Apr
15

Jackson, Russo not heading to New York

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There was quite a bit of speculation going on after we learned that Kevin Russo and Austin Jackson were both lifted from Triple-A Scranton’s game in the third inning this afternoon, but Chad Jennings says that both players were lifted due to injury. Jackson was hit by a pitch on the elbow and is listed as day-to-day, while Russo is out with an unspecified injury. Hopefully neither is serious.

I’m thinking that Juan Miranda will get the call to replace Nady, serving as the backup first baseman and primary pinch hitter. They don’t need to call up another outfielder, they already have four on their roster, all of whom can play center at least adequately. In an emergency you could run Matsui or even Cody Ransom out to a corner spot. Plus no 40-man move would be required.

Categories : Asides, Injuries

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  1. A.D. says:

    Probably for the best on that one

  2. Good shit.

    Let’s ride this out for a month or so and then see which teams are falling out of it and willing to sell us a CF on the cheap.

  3. Dave says:

    Oh well. I was looking forward to seeing AJax again. I saw him when the Thunder played the Bing Mets.

    More importantly, Game 1 tonight, LETS GO RANGERS!!!!

  4. Teddy says:

    Won’t they just put Nady on the 60-day DL? If that’s the case, they wouldn’t need to drop anybody off of the 40-man, right?

    • Mike says:

      correct. it would open up a spot

    • Drew says:

      Well we don’t know what type of surgery the injury will require. We don’t want to put him on the 60 if he can come back in a month.

    • Steve says:

      But if it were a guy like Russo placed on the 40, that could cause problems later. If it were a easily DFAable guy like Berroa, it would be different though.

    • radnom says:

      Yes.

      Hopefully they call up Juan Miranda instead of J-Rod and keep that 40 man spot open for Melancon.

      • Hopefully they call up Juan Miranda instead of J-Rod and keep that 40 man spot open for Melancon.

        While I love Melancon as much as the next guy, I’m not sure it makes much sense to add another reliever to the 40-man at the moment, we’re already quite pitcher-heavy as it is. Melancon is nasty, but he’d still be only the 9th best reliever on our pecking order at the moment, and there’s tons of other 9th best options we already have like Claggett, SteJax, etc.

        I’m more inclined to add someone like Berroa or J-Rod to the 40-man rather than “keeping it open for Melancon) as those two players do fill an actual need of sorts. And Berroa and J-Rod also have the advantage of being more short-timers that we’d DFA in a heartbeat later, so that if the time comes this season that we do really need Melancon (doubtful) we can make that move then.

        Right now, the 40 and 25 man rosters need more infielders and outfielders, not Mark Melancon.

        • radnom says:

          Who said at the moment?

          Adding Berroa and keeping Ransom does not make sense, so if Berroa was to be added it is safe to assume Ransom would be dropped, thus keeping a 40 man spot open.

          Same goes for Jrod. It made sense to carry 5 outfielders when we had two actual ML players (Nady/Swisher) in one spot. Melky was out of options so he stuck around, but I’m not even sure, roster considerations aside, that I would rather have John Rodriquez on the team instead of Miranda.

          Yes, Claggett and Steven Jackson are there, but in my mind the pecking order for MiL pitchers right now is Robertson and then Melancon.

          So yeah, when it comes to a choice between Miranda and J-Rod I think that roster flexibility should play into the decision, whether that spot is waiting for Melancon or whoever. The players are equally inconsequential that the 40 man spot actually matters.
          Besides, I think most everyone believes that Melancon will be up at some point this year before September. If that is to happen he will need a spot, doesn’t hurt to plan ahead. If and when he is ready, he certainly has the potential to make the club and NOT be the 9th best option out of the bullpen, but make a serious contribution. Something I’m not as confident about as other relievers which you mentioned.

          • Not quite.

            It made sense to carry 5 outfielders not simply because we had the Swisher/Nady surplus and had the Gardner/Melky issue, but it made sense to carry the 5 outfielders because our primary leftfielder, catcher, and designated hitter are all old and injury prone, so we rest them aggressively.

            So, yeah, I see the value of adding J-Rod. I don’t know that we can really get away with only carrying 4 outfielders when Damon, Matsui, and Posada all get a few days off a week, because when that happens not only do we end up playing all our remaining three outfielders (Swish/Gardner/Melky) at the same time, but we lose our OF bat off the bench and defensive replacement.

            If our 4 outfielders were Swisher + Damon in his prime and healthy + a CF we could count on to produce above replacement level, then yeah, I’d probably be fine with Melky as the 4th OF and no fifth OF. But, since Damon and Gardner are not slam dunks to play every day and to play well every day, respectively, I see great value in adding J-Rod to the 40-man.

            And like I said: in September when we’re ready to add Melancon, J-Rod is highly DFA’able. Adding him to the 40-man now (when we need him) doesn’t preclude us from dumping him later when we want that 40-man spot back for Melancon.

            My guess is he joins the club now, we trade Melky and some relievers off the 40-man for Cameron/Byrd/Milledge/Willingham/etc. sometime down the road, and J-Rod gets DFA’d when that happens.

            • radnom says:


              Not quite.

              and this refers too…? Or just being snarky


              It made sense to carry 5 outfielders not simply because we had the Swisher/Nady surplus and had the Gardner/Melky issue, but it made sense to carry the 5 outfielders because our primary leftfielder, catcher, and designated hitter are all old and injury prone, so we rest them aggressively.

              I disagree that 35 years old only been on the DL once in his career because of a run in with a wall Johnny Damon is old and injury prone but that is irrelevant. With the 40 man spot open an outfielder could be added at any time. Why you mention Posada as an argument for a 5th OF I’m not sure, same with DH, Miranda applies there as well as Rodriguez.


              So, yeah, I see the value of adding J-Rod. I don’t know that we can really get away with only carrying 4 outfielders when Damon, Matsui, and Posada all get a few days off a week, because when that happens not only do we end up playing all our remaining three outfielders (Swish/Gardner/Melky) at the same time, but we lose our OF bat off the bench and defensive replacement.

              I’m not sure what you are implying here. Do you think somehow that Swish/Gardner/Rodriguez is more palatable? Do you think that Damon can’t possibly come off the bench in the event of an injury or pinch hitting opportunity? Damon is not being rested 3 days a week, neither is Matsui once he gets going offensively.


              If our 4 outfielders were Swisher + Damon in his prime and healthy + a CF we could count on to produce above replacement level, then yeah, I’d probably be fine with Melky as the 4th OF and no fifth OF. But, since Damon and Gardner are not slam dunks to play every day and to play well every day, respectively, I see great value in adding J-Rod to the 40-man.

              So, since Gardner might not play well, you see this as a reason their is value in adding someone who
              A. is a worse offensive player
              and
              B. Can’t even play the same position as Gardner, unless you are suggesting Swisher in CF


              And like I said: in September when we’re ready to add Melancon, J-Rod is highly DFA’able. Adding him to the 40-man now (when we need him) doesn’t preclude us from dumping him later when we want that 40-man spot back for Melancon.

              If we did really need him I would be in total agreement. I don’t think we do. I think adding him or Miranda is basically the same right now, with a slight nod to Miranda.

              • If we did really need him I would be in total agreement. I don’t think we do. I think adding him or Miranda is basically the same right now, with a slight nod to Miranda.

                I give my slight nod to J-Rod, because he has defensive value.

                • radnom says:

                  But has less defensive value than the person he would be playing instead of (4th OF – Melky). Miranda actually has some offensive value over whoever else would fill in at 1st/DH.

                • And, if Miranda could provide that offensive value at RF or LF, it would be worthwhile.

                  He can’t.

                  We don’t need that 4th/5th OF to provide great defensive value (since Melky does), just adequate defensive value and good offensive value (since Melky can’t do that).

                  Shelley Duncan/John Rodriguez and Juan Miranda are basically the same player. You’re just trading a tiny bit of offense for the significant ability to put that offense in LF/RF without severely damaging your defense.

                • radnom says:

                  Ok.

                  We disagree because you think Shelley Duncan in Left field is a significantly better Offensive/Defensive total package than Melky.
                  I, seriously do not.

                • No, I don’t think Shelley is a significantly better total package.

                  I think they’re both half players. Shelley is a bat you can play in the corners. Melky is a non-bat you can play in the middle.

                  I think they’re pretty damn equitable. But I think this team is weaker if we don’t at least have both of those two things: a bat we can play in the corners and a non-bat we can play in the middle.

                • radnom says:


                  Shelley is a bat

                  That is where I disagree.

                  He really isn’t.

            • radnom says:

              And like I said: in September when we’re ready to add Melancon, J-Rod is highly DFA’able. Adding him to the 40-man now (when we need him) doesn’t preclude us from dumping him later when we want that 40-man spot back for Melancon.

              One last note on this. In September we won’t need to DFA anyone. Thing is, most people think he will be up before then (didn’t Mike A. say by May 15? – I think that is a little aggressive myself). With the spot open we could also add a FA who might actually add some real value without having to DFA Rodriguez for a one week fill in.
              40 man roster spots are valuable.

  5. Jake H says:

    I’m glad that they aren’t calling Jackson up.

  6. Tony says:

    I already posted this in the game thread, but it’s appropriate here.

    Guys, I just got an idea. Since we dealt Jose Tabata (the OF we’ll need next year) and Ross Ohlendorf (the long reliever we need now) for an 89 win season and a season of part-time RF play (or so we thought), let’s try the whole “trade prospects for short-term roster patching” thing again to replace Nady!

      • Tony says:

        Thanks, Captain.

        I added value to the post, as you’ll notice if you pick out it from the 300-comment general discussion entry from which it came.

        • whozat says:

          I’m not sure “value” was the word you were looking for.

        • Since I didn’t respond the first time, I don’t think I’ll bother going back to find it now.

        • radnom says:

          Did you add value? I can’t imagine where.

          Ok, where to even begin?


          Guys, I just got an idea. Since we dealt Jose Tabata (the OF we’ll need next year)

          Tabata is going to be a useful ML outfielder next year? You’re sure of that?
          Too bad its not like there are tons of free agent outfielders next season, and the market for corner OF isn’t way down….oh wait….


          and Ross Ohlendorf (the long reliever we need now)

          Our bullpen is fine.


          for an 89 win season

          The trade is such a small factor in the 89 win season you can’t think like that. The Yankees didn’t make that trade knowing that Wang and Joba would be lost and hoping that Nady and Marte would bump them from 83 to 89 wins. They made it to have a shot at the playoffs, which the trade increased their chances of significantly.


          and a season of part-time RF play (or so we thought)

          Half a season of full time RF play. Plus another full season. NO ONE knew we would be getting Swisher and Tex, which it required both of them to even push Nady to have to compete for the spot. Originally, people were conjecturing Damon might be required to pry Swisher from the Sox, so the fact that he was traded for what he was is a coup in the first place. Add to that that no one saw the Tex signing comming, and you can see the trade was made for a full 1.5 years of Nady’s services.

          Oh yeah, not to mention half a season of Marte.


          , let’s try the whole “trade prospects for short-term roster patching” thing again to replace Nady!\

          Who suggested that? You don’t exactly have to trade significant prospects to get a 4th OF. If a deal makes sense for someone who could replace Nady and then help in the future it would be something to seriously listen to.

          There.
          Now you can stop posting this, as it has been ripped to shreds.

      • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi says:
        April 15th, 2009 at 7:24 pm
        Please don’t repeat posts.

        Especially posts that weren’t useful enough the first time around to merit discussion.

    • whozat says:

      A) Ross Ohlendorf is not a long reliever
      B) Jose Tabata will not be in the big leagues next year
      C) At the time, the Yanks were very much in the playoff picture, but still vulnerable to lefty pitchers, with an all-righty bullpen
      D) We also got a lefty setup man for a couple years
      E) We also got a starting RFer for 2009; his injury was not predictable
      F) Tabata got disciplined multiple time for being a little punk, doing things like leaving the stadium before a game was over because he got benched for dogging it on the field during the game
      G) No on is suggesting spending anyone valuable for a rental. Guys like Kontos, Albaladejo, Veras, Aceves, Melky…any of these could be spent without feeling it.

      • H) Tabatas wife stealds babies… and is like 40.

      • Tony says:

        A) He’s not a long reliever… for the Pirates. In NY he would be perfect for it.
        B) Maybe, maybe not. He’s definitely worth more than they got for him.
        C) They were in the playoff picture in a very abstract way. They were actually well out of it for a long time and the standings at the end created a false impression of the season as a whole.
        D) I might be more open to this if Girardi used Marte like what he is, rather than what he envisions in his TLR fantasies.
        E) We got a RF that everyone wanted to bench in favor of the return on a Wilson Betemit trade.
        F) That’s fine, they still didn’t maximize his trade value. They made a desperate short-term move for a critically flawed team.
        G) This I can agree with, if that’s how it actually works out

        • whozat says:

          A) No, actually, he really only has two pitches. He’s a 1-2 inning guy in the AL. Maybe.
          B) A starting RFer and a lefty setup man for a kid with attitude problems and poor conditioning in AA? Ok.
          C) If Joba stayed healthy, they would have been fighting for the wildcard til the bitter end.
          D) We have ONE game where Girardi took Marte out against a guy that annihilates lefties. If he starts swapping him out against Varitekian hitters, then I’ll give you this one.
          E) Strawman. Just because Kenny Williams is stupid doesn’t mean that Nick Swisher is a shitty player.
          F) It wasn’t desperate. Both of those players were supposed to play a significant role in 2009 — at LEAST. If either of them was gone right now, you’d have more of a case.

        • A.D. says:

          I’ll give you that they sold low on Tabata, but the Yankees were only 4.5 games out of first place at the time of the trade, 1.5 behind the Sox, which in July, is still very much in it.

          Because they were able to buy low on Swisher doesn’t make his upside, or his potential for being a better RF than Nady any different.

          If the Yankees wanted a long reliever then they would have brought one of the option up from AAA, Ohllie wouldn’t be the long reliever because the Yanks don’t seem to want one.

    • pat says:

      When nobody responded the first time you should have gotten the hint.

  7. YankeeFan says:

    Why not bring up Melancon? He has nothing else to prove in Triple-A. See if he can cement his role in the pen.

    • Why would bring up Melancon when you need to replace an outfielder?

    • Alex says:

      give him 1 more month.. May 15, then trade Veras for an outfielder?

    • whozat says:

      Because the team needs at least one of the following:

      a better CFer
      corner OF/IF depth
      a better replacement 3B
      the ability to hit lefties better

      Melancon can’t do any of that.

      • Steve says:

        Frank Catalanatto?

        • whozat says:

          Is he enough better than Juan Miranda to justify it? Is he a free agent right now, or what?

          • radnom says:

            Agreed. I would rather Miranda and keep that 40 man spot open.

            Unless they need the extra OFer.

            • Our need for that extra outfielder is way, way bigger than our need for a backup first baseman.

              We’re replacing Nady’s plate appearances AND outfield innings. Miranda only does half of that. Meanwhile, many of the outfielders we could add, whether guys like J-Rod or one of the Duncan brothers can play the OF and be the backup 1B.

              Two birds with one stone. That’s why Nady was so useful.

              • radnom says:

                5th outfielders rarely play. If he was a better bat than Melky I would say yeah. At this point I would say get the best bat in the minors and bring him up.

                Nady’s outfield innings came at the expense of Swisher. It doesn’t matter who we bring up..they arn’t going to be taking innings from Swisher. Those innings do not need to be replaced.

                • 5th outfielders rarely play. If he was a better bat than Melky I would say yeah.

                  J-Rod and Shelley are both probably better bats than Melky. They would become the 4th OF and Melky would become the 5th OF.

                  Nady’s outfield innings came at the expense of Swisher. It doesn’t matter who we bring up..they arn’t going to be taking innings from Swisher. Those innings do not need to be replaced.

                  No, those innings don’t NEED to be replaced. But eliminating Nady gives his 4th OF innings to Melky, those are innings that SHOULD be replaced.

                  We should certainly be much more concerned with how best to fill the 4th and 5th OF innings than with adding a reliever to a 40-man roster that already has 15+ relievers on it.

                • radnom says:


                  No, those innings don’t NEED to be replaced. But eliminating Nady gives his 4th OF innings to Melky, those are innings that SHOULD be replaced.

                  Eh, I really don’t think Shelley > Melky is a marked improvement. I would rather have Miranda on the team. This isn’t about the roster spot. It’s close, I could go either way, but its really not a big advantage to either side.


                  We should certainly be much more concerned with how best to fill the 4th and 5th OF innings than with adding a reliever to a 40-man roster that already has 15+ relievers on it.

                  There. Is. One. Guy. Here. Who. Wants. To. Add. Melancon. To. The. 40. Man. Right. Now. And. You’re. Not. Talking. To. Him.

                  Now that we FINALLY have that cleared up. Saying we need a position player not on the 40 man roster because it would take up a spot and balance it out IS NOT A GOOD REASON. You have to admit that the open 40 man spot is an ADVANTAGE in Miranda’s favor. If you think the need for Shelley Duncan is greater than that of Miranda and think it overpowers the advantage of having the flexible roster then fine. That is valid, but I disagree. Just stop acting like filling that last 40 man spot is a good thing.

                • I’m not saying filling that 40 man spot is a good thing.

                  I’m saying choosing to not fill that 40 man spot with a player we don’t really have a long-term plan for and will easily DFA in a heartbeat (like Shelley) just because we want to add a reliever later is silly. We have needs on this team right now. I’m not going to ignore those needs and hold a 40-man spot open forever just because I like Melancon.

                • radnom says:

                  You certainly enjoy using the strawman.

                  Who said anything about saving the spot specifically for someone anyway? I don’t want Shelley to be added because he sucks. I think Miranda is a better option.
                  Having the flexibility to add a free agent or a young reliever who is going to be added soon anyway is merely a plus.

      • Drew says:

        But none of those are even in AAA. I’m not saying Melancon should be brought up yet. I can’t wait to see who gets the call though.

  8. YankeeFan says:

    Yankees do not need to replace an outfielder. They already had 5. Now they have 4 like essentially every other roster.

    • whozat says:

      Um…except that two of them kind of suck at hitting. One MIGHT not, but probably does. That’s a problem, especially since a third of these four is the backup 1B as well…and our starting 1B had to sit out with an injury for three games in the last week.

      A solid bat that plays the corner OF or 1B would make it so that we don’t have Melky and Gardner in the same lineup EVER, even if one of Damon/Swish/Tex needs a day off. And we know that Damon needs days off, so that’s kinda important. The 3B issue is kind of orthogonal, but if we’re talking about roster moves…you gotta think about that before talking about relief pitching.

      • YankeeFan says:

        I’m sorry but if most of those guys like John Rodriguez and Shelley Duncan didn’t make the team out of ST then they are not going to contribute much.

        Melancon can easily be added to the 40-man roster since Nady is undoubtedly going on the 60-day DL. Why add a J-Rod or Angel Berroa or whoever else when you bring up the most touted and ready guy that can actually has a chance to propel and cement himself as a late-inning reliever.

        • No, guys like John Rodriguez and Shelley Duncan didn’t make the team out of Spring Training because Xavier Nady still had two working elbows in Spring Training.

          The situation has changed.

          Melancon can easily be added to the 40-man roster since Nady is undoubtedly going on the 60-day DL. Why add a J-Rod or Angel Berroa or whoever else when you bring up the most touted and ready guy that can actually has a chance to propel and cement himself as a late-inning reliever.

          Because WE. DON’T. NEED. MELANCON.

          He’s a luxury. A luxury we don’t need at a position where we’re overindexed.

          Adding Melancon now makes no sense at all.

  9. This discussion is getting a little wacky.

    Let’s get this straightened out.

    Injured Yankees:
    ARod (3B)
    Nady (OF)

    Third basemen on the 40-man roster:
    Cody Ransom
    Ramiro Pena

    Outfielders on the 40-man roster:
    Johnny Damon
    Nick Swisher
    Brett Gardner
    Melky Cabrera

    Relief pitchers on the 40-man roster:
    The Hand of Mo
    Brian Bruney
    Damaso Marte
    Jose Veras
    Edwar Ramirez
    Phil Coke
    Jonathan Albaladejo
    David Robertson
    Anthony Claggett
    Steven Jackson
    Humberto Sanchez
    Michael Dunn
    Wilkins De La Rosa
    Christian Garcia
    Alfredo Aceves
    Eric Hacker

    —————-

    Names that shouldn’t be mentioned as possible near-future additions to the 40-man roster until we resolve the problem of insufficient quality players at 3B and the OF on the 40-man roster:
    Mark Melancon

    • radnom says:

      Number of posters who mentioned bringing up Melancon right this minute: 1

      Number of players in the organization right now who can add quality to 3B/OF by being added 40 man roster: 0

      There is no need to add a position player to the 40 man just for the sake of adding them when it won’t benefit the major league team over adding a guy like say, Miranda, who happens to already be on the 40 man.

      Roster flexibility is a good thing.

      • Number of players in the organization right now who can add quality to 3B/OF by being added 40 man roster: 0

        Angel Berroa, Eric Duncan, Kevin Russo, Justin Leone, Shelley Duncan, and John Rodriguez can all add VALUE to 3B/OF by being added to the 40-man roster. Quality value, probably not, but value nonetheless.

        It may not be much quality, but it is something. They can all at least soak up some innings or provide late-inning offense or defense.

        It’s more than Melancon can provide, all things considered, because our bullpen is already pretty damn pimp-tight. It’s marginal utility.

        Melancon isn’t going to give us an upgrade in quality or provide us additional depth. The other guys also won’t give us an upgrade in quality but they DO provide depth and flexibility.

        • YankeeFan says:

          If Melancon can learn and be as successful as he has been in the minors how is he not an upgrade? He’s a guy that has upside of closer/set-up man stuff remind me how he is not an upgrade?

          • Because Bruney, Marte, Edwar, Veras, Albaladejo, Coke, and Robertson are all good-to-great releivers.

            You’re talking about the difference between Edwar pitching and inning and getting 3 outs and a walk and Melancon pitching an inning and getting three outs and no walks.

            Yes, he’s probably better than some of the relievers we have right now.

            No, he’s not so much better than any of them that adding him and demoting someone else makes our team demonstrably better.

            Not a significant upgrade, all things considered. If our bullpen was a problem, Melancon would be crucially important and we should be scrambling to find a 40-man spot for him. But the bullpen’s pretty great, adding him would be an upgrade so small it’s fairly negligible. Negligible enough that we should focus more on our offensive/defensive depth problems and fill the 40-man hole vacated by Nady with an actual position player rather than “save” the spot for Melancon.

            • YankeeFan says:

              Got to be a realist. Basing Edwar and Veras off one year of success. Edwar is susceptible to the HR and Veras’ control is still weary. Albaladejo and Coke have limited experience and both have shown that they can be hit.

              Melancon is the one out of those guys, not including Bruney and Marte, that has the potential to be a great reliever. If Melancon gets called up and pitches effectively in the 6th/7th inning, you can cut the game even shorter.

        • radnom says:

          Wow. This is so off.


          Quality value, probably not, but value nonetheless.

          It may not be much quality, but it is something. They can all at least soak up some innings or provide late-inning offense or defense.

          So how is that value at all? None of them can provide offense over anyone on the 25 man roster, and none of them play positions where we need a defensive bench guy (Melky in OF, Pena at 3B). The would just be filling space, if they wouldn’t be particularly useful on the 25 man, why the rush to put on one the 40 man.


          Melancon isn’t going to give us an upgrade in quality or provide us additional depth. The other guys also won’t give us an upgrade in quality but they DO provide depth and flexibility.

          I don’t see how you can argue that not keeping an open 40 man spot provides flexibility.
          The other guys won’t really provide much depth, since they are plentiful and waiting to be called on in the minors at any time.
          And again, I never said we should bring up Melancon. But I’m not going to let you say he wouldn’t upgrade the bullpen at all, at some point this season. I am fairly certain that by the end of the year he would provide a bigger upgrade in quality over the last man in the pen than Shelley Duncan would over Juan Miranda.

        • radnom says:


          Because Bruney, Marte, Edwar, Veras, Albaladejo, Coke, and Robertson are all good-to-great releivers.

          Based on…last year?
          Relievers are definitely not volatile or anything, I’m sure all seven of them will be just as effective this year and suffer no injuries.

          And guys like Albaladejo and Robertson definitely have long track records proving they are exempt from the normal fluctuations relievers go through, right?

          • Again:

            Relief pitchers on the 40-man roster:
            The Hand of Mo
            Brian Bruney
            Damaso Marte
            Jose Veras
            Edwar Ramirez
            Phil Coke
            Jonathan Albaladejo
            David Robertson
            Anthony Claggett
            Steven Jackson
            Humberto Sanchez
            Michael Dunn
            Wilkins De La Rosa
            Christian Garcia
            Alfredo Aceves
            Eric Hacker

            Even if two or three of the relievers on the 25-man fail, we have numerous other options to turn to before we get to Melancon.

            It’s ironic that you’re saying we should keep the roster spot open for Melancon for “flexibility” purposes when we already have a significant glut of relief pitchers on the 40 man.

            Adding Melancon, whether we do it now or 4 months from now, DECREASES our roster flexibility. Adding a player we don’t need to a collection of players we already have a ton of on the 40-man is not a move that increases our flexibility.

            • radnom says:


              It’s ironic that you’re saying we should keep the roster spot open for Melancon for “flexibility” purposes when we already have a significant glut of relief pitchers on the 40 man.

              I’m not saying specifically for Melancon, although he is clearly the next internal significant impact player to be added to the 40 man.

              Why are you arguing that having an open 40 man spot is a bad thing?

              Forget about the roster for now. Lets talk about your assessment that Melancon could not possibly be useful this season with our current bullpen.
              Wow, that is a long list of names, it must mean we have a lot of depth there, right? right? I mean there really are a lot of name there?

              Lets use your scenario, say 2-3 guys go down. There are only 2 of those guys I have any sort of tangible faith they could pitch at a big league level (Dave and Alfredo) and one of them isn’t really a reliever. You’re really ok with Claggett and Jackson being in the bullpen this year? Everyone below them is NOT ready for the major leagues. Just because Wilkens De La Rosa is on the 40 man doesn’t mean he is a realistic option for the bullpen this year. I’m sorry, but he isn’t.

              • You’re really ok with Claggett and Jackson being in the bullpen this year?

                Yes. Humberto too.

                We need to see them and pitch them and figure out what value they have.

                • radnom says:

                  See my post below regarding Humberto. Claggett didn’t even taste AAA last year.

                  I like Humberto too, I hope he pulls through.

                  Thing is though, if someone gets injured tommorow I’m not counting on him for shit. I want the better pitcher.

            • radnom says:

              To further show that the number of pitchers on the 40 man doesn’t necessarily equal bullpen depth…

              are these guys really a comparable option to Melancon for the bullpen at the moment….

              Wilkins De La Rosa – hasn’t pitched above A, hell has only pitched one full year. Definitely can see him in the pen this year.

              Humberto Sanchez – Not exactly a picture of health. Pitched only 15 games in the minors last year, none above AA. What is he doing right now anyway?

              Mike Dunn – Hasn’t sniffed AAA yet.

              I could go on, but I think i’ve made my point

  10. Mike Pop says:

    Tommy John for Nady according to Rotoworld/NY Daily News.

  11. pat says:

    Acoustic “Hey Ya” on scrubs, I kinda liked it.

  12. Matt says:

    Hey, so, Minor League Splits has Joba at 96.3 innings in the minors for 2007 whereas B-R has him at 88.1. Wtf, mates?

  13. Drew says:

    Does anyone else think Pena should either be starting over Cody (like today) or be put back in the minors so he can work on hitting everyday?
    Eh… Effing Padres..

  14. E-ROC says:

    Would this injury affect Nady’s free agent type status?

  15. cult of basebaal says:

    Robertson is the callup, according to Petey

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