Instant Analysis: A too-quick call to the bullpen

Game Six Spillover Thread
Maybe Kevin Cash can play third?

It is ironic that, in a game in which Joba Chamberlain started and allowed just one earned run, the Yanks’ controversial fifth starter would be done in by his bullpen. But it wasn’t just the bullpen that did in Joba and the Yanks; it was Joe Girardi, making unnecessary moves in bad situations, who cost the Yanks a sweep and a chance to go two games over .500.

The Yankees got off to a quick start against Gil Meche and the Royals today. Brett Gardner singled, stole second, advanced to third on a ground-out and scored on a wild pitch. 1-0 Yanks.

Meanwhile, before the rain came, Joba was rolling. He retired the first seven Royals he faced before John Buck blasted a home run on a hanging slider. In the 4th with the rain pouring down, the wheels came off a bit. Joba walked David DeJesus and hit Mark Teahen with a pitch. While he then got two quick outs, Alberto Callaspo rolled a ball toward Robinson Cano. Nick Swisher, overly enthusiastically filling in for an injured Mark Teixeira, ranged too far to his right, missed the ball and screened out Robinson Cano for a costly error. Two unearned runs would score. 3-1 Royals.

That score would stand until the seventh. Following a few hits and Melky Cabrera‘s second double play of the game, the Yanks would take the lead 4-3, and it seemed as though the formula would work. Maybe Joba, at only 88 pitches, could toss another inning. Maybe the Yanks would turn to Brian Bruney, Damaso Marte and Mariano Rivera to steal a game from Gil Meche. It wasn’t meant to be.

Bruney dispatched with the Royals in the 7th. Marte induced two quick fly outs in the 8th, and then, Joe Girardi stopped managing and started overmanaging. The Royals pinch hit Billy Butler for Mike Jacobs. Butler, a righty, hasn’t been a terrible hitter in his career. He’s not really a huge power threat, and while he does hit lefties well, he’s 1 for 17 on the season. He wasn’t really a huge threat at that point, and the Yanks have expressed the view that Marte can get out lefties as well as righties.

Instead of allowing Marte to get Butler, yanking him for, ideally, Rivera if Butler were to reach, Joe Girardi pulled Marte and turned to Jose Veras. It was a disaster. Veras inexplicably walked Butler. Girardi then yanked Veras for Phil Coke. The lefty gave up three straight hits to the bottom third of the Royals’ order, and the Yanks were suddenly, shockingly down 6-4, still with two outs in the 8th, still with no sign of Mariano Rivera.

While the folks who argue that Joba should be in the pen will point to this game as Exhibit A in the 2009 season, the reality is that Joe Girardi should take the loss. There is no reason to be paying Damaso Marte $4 million a year if he can’t be left in to face a weak-hitting member of the Royals with two outs and no one in a one-run game. That’s simply inexplicable overmanaging.

Last season, when entering the 8th with a lead, the Yanks were 73-2. This year, they’re 3-1 and lost a game they should have won. This one hurts with a very good Tampa Bay team and Scott Kazmir on tap tomorrow.

Game Six Spillover Thread
Maybe Kevin Cash can play third?
  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    I can understand not bringing Mo in. He just had shoulder surgery and there’s no need to push him this early in the season. But damn, just leave Marte out there.

    • BigBlueAL

      He only leaves Marte out there when the game is tied and the bases are loaded and the game is being played in Texas after Marte has thrown 40 pitches.

      • http://www.blogtalkradio.com/pics/hostpics/5e4be77c-8e57-4d7a-8533-add8ed030ad5JerkStore.jpg Slugger27

        ppl love pointing this game out, but it was one bad decision out of pretty much the whole season last year regarding the bullpen

        lets move on

        • dre

          Girardi’s Bullpen “prowess” was extremely overrated last year He only improved after Cashman got rid of Farnsworth.

          • Chris C.

            Actually, getting Farnsworth to be productive was his best work. Other than that, this bullshit about how well he managed the bullpen was a joke.
            Oh, he didn’t wear down the arms. Big deal. ANYONE can manage that way! Try making the playoffs while you do that!

        • Chris C.

          “ppl love pointing this game out, but it was one bad decision out of pretty much the whole season last year regarding the bullpen.”

          Right. Joe Girardi made one bad decision this year, and none last year. He was perfect up to Sunday.

    • http://www.blogtalkradio.com/pics/hostpics/5e4be77c-8e57-4d7a-8533-add8ed030ad5JerkStore.jpg Slugger27

      100% agree

      marte should have been left in, and if butler reaches, ya put in rivera… i like phil coke, think hes a very useful piece, but in THAT specific situation he shouldnt be in the game, especially to 3 right handed hitters

      brutal loss

      • K.B.D.

        Coke’s career minor and major league numbers will show you he’s not simply a LOOGY. I don’t find leaving him in against a righty (especially at the bottom of the lineup) a terrible decision. It didn’t work out. But it shouldn’t have gotten to that point as Marte should’ve been allowed to face Butler.

        • http://www.blogtalkradio.com/pics/hostpics/5e4be77c-8e57-4d7a-8533-add8ed030ad5JerkStore.jpg Slugger27

          i dont think hes a loogy, but this is a 1 run game with the tying run on base in the 8th inning on the road

          if we’re up 3 runs in the 6th and hes facing some right handed hitters thats different

          tying run on base, 2 out, 8th inning, 1 run lead, we should have our BEST guys pitching, and if it cant be mo, then that should mean marte

      • 27 this year

        good point. If Marte shouldn’t handle righties, I don’t think Coke should have come in there. I mean you pay a guy $4M to be more than a LOOGY and another guy to be a second lefty and you totally just screw around too much. I think they should baby Joba a little less. 88 pitches is something he can handle. If he went one more inning, they probably would win it.

        The new argument, JOBA SHOULD HAVE PITCHED THE 8th INNING!

        Reaction: WHO THE FUCK WILL PITCH 1-7!

        • Moose

          Phil Hughes.

          • 27 this year

            Damn you, Moose :)

        • Chris C.

          Reaction: WHO THE FUCK WILL PITCH 1-7!

          Phil Hughes? Brett Tomko? Alfredo Aceves? Phil Coke?…….who gives a damn……it’s your #5 starter, and these guys all pitched very well in the preseason……about as well as any other pitcher in baseball who earned a spot in their team’s rotation.

          If you’re gonna keep Chamberlain in the rotation, than Albaladejo should be the set-up man.
          I have honestly never seen this guy have a bad appearence.
          He was terrific last year before getting injured, and terrific in Baltimore. Where the hell was he against the Royals these past three games?

    • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

      Especially with the next seven games against the pennant contending Rays and Indians, and no off-day in that stretch.

      • BklynJT

        If they are going to make Joba a starter, at least let him get his damn pitches in. 88 pitchers is way too damn early to yank a pitcher who is pitching 1 run ball. Outside of that, i have no issues with what Girardi did. If it worked, no ones barking, but since it didn’t everyone’s second guessing the move.

        If you were adamantly against Girardi taking out Marte when it happened (before shit hit the fan) is one thing, but let’s stop with the second guessing after the fact that we have seen the outcome.

        • Chris C.

          “If you were adamantly against Girardi taking out Marte when it happened (before shit hit the fan) is one thing, but let’s stop with the second guessing after the fact that we have seen the outcome.”

          Second guessing, my ass! Girardi did this the entire 2008 season. He kept changing pitchers till he found the one that was gonna cost him the game. But everyone loved it, and said he managed the bullpen “masterfully”. They even threw Torre under the bus for wearing certain reliever out from year to year. But Torre did what he had to do to get the team to the playoffs 12 straight years, while Girardi saved his bullpen arms for early October golf.

          Girardi was somehow excused for this last season as the blame was pitted on the injury-plagued starting staff. But the truth is, the starting performances last year from game to game were not all that bad! Daryl Rasner became the poster-boy for the Yankee problems, but the truth is, Rasner gave them a good amount of solid starts that were blown by Girardi’s use of the bullpen, most notably his lingering love for Latroy Hawkins!

          I don’t mind taking Joba out early, because it’s only April. But taking MArte out after he looked sharp getting two quick outs is just flat-out stupid. It’s like, “lets find the guy who aint on his game today!”

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

    I also wonder why Girardi pulled Joba when he did. He had thrown just 88 pitches, and Girardi said before the game that Joba could throw 100. If Mo’s unavailable, get a few more outs from your starter before going to the pen.

    • http://www.blogtalkradio.com/pics/hostpics/5e4be77c-8e57-4d7a-8533-add8ed030ad5JerkStore.jpg Slugger27

      mo was unavailable?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      I think Joba only got up to 75 pitches in his last Spring Training start, and he hasn’t pitched in a week, so I guess I can understand not wanting to push him past 88 pitches.

      But letting the handedness of the batter make pitching decisions for you … that’s just retarded.

      • BigBlueAL

        How about why bring in Bruney in the 7th??? Why not Edwar there and hopefully if he does the job you have Bruney and Marte in the 8th??

        • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

          Because that’s the definition of overmanaging? Bruney came into the game in a spot where the RHB preceded the LHB, thus allowing Marte to come in after him and form the two-inning bridge to Mo. Everything up to taking out Jose Veras for Phil Coke was perfect, in my opinion.

          • BigBlueAL

            Yeah I was fine with Bruney in the 7th but if Im not mistaken it was the bottom of the lineup. You dont trust Edwar in that spot?? I dunno doesnt seem like he planned out the 8th inning looking ahead too well.

          • Chris C.

            “Everything up to taking out Jose Veras for Phil Coke was perfect, in my opinion.”

            Let me get this straight…….Marte comes in a looks sharp, and you’re fine with taking him out. Veres comes in and looks like crap walking a bench player, and he should have stayed in?

            You’re pretty bizarre.

      • RichYF

        I’m okay with pulling Joba.

        I was okay with pulling Marte for Veras even though Veras pitched in 3 of 5 games and 1.1 innings yesterday. I figured he had enough left in the tank for 1 out.

        Pulling Veras for Coke though…I just don’t see it. There’s no justification for putting Phil Coke in a situation like that. Veras for Albie, MAYBE. He throws strikes. Veras for Edwar, not so much due to his propensity to “lose the feel for it,” etc. Veras > Coke all day. Just leave him in there if you HAVE to pull Marte.

      • Big Stein

        “But letting the handedness of the batter make pitching decisions for you … that’s just retarded.”

        It was a bad move. Please consider having the intellect, and tact, to use a different term.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          Sorry if I offended you.

    • Drew

      He cruised through the sixth inning. I though Bruney was just warming in case Joba gave up a baserunner.

    • Chris C.

      “He had thrown just 88 pitches, and Girardi said before the game that Joba could throw 100.”

      Yeah, sure. And Mariano Rivera just slept funny on his shoulder last year.

  • blee

    Exactly Ben. This loss is on Girardi.. any manager will make some bad calls, he just need to learn from this.

    • Chris C.

      “Exactly Ben. This loss is on Girardi.. any manager will make some bad calls, he just need to learn from this.”

      No he won’t. Instead, Girardi just argues that they’re not mistakes at all. In 2008, he felt he made all the right moves, but was just the most unlucky SOB in pinstripes.

  • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Birfday Girl

    Some people are already calling for Joe G’s head.

    I agree there were mistakes in this game

    1) Removing Marte
    2) Removing Veras
    3) Not having Mo warming
    4) Letting Melky hit behind Canó that inning

    but hindsight is still 20/20.

    Had Veras done his job, had Melky not GIDP’d that inning…I doubt we’re having this conversation.

    • BigBlueAL

      I wasnt being serious about Girardi being fired after today’s game. Sorry about that. Still hope you have a Happy B’Day!!!! lol

      • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Birfday Girl

        wasn’t meaning you :)

        • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          Who else said Girardi should be fired? Provide a link to a comment, please.

        • BigBlueAL

          Well I feel bad because I did post that Girardi should be fired after today’s game and obviously wasnt serious although I am very critical of the job he did today and most of last season but by no means does that mean his job should be in jeopardy. Well not yet anyway :-)

    • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      Like BigBlueAL said… You have to stop using his comment, which was an exaggeration that he soon thereafter retracted, as a generalization about people calling for Girardi’s head. It’s a straw-man argument.

    • Chris C.

      “Some people are already calling for Joe G’s head.”

      I like Girardi. Likes him as a player, and seems like a good guy.

      But I am not thrilled with him as a manager. He seems to lack a feel for the flow of the game, and his moves all seem predetermined.

      I mean yeterday, he had it all planned that he was yanking Joba after 6, having Bruney pitch an inning, having Marte face two hitters, letting Veras finish the inning if a righty pinch hitter comes to the plate, then having Mariano pitch the 9th. THAT WAS HIS PREDETERMINED PLAN, then he panicked when Veras walked Butler.

      That’s a shitty way to manage. It may work often, but it is not better than managing to the flow of the game.

      I’m not calling for Girardi’s head………but get ready for nonsense like this to continue throughout the season.

  • Brian

    The question I have for JobaPen folks is this:

    If Joba was in the pen and we had either Hughes or (god forbid) Kennedy starting this game, would we have even seen Joba today? AND would Joba have been pulled in the 8th for Veras/Coke?

    • Chris C.

      “If Joba was in the pen and we had either Hughes or (god forbid) Kennedy starting this game, would we have even seen Joba today?”

      What kind of question is that? Are you telling me Hughes isn’t good enough to pitch successfully against the Royals? If that’s the case, the Yankees would have dealt him by now.

  • UWS

    Spot-on analysis, Ben.

    I admit I was shocked when I saw Veras trotting in to replace Marte. I’d expected Mo. I do wonder if Mo was unavailable for some reason…

  • Troy

    Shouldn’t this go under “Death by bullpen”?

    Anyways, I have to agree with the thought that Girardi mismanaged the pen in this game. I would’ve opted to keep Marte in (better vs. righties than lefties IIRC), but even if temptation makes you go righty-righty, wouldn’t Mo make the most sense?

    my concern now is that the Joba/pen journalists are going to use this as an opportunity to push that agenda once again, even though Bruney and Marte pitched well enough.

    just horrible micromanaging by Girardi cost the Yankees today. by no means did they field their best team, but they still should’ve won.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Of course they’re going to use it an opportunity to force their stupid “Joba should be in teh pen!11!” thoughts upon us. That was going to happen regardless, unless Joba pitched a perfect game.

    • Drew

      I think we give too much credence to the B-jobbers. Let them write and talk, our manager, gm, owners and players could careless what they think about Joba.

    • Chris C.

      just horrible micromanaging by Girardi cost the Yankees today.

      Remember how long it took Girardi last season to realize Latroy Hawkins sucked, and Robinson Cano was dogging it?

      That’s about how long it will take him to realize that Jonathan Albaladejo is the Yankees best reliever aside from Rivera.

      Did the guy even make the trip to Kansas City?????

  • Drew

    Okay, anyone else feel like we should get an eighth inning guy and stick to it? I say, give it to Bruney and if he fails then we do something else. We should not be going through 3 guys to get 6 outs in the last two innings of a game.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    It’s amazing how fast everyone forgot that Bruney and Marte, the guys who will be the primary setup men, retired every batter they faced.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

      That’s a great point, Mike. It doesn’t make sense to go from your top two set-up guys to a worse reliever as Joe Girardi did today. It simply does not make sense.

      • UWS

        Anyone watch the postgame show? Did Girardi offer any explanations?

      • BigBlueAL

        Thats why I figured let Joba start the 7th and if not maybe go to someone like Edwar to face the 9-1-2 batters in the 7th with Bruney/Marte ready to relief him. If you are going to try to steal outs with lesser pitchers do it in the 7th before you use your best relievers not in the 8th replacing your 2 best relievers (not named Mo obviously).

        • Lanny

          If hes afraid of Billy Butler we got problems.

          If Marte cant deal with Butler its going to be a long yr for the pen.

      • kunaldo

        it was ass backwards

  • Trevor

    No one said anything about Mo being unavaibale. He was available.

    A complete overmanaging job by Girardi.

  • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Birfday Girl

    I wasn’t referring to Big Al when I mentioned people calling for Girardi’s head

    http://community.livejournal.com/yankeesfans/2338228.html

    Anyway, if you’re going to overmanage with a one run lead, why isn’t Mo at least warming?

    • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      Please. You’re railing against an argument that hasn’t been made by one of the authors or a commenter here? That hardly seems like a productive way to conduct a conversation.

      • BigBlueAL

        Aah its OK at least Im off the hook!!

        • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          Ha. I know I’m being a little OCD about this, but it’s NOT ok. People shouldn’t be making these arguments against straw-men and then using as their justification an explanation like “well someone said it on some other random non-RAB message board.” That’s weak.

          http://tinyurl.com/c44zkb

          • Drew

            iet-picture

          • http://www.blogtalkradio.com/pics/hostpics/5e4be77c-8e57-4d7a-8533-add8ed030ad5JerkStore.jpg Slugger27

            ive always wondered what the term “straw-man argument” means. i see it on here all the time but never really put 2 and 2 together

            • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi
              • BigBlueAL

                I thought it was an argument about Darryl Strawberry.

                • Jonny not the Damon

                  ietj

  • Rich

    The curse of the handedness fixation.

    We used list the Torre losses. This is in Girardi’s column.

  • Drew

    Mike, Ben and Joe, can you guys provide links to Girardi’s post game reaction after each game? I know we could just go to yesnetwork’s site and navigate through there but if you had a link it would streamline things.

    • BigBlueAL

      Actually usually Yesnetwork.com doesnt have his entire post-game press conference. Usually just an interview or 2 with some players and a little post-game recap with a soundbite here or there of Girardi and players. They do however have a recap with Kay and Co discussing the game usually.

  • Drew

    Is Gardner the center fielder come May 15th?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

      The problem is that someone has to play center, and Melky went 0 for 3 while accounting for five outs today. I don’t think the Yanks are going to rush A-Jax. So unless something unexpected happens, for better or worse, we’re left with Gardner and/or Melky.

      • Lanny

        Melky is just brutal.

        • Drew

          I don’t understand the hate for Melky. As a back up outfielder the guy plays great defense with a + arm. Watching Brett and Nady throw reminds me why I liked Abreu and still like Melky.

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

            Hate for Melky comes around because he utterly cannot hit. He may have a nice arm, but that’s about all. He’s not particularly adept in the field, and his bat is atrocious.

            • Drew

              I think he’s good in the outfield especially around the wall. Sure a few rockets knuckled on him last year but overall I think his defense is good.

          • http://www.blogtalkradio.com/pics/hostpics/5e4be77c-8e57-4d7a-8533-add8ed030ad5JerkStore.jpg Slugger27

            its cuz he sucks. the best feature he has is his arm.

            he cant hit, is average to slightly above average in the field, cant run well, cant bunt, doesnt take walks and has no power

            those are the cons…heres his pro list:

            hes got a good arm

            • Drew

              I don’t think it’s fair to say he sucks. He was rushed through the system because we had no centerfielders. A career .268 hitter with a +arm and good centerfield defense is not bad, and certainly doesn’t “suck.”

              • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

                Citing BA isn’t getting you anywhere. Melky’s OBP/SLG splits are .320/.374. That’s pretty bad.

                • Drew

                  Still you can’t deny his career BA. I don’t think he sucks. He regressed last year. At this point last year a lot of people were flipping out thinking Melky was due course on 25+ HR’s.

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

                  When batting average is a subpar indication of how good a player is, it’s rather easy to deny it. A player with his amount of experience and a career OPS under .700 is not a good one.

                • http://heavysoundsandtheabstracttruth.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/alg_burnett-sabathia-3.jpg Mike Pop

                  Who cares about his batting average man, I like Melky too but he sucks. You saw the splits Ben just showed you, it’s not like Melky does enough on the field to justify those. If he hit 30 HR’s every year, Mike Jacobs style, I would be okay with him but the fact is he offers very little.

                • http://www.blogtalkradio.com/pics/hostpics/5e4be77c-8e57-4d7a-8533-add8ed030ad5JerkStore.jpg Slugger27

                  “At this point last year a lot of people were flipping out thinking Melky was due course on 25+ HR’s.”

                  i really really dont think anyone thought he was hitting 25 homers, much less 20, much less 15.

                  but its besides the point

                  getting on base and driving in other runners that are already on base are the 2 best ways to score runs, and melky does neither… if u cant do the big things in the majors then u damn well better be able to do the small things (bunt, steal bases, move runners over, etc) … melky cant do that either

                  honestly, outside of his arm, hes pretty worthless… his only asset to the team is injury insurance, and hes barely that at this point

          • Chris C.

            Watching Brett and Nady throw reminds me why I liked Abreu and still like Melky.

            Was it also painful watching Gardner steal a run for the Yankees in the 1st inning yeterday?

    • Simon B.

      Yeah, has anybody else gotten the impression that Gardner doesn’t seem to have that much range—especially considering his speed. He was supposed to have plus defense in center. Is this just a “defensive slump” and he’s usually very good?

      Maybe Mike or somebody who has observed for a while in the minors can give a better evaluation on how good his defense is.

      • Drew

        I’ve been extremely disappointed in his D. He’s not Bobby Abreu but thus far he hasn’t exactly got his “Aaron Rowand” on. He plays a shallow center so any ball that splits outfielders will either go to the wall or he chases it down and slides to block it as witnessed today. Also his arm is worse than I thought. 6 games in, I wonder if Damon will eventually take over.

      • Chris C.

        Yeah, has anybody else gotten the impression that Gardner doesn’t seem to have that much range—especially considering his speed.

        He’s got plenty of range. What the hell are you talking about? “Range” isn’t his problem.
        His problem is, he goes so far and runs so fast to cover the ground, that when he does get to the ball, he finds that he’s misjudged it a bit. He’s a bit sloppy in that regard. But range isn’t the problem.

  • Simon B.

    Ugh. It’s so sad that this one game is going to give the morons something to talk about for months “The bullpen sucks. WE NEED JOBA IN THE 8th!”

    I’m definitely disappointed in Girardi too. I think he usually manages the bullpen well, but today made no sense. I’m not second-guessing here, I despised taking out Marte for Veras when I saw it. Overmanaging.

    • Rich

      People who want Joba in the pen will cite evidence based on failures (or underperformaces) when he starts as well as failures that result from the pen being unable to hold the lead, including when Joba dominates as a starter.

      So there is no point trying to reason with people whose logic changes with either outcome.

      Joba pitched very well today given that it was his first start of the season. Bur for Swisher’s error, he may have been able to go another inning or two.

      The reality continues to be that Joba is on track to a #1 starter for years to come.

      Screw the doubters.

    • Chris C.

      “I think he usually manages the bullpen well, but today made no sense. I’m not second-guessing here, I despised taking out Marte for Veras when I saw it. Overmanaging.”

      He did this stuff all last season too. Where were you?

      He once removed Daryl Rasner after 6 innings of a game the Yankees were winning 1-0, and put in LaTroy Hawkins. Do I need to tell you what happened after that?

  • Lanny

    If Hughes is what they hope he is they’ll move Joba into the pen this yr. They just cannot trust any of these guys in a close game. They’re blowing games vs the Orioles and Royals. Imagine in Fenway in a tight spot.

    And Ransom is just terrible. Hes an automatic out.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

      They just cannot trust any of these guys in a close game.

      Did you miss what Bruney and Marte did before Joe Girardi started to flip out and overmanage? Those two should be a-ok. No need to move Joba back to the pen, and a 6 IP, 1 ER, 5 K performance should make that abundantly clear.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        Just imagine if Joba was on his game today.

      • http://www.blogtalkradio.com/pics/hostpics/5e4be77c-8e57-4d7a-8533-add8ed030ad5JerkStore.jpg Slugger27

        u cant make lemonade with lemons or vice versa

        • BigBlueAL

          I prefer the term you cant make Chicken Salad out of Chicken S**t.

    • Rich

      Melancon will fill the Joba role in the pen over time. Hughes will start to offset Joba’s innings cap. You don’t use a nascent dominant stater as a setup reliever. It’s an incredible underutilization of an asset.

    • http://heavysoundsandtheabstracttruth.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/alg_burnett-sabathia-3.jpg Mike Pop

      Lanny, come on man. No, Joba to the pen is wrong, he wasn’t even on top of his game today and he still pitched pretty damn well. Girardi just fucked up and it sucks he did. Marte was cruising, and he brings in Veras to throw 4 straight balls. Ugh…

      • Drew

        Joba had one of the worst sliders that I’ve seen him have. Other than the first batter he faced his slider wasn’t the K pitch we’re used to. This, to me, is extremely encouraging. We all know what he can do when he’s on his A game. Today we saw what he can do with his C game.

        • BigBlueAL

          True, but it was the Royals lineup. Joba with his “D” game should cruise vs the Royals. But your point is well-taken.

    • http://forums.projectcovo.com/images/smilies/e6omir.gif Expired Milk

      man stfu

      • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        Profound!

        (This should be deleted, no?)

        • http://forums.projectcovo.com/images/smilies/e6omir.gif Expired Milk

          I mean really what else needs to be said to the illogical people that want Joba in the pen.

          • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

            I should have given you a sarcasm alert, my bad.

            • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

              PS: I still probably wasn’t clear enough. I meant your “stfu” comment should be deleted. Your insult added nothing to the conversation.

    • Drew

      B-JOBBER ON THE LOOSE!

  • Moose

    Just a HORRIBLE loss all around. Girardi’s micro-managing is simply inexcusable. The fact that 4 pitchers couldnt get ONE f’n out in the 8th inning is downright embarrassing.

    Considering that only 2 of the NY/Boston/Tampa trifecta is making the playoffs this year, Joe better hope we don’t miss out by one game, cause this is a game you HAVE to win. KC is horrible and this game was handed to us on a silver platter. You need to wins games like this to offset the inevitable loses against Boston and Tampa. And don’t get me wrong, I can accept losing games, but NOT in this manner. I’d much rather lose like we did the first 2 games against B’more. This game was simply stolen from us.

    And by the way, what the F is going on with the “golden boy,” Phil Coke? Did he leave all of his pitches in Tampa? The guy looks dreadful right now. And I don’t care how great the bullpen picthers “stats” are, NO ONE in that pen scares me if I’m an opposing team. Veras and Bruney are insanely inconsistent throwing strikes and Marte is his own enigma. I would much rather have a dominant Joba in the pen and not have to worry about this nonsense than having a servicable Joba in the 5th slot where he’s monitored and babied like a 2 year old.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      The fact that 4 pitchers couldnt get ONE f’n out in the 8th inning is downright embarrassing.

      Where are you getting these four pitchers from? Marte never got a chance to record the last out, only Veras and Coke did, so that’s two pitchers. I guess exaggerating by only 200% is better than most.

      • Moose

        OK, the fact remains that our bullpen is very unimpressive, and todays game was exhibit A. The fact that Girardi didnt even have confidence in Marte to get ONE right handed batter out speaks volumes.

        Just try not to get caught up in the “great year” that the Yankees bullpen had last year – most of their “great” efforts were done when the game was already over and/or we were losing. How many times last year did the Yankees bullpen hold a one-run lead in the 6th, 7th, and 8th, innings…not many. They have great stats cause the starters were so awful that they usually came into situations where the pressure wasn’t really on.

        Today, we now saw an exmaple of what happens when you have inconsistent pitchers take the mound in close pressure-filled game….and that shit was ugly.

        • http://heavysoundsandtheabstracttruth.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/alg_burnett-sabathia-3.jpg Mike Pop

          Only one pitcher today was ugly. It was Coke, all the other pitchers were solid. Veras should of stayed in, but whatever. Girardi made a mistake, but we just have to move on. The durability of this team(AJ, Joba, Posada, Jorge, and Matsui) is what I’m alot more worried about and it’s my biggest concern. To an extent, this Teix situation can be scary and A-Rod coming back healthy is huge but I’m pretty confident both of those events go our way. The bullpen is the least of our concerns, in my opinion.

        • Chris C.

          “OK, the fact remains that our bullpen is very unimpressive, and todays game was exhibit A.”

          The bullpen is not unimpressive, dude.

          “The fact that Girardi didnt even have confidence in Marte to get ONE right handed batter out speaks volumes.”

          Girardi thinks he’s Casey Stengall. He really does believe that whatever move he makes is the right one.

          “How many times last year did the Yankees bullpen hold a one-run lead in the 6th, 7th, and 8th, innings…not many.”

          Yeah, and how many times should the bullpen NOT HAVE BEEN IN THE GAME in the 6th, 7th, or 8th innings? If you continually do that, like Girardi did last year and seems keen on repeating, ten you are increasing your chances for failures. The more pitchers you use, the higher the chances of finding the guy who doesn’t have his best stuff that day. ANY staff would be erratic over the course of a season if utilized in Girardi’s manner.

          “They have great stats cause the starters were so awful that they usually came into situations where the pressure wasn’t really on.”

          That’s bullshit. Go through the game logs of last year, and you’ll find the starters kept the team in the game for a good 80-90% of the starts. You’ll even be surprised at how often Daryl Rasner gave the Yankees a legitimate chance to win the ballgame, despite the bad rap he gets as the symbol for all their 2008 problems.

          “Today, we now saw an exmaple of what happens when you have inconsistent pitchers take the mound in close pressure-filled game….and that shit was ugly”

          NO! We saw a classic example of stupid managing. Otherwise, Marte finishes the 8th, Rivera saves the game, and none of this is an issue.
          This shit is not difficult. The average schmuck could clearly see that Marte had his good stuff. You really have to question the mentality of a manager who thought otherwise.

      • Chris C.

        The fact that 4 pitchers couldnt get ONE f’n out in the 8th inning is downright embarrassing.

        What game are you talking about? He only called on Veres and Coke to get that out. Who are the other two?

  • A.D.

    I didn’t like it when they took Marte out with 2 outs, but then if you’re going with Veras, go with him, after he walked Butler leave him out there. Veras was used in big situations last year and is pretty damn good against lefties: .217/.354/.413 in ’08

  • Jake H

    Walking Billy B on 5 pitches was bad. If your putting Veras in there in the 8th to get outs then let him get the outs. My thing is this, why not pinch hit Damon for Melky there with 2 guys on. Maybe Damon does the same thing but maybe he gets a hit and the inning continues. I do know they need to get Matsui a day off. He looks lost at the plate.

  • A.D.

    Marte was actually better against righties last year, which in part could be that he’s going to always face tough lefties, but not necessarily tough righties, that said Butler isn’t a “tough” righty.

    v RHB: .196/.278/.291
    v LHB: .247/.326/.353

  • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Birfday Girl

    Yikes. This thread is becoming LoHuddian in nature!

    • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      Um. YOU’RE from LoHud.

      • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Birfday Girl

        Yes, but I’m not freaking out about the season being over after one loss.

        • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          Dude, seriously? Like, are you f*cking with me right now? Have you not been reading the same thread as I have? Who is “freaking out about the season being over after one loss?” Please point out who is saying that. Your comments don’t make any sense. You argue against (and bitch about) straw-men.

          Show me the comments saying that the season is over. Better yet, show me multiple comments of that nature that would provoke your comment that this thread (in general) is becoming “LoHuddian” because people are “freaking out about the season being over after one loss?” Please make this make some sense.

          • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Birfday Girl

            Holy crap. Calm down, man.

            • Drew

              Yea Mr congressman! Its her Birthday!!

            • http://heavysoundsandtheabstracttruth.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/alg_burnett-sabathia-3.jpg Mike Pop

              Mondesi can go a little too far and just shit on people. But that’s what I like about him.

              • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                Backhanded compliments are my favorite. lol

            • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

              You’re right, I should calm down. But I’ll (1) note that you never actually responded here nor above to any questions/comments about your strawman arguments, and (2) ask that you make an effort to make comments that are grounded in reality in the future. I think people love commenting here because of the intelligent posts/conversation and the well-informed authors and commenters. It doesn’t help when people spout nonsense and don’t respond to other commenters who are participating in the conversation.

          • Drew

            True. I think most of us are criticizing moves made today that could be made in the future. I don’t recall anyone flipping out about our future. We’ve had two atrocious starts and 4 good starts. we should be 4-2. I’m confident from what I’ve seen thus far.

    • http://www.blogtalkradio.com/pics/hostpics/5e4be77c-8e57-4d7a-8533-add8ed030ad5JerkStore.jpg Slugger27

      ive never read lohud comments or anything so im extremely unfamiliar

      please enlighten me, what does it mean when ppl say “this is sounding like lohud” or anything of the like?

      is the whole site over there just b-jobbers and melky-lovers?

      • Thomas A. Anderson

        No they just overreact to every little thing, be it good or bad. I’m starting to believe they are really indicative of the entire fanbase, and the witty banter/reasoned analysis that goes on over on RAB is in the minority.

        Shame, cause PAbe really does a good job bringing us information.

  • Jeff

    Lets look at this game a different way. The loss is in no way attributable to Joba, he pitched well except for a couple rough innings and should remain a starter.

    The loss is mostly due to the failure of Veras to get the batter out. One thing Lou Pinella said in recent days about his own bullpen’s struggles rings true here. “Bullpen pitchers are not supposed to walk batters, that can’t happen.” Veras walked Butler which set up the entire problem. Girardi could have left in Veras to face Pena, but either way Veras and Coke didn’t do their jobs.

    I myself do think that Mariano should have come in after Veras walked the guy. Maybe Girardi was saving Mo for the games against Tampa, but a win is a win no matter what team you’re playing and every win is important. Mo should have been used today, and if they were worried about him pitching 3 or 4 straight days when playing the Rays they needed to worry about it then and if Mo isn’t available then Bruney becomes the 9th inning guy.

    It is imperative that the Yanks get off to a good start this year. This is a game they should have won.

    • Drew

      “he pitched well except for a couple rough innings and should remain a starter.” That my friend is the most unnecessary statement of the day!! Come on broski, if he pitched bad would that have indicated he should be in the pen!?

  • http://thebaseballdiarist.wordpress.com Kaitlin B.

    I agree completely, but I’m disappointed with people who say that this is an example of the bullpen as a whole failing. I think Girardi should have left Marte in; last year he had a reverse-split. But the idea that Phil Coke is the whole pen is just absurd. He is the only one who really had a bad game. Veras probably shouldn’t have come in from the kind of workload he’s had over the first six games. If you’re going to be picky enough to remove your replacement guy for giving up a walk, then you bring in your closer for a four out save. Don’t mix and match.

    • BigBlueAL

      Or as I advocated, bring in Ramirez to start the 7th and hope he gets through the 9-1-2 part of the lineup and leave the 8th to Marte and Bruney. Im not saying Bruney was wasted in the 7th because he wasnt, but if the plan was Marte to only face lefties in the 8th then the plan was ill-conceived from the start if Mo was not going to be allowed to pitch in the 8th.

  • BigBlueAL

    Scott Shields is trying to give the Red Sox the game.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Nah, he was just fucking with them.

  • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

    Mike Lowell: World Series MVP.

    • BigBlueAL

      Im just surprised Mathews didnt drop Varitek’s flyball.

  • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

    Nice job by The Heart of the Nation.

  • rsam

    mike lowell sucks

  • Accent Shallow

    After a few games, I’m not quite as high on Coke as I once was.

    His stuff seems flat so far.

    Perhaps he’s the first guy sent down in favor of Melancon or Robertson?

    • http://www.blogtalkradio.com/pics/hostpics/5e4be77c-8e57-4d7a-8533-add8ed030ad5JerkStore.jpg Slugger27

      i like him still, but i believe u just gotta keep the guy in his designed role. hes a guy that can come in and get a few batters out in the 6th/7th inning, or a guy that can give an inning or 2 when the “A” relievers (mo, marte, bruney) need some rest and the starter didnt last long

      tying run on base in the 8th inning isnt really his job or niche

    • http://liberalmusings.wordpress.com Pablo Zevallos

      After a few games, I’m not quite as high on Coke as I once was”

      You realize that it’s, well, only been a few games, right??

    • Drew

      “I’m not quite as high on Coke as I once was.”
      Coke has a tendency to do that. After a while you need more and more.

  • Drew

    Do Japanese players fall into the International signing period?
    Homer Guerrero

  • BigBlueAL

    Vlad finally hit a ball hard this season.

  • BigBlueAL

    Pete Abe has Girardi’s post-game press conference audio on his site.

    • Drew

      cool I’ll check it out.

  • Joseph M

    Coke has no business being used in the 8th inning of a game we have the lead in. This is Kansas City we’re talking about, letting this game get away is bad news. The other losses this week were losses, nothing more to say about it, but this game was bungled away, stupid overmanaging of the pitching staff and bad use of of the talent on the roster.

  • Drew

    Don’t do me dirty Fuentes! COME ON!

    • Drew

      Speaking of this, why does NESN have a sick little K-zone deal and we don’t?

      • http://heavysoundsandtheabstracttruth.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/alg_burnett-sabathia-3.jpg Mike Pop

        Cause the Sox are the besteeessss!!!

      • BigBlueAL

        That K-zone though is horrible.

  • BigBlueAL

    Big Papi, clutchest Red Sox ever. He has a plaque to prove it and everything.

  • UWS

    Fuentes trying to give the game away…

    • UWS

      …But he fails!

  • Luis

    Was that a cardboard cutout of J.D. Drew at the plate?

  • Tom Zig

    At least the sox lost.

  • Drew

    Wow. Beckett is a bigger asshole than I had thought.
    I wish Abreu would have hit him right on that little bitch soulpatch.

    • Drew

      I can’t wait till Joba faces youkilus

      • Tom Zig

        Youkilis gets sooooo whiney when Joba throws to him.

      • http://heavysoundsandtheabstracttruth.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/alg_burnett-sabathia-3.jpg Mike Pop

        I just hope he K’s him, no throwing at him needed.

        • Tom Zig

          Well at least just buzz him inside. The last time Joba through at him, it hit the handle of his bat. Then he struck out. It was awesome.

          • Drew

            That was great!

    • BigBlueAL

      Considering the way he attacks the outfield wall, I dont think Abreu is a fan of any type of confrontation. Although Torri Hunter was ready to go after him. Funny thing was the Angels got 4 plays/coaches ejected, the Red Sox 0!!!

      • Drew

        Kruk actually made a good point today. I know.. Blasphemy. But he said that if a hitter takes one step in front of the batter’s box he is ejected. Pitchers are allowed to approach the batter with no ejection or warning or anything.

    • mike

      Abreu is a punk, and only got all pissy when he was being held back by the ump

      • Drew

        Oh right!? You mean he only got pissy when beckett came at him? and no you’re wrong.

  • mike

    No reason to burn through 4 relievers in 4 outs – that is a recipie to burn through your pen in short order, especially with a 1-run lead agianst a bad team with a pathetic offense in crummy weather.

    Thats the biggest issue, and while the pen is OK and there are reinforcements in AAA, it is the type of over-managing which sometimes makes me crazy, as Marte could have finished the inning, Veras could have taken a breather, and Edwar’s change-up is a perfect weapon against a free-swinging, young team with some pressure on them.

  • BigBlueAL

    You know the more I think about it, why the hell did Damon not pinch-hit for Melky in the 7th????

    • http://heavysoundsandtheabstracttruth.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/alg_burnett-sabathia-3.jpg Mike Pop

      Had the day off.

      • BigBlueAL

        It wouldnt have killed Damon to play 3 innings.

  • Nady Nation

    Solid write up Ben, pretty much agreed on all counts. Also, I just finished reading the last game thread and this post’s comments, and I 100% agree with BigBlueAL and Mondesi. I didn’t see any comments indicating that people believe the season is now in jeopardy, so it’s totally unfair for the knowledgable fans who were angered by today’s loss to be grouped with the “Lohudders.” Why is it so unreasonable to be infuriated by this loss, in which Girardi embarrassed himself handling the pen in the 8th inning, yet still be able to keep it in perspective? I was livid when I saw Veras trot out there to replace Marte, and even more so when Coke replaced Veras. How can people not have been pissed off by that loss, whether it was the 6th game of the season, or the 156th game?

    • Nady Nation

      OK, “embarrassed himself” might’ve been a little strong. But he clearly botched the game, and my overall point stands.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

    You know what makes this game even worse? Mark Melancon’s line in AAA today: 1.2 IP, 0 H, 4 K.

  • El Generalissimo

    George king strikes first…

    “You make the switches because you believe in your guys,” said Girardi, who wouldn’t have to play the match-up game if Chamberlain was available to work the eighth instead of being a starter. “Most of the time it’s going to work, sometimes it doesn’t.”

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

      Of course he does. George King is a moron. I’d love to hear who he thinks would pitch innings 1-6 while giving up just one earned run if we’re saving Joba for the 8th.

      We should just stop acknowledging that these fools exist. They don’t listen to reason or logic.

      • http://heavysoundsandtheabstracttruth.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/alg_burnett-sabathia-3.jpg Mike Pop

        Yep, you’re right. They don’t because they refuse to admit they are wrong. Joba could go 11-4 this season with an ERA of 3.40 and they will still be bitching about how he could have a 1.30 in the pen. Or a higher K per 9 ratio.

      • Drew

        My thoughts exactly.

      • El Generalissimo

        You’re right, you’re right.

        Ahh, even though this game was lost in the 8th, it seemed like (as Bill Simmons likes to say) one of those Madden games where the computer says “no f**king way you are winning this.”

        From the errors, to the sloppy field, to the over managing. To Gardner being safe on the DP, to melky being the worst player in the league. Just every little thing besides Cano’s error rbi went against us.

        The best part about baseball is there is a game tomorrow.

        • Drew

          “worst in the league”!!??! zomg!!1!
          I see what you’re trying to do, you’re trying to hurt me.

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

            OK. Perhaps worst in the league was hyperbolic. Would you prefer second worst in the league? Melky was the second worst offensive every day CFer in the league last year. That’s a statistical fact.

            • http://heavysoundsandtheabstracttruth.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/alg_burnett-sabathia-3.jpg Mike Pop

              Number one: Andruw Jones?

        • BigBlueAL

          “it seemed like (as Bill Simmons likes to say) one of those Madden games where the computer says “no f**king way you are winning this.”

          NBA 2K9’s computer is worse….

        • A.D.

          Yup, the Yanks threw out a lineup without: A-Rod, Tex, Damon, and Posada against the Royals ace, they pretty much asked to lose this one, then they really should have won it, and in the end lost.

          Hopefully Girardi learns from this mistake, and it prevents a future loss.

          • Chris C.

            Girardi never thinks he’s wrong about anything. HAven’t you learned this yet??? Geez.

    • Drew

      Next strike, Karl Ravech..
      “Don’t have Joba for the eighth, Veras gives up a walk..” “If you had Joba in the eighth, then Mariano. You’re thoughts?{Silence}.. It’s an issue.”

      • BigBlueAL

        It was Rece Davis not Karl Ravech I believe.

        • Drew

          Isn’t rece davis the college football guy?

          • Drew

            Yea it was Ravech on BBTN.

          • BigBlueAL

            Thats right, sorry. But it still wasnt Karl Ravech, its the guy who always says Name That Molina and uses a fake John Sterling HR call whenever a Yankee hits a HR.

            • Drew

              Oh you’re right.. yea I just looked at a pic of ravech on google. I think its steve berthiuame

        • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

          It was Steve Berthiamue.

          • BigBlueAL

            Yup. Just blanked out with his name but he just said his name on air again, cant believe I forgot his name originally!!

  • BigBlueAL

    Wade has 40 points already barely half-way thru the 3rd quarter vs the Knicks. Im not complaining, Knicks need to improve their lottery position.

  • mustang

    Ben nailed this one down, but two lines drive the point home:

    “There is no reason to be paying Damaso Marte $4 million a year if he can’t be left in to face a weak-hitting member of the Royals with two outs and no one in a one-run game. That’s simply inexplicable overmanaging.”

    Righties bat around .260 of Marte

    Girardi micromanage this one to a lost.

  • Ace

    I didn’t catch the post-game; did Girardi have an explanation?

    • mustang

      I missed it too anyone?

    • Nady Nation

      Just listened to it courtesy of PeteAbe. Girardi basically said that he took Marte out b/c Billy Butler “kills lefties.” And he said he brought Coke in for Veras to face Pena b/c he had “so many good swings lefthanded yesterday and today that we thought we’d turn him around but it didn’t work out”.

      • Ace

        Butler career vs lefties:

        252 AB, .329 AVG, 12 HR

        • Nady Nation

          I know, the quotations I provided were actually Girardi’s words. I wasn’t mocking him or anything.

    • Drew

      Check out Lohud pete abe has the 7 minute interview on tape.

  • Moshe Mandel

    I have to disagree here on everything until bringing Coke in. I get not using Mo in that weather this early in the year. I also get going to Veras against a guy who has a .965 OPS versus lefties. Could Marte get him? Sure. And if Butler had been the second batter of the inning, sandwiched by lefties, he would have been asked to get him. But in that spot, with one out until Mo, you make the switch to get the platoon advantage. However, once Veras was in the game, he should have faced Pena as well. Going to Coke there for no reason other then a few hard swings by Pena as a lefty was silly.

  • cuponoodles

    Haven’t read all the comments, but improvements need to be made:

    – The black hole that is Cody Ransom needs to be removed from the lineup
    – Girardi needs to learn how to use a bullpen (his bullpen skills are vastly overrated…this arguably cost us a playoff spot last year)
    – Never let Melky Cabrera touch another bat

    When the game ended, I put pretty much 100% of the blame on Girardi, and it’s good to see that I’m not the sole proponent of that theory. Terribly managed game.

    People are saying it’s just one win, but I’d really like us to get some momentum, and 1 game in this division could be a big gap for us.

    • http://eastrutherfordrant.com donttradecano

      the lack of hitting with RISP largely cost us a playoff spot last year.

      Whose replacing cody ransom? Berroras not going to hit more than him, neither will pena. We can deal with ransom for another 3-4 weeks.

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  • Tom in GA

    Girardi is a dunce, and he’s also a groupthink idiot on the subject of bullpen. The over-maneuvering or churning of the bullpen obviously lost that game, but more generally, why, oh, why, is Rivera a 9th-inning-only reliever. Max Kellerman made good points about using great relievers when you need them rather than in save situations only. Sparky Lyle was called on when the game was in the balance, even if that was the 5th inning.

    As for yesterday, give Marte a chance to build his confidence by getting Butler out. Going to Veras and then Coke was so obviously wrong that my dog left the room.

    • Chris C.

      100% correct………and hilarious too.

      And I’d hate to hear that Joe Girardi may cost you your friendhip with your dog.

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  • Gary

    Cody’s days on the roster are numbered. He could actually get released before ARod is activated, and wouldn’t that be something? Maybe the Yanks can see if Jerry Kenney is available until Steroid Boy’s health allows him to play some baseball. Next: PLEASE send Melky Cabrera to TIMBUCKTOO for a ream of baseballs NOW! I hate Melky more than I hated watching Bill Robinson hit .180 in 1968.

    • Chris C.

      “Cody’s days on the roster are numbered.”

      I’m usually not in agreement of judging a guy after the first 6 ballgames of the year, but this dude has got to start hitting.

      Mark Teixeira can start out 1 for 20. Not Cody Ransom.

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