Forfeiting the WBC

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With the injuries mounting, Team USA has considered the unthinkable (at least for Bud Selig): They could forfeit the tournament if they continue to lose players. On Sunday, the team’s backup catcher had to play left field, and we’ve seen a steady stream of players exit with various aches and pains. While I certainly appreciate the international drive behind this tournament and the compelling games and storylines, news of a forfeit lends the WBC an aura of mismanagement. It seems like a hastily assembled event with no effort to court or accommodate the star players that would lend it legitimacy. I can see why the Yanks don’t want their players participating, and if other teams follow suit, those behind the tourney will have to assess their 2012 aims.

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  • A.D.

    Realistically the rules need to be changed on injuries, in that if a player gets hurt he can immediately be replaced for the next game, and none of the “not until next round” stuff. Teams have very little to gain by faking injuries & if a reliever went 30 pitches and suddenly is “injured” his replacement will have to wait the rest period before he can pitch.

  • MattG

    I’ve seen this idea in other places, and I like it. Do this thing during the all-star break. You can split it up, and have prelims in March, saving the ‘final four’ for the break, or you can just have a tournament during the break.

    The AS break would need to be extended–maybe to seven days, but imagine the WBC Monday through Thursday, home run & futures game Friday, AS game Saturday. The HR derby could be expanded to include players in other professional leagues. The futures game could be US vs the world. It’s be an international baseball extravaganza.

    The downside is a format that would probably be one-and-done, which is silly in baseball. But the current format isn’t exactly ensuring the best team wins either.

    Finally, this would open March up to play-in rounds, meaning we can have a situation where any country with a team can try to play themselves into the 16 that play at the break. Countries with professional leagues can be assured spots, but countries with amateur programs have to play their way in.

    • Tom Zig

      Well thought out….but no.

      Having it in the middle of the season would piss off the owners off more than before.

    • Brian

      I like the idea of doing the preliminary rounds separately.

      Lets have regional qualifying the year before or something, like FIFA does for the World Cup. The actual event should be single-elimination and feature two teams from every “region.” or something.

      The whole thing is WAY too drawn out. It seems like it’s designed to afford the USA players as many second chances as they may need…

      • http://deleted RollingWave

        you mean it’s not ? ;) remember last time they had Cuba / DR and Venezula all in the same pool ?

  • Stanton Social

    I know there is backlash towards the after the season idea, but it makes the most sense. Injuries arent a worry, since its the start of the offseason. So what if many players have a month off and others are tired, they wont play. The ones who have a month off go on a 2 week vacation and then have practice in FL for 2 weeks to get themselves back into game shape.

    In the spectrum of “there is no good time,” this is clearly the best time. Before the season, has proven for the second time to be a disaster. Plus, you arent even getting top flight baseball, when these guys had a week of spring training before playing.

    • AMS223

      in 2005/06 the players were polled and there was FAR more positive response to doing it before the season rather than November.

      • steve (different one)

        well sure. during ST they are being paid, since they would otherwise be at ST.

        after the season, it’s like overtime, and they are doing “extra” work without getting paid.

        • radnom

          No one wants to watch exhibition baseball after the World Series.

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            The NFL Pro Bowl, a/k/a the least relevant major sporting event in North American history, says hello.

            • Count Zero

              ietc

  • Deezer

    It’s a shame. I think the WBC is a great idea and could be really interesting and fun. But it’s not working. I hate seeing the camera pan back to a half-empty stadium. There have been some nice moments, but the experiment has failed…

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      Attendance and ratings are actually not problems. Both have been up over 2006’s numbers, and those behind the tournament are a-ok with that.

    • A.D.

      They don’t really expect to sell out the stadiums, commercially it’s a success.

  • Jake H

    Why not use minor leaguers instead of players who are in the bigs?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      Because then it’s just as boring as Olympic baseball and the rest of the global tournaments. The idea is to have Major Leaguers compete against others at their level. The idea is a good one; the execution not so much.

  • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

    I’d like the WBC more if it wasn’t country vs. country. I’d rather it be league champion vs. league champion.

    • A.D.

      I think that would suck, and hurt teams. The Netherlands team, Italian & South African teams would have no shot if they just took the best team from their country.

      • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

        Well, let’s be honest, those teams don’t have much of a shot anyway.

        • A.D.

          Well they’d have even less of a shot. And the Dominican, PR & Venezuala league champions wouldn’t be exciting, they wouldn’t have any of the pro players.

          Basically it would be the MLB champ, Korean champ, Japanese champ, & Cuban champ against a bunch of guys who couldn’t make the pros (or haven’t yet). Mexico could put together a decent squad off their pro league…but they’d be far worse than currently.

          • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

            I’d be much more intrigued watching the World Series winner take on the Cuban, Japanese, or Korean champion than watching the US play the Netherlands or Italy play South Africa.

            • Brian

              Champions-league style?

              I actually don’t hate that.

    • Tom Zig

      Why don’t we just send the Red Sox? Not like any of their players are from other countries.

      • Deezer

        Brilliant!

    • http://deleted RollingWave

      The Asian leagues already have that, it’s called the Konami cup, have been running for 3 season already, (Japan / Korea / Taiwan / China, with China basically sending their national team vs the champ of the other 3 league)

      Just ask yourself, is the World cup (soccer) more relevent to (soccer) fans or the champion league?

  • nick blasioli

    i sure cant get into the wbc…i love baseball but this does not excite me at all…cant wait for the season to begin…this is my opinion,,undo the wbc….spring training games are a total bust because of it as well….

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      spring training games are a total bust because of it as well.

      That’s just dumb. Because one or two players are missing per team, it’s a bust? These players would play maybe 3-4 innings game. If you think Spring Training is a bust, it’s probably because you’re putting far too much stock into Spring Training.

      • nick blasioli

        i did say it was my opinion and i have seen every sping training game so far…its just not the same…and by the way,,i have a masters degree and far from dumb…

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          “and by the way,,i have a masters degree and far from dumb…”

          To be perfectly frank, you don’t write like you have a Masters degree. You write like you’re dumb. I’m not saying you are in fact dumb, you may be the smartest person on here, but to quote Dave Chappelle, you may not be a ho, but you are wearing a whore’s uniform.

          In any event, you’re definitely the first person with a masters degree who inexplicably uses two commas next to each other in a habitual fashion.

          • nick blasioli

            its quite ridiculous to have to prove yourself to an oaf like you…trust me i do know what iam talking about and i worked very hard to get where i am today..anyway,i thought this web site was for us yankee fans and why cant you respect that,at least..

          • nick blasioli

            i was talking in l language that even you may understand.

    • A.D.

      A bust? It’s practice

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        If I can’t practice, I can’t practice. It is as simple as that. It ain’t about that at all. It’s easy to sum it up if you’re just talking about practice. We’re sitting here, and I’m supposed to be the franchise player, and we’re talking about practice. I mean listen, we’re sitting here talking about practice… not a game, not a game, not a game, but we’re talking about… practice.

        Not the game that I go out there and die for and play every game last it’s my last but we’re talking about practice man. How silly is that?

        Now I know that I’m supposed to lead by example and all that but I’m not shoving that aside like it don’t mean anything. I know it’s important, I honestly do but…we’re talking about practice. We’re talking about practice man.

        (laughter from the media crowd)

        We’re talking about practice. We’re talking about practice. We’re not talking about the game. We’re talking about practice. When you come to the arena, and you see me play, you’ve seen me play right, you’ve seen me give everything I’ve got, but we’re talking about practice right now.

        (more laughter)

      • nick blasioli

        i know you only see the stars for three or four innings but when you dont see them at all,,,,its a bust….

  • http://evilempire20.com/ Ryan S.

    There’s only one way that makes sense to me that would make the WBC work, and no one in MLB (especially the owners) would ever go for it:

    Play the WBC in April, and shorten the real season by 3 or 4 weeks. Personally I’d hate it too, I’d much rather see pro ball than the WBC tourney.

  • WhizzoTheWize

    what’s a WBC?

    does it come in root beer flavor?

    if it does, then Whizzo just might be interested.

  • AJ

    The WBC is a great idea. Just watching the Venezuela – Puerto Rico (of which I have no vested interest), was a fun game. The fans were dancing around cheering, the players were into it, and the game ended up being a nail-biter.

    While it is a great idea, the injuries are an issue. But these can’t be blamed on the teams or the setup of the WBC. Each round has a pitch limit, and teams must strictly adhere to this rule. Plus, managers know what players they can push and hold off because of what teams ask them. If players are going to play in the WBC, they need to take on the responsibilities of getting ready earlier. As someone earlier said, these players can’t just sit around for part of the offseason and expect to go 100% in a preseason tournament.

    It’s a great idea, and after blasting it in 2006 I’ve really caught on this year. It’s a great idea, but it can use some tweaking. Overall, the players need to make sure they’re ready to go.

    • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

      It’s a great idea, and after blasting it in 2006 I’ve really caught on this year. It’s a great idea, but it can use some tweaking. Overall, the players need to make sure they’re ready to go.

      I’m the other way around–I loved in ’06 but I don’t like it now. I’ll watch it because it’s baseball and I’ll take any baseball I can get, but I’d prefer if the WBC weren’t around.