Yanks no longer considering Joba for the pen

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Peter Abraham checked in with his first on-field news roundup of the Grapefruit League, and it’s a good one. He has some updates on the Swisher/Nady situation and the center field battle. Most important, though, is his bullet on Joba. As we hinted at last week, the Yankees are going to use Joba as their fifth starter from Day One until he reaches his innings limits, and in the words of PeteAbe, there are “no plans to pitch him out of the bullpen.” I’m sure the usual talking heads will decry this decision, but it’s the right one for the good of the team.

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  • WhizzoTheWize

    Someone get Mike Francesa to an ER – stat!

    • Okula67

      Since Francesa thinks Joba belongs in the pen, perhaps Francesa should only do the 20/20 news reports since they are obviously the most important part of the FAN broadcast afternoon!

    • http://tikidoesnotneedabarber.blogspot.com/ LB

      Francesa might overdose on Diet Coke

  • Mike Pop

    Obviously, we got CC for the 8th.

  • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

    Put Jobber in the bullpen; put Hughes in as the fifth starter; and let’s go to war, OK?

    • Mike Pop

      Mikey F?

      • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

        Yessir.

    • Matt M

      you mean Ughes?

  • Yankeegirl49

    Please lord let him be “lights out” from day one so we will not have to hear anymore “Joba to the pen” BS!!!!

    • KW

      Sadly, he was lights out as a starter last year, and we’re STILL hearing about it!

  • A.D.

    The Joba to pen fans now have their day of mourning

  • David

    How is this news or new! Not to be critical but it has been said since the end of last season by the manager, player in question, GM and others. Talk about beating a dead horse, now maybe we can move on from this issue. Let’s hope Pete can do the same for the ARod roids issue as well (I love Pete but he is somewhat obsessed and subjective on this one.)

  • touchtoneterriost

    Hey you guys keep talking about Mike Francesa as the only person but don’t forget Ron Guidry and Jorge Posada also said Joba should be in the pen.

    But what would they know they are professionals unlike me and every other blogger here.

    It’s not about if Joba should be put in the pen it’s if he can stay healthy and he hasn’t shown that for a long time.Keep him in the rotation but if he is Mark Prior then put him in the pen.

    • TheLastClown

      They are professional baseball players, not professional baseball thinkers.

      Jorge Posada likes to soak his hands in his own urine. I love the guy, but I’m not necessarily contracting him as an adviser.

      He can catch & hit the baseball for me anytime though. Provided he’s healthy of course.

      • Okula67

        The real question is if Posada is urinating on his rehabbing shoulder! Why not also pee on Matsui’s knees?

        • Mike Pop

          Matsui watches those kinds of videos.

    • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

      The thing is, I think it’s pretty much a general consensus that baseball players are basically morons when it comes to making personnel decisions.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Jorge Posada pees on his hands to “toughen them up” even though it’s a universally accepted biomedical fact that peeing on your hands makes them softer. His opinion on whether Joba should be a starter or a reliever is not only worthless, it’s even more worthless than everybody else’s because he’s wrong not only from a strategic point of view but also from a medical one.

      Jorge FAIL.

      • Dave M

        I’m not sure if that’s true or not. I need to do an experiment. I was just talking to my wife about it. She suggested I pee on one hand, but not the other. I’ll try this for a month. At the end of the month, we’ll see which hand is tougher.

  • http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/group.php?gid=43434432275 Ace

    What happens if we make the playoffs and he has met his innings limit? Is he shut down completely? Off the roster?

    • Yankeegirl49

      Please change that “if” to “when”. Thanks ;)

    • Tom Zig

      I assume they’d put him in the bullpen for the playoffs. That I would be fine with. Although we have to have a lead in order for that to be of any use. We all know how everyone, not just A-rod, forgets how to hit sometimes.

    • Ryan S.

      #2 starter.

      • Mike Pop

        #3. AJ is #2 with that bulldog mentality.

        • Ryan S.

          We’ll see how both are looking in September. I’ll definitely give you that AJ might be the better choice – when Burnett is locked in, he’s one of the best in the game.

          • Mike Pop

            Ya. I wouldn’t be upset either way. When Joba is locked in, he could be one of the top guys in the game.

            • 27 this year

              almost anyone on a good day is good.

              • Mike Pop

                Ponson and Rasner come to mind.

              • Ryan S.

                1. That’s not true.
                2. Joba or AJ are ace-like on their good days.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Put me down for “off the roster”.

      He hits his limit sometime in the last two months of the regular season, he gets a nice pat on the back and a “We’ll see you at Steinbrenner Field next February”.

      As it should be.

      • TheLastClown

        Do you really think, if they meter it to the point where he is </= to his innings limit by years end, that throwing 15 or so higher effort IP in the playoffs would be a serious medical risk?

        If it isn’t a serious risk, then I’d like him in the pen for the playoffs. If it is, obviously, see you in Feb., etc.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          This decision is above my pay grade. Whichever way the Yankees go (letting him pitch in the bullpen in the playoffs or shutting him down) I’ll respect.

          I’ve read the thought process that says transitioning a pitcher from one role (starter throwing 100+ pitches every five days at graduated effort) to another (reliever throwing 10-30 pitches at irregular intervals at high effort) isn’t an easy transition and stresses the arm. Transitioning from reliever to starter is stressful, but transitioning from starter to reliever may be just as stressful. I fear Joba overextending his arm by throwing at max velocity every other day during the playoffs after being on a nice, even 5-day routine during the regular season.

          I’m inclined to err on the side of caution for two reasons: 1) Joba is our future, and 2) we have so many other quality, quality arms who could be in the pen for the postseason (probably 10+ really good guys) that the incremental increase of Joba over them likely isn’t worth the long-term risk to his arm.

          But, if the team truly feels there’s no risk and wants to pitch him in the pen in October, I won’t complain.

          • TheLastClown

            Dig.

      • Ryan S.

        I really hope that October is accounted for when talking about a regular season inning limit. They should make sure, if he’s successful and injury-free as a starter this year, that they shut him down with enough gas in the tank for the playoffs.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          What if we have two or three guys (outside of Mo) who are lights out in the pen going into October? Like say, Bruney, Edwar, and Mark Melancon are all throwing ERAs in the 2.00 range with sub 1.000 WHIPs?

          What if Joba is merely overkill, a distinct possibility? Why not just shut him down?

          • Yankeegirl49

            We’d have a very happy bunch of Yankee fans!!

          • Ryan S.

            Let me say that Joba’s health comes first, no doubt about that. He’s a valuable commodity and if he needs to be shut down, than so be it.

            But, if we’re rocking and rolling in the regular season and we have the opportunity to slow Joba down in order to save room in his innings limit for October, I would definitely be in favor of doing so. I’d also want to use him as a starter – I see it as a distinct possibility that he’s worthy of being the #2 guy.

            This is all just pre-season rambling at this point anyway. When we talk about it in late August and September, I’m sure we’ll all have more informed opinions of what young Joba should be doing (if anything) come playoff time.

  • Jake H

    Ya baseball news!

    • Mike Pop

      Finally.

  • http://asportsaddictneedsdivineintervention.blogspot.com/ E-ROC

    ‘Ol well. I guess I’ll settle for Marte in the 8th inning.

    • Ryan S.

      Marte = 8th inning vs. lefites.
      Bruney = 8th inning vs. righties.

      • http://asportsaddictneedsdivineintervention.blogspot.com/ E-ROC

        Marte all the way. He can actually get righties too.

        • Ryan S.

          I agree Marte is far from a LOOGY and he’ll get opportunities to get righties out a decent amount, but if its the 8th inning and 2 or 3 right handed hitters are next up, I’ll go with Bruney (or Veras) over Marte.

          • TheLastClown

            I hope Girardi is flexible to the point where there isn’t an “8th inning” guy, but the guys who’s pitching well gets the high leverage situation. That way we can see Bruney, Veras, Marte, etc., all contribute wherever we see the highest leverage.

            • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              Amen.

            • Ryan S.

              Definitely agreed. In my mind, when I think of “8th inning guy”, that’s synonymous with “high leverage guy”. If bases are loaded in the 7th with 1 out, you bring in your “8th inning guy” … that’s how I think of it, but its all just semantics.

              • TheLastClown

                It’s really not semantics. General semantics is the study of the structure of language. The words you use, & the order in which you use them, define how you interpret your sense data to arrive at what is for you, reality.

                Thus, comparing and analyzing linguistic patterns, even seemingly trivial ones, leads to greater understanding of yourself & your world, not to mention it makes you a hell of a lot easier to communicate with.

                The logic applies to closers too, but we’ll never see Mo in the 7th against the 3-4-5 because the value of “closer” and the value of “high leverage reliever” are not semantically analogous.

                I don’t mean to sound pretentious, I promise :)

                • Ryan S.

                  I can appreciate the value of semantics, I wasn’t trying to imply otherwise. All I was doing was clarifying that when I said “8th inning guy”, I really did mean “high leverage reliever”, in order to demonstrate that I did indeed agree with your original point -that we hope Girardi doesn’t rely on certain guys for certain innings, but rather uses the right reliever at the appropriate times.

              • Infamous

                I bring in Mo for that situation, but that makes too much sense for a manager to do

    • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

      “‘Ol well. I guess I’ll settle for Marte Melancon in the 8th inning.”

      :) fixed.

  • Josh

    so what happens to Hughes?

    • Ryan S.

      In order to appease the baseball gods, Hughes will be the human sacrifice at the opening day of New Yankee Stadium.

      • TheLastClown

        Thanks for that :)

    • http://asportsaddictneedsdivineintervention.blogspot.com/ E-ROC

      6th starter in case of injury and once Pettitte leaves after this season, Hughes will own the MLB.

  • Drew

    “Yea I take Steroids, I eat that SH** for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Where’s my G*ddamn protein Ma!!”

    • Mike Pop

      Wrong thread bra!

    • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

      MUSCLE MILK!

      HGH!

  • http://nyfaninboston.blogspot.com/ Manimal

    Along the line, this will work out better, Lets say there is a off day and it is Joba’s turn after, they could skip him, save some of his innings and use CC on normal rest.

  • TheLastClown

    Since the B-Jobber crowd has been so depleted and denigrated, I propose a surrogate position for them…

    Joba to the bench!

    He’s much too valuable to the Yankees to let him exert himself on the mound in any capacity! Did you know that pitching a baseball seriously increases the risk of injury, over, say, flipping sunflower seeds into your mouth?

    He clearly can’t start because he got injured in Texas!

    He clearly can’t relieve because he smells so darned sweet to the midge population!

    His youthful exuberance, fist-pumping antics, etc., are just plain bad for baseball. A show-off like that would really be put to best use as the new NYY mascot!!

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Joba: 8th inning pinch bunting specialist. He comes in to lay down that key pinch bunt in the 8th, when the game’s on the line and we really need to move that runner over to second.

      • Yankeegirl49

        Thanks for the laugh guys..I needed it after a long day of work!!
        Those were BOTH really good!

  • keith

    I’m positive i read a quote from Cashman sometime last year where said that the innings limit is for the regular season. If they make the playoffs the pitchers will pitch.

    • Ryan S.

      Yes, I read that too. I remember reading something that basically said “Once October comes, the innings limit goes out the window”. That’s why I’m so curious about if his innings limit is just for the regular season.

  • David

    A few folks still think Joba should be in the bullpen as a set-up man. There is not one team, not a single team, in major league baseball that has a pitcher of Joba’s ability, that has started nearly his entire career, has done so successfully – not only in the minors but also in the majors (albeit a small sample) – that has chosen to use that pitcher as a set-up man. The closest is the Bosox use of Papelbon. So, all of baseball is wrong and they have no idea how to use their rosters? There are some good set-up men but none have the demonstrated ability to start like Joba. Joba is no Braden Looper, he has much better stuff and a much better upside.