BA on Hughes & Kennedy

Joba through the eyes of Pitch f/x
AL East roundup: 4/6/09 through 4/12/09

Kary Booher at Baseball America checked in on Phil Hughes and Ian Kennedy following their season debuts with Triple-A Scranton over the weekend. Hughes struggled early with the fastball, but overcame it later and also worked on his change. Kennedy outdueled Carlos Carrasco, the Phil’s top pitching prospect, and showcased the improvement he made on his curveball during his winter ball stint. Even with the Yanks’ greatly improved rotation, I’m willing to bet these two get at least fifteen big league starts between them.

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Joba through the eyes of Pitch f/x
AL East roundup: 4/6/09 through 4/12/09
  • A.D.

    The Yankees late in spring training tweaked the shape to Kennedy’s curveball. While his fastball sat 90-92 mph on Friday, the curve showed nice signs—it’s shorter with a smaller break.

    Interesting they’re tinkering with IPK.

    • http://www.blogtalkradio.com/pics/hostpics/5e4be77c-8e57-4d7a-8533-add8ed030ad5JerkStore.jpg Slugger27

      “the curve showed nice signs-its shorter with a smaller break”

      is that something they did to make him have better control with it… in the majors he always threw it in the dirt, maybe theyre willing to sacrifice break for a little more command

  • http://www.blogtalkradio.com/pics/hostpics/5e4be77c-8e57-4d7a-8533-add8ed030ad5JerkStore.jpg Slugger27

    i guess ipk has leapfrogged aceves for the 7th starter role

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      It’s probably more that Aceves under-frogged them.

      What’s the opposite of leapfrogging?

      • Pel

        Bending over?

      • UWS

        Falling on your face?

      • Andy In Sunny Daytona

        Standing still.

      • A.D.

        Being leapfrogged

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Heh… no.

        • http://www.blogtalkradio.com/pics/hostpics/5e4be77c-8e57-4d7a-8533-add8ed030ad5JerkStore.jpg Slugger27

          genius!

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            No, not genius. The opposite of being leapfrogged is not being leapfrogged.

            • El Generalissimo

              Well what animal goes under. Im going to go with Kennedy snaked Aceves.

              • El Generalissimo

                ground-hogged?

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Hmm, I like this. Let’s go with the burrowing animals.

                  Is the opposite of leapfrogging:

                  A) groundhogging
                  B) moling
                  C) gophering
                  D) worming

                • UWS

                  I’ll with

                  C) Gophering

            • http://www.blogtalkradio.com/pics/hostpics/5e4be77c-8e57-4d7a-8533-add8ed030ad5JerkStore.jpg Slugger27

              your question: what’s the opposite of leapfrogging?

              his answer: being leapfrogged

              he never said the opposite of being leapfrogged is being leapfrogged cuz that wasnt your question

              in any event, my genius remark was obviously said in jest due to his severe lack of creativity

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                Yeah, I know it was kinda in jest, I just wanted to be deliberate about it.

      • http://www.youtube.com/kevyyankees Kevin G.
        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Touché.

  • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

    well, given Joba’s innings limit, it’s believable they will get some starts, especially if there’s a double header and all that.

  • AndrewYF

    OMG! 90-92! He’s a real prospect now!

    • Mike Pop

      Nah, bust!!!

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Fact: No pitcher incapable of throwing 98 mph has ever amounted to shit. FACT.

        • Mike Pop

          Krazy Kyle>>>>>>>Jamie Moyer.

  • Mike Pop

    Im glad Phil is working on the change. I hope his next callup is the last.

  • viridiana

    Interesting post. Thanks

  • Moshe Mandel

    I think the Yankees should use Kennedy now to pry one of the surplus outfielders away from the Nats- Dukes is sitting on the bench, and apparently Milledge is in the doghouse as well. You get one of those guys, the bench becomes really deep, you can dump Melky (the White Sox?), and you dont necessarily need to add an outfielder in the offseason, so you can back away from Bay/Manny/Holliday if the price gets too high.

    • Moshe Mandel

      Oh, just to mention, obviously you need more than Ian, but he would be a good start when dealing with a pitching starved organization. He would be in their rotation immediately.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        I like this idea, but I doubt they move either Milledge or Dukes for Kennedy and prospects LESS THAN Kennedy. It probably takes at least one prospect ABOVE the Kennedy stratosphere to get one of those two; just my hunch.

        • Moshe Mandel

          It depends where you place Kennedy. Is he above or below, say, Dellin Betances?

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Based on Dellin’s upside, I’d put IPK below him.

            I’m more willing to part with IPK in a deal than with Dellin, if that helps.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              Whoops!

              Based on Dellin’s upside, I’d put IPK below ABOVE him.

              Dellin’s a better prospect with more value than IPK, IMO. And I like IPK.

              • Moshe Mandel

                Fair enough. I would give up either, and maybe even both, for Dukes, but only one for Milledge.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  IPK and Dellin for Dukes? Meh, I’d prefer not to, but it wouldn’t be the worst trade ever.

                  IPK and Z-Mac I like better. But even that’s pretty risky for a guy who could easily pull a Latrell Sprewell at any moment.

              • K.B.D.

                Yeah, but the floor for IPK is way higher than for Dellin. Really depends on what the Nats want in that situation. I’d expect they’d want immediate rotation help, plus a mid level prospect rather than a roll of the dice in Betances.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  I’d imagine the Nats would probably follow the lead of the Rays (and to a lesser extent Marlins), and trade their spare parts (if that’s how they view Dukes) for prospects with the most upside (like Betances) rather than for guys with serviceability but lower ceiling (like IPK).

                  Sacrifice the present for the chance to hit the prospect lotto and have a wave of elite talent mature together at the big league level. Go from worst to first.

                  I mean, really, yeah, IPK helps you get better by being better than Odalis Perez at the back of your rotation, but how much, really? If you’re going to be dead last in the division this year, why not gamble on Betances becoming an ace a few years from now?

      • Mike Pop

        Ipk for dukes seems beneficial for both teams to me. Seems like they get the better player.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Dukes has a higher ceiling, though. The Nats can’t be dumb enough to do Dukes for IPK straight up, can they?

          I mean, Dukes had a .382 wOBA last year, for Mosakes. They can’t just give him away for IPK, who would likely be a good starter for them but is far from a lock…

        • K.B.D.

          .382 wOBA for Dukes in 81 games. That’s damn good for half a season. His UZR in RF was 11.2. I think the Yankees would come out on the winning end of that trade. Dukes, despite his personal problems, is a hell of a player.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          Dukes >>> Milledge, but he scares the shit out of me.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Agreed on all counts.

          • steve (different one)

            this is exactly my take on it.

        • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

          I’m not saying makeup issues amount to nothing (although I do undervalue it more than most), but Elijah Dukes is arguably the best center fielder under the age of 25 (he turns 25 during the final week of June) not named Bossman Jr.

          • K.B.D.

            He’s only played CF three times in the last 2 years.

          • Andy In Sunny Daytona

            First day in the clubhouse, Elijah Dukes should challenge any man to a fight, a la Sho ‘Nuff.
            “Who’s the baddest low-down Mo Fo around this town?”

            • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

              Someone say my name?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Lastings Milledge sucks, and he’s definitely not a center fielder. I wouldn’t trade Kenendy for him straight up.

      I mean, if the Nats aren’t starting him, that should tell you he isn’t very good.

      • Moshe Mandel

        He’s 23, isn’t he? And he is starting in Washington, although they are currently down on him. I think that he has shown enough talent to suggest a breakout coming. In fact, if you get Insider, check the linked article below out, BP sees him as a good breakout candidate.

        http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb.....id=3919662

      • steve (different one)

        Lastings Milledge >>> Brett Gardner.

        sorry!

        yes, i know Gardner had a +129 UZR/150 in 35 innings last year!!!!

        • Bo

          No team in their right mind would trade anything of value/substance for Dukes.

          • Jack

            No, that’s not true at all.

            • steve (different one)

              you may be both right. i don’t think the yankees would touch him. but another team with a little more patience might be willing to take the risk on his talent.

  • Rich

    The one thing that is confusing me about Hughes is that he doesn’t appear to be the consistent GB pitcher that he was in Trenton a couple of years ago.

    • Bo

      But now hes throws 100mph!

  • Rich

    Bro, Carrasco left the game leading Kennedy 1-0. Doesn’t change that Kennedy was damn good. I mean that was the 7th inning.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Oh, well then, that changes everything.

      Kennedy sucks. Can’t even give his team the lead, the bum.

    • Rich

      Can you choose another user name, please?

  • Bo

    Kennedy is just trade bait. He wont pitch in pinstripes again.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      I’ll make a wager with you on that, Grantbo.

      Also,

      http://www.sadtrombone.com