Scout’s take on Pena, Nunez

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Ken Rosenthal spoke to a scout recently about two players who have gotten a lot of exposure this spring thanks to the WBC, Eduardo Nunez and Ramiro Pena. “They’re two of the better young kids I’ve seen … two legitimate core players for the future,” the scout said. “They’re not that far from being major-league ready — they have some tools and they know how to play.” While no one questions their defense, there are concerns about their offense, however the scout added “Their offense will not keep them from playing — they have at least survivor skills with the bat.” Survivor skills with the bat? Who does that remind you of? (h/t Steve H)

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  • pat

    Hopefully this is the year Nunez puts his ish together. He could easily be jeters successor.

    • http://www.retire21.org Mike R. – Retire 21

      That my friend…is a shot at Jeter.

  • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

    The 2011 SS will be. . . . . JJ Hardy.

    Jeter in LF.

    • Mike Pop

      Hanley.

      • Drew

        My dreams would be fulfilled..

      • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

        Hanley’s a great bat, but he’s a butcher defensively. I know he was better last year, but the consensus seems to be he will move off short as he ages and I’ve read that he could move within the next few years. That doesn’t work for us.

        • Drew

          Plus he’s really filling out his frame. He’s about 20 lbs heavier than opening day last year. But who knows how much of that was gained during the season last year.

        • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

          As crappy as Hanley is anecotally, 2007 was really his only awful season in the field. He was “only” -6.2 UZR/150 in ’06 and was only -0.3 UZR/150. In ’08, his PMR tally was also good, ranking him 13th in the majors with 7.16 RAA/4000*. His FRAA was also vastly improved this season, going from -21 to -3. Obviously, it’ll take another year of data, but we could be seeing the beginning of a defensive up-swing for the young Ramirez.

          *

          http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2008/11/8/656639/2008-ss-defense-by-pmr

      • http://www.bronxbaseballdaily.com Bronx Baseball Daily

        That would be great. I would have settled for Addison Maruszak.

    • http://www.retire21.org Mike R. – Retire 21

      Jesus Montero. Everyone knows he won’t stick at C, might as well move him to SS. You’re welcome Cash!

      • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

        Genius!

      • Steve H

        Montero and Youk at SS will be this decades Jeter/Nomar.

        You are obviously joking about Montero, but there were a ton of Sox fans who called into the radio over the winter saying to sign Tex, leave Lowell at 3rd, and slide Youk over to SS. There were even a few, “who needs Tek, just make Youk a catcher” calls.

        • Mike Pop

          Hah. That’s like my brother-in-law was telling me how people were calling in saying, trade Brady, and keep Cassell.

      • A.D.

        but hes too big to be a SS!!!11!!!

    • Steve H

      I’d be thrilled with that. Do you think we’d have to get Hardy sooner though? I think they’d try to move him before next year, with Escobar taking over full time. Either that or they move Hardy to 3rd for the year, but that could potentially hurt his trade value.

      • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

        Yeah, that’s possible. Though that screws up a smooth transition with Jeter. Jeter would have to be moved to LF mid season, and the Yanks don’t want to treat him like that, especially if he hasn’t played there at all. A mid season deal could get tricky.

        In order for that to work, the two GM’s would need to have discussions before the season starts, so the Yanks could have Jeter take some reps/play some games in LF from the beginning of the year. You don’t want to force him out there and have him embarrass himself and the organization.

        BTW-It’s also possible the Brewers lock up Hardy long term. If the Yanks really want him, they will need to send a lil birdie to his agent.

  • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

    Mike, you still high on Angelini after last year’s debacle in Charleston?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      I am, just not as high. It was his first year in full season ball, let’s give him the benefit of the doubt.

    • http://www.retire21.org Mike R. – Retire 21

      Remember when everyone soured on Suttle because he went 0 for life in Hawaii? I think Angelini is very talented, he was just over his head a bit in Charleston.

      • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

        I could live with a bad year at the plate, but the errors really bug me.

        • K.B.D.

          Derek Jeter’s first full year as a SS in pro-ball: 56 errors. Don’t read too much into it.

          • http://www.YouTube.com/kevyyankees Kevin G.

            And we all know how great of a SS he is now.

            I’m sorry that was a shot at Jeter.

            • Drew

              16 years later man.

  • http://nyfaninboston.blogspot.com/ Manimal

    I like what I have seen from Nunez.

  • radnom

    Another quote from “a scout” in the same article


    “The first couple of times, he was awful; the third time, he was pretty good, up to 95,” the scout says. “It’s hard for a guy who is used to going in fourth gear to pace himself. It’s like telling a sprinter, ‘Now you’re going to run a marathon.’

    • Steve H

      There’s just no hope for B-Jobbers. Do they even bother looking at the stats? Did Joba struggle last year as a starter, which by the way, is more important than his first 2 Spring freaking Training outings????

      I know the scout said it, but shouldn’t Rosenthal either not print it because it makes no sense, or at least offer a counterpoint (the facts) to the statement?

      • Drew

        Plus Joba was in the high nineties his second and third time around the batting order.

    • Bryan

      I saw that too, does anyone remember that Joba has been a starter since his college days?!

      • Drew

        Little league days. (I think)

        • Steve H

          In the womb days. (I think)

      • radnom

        Seriously. You would think a “scout” would know something like that.

  • http://nyfaninboston.blogspot.com/ Manimal

    GAH! Don’t scroll down on Ken’s link! How dare you link to a BJobber!

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      “Joba has a bull-in-the-china-shop mentality” = “Jim Rice was the most feared hitter of his generation”

      • ClayBuchholzLovesLaptops

        “Jim Rice was the most feared hitter of his generation”

        Clearly, that’s a shot at Bucky Dent.

  • http://www.retire21.org Mike R. – Retire 21

    Somewhere in Toronto JP Ricciardi is calling a talk radio station right about now.

  • yankeefan91 Arod fan

    Tough loss for team USA but at least we get Jeter back in camp.

  • IE

    Nothing those scouts said made a bit of sense. Peña is a slick fielder but has never hit at any level and Nuñez hasn’t hit since he was an 18 year old for short season Staten Island. As for Joba, judging him by the first two starts of spring training is asinine.

  • Rich

    The way Jeter hit last season (OPS+ = 102), he has more to worry about than finding a new position.

    • Drew

      Worst full season in the majors. I’m saying down year. He’s been so consistent over his whole career, I mean, 2 seasons ago he was still good but last season too old? I think we’ll see good year, and don’t forget, his wrist did get hit last year and he wasn’t quite the same until he surged towards the end of the year and got his avg up.

      • mikef

        I hope for his return to known form, but seeing him roll his wrists over on every swing and hitting 2-hoppers to shortstop like it seems he has done over the last two years while I was watching the WBC makes me wonder if he has lost some power from his wrist/hands

  • Januz

    I see all the negativity towards Derek Jeter in this blog, most of it is undeserving. That being said, the reality is sports is a business and eventually he will be replaced. The question becomes when will it happen and who will be the replacement. My personal prediction is after the 2011 season, when his contract ends, and it will eventually be Angelini or Lassiter (Maybe in 2012).

    • steve (different one)

      contract ends after 2010

    • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

      You only see it as negativity because there’s rarely anything else that isn’t positive about Jeter. I’d say what’s taken as “shots at Derek Jeter” on this blog is merely just reality. Jeter’s getting older, his fielding has never been any great shakes, and he’s going to need to move off of his positions. How many shortstops his age stay effective at that position? Not many, my friend. Not many.

  • JohnC

    I can’t wait to see Garrison Lassiter. Will be at SI this year or the Gulf Coast League?