Open Thread: Ahhh stereotypes
BySounds like some Cleveland fans are a little pissed off about something. (h/t BTF)
* Most Yankee fans like the LA Lakers in basketball, they root for the Dallas Cowboys in football, the Detroit Red Wings in hockey, and will tell you that Rocky Marciano was the greatest boxer of all time. What all of these “favorites” have in common is that they are winners. These are the Cleveland area fans who just can’t accept losing, so they manipulate the system at a young age and root for traditional winners. Let’s face it, the Cleveland Sports Faithful have not had much to scream about for the past 50 or so years. However, the loyalty of a Cleveland sports fan is so much more praiseworthy to me than the local bandwagon jumping fans of teams that win.
* The argument that Cleveland teams refuse to spend money to keep athletes gets old. Just because the Yankees have so much more to spend does not mean that the Browns, Cavs, and Indians, do not pay well. Let me put it to you this way: When you play monopoly with your friends, give the Yankee fan half of the deeds and three quarters of all of the money that comes with the game. We will call the other players Pittsburgh, Milwaukee, Kansas City, and Cleveland. They have what is left to divide amongst themselves. This is why baseball sadly needs a salary cap.
Seriously, do you know anyone who roots for the Yanks, Lakers, Cowboys and Red Wings? I mean jeez, I know there’s some bandwagoners amongst us, but come on now. Oh, and the salary cap issue is so 2004, it’s time to get over it. Do you know what this is? It’s the world’s smallest violin.
Anywho, here’s you open thread for the night. Korea is taking on Venezuela in the first game of the WBC semifinals at 9pm. The Knicks are in Orlando, the Isles are in Ottawa, and the Rangers host the Sabres in a game crucial to their playoff fate. There’s also a pair of college basketball games starting at 8:15. I went 25-for-32 in first round, good enough to be tied for third place in RAB’s Bracket Busters coming into today’s games. Anything goes here, just be nice.
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Mike, I disagree with you and understand where this Cleveland fan is coming from. Note that he said: “These are the Cleveland area fans who just can’t accept losing, so they manipulate the system at a young age and root for traditional winners.” He’s not talking about someone who grew up in Jersey being a Yankees fan, he’s talking about a kid from Shaker Heights who’s a Yankees fan.
Formatting fail. My bad.
PS: I should clarify… He (Paneech) makes retarded arguments and seems to be borderline bigoted, I just think it’s not too tough to understand why someone from a random city wouldn’t like it when other people from his city randomly (with no connection to NY) choose to be Yankees fans instead of rooting for their hometown team. Nobody likes bandwagoners.
I could understand that. I would be pissed if I went to New York and saw somebody with a pair of red socks on their hat.
at the same time, don’t judge people from other cities and backgrounds who support the Yankees (i know many people who have moved to far away places and still root for their home team)
loud noises
If this whiny Indians fan realized anything it would be that the ‘bandwagon’ team these days is the Red Sox with their legion of pink hat fans.
Beyond that I’d certainly go so far as to say that most (real) Yankee fans root for the Giants/Jets, Knicks and Rangers/Islanders in each of the other major sports. Also I lack an understanding of what thinking Marciano (who died nearly FORTY years ago) is the greatest of all time has to do with being a frontrunner…?
Because most Yankees fans are Italian. And Marciano was Italian.
More stereotypes FTL.
Demographically speaking, though, it does make sense to think a fair amount of Yankee fans are of Italian descent. NY (1), NJ (2), PA (3), and CT (9) are all in the top ten for states with Italian Americans and those states are where you’re gonna find the largest amount of Yankee fans, no?
But if he is saying that most Yankees fans are bandwagon fans, then why would the bulk of Yankees fans be Italian? Are Italians more likely to jump on a bandwagon than other ethnicities?
Yeah I get what you mean. I was just pointing something “interesting” out.
(It’s really not really interesting but I’m Italian so I just felt like pointing those facts out)
I bet you had no idea Don Mattinglio was Italian.
He just anglicized his last name for show biz purposes, which was common way back in the days when he was a Yankee.
Jon Stewart: “I changed my name from ‘Leibowitz’ to ‘Stewart’ because ‘Leibowitz’ sounds too Hollywood.”
Plus, so many Yankee greats were Italian.
Tony Lazzeri
Joe Dimaggio
Phil Rizzuto
Billy Martino
Don Mattinglio
Derek Jeteriamo
Carl Pavano
Steve Balboni
What about the Nets and Devils?
Go Korea! I went to the USA/Venezuela game on Wednesday night in Miami and though many of their fans were passionate and knowledgeable, most were jerkoffs and punks. I sincerely hope they finish 4th…
I was at the Ven/PR game and had a blast with the Ven fans.
Perhaps it was because my seating area was a bit rough (and some drunk American brawled with a few drunk Venezuelans) but I thought it was a really great atmosphere for about 6 innings, then turned really bad for the last third of the game.
Stephen Strasburg Price Tag
ESPN.com’s Peter Gammons heard from some club officials that top amateur pitcher Stephen Strasburg and his agent, Scott Boras, could demand $50MM over six years if he’s selected first overall by the Nationals in the June draft. If the Nationals pick Strasburg and seem unwilling to pay him as much as he wants, Boras could threaten to send the prospect to pitch in Japan for a year. If the Nats are scared off, the Mariners and Padres are next in line for Strasburg.
So how could an amateur player get away with these lofty demands? Strasburg has struck out 74 and walked only seven in the 34.1 innings he’s pitched for San Diego State and scouts rave about his stuff.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....mands.html
Boras’ audacity never ceases to amaze. If he can pull this off (which I doubt) you could see Strasburg falling to a big market team like the Sox (28th pick) or Yanks (29th). You could also see Bud Selig in his office flinging chairs out the window if that were to occur, and the entire draft system going where the chairs went.
Well, you know the red sox would make that deal to keep him away from the Yanks so we stand no chance of getting him.
I started that rumor! The price tag has gone up but it’s mine.
http://riveraveblues.com/2009/.....ent-307233
Even in making a JOKE you only got halfway there.
Amazing.
Strasburg has boosted up his price again:
http://tinyurl.com/2b5e7c
If the Nationals pick Strasburg and seem unwilling to pay him as much as he wants, Boras could threaten to send the prospect to pitch in Japan for a year.
If he did pitch in Japan, what would happen when he comes back? Would he enter the draft again, would he be an international free agent, or would he do something else?
I guess it’s trickier with Japan involved but he’d probably re-enter the draft a’la JD Drew.
I don’t know if a Japanese team would want to take him for only one year anyway, really.
Why not? Japanese clubs are usually pretty hurt up for money. They’d probably be able to sell mad tickets having a young flamethrowing american in the rotation, even for just a year.
When Soriano played a year in Japan, he made $40,000.
Boras is good copy but don’t take him too seriously. He’s not going pass up 9-10 mil just because he asked for 50.
Oh I definitely don’t think the kids gonna go to Japan, but I disagree with the notion that no Japanese club would want strasburg for a season.
I just got done working on my pre-draft rankings for the RABAL and moved quite a few people around, based on ESPN’s rankings (http://games.espn.go.com/flb/tools/projections?), and probably wasted a solid 3 hours in doing so. Anyone else geek out on this stuff?
I spent a good hour on my rankings this morning. I took ESPN’s rankings of the top 600 and made sure to highlight any sleepers I’m targeting.
I’m picking 17th overall, and I definitely have specific targets for my first two picks. I mean guys that will realistically be available at those spots, not like Hanley or Pujols.
Yeah I think in RABAL you don’t find out where you pick until a hour before it happens, so I can’t plan ahead as much as I liked. I sorted out the top 500 but really after #350 it gets pretty tedious. I think I moved at least one player up about 40 ranks and moved a few guys down like 50+. I’m fairly confident that I won’t completely screw myself over tomorrow, but I haven’t done fantasy FB in a few years so I wouldn’t put it past myself to utterly ruin my chances.
I picked our draft order out of a hat earlier this week so people could start to game plan.
I’m glad I don’t have much planned tomorrow night, heh. 20 teams drafting over 22 rounds is pretty epic. I hope to god most everyone actually shows up so that each pick doesn’t last a full minute.
I have pick 3, so unless somehow Hanley and Pujols fall to me it will be an easy round.
The thing I am worried about is that I’ve never done a sleeper league or a league with more than 12 teams. Hopefully I’ll do alright and won’t make a fool of myself.
I root for the Yankees and none of the other above teams. If I have no rooting interest I tend to pull for the dog or in baskeball for any team that include MJ or Lebron. The Yankees are the Yankees and they are my one and only. And Marciano was too small to beat today’s fighters, he barely beat Jersey Joe and Ali would have won an easy decision.
The point of the article wasn’t to make fun of Yankee fans, it was to show how bad Cleveland teams are.
The stereotype isn’t that Yankee fans are bandwagoners, its that Cleveland area fans are discovering at a young age that their teams are losers and therefore they are learning to like teams outside their market as a result.
Title of the discussion is misleading.
It’s an issue because in every other city, fans tend to root for one of two teams.
1-Their local team
2-The Yankees
It’s like that in most cities and always has been.
3 – The Red Sox. They’re the nouveau bandwagon team.
In the northeast yes, but not across the country. You don’t find many Red Sox fans in Tupelo, Missisippi or Oklahoma City. But you will find Yankee fans, and more than you’d think.
Watch a Sox/Angels or Sox/A’s game on TV–there’s just about a 50/50 split in terms of fans.
They have legalized medical marijuana in California, those idiots don’t even know what the fuck they’re watching. You could tell them it’s a NASCAR Race and hand them an Ortiz Jersey for all they know.
http://www.highdeftshirts.com/.....%20Hat.jpg
I’ve lived in Dallas and Houston for half of my life and I see about an equal amount of Boston and Yankee fans.
Dallas?
DALLAS?
Hey I was born in Brooklyn, gimme a break. I always did enjoy giving all the Ranger and Cowboys fans a hard time when I lived there though, heh.
27 of 35 on my bracket. Anyone have early success with theirs?
28 of 35, I had Wake going to the Elite 8, so that hurts. I didn’t have any of my other 7 even making the Sweet 16.
I had FSU in my Final Four.
Fuck.
30 of 38 if Purdue and OK hold on. My elite 8 is still looking healthy.
28 of 36
Illinois & Wake Forest killed me.
29/36.
29/37, Purdue beating Washington hurts.
I had that one–Wake losing hurts me; I had them going to the 16.
Me too, but I had Wake and FSU in the 16…
Go Zags and Duke
I am a Yanks (originally from NY), Lakers (Kobe was my idol in B-ball), Broncos(grew up in Colorado), Avalanche (hate the Red Wings), and Nuggets fan.
Baseball: Yankees (duh)
Football: Giants
Hockey: Rangers
Basketball: Knicks
College: University of Texas
Yankees
Redskins
Devils
Heat
The U
Yankees
Giants
Does my high school team count?
UConn
UConn
Yankees
Dolphins
Rangers
The U
I hate basketball.
May I ask why? I don’t much care for the NBA but I absolutely love college basketball.
Just never got into it, it always seems like whomever has the ball last wins. Ill watch March Madness just cause of the brackets, but thats about it.
I also have an issue with pros that cant make free throws. The ball doesnt change, the rim doesnt change, the surface doesnt change. Its all muscle memory and to me, if you are a pro, there is no excuse to be under 80%. No one is perfect, but if you are good enough to go pro, you should make that shot consistently.
Junt my opinion..
I also have an issue with pros that cant make free throws. The ball doesnt change, the rim doesnt change, the surface doesnt change. Its all muscle memory and to me, if you are a pro, there is no excuse to be under 80%. No one is perfect, but if you are good enough to go pro, you should make that shot consistently.
Junt my opinion..
That pisses me off, too haha.
Yankees
Giants
Knicks
Rangers (but I don’t much care about hockey)
Holy Cross
I’m in Buffalo, so bear that in mind.
Baseball: Yankees/Bisons
Football: Bills
Hockey: Sabres
College: University at Buffalo
Yankees fan. That’s it. I could care less about any other sport or team. I’ll occasionally watch a new york team if I’ve got nothing else to do, but the rest is a waste of time. Need time to actually live my own life.
I especially hate college sports. Who needs to spend all this time learning about dozens of different teams you have no rooting interest in, just because? I don’t get. I root for the Yankees, because my grandma hasn’t missed a game in 30 odd years. It was born into my blood. No college team is born into your blood.
Why would a Yankee fan root for the Cowgirls????????????? They have done nothing lately, while The Giants won the Super Bowl 2 years ago.
NY’rs don’t root for the Lkers…well at least most of us;-)
Red Wings in Ranger and Islander territory????????????? Puleeeaaaase!
The author is a putz with little to no clue about sports’ fans in new York!
“he author is a putz with little to no clue about sports’ fans in new York!”
I don’t think he meant to refer to NYers, I think he’s complaining about people from Cleveland who are Yankees fans.
Upon further and more in-depth reading I agree with your point…thanks! :-0
OMG they’re interviewing Wisconsin’s head coah during this wrestling match on ESPN2. I think he’s about to attack the guy interviewing him. Anyone else catch this
I believe Cleveland’s own Lebron James roots for a majority of the listed teams. We know Yankees and Cowboys for sure…basketball he doesnt have much of a choice but he really did jump on that Cavs bandwagon at the right time
I think LeBron said he was a Bulls fan for basketball originally to continue his front running ways.
exactly, this entire article should have just been called “an open letter to LeBron James”…
This writer should give up. 100% of Clevelanders will soon be Yankees fans, as soon as they get a glimpse of Melvin Crousett.
“This writer should give up. 100% of
ClevelandersEarthlings will soon be Yankees fans, as soon as they get a glimpse of Melvin Crousett.”Fixed.
“This writer should give up. 100% of Earthlings, Martians, Klingons and Jedi will soon be Yankees fans, as soon as they get a glimpse of Melvin Crousett.”
Fixed again.
You forgot Elves and Orcs.
(Shut up. Lord of the Rings was on the UConn movie channel earlier.)
Randal Graves: That look was so gay. I thought Sam was gonna tell the little hobbits to take a walk so he could saunter over to Frodo and suck his fucking cock. Now *that* would have been an Academy Award worthy ending.
Hobbit Lover: Hey faggot, they’re not gay! They’re hobbits!
Randal Graves: And then, right after the Sam/Frodo suckfest, right before the credits roll, Sam fucking flat out bricks in Frodo’s mouth.
Elias: He’s not down with the trilogy.
Randal: Oh what the fuck happened to this world?
Cool find:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related
it’s not the scene from the movie itself, but it’s Kevin Smith doing almost the same routine.
That’s great, thanks.
Oswalt vs Matsuzaka
USA could do this now. Venezuela isnt pitching Felix tonight. We got a shot now at bypassing Felix and Darvish.
I will get no love in Cleveland: Besides the Yankees I root for the mortal enemy of all Clevelanders………… The Pittsburgh Steelers. Plus Penn State (The most despised team this side of Michigan for Ohio State fans), and the New York Islanders.
don’t forget Cleveland usually swings to the Democrats.
Dude you’re on fire this week.
I live in NJ. Became a Yankee fan because I started watching in 1967. I was 7. Became a Cowboy fan later that year, watching the famous “Ice Bowl” versus the big, bad Packers. I started rooting for the UNDERDOG…the Cowboys. Became a Lakers fan in 69, a friend was a fan and we became Jerry West fans.
Never really got into hockey. Got bored of basketball and the boorish behaviour a long time ago, but still root for the Lakers to beat the Celtics…just because they are from Boston. Have remained a steadfast Yankees and Cowboys fan. It’s easy to say the Cowboy fans are jumping on the band wagon…but this team hasn’t gone anywhere since the days of Aikman, Emmit and Michael Irvin.
I just switched to ESPN real fast and caught a shot of Bobby Abreu dropping a fly ball. Have fun Angels fans!
At least the price was right.
The price is wrong BOBBY!
Why they didn’t try harder for Manny is beyond me. If they don’t try for Holliday this off-season…
west coast teams are poo
I suspect Manny and Scioscia would be a bad mix.
The only way I would have brought Abreu back would be to do this:
First, I would tell him to take his usual place in Right field and hand him a pen. Then I would put the contract up against the outfield wall and tell him he has 3 seconds to sign it.
If he signs the contract, he can come back.
Sjoustrom with the nice pass to callahan for the empty netter, hockey is pretty fun.
lakers and yanks all the way baby!
Another good outing by Joba today. Hopefully keeping the B-Jobbers (semi)muted for another 5 days.
I am obviously incredibly excited to see Joba as a full time starter but I’m also annoyed because I know every start is going to be, in the minds of the B-Jobbers, a referendum on Joba starting.
LOL Carlos Silva is so awful.
Joba could throw 4 straight no hitters, but if he struggles in start #5, the B-Jobbers would still rear their ugly (and empty) heads.
Yep. It’s going to be an annoying ride.
I was amazed to see a poll recently (Daily News?) where roughly 2/3 of respondents thought he belongs in the bullpen.
Yikes.
Yeah, that scared the shit out of me.
Oh my, Korea has a baseball team.
They won the gold medal at the Olympics last year, and had the best record in the last WBC. They are no pushover.
In Korean ballparks the hot dogs are made with .. . . . well, you figure it out.
I’m a 20 year old college student, and I’ve grown up liking certain teams – the Yanks in baseball, the Cowboys in football and the Devils in the NHL (I’m a fan of basketball, but I don’t really root for anyone.) According to this Cleveland writer, I’m a 2/3 bandwagon fan because of the teams I support. But I ask: Is it my fault I was raised in a household of Yankees/Cowboys/Devils fans? What this person fails to see is that, no matter where you are born and raised, you usually take on the teams your parents like. So if there are parents in Cleveland who like the Yankees, they’re going to raise their kids as Yankee fans. Some people think I’m a bandwagon fan because my favorite teams have enjoyed recent success. But it’s not my fault I became a real sports fan when the ‘Boys were winning championships, the Yanks were starting to build their 90s dynasty and the Devils were winning their first cup. Call it good timing I guess.
If you start to root for the Arizona Cardinals, etc. because of their success, then you’re a bandwagon fan. But I’d venture to say many Yankee fans are true fans who are third and fourth generation fans of the team. This guy’s just pissed because CC is a Yankee and soon Lebron will be wearing a Knicks jersey in 2010.
I’m technically in the same boat when it comes to the Boys. I’ve loved the Cowboys ever since I’ve loved football. My brother was a huge fan and I got into football for that reason. Was my brother a bandwagon fan because he was 12 or so when they were winning championships, maybe, but am I? I don’t think so. They are the only team I have ever been a real fan of when it comes to football. Sure, when they have sucked bad in seasons(for so long now
…), I have rooted for other teams that I wanted to win it all but I wasn’t upset if they lost a game. Yankees are the Yankees, always have cheered for them and there is no question about that. Like you, people call me a bandwagon because I am a Cowboy fan (looking at you Nady Nation 
) but I’ve been one my whole life. Wsa my brother one, maybe, but not that it matters because he could give a shit about sports now.
damn just came back from MC Donalds and turn the TV on and Korea is woo pin Venezuela ass in the 2 inning.
Mike, I’m just curious, but do prospect profiles take a lot of time? Or do you just whip ‘em up real fast?
Nah, he just pulls them out of his ass. You don’t have to waste any time researching since half the shit in there is made up. You ever see the Google Toolbar where it says “I’m feeling lucky”? That’s where he gets most of the info.
Depends, I usually piece them together over a week or so. The college guys take longer because I have more background info to cover, but there’s much more info available for them, so in a way it’s easier.
If I was to sit down and just hammer one out in one sitting, it would probably take me two or three hours.
Oh ok, I was under the assumption that you picked the prospects that you already had a lot of information about to make it an easier process. Was “The” Steve sarcastic in the comment above? I’m not sure but, there was some anger in that one.
Yes, of course it was sarcastic. And there’s nothing angry about it, if you noticed any of my other posts I like to kid around. But unfortunately, subtlety doesn’t work online so you have to make it as obvious as possible.
Yea, I was sarcastic too, didn’t go off too well though. We Steves need to stick together, but you should have brought your Sarcasm Alert with you. It helps everyone.
I try to focus on players that were drafted that year since not many people know anything about them. I’ll throw in a couple other guys of course.
Oh and to be clear, I wasn’t taking anthing away from the profiles. They’re great, keep ‘em coming, or not I guess. Draft coverage’s going to be great. Eh, you lose some, you win some.
Anybody know where to find the most recent revenue sharing stats? Like how much each team contributed and what teams received?
And before someone gets smart with me and replies with the ol http://www.google.com routine, I tried to google it and couldn’t find anything current or substantial.
Thanks.
Venezuela’s defense is just brutal. They’re botching routine plays, nothing difficult.
They’re worried what Chavez might do when they get home.
ESPN-”Carlos, you really struggled out there, what happened tonight?”
Carlos Silva-”Have you seen me pitch the past 3 years? I suck.”
I love the cheer, ENDY yess CHAVEZ noo
MLBPA wants charitable clauses out
“The MLB Players’ Association has filed a grievance on behalf of players who have a provision in their contracts under which they agree to make a donation through his club to a charitable organization, MLBPA chief operating officer Gene Orza told ESPN’s Karl Ravech.
This type of clause came into the spotlight earlier this month when Manny Ramirez re-signed with the Los Angeles Dodgers.
In his contract, the slugger agreed to make a $1 million donation to the Dodgers Dream Foundation. After Ramirez’s deal was signed, Dodgers owner Frank McCourt announced that “every future Dodger” will be required to donate a portion of his salary to the foundation.
McCourt sounded surprised by the union’s litigation.
“… The Ramirez provision is a blank line to be filled in with whatever number a player chooses.”
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=4003867
We all know Gene Orza isn’t trying to win any popularity contests, but this is a ridiculous waste of time by his union and horrendous PR during a severe recession. The player could write $1 or 1 million, it’s completely his choice.
I’m gonna do horrible in the draft tomorrow. I’ve had so many papers and tests over the last 2 weeks that I’ve had no time to look at players in between studying and drinking.
And also, how do you guys know what number your drafting??
In our league, it’ll be randomized an hour before it starts (at 6:15 ET)
Someones mad CC signed in ny…
either way I m not gonna front. When the yankees signed that partnership agreement with the cowboys. I fucks with them more now… Not more than the giants but cmon. We run at the highest deficit in sports. Georgie needs that money, GO COWBOYSSS
I take offense to this…and there are several reasons.
In my life of sports fandom, the Yankees have been the lone bright spot in a universe of indescribable heartbreak. If only I were so lucky to be born in LA, Detroit, or Dallas.
No, I was born in upstate New York, closer to cleveland than the city in fact.
I’ve been a yankees fan since I learned to read box scores at age three and told my dad every morning how mattingly hit the night before. I was 14 when they won their first championship.
What about other sports? surely I love all the other teams that win all the time, right?
anybody ever heard of the Buffalo Bills? there is no team in organized sports harder to stay loyal to than the Bills. Although, at least they never abandoned their city like some other teams on lake erie. Anyway, I was still young enough to cry about it when Norwood missed wide right, and I did. It hasn’t gotten any easier. If the scientists of the world had as much creativity in the lab as the bills have in finding ways to lose, we would all have condos on the moon right now.
To the writer responsible for this article I have one thing to say, but I won’t because this is a family blog. I’ll just have to hope that someday we have a chance to talk about it in the bleachers in the bronx, or the parking lot of Ralph Wilson stadium.
Thanks for all of the reads and comments both positive and negative. In the first twenty or so comments, people questioned my sanity for saying people root for the Cowboys and the Yankees. In the last 2/3 of the comments three people courageously stepped forward to admit that they do. Many New Yorkers commented without understanding the article was about Yankee fans in the Cleveland area. These are the same folke who called me retarded, even after it was pointed out in these very comments that the article was not about New York fans. Wanna color? No hard feelings to anyone here, enjoy those thousand dollar seats behind home plate and go Nets!
Yanks/Bears/Illinois Hate the NBA and don’t like hockey
What do you guys/gals say to the salary cap argument? I’ve tried reasoning/logic/facts, but I can’t get my point across.