pressure as well. There is just no solid proof anywhere when looking through his numbers that steroids gave him any sort of help padding his stats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben,</p>
<p>Recover faster? Yes. Stay healthy longer? I am skeptical about that. There is overwhelming evidence to the contrary in fact. Players and anyone who used steroids seem to get hurt earlier in their careers, go on the decline faster and more often because their body starts to break down. I know bonds played until he was older as did clemens but both of them have dealt with their fair share of health problems as well. i can see if you said that roids helps you play better when you are older but I really doubt that it helps you stay healthier as you age, I will try to see what i can find out about that and get back to you but all of the available facts seem to contradict that sentiment. And even if one were to assume that roids helps you stay healthy and these guys health problems came as a result of cycling off them i could certainly buy that but then, what does that have to do with arod? And further, arod was 26, 27 and 28 I believe when he was using on texas. Was he really that likely to get injured on roids or not?</p>
<p> Finally, arod had over 600 at bats all three seasons on the rangers. I think it is safe to say he did not need the roids to recover faster from any sort of injury during that time to gain an edge as he did not have any. I really think that the roids only helped him marginally if at all as he was the best player in the game in his prime already. he didnt become a monster on texas. He hit a few more homeruns in a right handed power hitter friendly Arlington Park. </p>
<p>His homerun total was probably more impacted by the park factor than the roids. The only thing I see in his numbers that really do look like they may have been caused by the roids was his 2004 season and the year after he claims he came off them. The stats reflect that notion very well as that was the worst season he had gone through since 1997 after six straight years of sustained excellence he came back down to earth a bit. He actually put up similar numbers last year though so it may have just been his difficult times adjusting to NY and the pressure as well. There is just no solid proof anywhere when looking through his numbers that steroids gave him any sort of help padding his stats.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Zig</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2009/02/open-thread-early-camp-roundup-7949/#comment-281382</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Zig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 04:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oooo look at you getting all fancy with the ï.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oooo look at you getting all fancy with the ï.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Zig</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2009/02/open-thread-early-camp-roundup-7949/#comment-281375</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Zig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 04:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It wasn&#039;t even me this time!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It wasn&#8217;t even me this time!</p>
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		<title>By: Manimal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Manimal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 04:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope the Giants get Boldin and/or Houshmandzadeh. Ochocinco is a joke and no one wants Plax back. We need to draft some LB&#039;s as well but this draft is full of em so I think the front office will take care of business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope the Giants get Boldin and/or Houshmandzadeh. Ochocinco is a joke and no one wants Plax back. We need to draft some LB&#8217;s as well but this draft is full of em so I think the front office will take care of business.</p>
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		<title>By: A.D.</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2009/02/open-thread-early-camp-roundup-7949/#comment-281368</link>
		<dc:creator>A.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 04:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rosenhaus indicating that Plax, Boldin, and Chad Johnson all could be available.  Could be some crazy swap in there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rosenhaus indicating that Plax, Boldin, and Chad Johnson all could be available.  Could be some crazy swap in there.</p>
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		<title>By: Manimal</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2009/02/open-thread-early-camp-roundup-7949/#comment-281366</link>
		<dc:creator>Manimal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 04:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I know he&#039;s going through a rough time right now, and I think his apology said it all. He&#039;s disappointed in himself, he made a mistake and we&#039;re all going to move on ... I&#039;m just going to open up my arms, give him a big hug, tell him I love him and we&#039;re going to get through this.&quot; -Mark Texiera on Arod
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090211&amp;content_id=3818368&amp;vkey=news_nyy&amp;fext=.jsp&amp;c_id=nyy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I know he&#8217;s going through a rough time right now, and I think his apology said it all. He&#8217;s disappointed in himself, he made a mistake and we&#8217;re all going to move on &#8230; I&#8217;m just going to open up my arms, give him a big hug, tell him I love him and we&#8217;re going to get through this.&#8221; -Mark Texiera on Arod<br />
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