Rosenthal: Yanks not looking to replace A-Rod

2008 Dominance Factors
Assessing the Yankee brand

After we found out the severity of A-Rod‘s hip injury last week, Ben wrote up possible replacements, headed by Mark Grudzielanek. Once surgery became a certainty, Mark Teahen’s name popped up in the conversation. Either one could help bridge the gap separating the start of the regular season and the start of A-Rod’s season. At that point, both players could become valuable parts of a potentially strong Yankees bench. Yet Ken Rosenthal doesn’t think that the Yanks will seek an external replacement, not when the third baseman is slated to miss as few as 23 games — though Will Carroll thinks he could check in ahead of schedule.

A simple four-week replacement for A-Rod might not be the most prudent roster move it were for that sole purpose. Why pay millions, plus players in a possible trade, if you’re getting your All-Star third baseman back after just a month of the season? As I’ve argued before, the move would strengthen the bench after A-Rod’s return, making a move a bit more likely. Teahen would be ideal is that situation, since he can play more positions than Grudzielanek.

In addition to those guys are players who are in camp on minor league deals who could get the axe or opt out of their deals between now and the beginning of the season. The only name I can think of off the top of my head is Morgan Ensberg, and I’m not sure the Yanks want to try that again after last year’s failed experiment. Plus, if he plays well enough to indicate that he can play in the majors, he could very well catch on with the Rays — though they do have Willy Aybar blocking him. Other than that, can anyone else think of some minor league contract guys who could serve the Yanks’ purposes?

This is all to say that I think a short-term replacement would be a good idea now if that player can slide to the bench after A-Rod’s return, preferably filling in at many positions rather than just as a utility infielder. If a free player or a trade makes any degree of sense in that regard, I’d like to see Cashman pounce on it.

2008 Dominance Factors
Assessing the Yankee brand
  • A.D.

    Basically if the Yanks have a logical option to upgrade their back-up infielder then they’ll take it. It really has nothing to do with A-Rods injury.

    • Jeremy

      Yes. We need a better utility infielder anyway.

  • John

    Me…and i’ll be free

    • John

      but i want the free gear

  • steve (different one)

    good point about waiting until the end of camp to see who gets released.

  • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

    Teahen would be ideal is that situation, since he can play more positions than Grudzielanek.

    … although, he plays more positions that we already have significant depth in, namely 1B, RF, and LF. He doesn’t really play 2B or SS, something Grudz does.

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m pro-Teahen, but it does merit mentioning that if he’s going to be the utility infielder after Nails Krzyzewski returns, it would be nice if he could spell Jeter and Cano. If Teahen is on our bench, we’re going to have to keep Ransom around as well, and with Molina and the loser of the Swisher/Nady battle taking two other bench spots, a bench of Teahen-Ransom-Nady-Molina leaves no room for the loser of the Gardner/Melky battle… meaning Melky gets forced out in May.

    Adding Grudz would allow us to replace Ransom rather than just supplement him…

    • http://evilempire20.com/ Ryan S.

      Plus, on days where we have guys named both Krzyzewski and Grudzielanek working the infield on the same day, no one could deny our grit-factor.

      • Jack

        Don’t forget Gritner in CF.

        • http://evilempire20.com/ Ryan S.

          That’s right … and Jorge Peesada.

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Imagine this lineup:
            LF-Damon (gritty as hell – remember this?)
            SS- Jeter (intangible grace and gamerdom up the wazoo)
            1B-Tex (anybody with the nickname “Tex” has to be a gritty gamer
            3B-Nails Krzyzewski (speaks for itself)
            DH-Nady (he plays the game the right way: that means screw your OBP, you spreadsheet nerds)
            C-Posada (dude, HE PEES ON HIS HANDS!!!!!)
            2B-Grudzielanek (speaks for itself)
            RF-Ransom (there’s no way I’m keeping Ian O’Connor’s boy off my team of gamers)
            CF-Gritt Gritner (no explanation necessary)

            On the bench where their non-gamer, lazy asses belong:
            Cano (too Dominican)
            Melky (no gritty gamer would ever wear Bobby Abreu’s number)
            Swish (the name says it all)

    • Chris C.

      Adding Grudz would allow us to replace Ransom rather than just supplement him…

      What’s the point? I’m not even sure that Grudz or Teehan would hit better than Ransom in the first place! It’s not like we’re talking about bringing in Scott Rolen here. These guys are mediocre playes, so you may as well just save your money or trade chips and give Ransom a chance. I mean, he did hit nicely for the Yankees last year in his limited time.

      And if he flops, then you can make a move.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Mark Teahen full-season wOBA, 2005-2008:
        .302, .376, .333, .311

        Mark Grudzielanek, full-season wOBA, 2005-2008:
        .321, .318, .336, .329

        Cody Ransom, full-season wOBA, 2005-2008:
        N/A, N/A, N/A, N/A
        (Ransom has never had more than 78 plate appearances in a single big league season. That’s not a good sign for a 33 year old career minor leaguer.)

        I’d say the possibility that Ransom approximates Teahen or Grudz offensively over a month’s worth of plate appearances is slim.

        • Drew

          Grudz hits great, .300, but as far as on base he’s really not good. If he’s down in that 8 slot I wouldn’t mind his bat. He’s 38-39 and still has no team, even if he is only guaranteed a spot on the bench he’d be glad to sign I think. But still, I want to see if maybe something has clicked with Ransom. I mean the guy can jump high, thats got to count for something?

          • http://evilempire20.com/ Ryan S.

            Didn’t Grudzie also say he wanted to be on a winning team? I’d think that would work in our favor … I’d be surprised if he declined a 1 year / $1MM offer.

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Drew, those are wOBA numbers, not batting average numbers. wOBA is closely tied to OBP.

            Grudz OBP’d .334, .331, .346, and .345 the past four years. That’s good enough for me. The wOBA numbers are dragged down by his lack of pop. Grudz is a fine OBP guy.

        • Chris C.

          “Mark Teahen full-season wOBA, 2005-2008:
          .302, .376, .333, .311”

          I don’t care what he did from 2005-2007. Not when the knock on him is that his skills are in decline. He was aweful last season…..there’s no way around it.

          “Mark Grudzielanek, full-season wOBA, 2005-2008:
          .321, .318, .336, .329”

          I would take Grudz over Teahen ANY DAY……especially as a fill-in infielder. But I don’t see the point in either of them over Ransom. Don’t see that much of a diference.

          “Ransom has never had more than 78 plate appearances in a single big league season. That’s not a good sign for a 33 year old career minor leaguer.)”

          We’re asking him to play 3rd for about 1 1/2 months. What is the big deal? I gotta tell ya, I was kind of impressed with what Cody Ransom gave the Yankees last year, even if it was just limited. Give the guy a chance.

          “I’d say the possibility that Ransom approximates Teahen or Grudz offensively over a month’s worth of plate appearances is slim.”

          Except that’s exactly what happened when Ransom came to the majors last season. He was only up for a month last year for the Yankees, and hit better than those two did in ANY one month of their 2008 season.
          The possibility is slim? It just happened!!

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Chris, you have some serious sample size issues in your thinking.

            Cody Ransom has looked impressive in two short bursts at the big league level, looked utterly pedestrian in two other short bursts at the big league level, and looked like “a guy” in the minors for 10 years. You’re acting like he’s a diamond in the rough just waiting to break out, when the large sample size says he’s just “a guy” and the tiny sample size says he’s good.

            Mark Teahen has looked good at the minor league level AND at the major league level for whole seasons, and then had one bad year last year. You’re acting like he’s a bust when the large sample size says he’s good and the smaller sample size says he’s average.

            I don’t know how you don’t see this, but everybody can, should, and would take Mark Teahen over Cody Ransom every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

            Cody Ransom’s ceiling is Mark Teahen’s floor.

            • Chris C.

              “Chris, you have some serious sample size issues in your thinking.”

              You’re making a mountain out of a molehill. For 1 1/2 months, the Yankees are gonna add 3 mill to their payroll, and deal a few prospects as well for the services of a guy who was terrible last year? You want to talk sample size? What were the results of the sample size of Mark Teahen’s AB’s last season? Not very good.

              “You’re acting like he’s a diamond in the rough just waiting to break out”

              Now you’re just bullshitting. Ransom is a servicable reserve player who can fill in just fine for AROD. I never billed him as anything more than that. And I certainly wouldn’t spend more and lose players to replace him with a guy who reached base last year at a worse rate than Cano, and struck out a ton.

              “I don’t know how you don’t see this, but everybody can, should, and would take Mark Teahen over Cody Ransom every day of the week and twice on Sundays.”

              Who’s everybody? Are those the same people who wanted the Yankees to go out and get Mike Cameron, Dave Roberts, or anyone else NOT named Brett Gardner to play center this coming season?
              I don’t much respect the opinions of a good many Yankee fans out there…….that’s something I’m sure you’ve noticed by now.

              • http://evilempire20.com/ Ryan S.

                The difference between Brett Gardner and Cody Ransom is pretty big – Ransom is basically a career minor leaguer, while Brett Gardner is a legit prospect who has worked his way into a competition for a starting CF job. Maybe Ransom 5 or 6 years ago was in a comparable situation as Gardner is now, but as this point, Ransom is what he is … which is basically not much. I’d be fine with Ransom playing third for a month or so, but I’d definitely rather see a proven major league guy if we can pull it off.

                • Chris C.

                  You know why Teehen had 500 AB’s last year? Because he’s on the Royals, that’s why.

                • http://evilempire20.com/ Ryan S.

                  I’m not that high on Teahan myself, it would depend on how much we’d have to give up. Grudzie easily seems like the best option to me. Still, if we’re talking straight up about who is the better player: Ransom or Teahan – its a no brainer that Teahan is better.

                • Chris C.

                  “Ransom or Teahan – its a no brainer that Teahan is better.”

                  Only because he had decent seasons before last year. But last year he was terrible.
                  If he did what he did last year on the Yankees, he’s have been at Wilkes Barre by June.

                • http://evilempire20.com/ Ryan S.

                  Teahen is also 6 years younger than Ransom, and could possibly have some upside to him. Ransom has been on waivers multiple times and at age 33, has about a half season’s worth of major league experience in his entire career – there is a reason for this, its not like scouts have arbitrarily ignored him. You yourself said Teahan has had a decent season or two. You know who has never has a decent season? Cody Ransom. Why? Because he’s never been good enough to ever have an opportunity to do so. He’s an acceptable utility guy, but I think his handful of games as a Yankee in 2008 is really getting over-emphasized in the context of his career numbers.

              • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                Just like you did yesterday, Chris, you’re leaving out a central point in the argument that somebody is making. Allow me to quote the post’s author, Joe. Emphasis is mine.

                A simple four-week replacement for A-Rod might not be the most prudent roster move it were for that sole purpose. Why pay millions, plus players in a possible trade, if you’re getting your All-Star third baseman back after just a month of the season? As I’ve argued before, the move would strengthen the bench after A-Rod’s return, making a move a bit more likely. Teahen would be ideal is that situation, since he can play more positions than Grudzielanek…

                This is all to say that I think a short-term replacement would be a good idea now if that player can slide to the bench after A-Rod’s return, preferably filling in at many positions rather than just as a utility infielder. If a free player or a trade makes any degree of sense in that regard, I’d like to see Cashman pounce on it…

                So, again, Chris, you’re loudly railing against commenters for having the audacity to advocate for Mark Teahen or Mark Grudzielanek just to fill in for ARod for 6 weeks, when all the commenters advocating for Mark Teahen or Mark Grudzielanek are doing so with the intentions of having him fill in for ARod for 6 weeks AND then using that player as a valuable bench player who can provide value for the entire season. I don’t know why you constantly attempt to denigrate the wisdom of other people’s suggestions by leaving out key details and facets of their arguments. It’s annoying.

                I don’t much respect the opinions of a good many Yankee fans out there…….that’s something I’m sure you’ve noticed by now.

                Yes, I have. It’s something you may want to consider trying; many of those fans whose opinions you don’t respect are much smarter than you think.

                • Chris C.

                  So, again, Chris, you’re loudly railing against commenters for having the audacity to advocate for Mark Teahen or Mark Grudzielanek just to fill in for ARod for 6 weeks, when all the commenters advocating for Mark Teahen or Mark Grudzielanek are doing so with the intentions of having him fill in for ARod for 6 weeks AND then using that player as a valuable bench player who can provide value for the entire season.

                  Fair enough…….and I would take Grudz for that. But Mark Teahen is a waste of prospects and money.
                  And I’m not changing my opinion on this, just like I’m not waivering on Brett Gardner being the better option for the Yankees than Mike Cameron……something a ton of other fans disagreed with.

                  Yankee fans always want players from other teams over their own guys.

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  And I’m not changing my opinion on this, just like I’m not waivering on Brett Gardner being the better option for the Yankees than Mike Cameron……something a ton of other fans disagreed with.

                  Those fans, like myself, never said Cameron was the better option than Gardner. We said Cameron is the better option than MELKY.

                  I wanted to trade Cameron for MELKY, because I think Melky is pretty useless. That’s not the same thing as saying I prefer Cameron over Gardner. I prefer Gardner over Cameron but Cameron is a good way to hedge our bets and construct a roster more able to compete for a title in 2009.

                  Trading for Cameron would have allowed us to keep Gardner in reserve, at AAA, and still get quality CF production from Cameron, thus, allowing us to carry only one centerfielder and two utility infielders (instead of just one in Ransom) and thus, rendering all of this discussion about how to plug the ARod hole moot. Had we traded Melky for Cameron, we’d be in much better roster flexibility shape right now.

                  So again, you’re conflating the argument to make the other man’s position seem less intuitive than it actually is by either putting words in his mouth, leaving out important parts of his argument, or generally misrepresenting what it is he’s actually saying.

                • Chris C.

                  “many of those fans whose opinions you don’t respect are much smarter than you think”.

                  Okay, then. We’ll see if spending an extra 10 mill for Mike Cameron would have been better than sticking with Brett Gardner.
                  Then we’ll see how smart those Yankee fans are.
                  But until then, aside from you and a few others, there aren’t many fans on these boards whom I think are all that bright.

                • Chris C.

                  I wanted to trade Cameron for MELKY, because I think Melky is pretty useless.

                  What are you talking about? If you make that trade, they you have to start Cameron because he’s making 10 mill a year. So it’s the same thing…….spending an extra 10 mill to start Cameron over Gardner. Dumb.

                • http://evilempire20.com/ Ryan S.

                  I gotta agree with you here Chris, in that we were better off sticking with Gardbrera than snagging Mike Cameron. In a vacuum I’d agree with what TSJC said, about how Cameron is good for hedging our bet and increasing are odds for winning in 2009 while adding roster flexibility, but that $10M contract would be a major pain in the ass. If we had spent the dough on him in the middle of the off-season like it looked liked we may have, it could have affected our pursuit of Andy Pettitte or even possibly Mark Teixeira (remember, the Melky for Cameron rumors started right after the winter meetings, before we snagged Tex)- if acquiring Cameron had proven to be an obstacle for getting either of those two players, that would have been a baaaaad baaaaaad move.

                • Chris C.

                  Trading for Cameron would have allowed us to keep Gardner in reserve, at AAA, and still get quality CF production from Cameron, thus, allowing us to carry only one centerfielder and two utility infielders (instead of just one in Ransom) and thus, rendering all of this discussion about how to plug the ARod hole moot. Had we traded Melky for Cameron, we’d be in much better roster flexibility shape right now.

                  Well of course you can have better roster flexibility if you spend 10 million bucks to do it, Mr. Moneybags.
                  But the Yankees spent a ton in the offseason, and they didn’t want to spend another 10 mill on a strikeout artist. I don’t blame them.

                • Chris C.

                  “Trading for Cameron would have allowed us to keep Gardner in reserve, at AAA, and still get quality CF production from Cameron, thus, allowing us to carry only one centerfielder and two utility infielders (instead of just one in Ransom) and thus, rendering all of this discussion about how to plug the ARod hole moot. Had we traded Melky for Cameron, we’d be in much better roster flexibility shape right now.”

                  And the Yankees probably wouldn’t have signed Andy Pettitte if they added Cameron’s salary. So that small bit of flexibility is better in your mind that adding Pettitte? And what if Gardner keeps hitting the way he’s hitting this spring, and Cameron didn’t hit that well? Then that would be the second straight year you’re telling Gardner to go back to the minors despite outhitting his center field competition…….something he also did last spring.

                  I’m certainly not high on Pettitte, but I’m lower on Cameron. That would not have been a wise move.

                • Chris C.

                  “So, again, Chris, you’re loudly railing against commenters for having the audacity to advocate for Mark Teahen or Mark Grudzielanek just to fill in for ARod for 6 weeks, when all the commenters advocating for Mark Teahen or Mark Grudzielanek are doing so with the intentions of having him fill in for ARod for 6 weeks AND then using that player as a valuable bench player who can provide value for the entire season.”

                  If the Yankees were so concerned about another bench player for the remainder of the season, wouldn’t they have addressed this even before AROD’s injury?
                  I mean, they fully planned on going into the season with Ransom as their bench player…..so now all of a sudden they hate that idea, and feel they should spend a couple more mill and give up a prospect or two just because they’ll be without AROD for about 20 games?
                  Geez, talk about panicking.

            • Sly Robbie

              Cody Ransom is Ralph Kramden to Mark Teahan’s Ed Norton. Sanitaion a.k.a New York’s Strongest beat the MTA hands down. Given the incredible amount of sewage and waste provided by New Yorkers every day, the SanMen do an awesome job. Ponder that vs. the level of efficiency of your typical crosstown bus.

            • Chris C.

              “Mark Teahen has looked good at the minor league level AND at the major league level for whole seasons, and then had one bad year last year. You’re acting like he’s a bust when the large sample size says he’s good and the smaller sample size says he’s average.”

              I’m not acting like he’s a bust. I’m acting like he’s just not that big of an upgrade if it means taking on his 4 million dollar contract, and giving up a prospect or two. And he wasn’t bad last year. He was AWEFUL last year. 131 k’s, and 46 walks??? What the hell is that?

  • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

    Other than that, can anyone else think of some minor league contract guys who could serve the Yanks’ purposes?

    Eric Gagne and Dave Roberts?

    http://www.instantrimshot.com

  • A.D.

    The recently released Estaban German could be a target. I’d take him over Berroa

    • Tex Premium

      A.D., I think you’re right on target here. We’re talking free talent that plays multiple positions and can work a count. German’s the clear choice. Berroa is trash.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Yes, but German plays all those positions quite poorly. Grudz doesn’t play the outfield like German does, but he plays the infield quite well, and he also outhits German by a fairly wide margin.

        If we’re adding one available free agent utilityman, it should probably be Grudz over German, no? The only benefit I see German having over Grudz is the ability to play the outfield, but with Damon/Swisher/Nady/Gardner/Melky, I think we’re covered there.

        • Tex Premium

          TSJC – Very good points (Esteban certainly won’t be used much in the outfield), but I think German offers Girardi a little more as a bench player. He’s just 2 seasons removed from an 850+ OPS year, something Grudz hasn’t had in a while. Granted, that sample is only around 300 PA, but if he saw 300 PA with the Yanks in ’09 something went awry in a big way. German’s also in his age 31 season, so there’s reason to believe he’s at the back end of his prime years. German’s wheels are probably better at this point in their careers. 2006 GG aside, Grudz isn’t remarkably better afield than German (at least based on UZR).

          In the end, it’s 6 of one, half dozen the other. Their PECOTAs are extremely similar. I think I prefer German because it seems he’d be more willing to man a Stadium concessions booth in a pinch. Grudz, a longtime veteran of the majors, may be more resistant to that change.

          So who is cheaper to sign? He gets my vote. Berroa must still be jettisoned either way. Trash.

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            2006 GG aside, Grudz isn’t remarkably better afield than German (at least based on UZR).

            Yes, he is. Grudz has never posted a negative number in UZR/150 since they started compiling the stat. German’s UZR/150 numbers are a horrorfest at every position.

            http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1449&position=2B/3B#fielding

            • Tex Premium

              I’d call Chase Utley/Orlando Cabrera/Adrian Beltre “remarkably better” defensively than German – not Grudz, who’s just plain better…at 2nd. His UZR declined sharply last year. Also, Grudz’s grand total of ~15 innings on the left side of the diamond in the last 8 seasons don’t inspire a ton of confidence in his arm strength at this point. You’d have to figure he *never* plays at 3rd and rarely at SS for a reason. If you’re suggesting Cano go to 3rd and Grudz to 2nd, then I guess I understand your argument for his defensive value a little more.

              German’s lousy defensively but Grudz shows nothing that says he’s the next Nettles or Brosius at 3rd either.

  • Pete Law

    Gagne is done, why try to force him into a bullpen that is already full with much younger and talented players then a former juicing closer who can’t even crack the Brew Crew.

    Dave Roberts is another corner outfielder who can’t really run anymore. We have Damon and Matsui in that hole that doesn’t need to be filled.

    • Expired Milk

      His post

      —————

      Your head

      • kunaldo

        haha exactly

      • Drew

        LOL

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      It was a joke. I assumed nobody would actually take me seriously that I’d remotely entertain the thought of adding Eric Gagne.

      Did you not see the http://www.instantrimshot.com ?

      • http://evilempire20.com/ Ryan S.

        Whenever my thought process takes me to “maaaaaybe he’d do ok as a mop up reliever in Petco if they used him the right way” … I know a pitcher is done.

  • MattG

    UZR at 3B is really, really bad. But I still love it. Melky straight-up.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      What use would the Royals have for Melky? He’d be even further down their OF depth chart than he is for us. I assume it would be Teahen for prospects, preferably of the pitching variety.

      I threw out Teahen for Aceves and Humberto the other day… thoughts?

      • MattG

        Teahan is a bench player earning $3.75M. KC will be happy to be rid of his salary.

        Aceves OR Humberto would be plenty–but the Yankees need a taker for Melky or Nady before activating Rodriguez from the DL. With Teahan on board, Ransom is still needed, so another roster spot must go. Three-way trade?

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          I’d guess that we’d go with this setup now:
          C-Posada
          1B-Tex
          2B-Cano
          SS-Jeter
          3B- Addition X (Teahen, Grudz, German, etc.)
          LF-Damon
          CF-Gardner
          RF-Swish/Nady

          4th OF-Swish/Nady
          5th OF-Melky
          C-Molina
          IF-Ransom

          And then, when Nails comes back, Addition X goes to the bench and Melky goes the way of the dodo. Provided, of course, that Gardner continues to post solid numbers.

          Don’t hold your breath on that three-way trade, btw.

          • http://evilempire20.com/ Ryan S.

            This demonstrates why Grudzie is clearly the best choice if we were to make a move, even when you don’t factor in grit. I’d much rather send Ransom through waivers than Melky, who could be used in place of a C+ graded prospect in some kind of trade package down the line.

          • MattG

            I dunno–I really think KC would love to dump the salary. If the Yankees wanted to, I am sure they could ship Nady to Atlanta or SF for a fair prospect, and get Teahan. I wouldn’t want to give up Nady for Teahan even up, though–even a free agent to-be Nady.

            I don’t see it working with Melky…I’ll give you that.

            • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              Oh, I agree that they’d love to move the salary. I’m just saying they’d move it for pitching, not for Melky, who’s useless to them. Perhaps Aceves and Humberto is too high, though, maybe Aceves and a lesser prospect, like something in the Wordekemper stratosphere…

        • Chris C.

          “Teahan is a bench player earning $3.75M. KC will be happy to be rid of his salary.”

          They’ll do backflips……..

          “Aceves OR Humberto would be plenty”

          ……followed by sommersaults and jumping jacks..

      • Chris C.

        “I threw out Teahen for Aceves and Humberto the other day… thoughts?”

        I think that’s aweful. Teahen was putrid last season, and you want to acquire him for a rookie starter who looked decent in the majors last season, and the top arm from the Sheffield deal?

        I must be missing something, Tommy…..what is it about Teahen that makes you think he’s so much better than Cody Ransom that it’s also worth getting rid of Aceves and Sanchez as well?

        Low OBP, tons of strikeouts, in decline at a young age. No thanks.

        • MattG

          True ‘dis, but–he’s a nice ball player. He needs to get away from KC. He’s got several .350/.420 seasons in his future if he can escape that town.

          Over under on inside-the-park homers for Teahan in Yankee Stadium: 1.5.

          • Chris C.

            “True ‘dis, but–he’s a nice ball player.”

            Teahan struck out 131 times last year, while walking 46 times. That’s not too nice.
            Not worth even bothering.

            • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              He also managed to mix in 50 XBH with all those walks and strikeouts. That IS nice, and definitely worth bothering.

              • Chris C.

                He also managed to mix in 50 XBH with all those walks and strikeouts. That IS nice, and definitely worth bothering.

                It all amounted to a .255 BA, and around a .300 OBP. Whoopee.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          That rookie starter who looked decent in the majors is also a Mexican League reclamation project that had pretty crappy peripherals and is dying for a course correction, and the top arm from the Sheffield trade is a guy I like but whom unfortunately doesn’t appear to have the durability to be a starter, thus drastically reducing his value. I’m sorry, but Al Aceves and Humberto Sanchez have value, but not so much value that you don’t move them in a deal to help the team. And Teahen can help the team. Probably much more than Cody Ransom can.

          Like we said about Dan Giese last year and Aaron Small before that, there’s a reason that you shouldn’t get excited about 30 year old career minor leaguers, they always fall back down to earth. Cody Ransom will fall back down to earth and we know it. If I have a hole to plug at 3B, I’d much rather do it with Teahen than Ransom.

          • MattG

            It’s not real clear to me what Teahan has over Esteban German, who is freely available.

            I can’t get into Grudzielanek.

            • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              Again:

              Mark Grudzielanek has a career wOBA of .321 and has been a good-to-excellent defender his entire career at 2B and SS, two of the hardest positions on the diamond. He likely would play a good 3B and hit well enough to not be a black hole.

              Mark Teahen has a career wOBA of .328 and has played an average-to-good 3B, LF, CF, RF, and 1B and has experimented at 2B. He likely would play a passable 3B and would hit well.

              Esteban German has a career wOBA of .330, but in far, far fewer plate appearances than the other two. Most recently, he put up a putrid .285 wOBA in 2008, and he just lost his job in spring training; not a good sign. He’s also been pretty much a butcher in the field, playing a bad 2B, a bad SS, a bad 3B, and a subpar OF.

              Of the three options, he intrigues me the least. He probably has the worst bat, and he’s definitely the worst fielder.

              • MattG

                Maybe wOBA isn’t the end-all, be-all. Grudz doesn’t take a walk, and has the worst OBP outlook of the three. He is also a hitter dependent upon contact, which could disappear in a hurry at age 39.

                They are all Royals, but only Grudzielanek was ever actually given a prolonged chance to play, and it is possible that Teahan and German were both just jerked around too much to find their grooves. Looking at their minor league stats, either projects to be at least a useful major leaguer, and looking at 2009 projections, both seem to be better offensive options.

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  But, based on recent history, which includes last year with Grudz playing at an advanced age, both Grudz and German look to be guys who can give you OBP’s in the .330-.340 range. And while German is a better slugger than Grudz, the offensive advantage he could potentially give you, if German can somehow stop and revers his Melkian downward slide offensively, it’s probably negated by the fact that Esteban German is a bad, bad, defender.

                  We can’t keep ignoring the defensive side of the equation. German hasn’t shown the ability to play any position, other than 1B, well. That’s why he’s still probably the last of the three options.

              • http://evilempire20.com/ Ryan S.

                Grudzie is also a FREE AGENT. Why bother trading away talent for Teahan when you can get Grudzie, who has a comparable wOBA and is capable of playing all the positions we need a bench guy for, not just third. Teahan has the bat, German has the versatility (and even then, not really), but Grudzie has both.

              • http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/9273/immagineus7.jpg Mike Pop

                Of the three options, he intrigues me the least. He probably has the worst bat, and he’s definitely the worst fielder.

                Well, that is what CashSux is goingg to do then, bank on it.

              • Chris C.

                “Mark Teahen has a career wOBA of .328 and has played an average-to-good 3B, LF, CF, RF, and 1B and has experimented at 2B. He likely would play a passable 3B and would hit well.”

                He is not very good at 3rd base at all. I don’t know where you came up with that.

                “and has experimented at 2B.”

                Good for him. ANYONE can “experiment” at a position, and play it poorly.

                He likely would play a passable 3B and would hit well.”

                He might……he might not. But I don’t understand why it’s “likely” that he will.
                If he is such a bargain, why isn’t the league lining up to snatch him from KC?

          • Chris C.

            Cody Ransom will fall back down to earth and we know it.

            Jesus! You act like we’re talking about the heir apparent to AROD! We’re talking about 1 1/2 months, then you’re back on the bench.

            If Cody Ransom falls back down to Earth in June, I could give a shit. But as far as April and May go, nobody in the world can predict which players will jump out of the gate quickly.
            Usually some real crappy players are around .400 at that point. Or you had Bernie Williams hitting around .100.

            My guess is that the Yankees are not looking to add payroll or trade players because this is not a big freaking deal, and there are no surefire upgrades.
            It’s that simple.

            • http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/9273/immagineus7.jpg Mike Pop

              You really dislike Mr. Tsjc, don’t you?

              • Chris C.

                “You really dislike Mr. Tsjc, don’t you?”

                Nope……I think he’s one of the best posters on this board. If I didn’t like him, he wouldn’t be worth going back and forth with.

            • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              http://riveraveblues.com/2009/03/rosenthal-yanks-not-looking-to-replace-a-rod-8926/#comment-299275

              Chris, we’re not talking about just the first six weeks here. Read the damn post first. It explicitly says that adding someone only makes sense if we’re talking about players who can help the entire season. Stop conflating the argument.

              • Chris C.

                “Chris, we’re not talking about just the first six weeks here. Read the damn post first. It explicitly says that adding someone only makes sense if we’re talking about players who can help the entire season. Stop conflating the argument.”

                And Teahen is not helping the Yankees over the course of the season. Especially if he only gets sporadic playing time. Now you’re wearing me out, over a guy who is a reserve player at best.

                If the Yankees don’t like Ransom, they should go sign Grudz. But trading anyone for Teahen and taking on his salary is just stupid.
                But maybe it’s just possible that the Yankees kind of like Cody Ransom. I know I certainly don’t mind him, despite the small sample size.

                I mean really, aside from your theories of how high or low his ceiling is, or sample sizes, or how old he is, or any of that stuff, answer me honestly…….has Cody Ransom done anything since coming to the Yankees that has demonstrated that he has no clue what he’s doing?

                I actually like the fact that the Yankees are starting to give some of these guys a chance. I think it’s the right thing to do.

                • http://evilempire20.com/ Ryan S.

                  Ransom is ok – he’s different from guys like Gardner or the majority of the bullpen though, who are up-and-comers with legitimate upside. Ransom looks to me like the definition of a replacement level player, and I’m content with him taking over third base duties for a month and then being our utility guy. Teahen is a better player in a vacuum, I really don’t think you can debate that, but he’s not experienced playing the utility positions we need filled (the middle infield), so I don’t think he’s a great fit. Grudzie is my top choice, easily.

                • Chris C.

                  “Ransom is ok – he’s different from guys like Gardner or the majority of the bullpen though, who are up-and-comers with legitimate upside. Ransom looks to me like the definition of a replacement level player, and I’m content with him taking over third base duties for a month and then being our utility guy.”

                  I agree 100%. Like I said, the guy’s done nothing to cause the Yankees not to at least consider him.

                  “Teahen is a better player in a vacuum, I really don’t think you can debate that”

                  Oh, based on his three year career, I don’t deny that. But based on the season he had last year, I don’t think you bring Teahen in here and just hand him the starting job over Ransom.

                • http://evilempire20.com/ Ryan S.

                  Ransom’s career minor league BA/OBP/SLG (over 11 seasons): .242/.322/.426

                  He’s just not that good. You really seem too enamored with his handful of major league games in 2008. At least Teahen is good enough to play for a shitty team.

                • Chris C.

                  “He’s just not that good. You really seem too enamored with his handful of major league games in 2008.”

                  I think he’s a servicable major league backup……..and apparently, so do the Yankees. I think “enamored” is a bit strong.

                  “At least Teahen is good enough to play for a shitty team.”

                  I think that basically tells you just how shitty the Royals really are, and nothing more.

            • http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/9273/immagineus7.jpg Mike Pop

              The idea isn’t just for one month, it is to improve the bench and have a valuable player for the whole year while having the offensive upgrade during A-Rod’s absence. He is completely right, you fail to miss the points of his “arguments”. Also, who knows if A-Rod comes back when he is scheduled, Mo willing.

              It’s that simple.

              • Chris C.

                You’re calling Teahen a “valuable player”?
                Whatever.

                • http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/9273/immagineus7.jpg Mike Pop

                  Yes, actually. He would be a pretty valuable player off the bench as mentioned in Joe’s? post yesterday.

                • Chris C.

                  Not needed.

                • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

                  He’d definitely be better than any bench option the Yankees currently have. He’s not worth Aceves/Sanchez, but he’s better than Ransom.

                • Chris C.

                  But he’s not that much better that you’d take on his 4 mill salary, and give up prospects. How is this not understood? Cashman seems to understand it.

          • Chris C.

            “I’m sorry, but Al Aceves and Humberto Sanchez have value, but not so much value that you don’t move them in a deal to help the team.”

            You don’t move Aceves and Sanchez for Teahen. That is ridiculous, and not even worth discussing.

          • Chris C.

            “Cody Ransom will fall back down to earth and we know it.”

            Boy, I hope people in your profession give you 10 times the chance to succeed than you’re willing to give Cody Ransom.
            You’re acting like the guy played himself into exile last year with the limited chance he got.

          • Chris C.

            This is a perfect example of some Yankee fans not being happy unless the team makes a million pointless trades that have no redeeming value whatsoever.

            They then talk the trades up, and soonafter realize they did nothing to make the team better. Happens every year.

      • Drew

        I’d rather sign a FA then lose a potential ML starter. We may only need an extra 3rd basemen for a month and then Ransom is a perfect bench utility guy. I’d still rather Grudz than seek a trade, unless they want to take Kei “Cool Glasses Inside and Out” IGAWA!

        • Bo

          KC is looking to dump payroll. They won’t be asking for much.

          • Drew

            True but In like Aceves I wouldn’t trade him..

      • Chris C.

        “What use would the Royals have for Melky?”

        Well for one, he saves them about 3 million bucks on their payroll.
        We’re talking about the ROYALS here…..they’d be as happy about that as the Yankees are when they ADD 30 mill to their payroll!

  • Chris

    It wouldn’t surprise me to see A-Rod back for the home opener. That would be just under 6 weeks, and I wouldn’t bet on it happening, but it wouldn’t surprise me to see him there.

    • http://evilempire20.com/ Ryan S.

      Personally, my money is on him being in the lineup just in time to make the trip to Fenway.

  • http://ranger2709.blogspot.com Old Ranger

    Ransom is good enough to man 3rd base until A-Rod gets back. No, he is not anywhere near being A-Rod but, he gives us defence at 3rd and can hit big league pitching. He is 33 years old and can play as well (or better) then some of the people mentioned above…also, plays; SS, 2nd, and 1st.
    Granted his hitting is about avg., (-), he isn’t terrible at all…remember we won a WS, before A-Rod took over at 3rd. It is only for 20/25 games. he won’t kill us out there.
    If we trade or sign someone, we need to put someone out there for another team to pick up, who would that be?

  • NickyTheSwish

    Just out of curiosity, has anyone ever called Mike Francesa to let him know just how nauseatingly ignorant he is about baseball? He is pretty well known and probably has a pretty considerable impact on the opinions of many Yankees fans and he is flooding their heads with the same tired nonsense about RBIs, wins, and saves. He is advocating batting Robinson Cano 4th in A-Rod’s absence based solely on the fact that “he had 97 RBIs in the 8th spot a couple years ago so he could probably put up about 125 RBIs if he’s batting clean up.”

    • http://ranger2709.blogspot.com Old Ranger

      But, but, what about all the pressure?

    • http://evilempire20.com/ Ryan S.

      Cano in the 4 hole would be YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOGE.

    • pat

      They have call screeners who won’t let you on if you’re going to refute the ‘cesa. Unless you have something even dumber than what Francesa says then they’ll let you on so Mike can take you down and look like a superior mind.

      • A.D.

        have to bait and switch:

        Screener: What are you looking to talk about?

        Caller: I want applaud ‘Cesa on how Joba in the 8th inning is the best move, that the game he outduled Beckett wasn’t dominating, and that cash is sux0r

        Screener: alright sounds goo you’ll be on in a bit.

        ‘Cesa: We have caller x from wherever you’re on.

        Caller: ‘CESA X##@@!!!!$%^%

    • http://ranger2709.blogspot.com Old Ranger

      Do people still watch him? My neighbor down here in Tampa does, he says he likes a good laugh.

      • Bo

        I got a feeling you are the guys who have him on 5 hours a day.

        Because I refuse to believe you are listening to Tirico and Van Pelt and Kay while also whining about Francessa.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Michael Kays an annoying ‘tard. But yes, I listen to him, because

          Kay >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Francesa

          • Chris C.

            The problem with Kay is he only knows baseball.
            Let me re-phrase that…….he only knows YANKEE baseball.

            Francessa, for all his annoying tendencies, does know other sports. During football season, Francessa’s show is actually a good listen when he’s not busy trying to impress his guests with his knowledge.

        • http://ranger2709.blogspot.com Old Ranger

          I think you may have it wrong. I don’t watch him at all, my neighbor does…he tells me his rhetoric is so egregious as to make it funny.
          The only three blogs I read are; “LoHud”, “The Yankee Universe” and “SWB”…of course, the best one, RAB! I guess that makes it four, so be it.
          There are a few on this blog that watch him, time is to regimented and valuable to waste…for me.

  • Drew

    I read an excerpt of Rosenthals article on MLBTR. From what I read he said that Cash won’t make a big deal; ie: Atkins or someone along those lines. As far as Grudz, I don’t consider him a big move, in fact, signing a guy like that wouldn’t even guarantee them a job.

  • Bo

    Just trade for Teahan. he’ll help the subpar bench out in the long run this yr anyway.

  • scott a

    Blake Dewitt should be the Yankees target. He would be a nice backup to Arod this year and move to the outfield next year.

    • http://evilempire20.com/ Ryan S.

      Let’s just say fuck it and trade for Justin Upton, force him to learn how to play 3B in three weeks time, and then use him as a utility guy the rest of the year, then move him to the outfield next year.

      • dan p

        Where is Blake Dewitt going to play with the Dodgers? He would make a very nice versatile player for the Yankees going forward. If you are going to pay a big price it might as well be for someone with a future.

        • http://evilempire20.com/ Ryan S.

          You make it sound like Cashman is going to call Ned Coletti and go “Hey, I want DeWitt, gimme gimme” and poof, we have him on our roster. DeWitt is gonna cost us quality prospects of our own, and those guys have futures too.

          • dan p

            Sure why not? The worst that could happen is Coletti laughs. The Dodgers maybe could use some back end starting pitching and Aceves plus more could work as a beginning point. Aceves Mexican heritage could become a nice draw at Dodger Stadium.

            • http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/9273/immagineus7.jpg Mike Pop

              …and Coletti sucks.

            • Chris C.

              “Sure why not? The worst that could happen is Coletti laughs.”

              If you’re a GM, you don’t really want to get into the habit of making other GM’s laugh at your trade proposals. One thing Cashman has always been with his counterparts is fair, and that reputation has served him well throughout the league.

              If you start making them laugh, they stop taking your calls.

      • donttradecano

        there’s this kid named Longoria… i heard his team wants to dump him.

  • RK

    What about Dallas McPherson (about 40+ HR’s in AAA last year)?

  • Mark

    I would go for a lefty simply so we can use Ransom’s major career platoon splits to our advantage. Guys who are either on MiLB contracts or could be acquired cheaply include:

    Jack Hannahan, Oakland — only plays 3B, one of the best fielders in the league, takes walks but low average and Ks too much

    Russ Adams, Toronto, — also plays 2B, SS and OF, some power and speed, limited defense

    Ruben Gotay, Atlanta — also plays 2B and SS, little offensive upside, severe platoon split for a switch-hitter

    Mike Lamb, Milwaukee — also plays 1B and OF, decent track record, coming off a terrible season, inconsistent defense

    Doug Mientkiewicz, LAD — former Yankee, played 30 games at 3B for Pittsburgh in 2008, takes walks, good glove work

    Corey Koskie, ChC — known for a great glove and some pop, coming off 18 month layover due to post-concussion problems

    Available righties include: Ronnie Belliard, Omar Infante, Esteban German, Jose Castillo, Andy Phillips, Clint Barmes, Mike Morse, Ryan Raburn and Wes Helms

    • Tom Zig

      Andy Phillips? Yes!

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        I agree, we should get Andy Phillips.

        Or, even better, get a guy who looks like Andy Phillips so that we can continue to get the high-quality washed-up-gullible-pornstar-and-stripper poontang than ARod was so good at getting. We have a void on this team, and only an Andy Phillips impersonator can fill it.

      • jsbrendog

        make sure its the realandy phillips and not some guy who thinks youre a porn star

        • http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/9273/immagineus7.jpg Mike Pop

          Does Ms. Delia come along in a package deal?

    • A.D.

      Barmes is pretty useless outside Colorado

    • Chris C.

      Looks more like a list of “Guys who the Yankees can get just for the sake of making a trade who’s names are not Cody Ransom”.

      I like the platoon idea, though. That’s something nobody’s brought up before.

  • Sweet Dick Willie

    not when the third baseman is slated to miss as few as 23 games

    Let’s say Alex misses 20 games. Can’t you just see the Yanks going 15-5, and then when he comes back, they go 10-10 in their next 20.

    Obviously they would just be regressing to their mean, but can you imagine what the nitwits would have to say?

    • jsbrendog

      team goes 15-5 without him, he comes bakc they for 10-20, he hurts himself, has the surgery, out for year, yankees win world series. jeter/posada/rivera/pettitte given halos and wings, tex a true yankee, grit gardner gritties sumbitch ever…..

      arod, douche

  • Jim

    Why not trade for Longoria?

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Eva?

      • Tom Zig

        What would Tony Parker be asking in return?

  • BG

    I’d offer a package built around Ian Kennedy, maybe a bullpen arm and/or a couple other prospects for Brandon Inge. He could play third until A-Rod is ready, and provide insurance at C and CF, which are the other two biggest question marks.

    • http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/9273/immagineus7.jpg Mike Pop

      No.

    • http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/9273/immagineus7.jpg Mike Pop

      No, thank you.

    • Chris C.

      “I’d offer a package built around Ian Kennedy, maybe a bullpen arm and/or a couple other prospects for Brandon Inge.”

      The only team that wants Ian Kennedy on the mound these days is the opposing team.