Yanks finish up pre-arb signings

2006 Dominance Factors
The RAB Radio Show - March 12, 2009 - Episode 18

The Yanks locked up the rest of their pre-arbitration players recently, agreeing to one year deals with Joba Chamberlain, Phil Hughes, Jose Veras, Phil Coke, Edwar Ramirez and Brett Gardner. Joba will make $433,000 this year, and Hughes will pull down $407,605 ($213,218 in the minors). The Yanks use a sliding scale based on service time to determine these salaries, so it’s not like there’s some super secret underlying reason why Joba will be making $25,000 more than Hughes. About a week and a half ago they locked up ten other pre-arb players, so now everyone on the 40-man roster is under contract. (h/t My Baseball Bias)

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2006 Dominance Factors
The RAB Radio Show - March 12, 2009 - Episode 18
  • A.D.

    BG & Coke better hope they make the big league club, big drop-off for both of them if they go to the minors

    • http://evilempire20.com/ Ryan S.

      Seriously. That’s probably been a huge motivator for them this entire ST, and I doubt its a coincidence they’re both putting up quality performances so far.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        That’s why Melky’s being such a lazy non-factor this spring: He’s making 1.4M, he’s set for life.

        That, and he’s Dominican.

        • http://evilempire20.com/ Ryan S.

          Y’know, I’m an idiot, I take back my previous statement. Grit Gritner plays for the love of the game and thrill of competition alone, and no matter whether he’s playing for some indepedent league or for the New York Yankees, he’s going to give 110% because that’s how you play the game.

          Meanwhile, Melky is probably daydreaming about his next siesta whenever he’s in centerfield.

          • A.D.

            Gritner would pay to play for the Yankees, get a job waiting tables during the day & still go 3-3 for the night game.

            • anonymous

              You’re thinking of Billy Gritstal.

        • Reggie C.

          LDS can be temporarily overcome by tough, old, white coaches.

  • GG

    Mike, is there some sort of formula or something for how they come up with the numbers? they seem so random. 433k (MLBTR says 432,575) why not 430? 435? or 450? nice round numbers.

  • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

    The Yanks use a sliding scale based on service time to determine these salaries, so it’s not like there’s some super secret underlying reason why Joba will be making $25,000 more than Hughes.

    I can only assume Joba’s making more than Hughes because the organization has abandoned all hope for Hughes and written him off as an uberbust. That’s the only logical conclusion that can be drawn from this shocking, shocking development.

    • Jack

      Hughes gets paycuts for not throwing 95 and not being chinese.

      • UWS

        Phil Hughes is not Chinese?!?!?!?!? Damnit!

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Heh, I almost forgot the “He’s not Chinese” meme. We’re going to have to dust that off, the season’s right around the corner.

      • http://evilempire20.com/ Ryan S.

        Could someone perhaps elaborate on the origination of the “Phil Hughes is not Chinese” meme? I don’t get it.

        • UWS

          I believe the “Phil Hughes is not Chinese” meme was originated by TSJC (who else?) to lampoon people who irrationally hate on Phil; e.g., Steve Lombardi.

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Yup.

            The hate on Phil is because he’s not some other, mythical imaginary pitcher that people want or expect him to be (i.e. not a hulking Roger Clemens type who blazes 100 mph fastballs).

            I just picked Chinese because it’s something he couldn’t possibly become.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Here, Ryan, I think I found the start of it:

          http://riveraveblues.com/2008/.....ent-164161

          Phil ended last season with that good start in September (after we were eliminated), and instead of people being happy about it, they were harping on the fact that he doesn’t throw 95 MPH. It snowballed from there. It’s basically the phenomenon that no matter how much good stuff Phil does, some people will never be satisfied with him, because he’s not this or that or the other.

          Hence, Phil Hughes’ problem is that he’s not Chinese.

          • http://evilempire20.com/ Ryan S.

            Hahaha thank you TSJC – I do love a good meme. You know what’s funny is that if there wasn’t that bogus report a while back about how he throws at 95 mph, that never would’ve been a complaint to begin with. As I’m sure you know, people thought he sat at 95, while all he ever did was touch it rarely, so people who finally got to see him pitch on TV were like OMG HIS VELO DROPPED! BUST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              You know what’s funny is that if there wasn’t that bogus report a while back about how he throws at 95 mph, that never would’ve been a complaint to begin with.

              Similarly, had Joe Torre not been utterly incapable of managing a big league bullpen, we would have never been forced to temporarily put our best prospect in Joba Chamberlain in a bullpen “role” and this whole B-Jobber nonsense would never have happened either.

  • Ed

    The Yanks use a sliding scale based on service time to determine these salaries, so it’s not like there’s some super secret underlying reason why Joba will be making $25,000 more than Hughes.

    Any idea what else goes into it other than service time?

    According to Cot’s Baseball Contracts, Hughes has 1 year, 125 days service time while Joba has 1 year, 55 days. DL adjustments maybe?

  • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

    At the very bottom of the CBS Sportsline article:

    Girardi said Veras, Ramirez and Coke have the inside track for bullpen spots based on their performances last season.

    So, with Edwar throwing today, the pen is definitely:
    Mo + Marte + Bruney + Edwar + Veras + Coke + ______________

    Sounds like a battle for the final bullpen spot between Albie, Robertson, Giese, Aceves, Tomko, and Melancon.

    • I Remember Celerino Sanchez

      I wouldn’t be surprised if Albaladejo or Robertson nudges out Edwar, based on Edwar’s late start and his past performance. But I think Albaladejo or Robertson would really have to earn it with their performances in ST.

      • http://evilempire20.com/ Ryan S.

        I’ve never been that high on Edwar myself, even though he’s shown glimpses of awesomeness. Unless he gets some more movement on his fastball though, I won’t feel all that comfortable with him on the mound. I like Albie for his ability to get groundball outs, and Robertson was such a beast in the minors that I’m definitely anxious to see him get another shot.

        I’m gonna pretend like I can read Girardi’s mind and say that Veras and Coke have more of an inside track than Ramirez does to get a bullpen job.

      • A.D.

        If Edwar is health, and doesn’t completely suck, I imagine he’ll get it after last year

    • J.R.

      I think Giardi really liked having a true long man out of the pen last year. My money is on Giese for that last spot.

    • Sweet Dick Willie

      Well, if we eliminate Melancon because the organization doesn’t want to rush him, and eliminate Geise, Aceves & Tomko based on yesterday’s discussion that we really don’t need a long man, that leaves Albaledejo and D-Rob battling for the last spot.

      Or maybe not. Girardi said Veras, Ramirez and Coke have the inside track, he didn’t say they are locks. Still over 3 weeks of ST left.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        “…and eliminate Geise, Aceves & Tomko based on yesterday’s discussion that we really don’t need a long man…”

        Wait, where in that discussion did we come to the unanimous conclusion that we don’t need a longman? I’d say yesterday’s discussion came to the non-unanimous consensus that a longman is valuable and a definite possibility for our 2009 pen.

        Especially since Aceves as a longman is not just some garbage, Pat Mahomes kind of longman, but actually a semi-decent spot-starting option and a usable arm in a typical short relief outing situation.

        (Giese and Tomko… not so much.)

        • I Remember Celerino Sanchez

          I agree. They need a long man. If Giese and Aceves can pitch like they did last year, I think either would be fine for the role.

        • Sweet Dick Willie

          It certainly wasn’t unanimous, but the consensus seemed that as long as Coke is in the pen and is capable of going multiple innings, it wasn’t necessary to add another long man.

          Certainly debatable, but I’m on board with only Coke as the long man.

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            I think my preference for the 7th spot in the pen would be:
            1) Albaladejo
            2) Robertson
            3) Aceves
            4) Giese
            5) Tomko

            with Giese and Tomko as a distant 4th and 5th.

  • Hawkins44

    From Bob Klapisch this morning….another moron like me…. sorry to open this can of worms….

    “Clearly, Chamberlain isn’t the horse the Yankees projected while he was crushing the competition in the minor leagues. Joba might have the unbreakable mentality of a latter-day Goose Gossage, but he’s fragile. His violent delivery ends with a stiff front leg — a recipe for long-term trouble that’s already reared its head. It’s a mechanical flaw Chamberlain will spend the rest of his career trying to fix.

    The Yankees would be wise to ask themselves: at what cost will Joba reach his 150-inning limit this year? Given his history of arm trouble, who’s to say Chamberlain can again withstand seven innings of work every fifth day? Who can assure the Bombers that his air-it-out, closer’s mentality didn’t wear him down by September?

    GM Brian Cashman and Joe Girardi should consider the possibility that Chamberlain’s 80 innings in the pen might be more valuable than 150 innings in the rotation. His outings will be shorter, more explosive, and he’ll only pitch when it’s critical.

    Point is, the Yankees have no other alternative for those eighth innings. Chamberlain — not Brian Bruney, not Damaso Marte nor Phil Coke — is the best bridge to Mariano Rivera. Meanwhile, Phil Hughes is having a terrific spring, ready to step into the rotation. Once again throwing strikes with his curveball, he’s yet to surrender a run this spring.”

    • A.D.
    • I Remember Celerino Sanchez

      Yes, and CC is heavy, so he gets the 7th inning. A.J. breaks down all the time, so he gets the 6th inning. Pettitte is old and fragile, so he gets the 5th inning. It all makes sense.

      Soon, the Red Sox will use Becket in the 8th (fragile), Matsuaka in the 7th (wild), and Lester in the 6th (cancer survivor).

      If Klapisch is right (which he’s not, but let’s pretend), then Joba won’t lose his ability to be a reliever next year, the year after, or the year after that. But if Klapisch is wrong (and he is), then we’ll never know.

      • Hawkins44

        I agree that we can always send him back to the bullpen, makes sense and I think that it will happen.

        You don’t know that Bob is wrong….and the argument has never been the preposterous, “put CC and Pettitte in the pen”

        The argument is Hughes is a great starting pitching prospect, henceforth, we get a good 5th starter and a shut down 8-9 inning.

        I hope he is lights out as a starter, me thinks he will be in the DL by June.

        • UWS

          I don’t see how “put CC and Pettitte in the pen” argument is any more preposterous than “let’s not even give a 23-year old kid a chance to fail as a starter before we stick him in the pen” argument.

        • I Remember Celerino Sanchez

          Nobody is actually arguing to put CC or Pettitte in the pen. What we are saying is, if you have a great pitcher, you start him. Nobody is suggesting that CC or Beckett or Holiday or Lincecum should be the 8th inning guy. Why? Because that would be insane.

          So with Joba, until it is 100 percent, absolutely clear that he is NOT a dominant starter, then he should be viewed as a starter. If it turns out in a two years that he can’t hack being a starter, he can always go back to the pen.

          But until that is proven, any talk of Joba to the pen is irrational. Again, it’s like arguing CC to the pen.

          • http://evilempire20.com/ Ryan S.

            You mean until it is 100% certain he’s not good enough to be a #3 quality starter, right? Because a quality #3 guy on a rotation is more valuable than the vast majority of closers.

            • I Remember Celerino Sanchez

              Absolutely. I should have said “successful” starter. I think he has potential to be a “dominant” starter, so that’s why I said it, I guess. But if he can be a #3 starter, that is still infinitely more valuable than being an 8th inning guy.

              Another thing the Joba to the bullpen crowd never explains is why the Yanks’ bullpen was fine last year after Joba went to the rotation? And you can easily argue that this year’s pen has the potential to be better.

              • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                Jamie Moyer helped the Phillies win the 2008 World Series more than Brad Lidge did.

                • http://evilempire20.com/ Your Average Fan

                  :::puts fingers in ears :::

                  LALALA IM NOT LISTENING LALALA THAT’S IMPOSSIBLE. I saw Brad Lidge never blow a save last year with my own eyes. I only saw Jamie Moyer be old.

                • jsbrendog

                  BUT LIDGE DIDNT BLOW ANY SAVES!!1!1!ELEVENTY!11!1

              • Joe R

                Can anyone get the stats to how many leads/ties were given up in the 8th inning last year with Joba as a starter?

                • kunaldo

                  i think when we had a lead after 6 or 7 we had a ridiculous record…i don’t remember what it was though, sorry

                • I Remember Celerino Sanchez

                  The Yanks only lost 4 games Joba started last year:

                  In his first start, he left in the third with the Yanks up 2-1, and they lost (BUT WHO WILL PITCH THE THIRD INNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!).

                  In another start on July 1 he hit his pitch limit with the Yanks losing 2-0 (they lost 3-2 after Mo gave up a run with the score tied 2-2 in the 9th).

                  In another start on July 11, he left after going 6 2/3 with the Yanks losing 3-0 to Halladay (they lost 5-0 after Traber gave up two more).

                  And in his last start, on August 4, he left after 4 2/3 with the Yanks losing 5-3 (they lost after Marte got lit up in that game when he threw 42 pitches and burnt himself out for weeks).

                  So, the Yanks didn’t lose a single Joba start because there was nobody to pitch the 8th.

                • kunaldo

                  exactly…i really hate this debate…any sane, logical person knows the right answer to it. yet people just love to romanticize sports, and they need to make things more emotional than they really are. had joba debuted in the majors as a starter, this debate would have never happened…sigh

        • http://evilempire20.com/ Ryan S.

          His delivery isn’t nearly as horrible as Bobby K. makes it sound. Yes, he has an abrupt finish, and yes, he’s more prone to injury due to it than say, Mike Mussina. But the kid is 23 years old and is being treated as carefully as humanly possible as a starter. He could go a solid 10 years without any type of symptoms of wear and tear, or it might take just 10 starts. it all depends. Its baseball – nothing is 100% certain. You just gotta go with his upside potential and see how it all works out.

    • J.R.

      And Mo has proved increddibly durable and “gritty” playing through injuries, so move him to the rotation.

    • http://evilempire20.com/ Ryan S.

      I’m just going to nitpick on one of the many idiotic statements here:

      “he’ll only pitch when it’s critical”

      This is one of the most significant logic gaps in the B-Jobber argument. I’m too lazy to look up any time of actual statistics, but we all know that there are many times during the season where a bullpen guy just needs to get some work in – like how sometimes Mo pitches the 9th in a blowout because he hasn’t been in the game for a few days, just as an example. Of the generous 80 innings Klapisch is estimating Joba would throw from the pen, I’d say at least 15 of them are in games where the run-differential is more than 4.

      When Joba starts, he always comes into a tie ballgame, and seriously, the first inning is just as, or even more critical, as the 8th or 9th, since what happens in the beginning of the game has a ripple effect throughout the rest of it. I know that its far from a scientific observation, but it holds water, right?

      • Hawkins44

        Yes, the first inning is as important as the 8, 9th, with one notable exception, we all know that it takes A certain pitching mentality to close – not everyone that has “good stuff” can get the last 3 or 6 outs. Your logic makes sense but it’s not the argument. The argument is Hughes over Joba in the fifth slot AND a strong backend of the bullpen AND a healthy Joba.

        This it’s the best Yankee debate out there so it’s the most fun – I hope he’s a stud and throws 180 innings.

        • I Remember Celerino Sanchez

          Hawkins, if Phil was as successful at the major league level as Joba has been, you could make the argument that he should get the spot over Joba.

          But, Phil has yet to have any kind of consistent success at the major league level. While Joba has been consistently successful, including as a starter.

          And, given Joba’s potential to be a dominant starter, and how much more valuable dominant starters are than 8th inning relievers, even if Hughes were to beat out Joba for the 5th slot, the logical result would be Joba starting in Scranton. Again, until we KNOW Joba’s not a starter, he should be a starter.

          As for mentality, there is a pressure in the 9th that seems to prevent some guys from closing successfully, but I’ve never heard of a reliever who couldn’t hack the 8th inning.

          • jsbrendog

            EXHIBIT A: kyle farnsworth

            • I Remember Celerino Sanchez

              Farsnworth couldn’t hack any inning.

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Hawkins, if Phil was as successful at the major league level as Joba has been, you could make the argument that he should get the spot over Joba.

            No, you couldn’t. If Phil was as successful as Joba was, then they should both go in the rotation and we should not have signed Andy Pettitte. And, if they were both successful starting pitchers and we still had Andy under contract, we wouldn’t have signed A.J. Burnett. And, if Phil and Joba were both good pitchers AND we still had Andy Pettite AND we signed Burnett, then we’d put Andy in the 8th inning role, because he’s CLEARLY the worst of the 6 starting pitchers we have in that scenario and hence, he earns the spot of minumum utility since he’s the pitcher of minimum excellence, and we don’t give a crap about hampering his development because he’s already old.

            YOU DON’T JUST STICK A GOOD YOUNG STARTER IN A NON-STARTING ROLE BECAUSE YOU CAN. You start him, because that’s where he helps your team the most.

            • I Remember Celerino Sanchez

              You know what I meant! I meant, that to say Hughes should start over Joba ignores that Joba has been consistently successfully at the MLB level, and Hughes has not.

              Clearly, if I’m running the Yanks, Joba is in my big league rotation, regardless.

            • Hawkins44

              Again, one could say I’m a moron… but like John Lennon said I’m not the only one, or was that a “dreamer”? I hope you are all right and I love the Farnsworth comment. He was actually very good when he came into non pressure situations….

              I agree with your statement UPSIDE, Hughes had a shity year last season so you just don’t know what he will do in the majors and Joba’s very limited body of work is much better. I will make two predictions:

              1) Joba is around 120 innings this year +5.0 ERA
              2) Hughes gets called up at some point 70-80 innings this year -4.5 ERA

              The great news is if Joba fails going back to the pen is not a big deal and Hughes, if he is as good as we think will be ostensibly ready to come up and dominate – which is the MOST valid argument to be made. Not the stupid put CC in the pen counter……

              • I Remember Celerino Sanchez

                The CC point is actually quite valid, if you look at what we mean when we say it.

                It simply means that if a pitcher can dominate as a starter, you put him there. If the 8th inning was more important, all the great starters would be pitching there. There is a reason CC, Halladay, Lincecum, etc. start.

                Applied to Joba, if he can be CC and Halladay, that has to be the first option.

        • http://evilempire20.com/ Ryan S.

          We have plenty of guys who are quality bullpen pieces already though. We’re going to have some mix of Edwar, Albie, Robertson, and Melancon all waiting around in the minor leagues when the season starts because we have too many live arms as it is. Hughes gives us a tremendous amount of depth in our starting rotation – I can give you a 99% assurance that Phil Hughes is going to be wearing pinstripes at some point this year, when one of the top 5 goes on the DL for some various reason. And its not like letting Phranchise have a full season of AAA under his belt is a bad thing, he can replace Andy in 2010, when he’ll still only be 23 years old.

        • Sweet Dick Willie

          not everyone that has “good stuff” can get the last 3 or 6 outs.

          Doesn’t the starter who throws a complete game kinda sink that argument? I mean, obviously, Halladay can get the last 3 or 6 (or 27) outs. I think maybe the head cases who can’t pitch in NY might have problems closing, but if you have “good stuff”, that “stuff” doesn’t know what inning it is.

      • I Remember Celerino Sanchez

        Ryan, I’ll give you a stat that not only backs up your argument, but is simple 2nd grade math:

        A run scored in the first inning = 1 run.
        A run scored in the second inning = 1 run.
        A run scored in the third inning = 1 run.
        A run scored in the fourth inning = 1 run.
        A run scored in the fifth inning = 1 run.
        A run scored in the sixth inning = 1 run.
        A run scored in the seventh inning = 1 run.
        A run scored in the eighth inning = 1 run.
        A run scored in the ninth inning = 1 run.

        So, every inning is equally “critical.”

        You an argue the psychology of pitching the 9th. I understand that. These players are humans, not computers. But no inning is more “critical” than any other.

        • Joe R

          But what if there was 2 runs in the 6th?!

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Allow me to restate. All intentionally poignant editing juxtaposition is mine.

      “Clearly, Schilling isn’t the horse the Phillies projected while he was crushing the competition in the minor leagues. Curt might have the unbreakable mentality of a latter-day Tug McGraw, but he’s fragile. His violent delivery ends with a stiff front leg — a recipe for long-term trouble that’s already reared its head. It’s a mechanical flaw Schilling will spend the rest of his career trying to fix.

      The Phillies would be wise to ask themselves: at what cost will Curt reach his 150-inning limit this year? Given his history of arm trouble, who’s to say Schilling can again withstand seven innings of work every fifth day? Who can assure the Phils that his air-it-out, closer’s mentality didn’t wear him down by September?

      GM Lee Thomas and Jim Fregosi should consider the possibility that Schilling’s 80 innings in the pen might be more valuable than 150 innings in the rotation. His outings will be shorter, more explosive, and he’ll only pitch when it’s critical.

      Point is, the Phillies have no other alternative for those eighth innings. Schilling — not Mike Hartley, not Wally Ritchie, nor Jose DeLeon — is the best bridge to Mitch Williams. Meanwhile, Andy Ashby is having a terrific spring, ready to step into the rotation. Once again throwing strikes with his curveball, he’s yet to surrender a run this spring.”

      • http://evilempire20.com/ Ryan S.

        :::head explodes:::

      • jsbrendog

        wow

      • A.D.

        Pure gold

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Fuck. I’m still pissed at this inanity.

      Let’s do it FJM style.

      ————————–

      Clearly, Chamberlain isn’t the horse the Yankees projected while he was crushing the competition in the minor leagues.

      That’s not clear at all. That’s just a speculation. I could similarly speculate when Johan Santana wasn’t the “horse” that the Twins initially thought he was that they made a huge mistake in wasting a 25-man spot on him in the Rule V draft. I would have been mistaken.

      Joba might have the unbreakable mentality of a latter-day Goose Gossage, but he’s fragile.

      He might also have the breakable mentality of Mr. Glass. None of that matters, though: Goose Gossage didn’t have the ability to be a starting pitcher. Joba does.

      His violent delivery ends with a stiff front leg — a recipe for long-term trouble that’s already reared its head.

      If you lived in Kansas and owned a car that had a flat tire and a bent axle, would you rip off all four wheels and put pontoons in their place, turning it into a boat? Or would you try to fix the car, since you live in KANSAS and have no need for a damn car-boat?

      It’s a mechanical flaw Chamberlain will spend the rest of his career trying to fix.

      Which doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be fixed. Nor does it mean that the mechanical flaw would somehow instantaneously disappear were he to be shifted to the bullpen. I don’t know if you’re aware of this, Mr. Klapisch, but relievers get injured too. At roughly the same rate starters do. And, if the reliever in question has a mechanical flaw in his delivery that’s causing the injury, it’s going to come back whether he pitches 200 innings or 20.

      The Yankees would be wise to ask themselves: at what cost will Joba reach his 150-inning limit this year? Given his history of arm trouble, who’s to say Chamberlain can again withstand seven innings of work every fifth day?

      Given his arm trouble, who’s to say he can again withstand 1 inning of work every 2nd day? Because, if you use him in the eighth inning, you’re going to warm him up and pitch him more frequently and on irregular rest. Sports physicians are nearly unanimous in their belief that the best plan for a pitcher to be on is one of regular, metronomic pitching every Nth day with regular, metronomic rest during all the intervening days. Moving him to the bullpen could easily INCREASE his risk of injury.

      Who can assure the Bombers that his air-it-out, closer’s mentality didn’t wear him down by September?

      Nobody can ever assure anybody of anything. This is why we use rational thought to attempt to decide on the most optimal non-guaranteed choice of action. That’s clearly not wasting a valuable asset like Joba Chamberlain in a role that Brian Bruney can and has handled with aplomb.

      GM Brian Cashman and Joe Girardi should consider the possibility that Chamberlain’s 80 innings in the pen might be more valuable than 150 innings in the rotation.

      Similarly, they should consider the possibility that wearing their underwear on their heads would increase their brain functioning, since it would keep their brain warm. However, after considering both those possibilities, they should immediately dismiss them because they’re FUCKING RIDICULOUS.

      His outings will be shorter,

      and thus less important or helpful,

      more explosive,

      which, if being able to be “explosive” meant jack shit would mean that Kyle Farnsworth was a good pitcher, and clearly, he wasn’t,

      and he’ll only pitch when it’s critical.

      namely, when the game is all but decided and the chance of Yankee failure is already at less than 3 chances out of 100.

      Let’s state this once and for all. THE EIGHTH INNING IS LESS CRITICAL THAN THE OTHER SEVEN THAT PRECEDE IT. THE NINTH INNING IS EVEN LESS CRITICAL THAN THE EIGHTH.

      Leads are created or destroyed in the first 7 innings of the game, by the STARTING PITCHERS. It is far, far more “critical” to have a good starter on the mound EVERY DAY giving you 6-7 good innings of preventing runs that allows your team to enter the 8th inning with a lead than it is to have a good 8th inning guy to merely preserve a lead you’ve already created. Virtually every big league pitcher in baseball can pitch one inning, even the boogeyman-inducing 8th inning, without giving up a run. This is why teams that have a lead entering the 8th inning win something like 90% of the games. If a team has a pitcher on it’s staff who is capable of pitching 7 innings and only allowing 3 runs, that man is more valuable doing just that than he is pitching one inning and allowing no runs. Even if he pitches that one inning more frequently or later in the game.

      The only role on a major league pitching staff less “critical” than the 8th inning bridge to the closer is the closer itself. Putting Joba in the 8th inning would be like killing man already dying from multiple stab wounds with a bazooka. A simple pillow over the face will suffice; the bazooka is better served killing other healthy men (i.e., games that start in the first inning).

      Point is, the Yankees have no other alternative for those eighth innings.

      …except for the literally dozens of other excellent alternatives they DO have for those eighth innings, like Brian Bruney, Damaso Marte, or Phil Coke.

      Chamberlain —

      who, we remind you again, IS A POTENTIAL ACE STARTING PITCHER,

      not Brian Bruney, not Damaso Marte nor Phil Coke —

      – all of whom are above average options who have demonstrated repeated ability to pitch ONE SINGLE INNING without giving up a run, thus making them eminently qualified to pitch the all-important “critical” 8th inning –

      is the best bridge to Mariano Rivera.

      And having a “bridge” to Mariano Rivera is so important, we trusted the role to Jeff Nelson and Mike Stanton, two guys who couldn’t sniff Joba’s jockstrap, for half a decade and it worked out like gangbusters. You know who Stanton and Nelson are? They aren’t Joba. They’re Brian Bruney, Damaso Marte, and Phil Coke.

      Meanwhile, Phil Hughes is having a terrific spring, ready to step into the rotation. Once again throwing strikes with his curveball, he’s yet to surrender a run this spring.

      And when he gets here, we can dump Pettitte and have a five man staff that is the best in baseball… something we had back when we won titles and had a non “explosive” bridge to Mo constructed of normal, everyday relief pitchers.

      Analysis fail.

      • A.D.

        This was my favorite:

        His violent delivery ends with a stiff front leg — a recipe for long-term trouble that’s already reared its head.

        If you lived in Kansas and owned a car that had a flat tire and a bent axle, would you rip off all four wheels and put pontoons in their place, turning it into a boat? Or would you try to fix the car, since you live in KANSAS and have no need for a damn car-boat?

        • jsbrendog

          i prefer this one:

          GM Brian Cashman and Joe Girardi should consider the possibility that Chamberlain’s 80 innings in the pen might be more valuable than 150 innings in the rotation.

          Similarly, they should consider the possibility that wearing their underwear on their heads would increase their brain functioning, since it would keep their brain warm. However, after considering both those possibilities, they should immediately dismiss them because they’re FUCKING RIDICULOUS.

          • I Remember Celerino Sanchez

            That was my highlight, too.

            I’d argue that Bruney can be better than Nelson and Coke can be better than Stanton. And I liked Nelson and Stanton.

            • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              That was my highlight, too.

              Juvenile gratuitous profanity FTW!

              • jsbrendog

                it was 80s pop culture like reference, although probably without notice by you, of the weird science bra wearing on the head type nonsense that did it for me. cause that’s what i pture when someone talks about wearing underwear on their head. two dudes trying to create a chick with a computer while wearing bras on their heads….

                rumor has it two stat geeks in their mom’s basement took enough tim away from their spreadsheets to try and create another albert pujols while wearing jock straps on thir heads.

                but ig uess that’s pretty juvenlie as well..carry on then.

      • http://evilempire20.com/ Ryan S.

        You should email that over to Bob Klapisch … or print it out, tape it to a rock, and throw it into his place of residence late at night.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        The funniest thing is that landing on a stiff front leg is like, the easiest fucking thing to fix in terms of pitching mechanics. Verlander had that problem came out of school, and they corrected it in one bullpen session.

        To paraphrase Rcik Peterson, you can fix that in 10 minutes.

        • http://evilempire20.com/ Ryan S.

          Just wondering … how come they haven’t fixed that with Joba yet then? Will they only do it if it becomes an issue in the first place?

        • Hawkins44

          No offense… but Verlander’s mechanical issues are far from resolved….

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Yes, but THAT SPECIFIC mechanical issue has been resolved.

            Klapisch’s example sucked. It’s like saying that Bernie Williams’s batting approach is doomed to fail because he can’t see the ball well… but Bernie can just go get LASIK surgery and boom, problem solved.

      • Sweet Dick Willie

        IMO, articles like this depict one of the major differences between old media (print or broadcast) and the blogosphere.

        Klapisch must generate content that can sell newspapers, even if that content is false, stupid or batshit insane. There is space that needs filling in the newspaper, and he has to fill it with something.

        Joe, Ben & Mike on the other hand, are free to write whatever they want. Slow news day in ST? That’s okay, we’ll run with a “Dominance Factor” post, or maybe something only tangentially related to the Yankees (or baseball).

        Since they have much more leeway, and since they are held instantly accountable by their readers, they are less like to post stupid shit, which, I sorry to say, best describes BK’s article.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          That, and they’re not idiots.

          That too.

          There’s plenty of other bloggers in the blogosphere that post idiotic, retarded, ridiculous crap that doesn’t make sense.

          • I Remember Celerino Sanchez

            And plenty of newspaper writers, with access to the players and management, who provide helpful information to fans.

            Yes, a lot FEWER than there use to be. But still.

            • http://evilempire20.com/ Ryan S.

              Ironically, I find a lot of that helpful information from a beat writer’s blog and not his actual newspaper articles (I’m referring to LoHud).

    • 27 this year

      The thing is, a pitcher is healthier as a starter because they have a set schedule and can pace themselves where relief pitchers are max effort, erratic schedules.

  • Doug

    where can i get the salaries of aceves, claggett, giese, and sanchez? those are the only ones i’m missing from the 40-man

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside
      • Doug

        thanks tommie, but was on cot’s earlier and those guys’ salaries are not listed. unless i’m just not going to the right spot. any help would be appreciated.

    • A.D.

      Yeah those don’t appear up anywhere, so maybe they’re not done signing everyone.