Comments on: Manny’s long national nightmare almost over http://riveraveblues.com/2009/03/mannys-long-national-nightmare-almost-over-8713/ A New York Yankees Blog Mon, 28 May 2012 06:51:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside http://riveraveblues.com/2009/03/mannys-long-national-nightmare-almost-over-8713/#comment-294700 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside Wed, 04 Mar 2009 19:58:20 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=8713#comment-294700 Heh, looks like Manny and Boras took the deferred money deal after all. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3951246 <blockquote><i>According to MLB.com, <b>$25 million of the contract is deferred over five years</b> and Ramirez has the right to opt out of the deal after one year. According to The Associated Press, Ramirez has full no-trade protection... Los Angeles announced last week that Ramirez declined its latest offer, a $25 million, one-year contract with a $20 million player option for 2010. That deal would have included deferred payments of $10 million each in 2011 and 2012 and $5 million in 2013.</i></blockquote> Heh, looks like Manny and Boras took the deferred money deal after all.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3951246

According to MLB.com, $25 million of the contract is deferred over five years and Ramirez has the right to opt out of the deal after one year. According to The Associated Press, Ramirez has full no-trade protection…
Los Angeles announced last week that Ramirez declined its latest offer, a $25 million, one-year contract with a $20 million player option for 2010. That deal would have included deferred payments of $10 million each in 2011 and 2012 and $5 million in 2013.

]]> By: Ed http://riveraveblues.com/2009/03/mannys-long-national-nightmare-almost-over-8713/#comment-294672 Ed Wed, 04 Mar 2009 19:14:42 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=8713#comment-294672 <i>Your analogy doesn’t make sense, what it should be is that the rich still have money to pay for the high end luxury goods, but there are less rich than before, and the middle class can no longer buy the luxury goods, nor the above avg goods so the price for these must come down, or they will buy the “store brand”.</i> But your analog just doesn't fit. The middle class teams still bid competitively on the top items. They didn't really bid at all on the 2nd tier talent, even after the prices came down. For most teams, Bobby Abreu at $5m still isn't appealing if he's just going to be your 4th outfielder. Your analogy doesn’t make sense, what it should be is that the rich still have money to pay for the high end luxury goods, but there are less rich than before, and the middle class can no longer buy the luxury goods, nor the above avg goods so the price for these must come down, or they will buy the “store brand”.

But your analog just doesn’t fit.

The middle class teams still bid competitively on the top items. They didn’t really bid at all on the 2nd tier talent, even after the prices came down.

For most teams, Bobby Abreu at $5m still isn’t appealing if he’s just going to be your 4th outfielder.

]]> By: Ed http://riveraveblues.com/2009/03/mannys-long-national-nightmare-almost-over-8713/#comment-294649 Ed Wed, 04 Mar 2009 18:37:49 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=8713#comment-294649 <i>Do you think that perhaps more players accept arbitration, and that playing into this?</i> Players that make you say "How could he possibly be a type A ?" probably will accept. In particular, Type A relievers that aren't closers probably will accept. Teams are probably going to be much less willing to offer arbitration though. Do you think that perhaps more players accept arbitration, and that playing into this?

Players that make you say “How could he possibly be a type A ?” probably will accept. In particular, Type A relievers that aren’t closers probably will accept.

Teams are probably going to be much less willing to offer arbitration though.

]]> By: A.D. http://riveraveblues.com/2009/03/mannys-long-national-nightmare-almost-over-8713/#comment-294647 A.D. Wed, 04 Mar 2009 18:32:22 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=8713#comment-294647 No price elasticity is exactly what happened to these players, people will still pay for premium goods, but avg to above avg good they're less willing to pay then when things were great and they were raking in cash. Overtime salaries could deflate in baseball, only time will tell. Your analogy doesn't make sense, what it should be is that the rich still have money to pay for the high end luxury goods, but there are less rich than before, and the middle class can no longer buy the luxury goods, nor the above avg goods so the price for these must come down, or they will buy the "store brand". No price elasticity is exactly what happened to these players, people will still pay for premium goods, but avg to above avg good they’re less willing to pay then when things were great and they were raking in cash.

Overtime salaries could deflate in baseball, only time will tell.

Your analogy doesn’t make sense, what it should be is that the rich still have money to pay for the high end luxury goods, but there are less rich than before, and the middle class can no longer buy the luxury goods, nor the above avg goods so the price for these must come down, or they will buy the “store brand”.

]]> By: mustang http://riveraveblues.com/2009/03/mannys-long-national-nightmare-almost-over-8713/#comment-294636 mustang Wed, 04 Mar 2009 18:18:58 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=8713#comment-294636 Just be happy that we can finally stop talking about him coming to the Yankees at least for the rest of the season. Oh Happy Day !!!!! Just be happy that we can finally stop talking about him coming to the Yankees at least for the rest of the season.
Oh Happy Day !!!!!

]]> By: Jay CT http://riveraveblues.com/2009/03/mannys-long-national-nightmare-almost-over-8713/#comment-294632 Jay CT Wed, 04 Mar 2009 18:14:10 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=8713#comment-294632 Do you think that perhaps more players accept arbitration, and that playing into this? Do you think that perhaps more players accept arbitration, and that playing into this?

]]> By: Ed http://riveraveblues.com/2009/03/mannys-long-national-nightmare-almost-over-8713/#comment-294627 Ed Wed, 04 Mar 2009 18:09:08 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=8713#comment-294627 <i>No, that’s wrong. In this economy, the middle-level and lower-level guys have their value decreased, but the top-level guys don’t. There’s different levels of price elasticity in play here.</i> If the economy was the issue, salaries would go down across the board. Raising salaries at the high end and lowering salaries at the low end would be like trading in your Toyota for a Hummer and hoping to make up the difference by buying the store brand products at the supermarket. If some groups have their salaries effected and others don't, it's a supply and demand issue. That's what happens with an abnormally talented free agent class. No, that’s wrong. In this economy, the middle-level and lower-level guys have their value decreased, but the top-level guys don’t. There’s different levels of price elasticity in play here.

If the economy was the issue, salaries would go down across the board. Raising salaries at the high end and lowering salaries at the low end would be like trading in your Toyota for a Hummer and hoping to make up the difference by buying the store brand products at the supermarket.

If some groups have their salaries effected and others don’t, it’s a supply and demand issue. That’s what happens with an abnormally talented free agent class.

]]> By: tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside http://riveraveblues.com/2009/03/mannys-long-national-nightmare-almost-over-8713/#comment-294625 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside Wed, 04 Mar 2009 18:07:06 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=8713#comment-294625 ... and in the winter of 2010, Nady and Ankiel look to be "less than ideal players in a market where the supply was greater than the demand." First Tier Holliday, Manny, Carl Crawford (if his option isn't picked up) Second Tier Ankiel, Nady, Damon, Magglio Ordonez (Tigers may salary dump), Vlad Guerrero, Jermaine Dye, Jason Bay (if he's not extended first) More Options Matsui, Randy Winn, Gary Sheffield, Marlon Byrd, Brian Giles, Andruw Jones The first rule of corner outfielders is: There's always lots of corner outfielders. The second rule of corner outfielders is: There's always lots of corner outfielders. … and in the winter of 2010, Nady and Ankiel look to be “less than ideal players in a market where the supply was greater than the demand.”

First Tier
Holliday, Manny, Carl Crawford (if his option isn’t picked up)

Second Tier
Ankiel, Nady, Damon, Magglio Ordonez (Tigers may salary dump), Vlad Guerrero, Jermaine Dye, Jason Bay (if he’s not extended first)

More Options
Matsui, Randy Winn, Gary Sheffield, Marlon Byrd, Brian Giles, Andruw Jones

The first rule of corner outfielders is: There’s always lots of corner outfielders.
The second rule of corner outfielders is: There’s always lots of corner outfielders.

]]> By: Jack http://riveraveblues.com/2009/03/mannys-long-national-nightmare-almost-over-8713/#comment-294624 Jack Wed, 04 Mar 2009 18:07:00 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=8713#comment-294624 Pepper needs new shorts. Pepper needs new shorts.

]]> By: Jay CT http://riveraveblues.com/2009/03/mannys-long-national-nightmare-almost-over-8713/#comment-294616 Jay CT Wed, 04 Mar 2009 17:56:48 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=8713#comment-294616 Sometimes, it is ok if we do not know exactly how one reacts to a signing. There is no shame in keeping some things private Mike... Sometimes, it is ok if we do not know exactly how one reacts to a signing. There is no shame in keeping some things private Mike…

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