Open Thread: But what about the … 7th?
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Brian Bruney is on quite a roll of late. Since a rough Opening Day outing in which he allowed two runs on a hit and a pair of walks in just a third of an inning, the righty has retired 17 straight batters, 12 via the strikeout. Bruney’s been the second most valuable reliever in the AL on the young season, chipping in 0.4 wins above replacement. His 15.43 Kper9 ranks fifth in the league. In a bullpen that has been overworked and underwhelming because of Chien-Ming Wang‘s struggles, Bruney’s been an extreme bright spot. He’s shut the B-Jobbers up for the time being, but that’s just not enough for some people:
For the moment, the debate over whether Chamberlain should be the setup man is not even relevant. Bruney, who has retired 17 straight hitters, seems more than qualified for that role. The Yankees’ problem will not be getting to Rivera. It will be getting to Bruney.
OMG … the 7th inning!!! Why didn’t they think of that before?!?!?
I’m sorry, but this is too funny. The MSM just moves from one thing to the next. If Joba’s in the rotation who will set up Mo? Well that question’s been answered, but now who’s going to set up the setup man? And what about those crucial outs in the sixth inning? Who’s going to pitch those innings now that Bruney’s setting up?!? It never ends.
Anyway, here’s your open thread since tonight’s game was postponed. The Rangers are home tonight, and are looking to take a commanding 3-0 series lead against the Caps in the Eastern Conference Quarterfinals. The fact that they went to Washington and took Games One & Two on the road while keeping Alex Ovechin and Mike Green out of the goal column is nothing short of a miracle.
Hat tips go to RAB regulars Jamal G. for the article on the 7th and tommiesmithjohncarlos for the graphic.
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Yanks to skip Wang’s next start
Update by Ben (7:17 p.m.): The Yankees have announced the rotation for the next four games, and Chien-Ming Wang is not in it. Andy Pettitte and CC Sabathia will close out the Oakland series, and then A.J. Burnett, Joba and Pettitte will take on the Red Sox in Boston. The team has yet to announce what they plan on doing with Wang for the next week or so. I’m guessing he’ll work on the side and probably toss some live BP. The Yanks really need to work out his mechanical issues.
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And what about the third in Chien-Ming Wang starts? Who’s going to pitch the third????
Yeah, I went there.
Just call up Meleancon for that
Kyle Farnsworth.
Based on his work so far, I’m sure the Royals would gladly send him back to the Yanks. He is single-handedly responsible for most of their losses.
“Based on his work so far, I’m sure the Royals would gladly send him
back to the Yanksto any other team in the league.”I must say I thoroughly enjoyed that graph.
That graph was incredible.
Agreed, it is just awesome.
Caption for your picture:
CC: Is he really…?
A.J.: Yup.
CC: Why…?
A.J.: No idea, man. He says it toughens his hands up. I call Molina as my personal catcher.
CC: Dammit!
Classic!
This caption was more dissapointin than when I lost to you in the RAB Bracket Busters tourney.
Why don’t you go back to your home on whore island?
You look like a blueberry!
Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries.
You’re a smelly pirate hooker!
If you were a man I’d punch you.
Well the 7th inning should usually be covered by whoever is starting that day. If not, I’m sure other people we have are more than capable of doing the job. Joba in the 7th makes negative sense.
I dont think anyone assumes that would be his role.
Oh and awesome picture.
This is just speculation, but since they were talking about the rotation right before that quote about getting the ball to Bruney, I hope they meant getting length out of our starters.
Thats what I am going to tell myself anyway…
Best. Graphic. Ever.
Great visual…you should subtitle it “Bullpens for Dummies”
needs more cowbell
Awesome!
peteabe says theyre skipping CMW’s start in boston… great decision i think
meanwhile with the day off tonight, every starter appears to be pitching on 5 days rest, and since almost all of them threw a lot of pitches in their previous start, its another bonus along with the obvious bullpen rest
peteabe says theyre skipping CMW’s start in boston
Link = http://yankees.lhblogs.com/200.....-the-week/
Got it. Post has been updated.
Yeah, I’m real glad the bullpen gets a nice rest tonight. It was nice to see AJ make it as far as he did the other day despite struggling. I know it’s the clear exception and not the rule, but it was great that AJ didn’t totally blow up even though he walked 7. I guess he had a Dice-K game, eh?
It’s like the time he threw a no-hitter with 9 walks
Haha, yeah. That was ridiculous.
i think its a sign of maturity as lame as that might sound… maybe he really did learn a lot from halladay in toronto
in my opinion, winning without your best stuff is the sign of an ace pitcher… though he didnt get the win, he kept us in the game (with bullpen help of course) and bent but didnt break
im not sure the burnett of a few years ago wouldve kept us in that game
I agree with you that he’s learned from Halladay a lot and has matured, but he was more than a little bit lucky yesterday, considering he only had two strikeouts.
Only 3 hits. I know he walked the park but 3 hits through 6+ isn’t luck IMO.
Agreed. Amazingly enough, for a 32 yr old he still has a lot of untapped upside as he learns to be a pitcher instead of a thrower.
im not sure the burnett of a few years ago wouldve kept us in that game
That he did is a sign he’s maturing as a pitcher.
Seaver said that 10% of the time he took the mound, he had electric stuff, 10% of the time he had nothing (though presumably more than Wang has had this year), but 80% of the time he had to figure out how to keep his team in the game.
I think AJ has reached that point. I hope he can convey that knowledge to Joba, so he won’t have to wait until he’s 30 to learn it.
ohlendorf vs hanley 2 on no out
Something tells me this won’t end well for young Ross.
Fun fact: Young Ross is two years older than Hanley Ramirez.
I know, I was just speaking in generalities.
ah groundout, boo
Great image up there TSJC. Good little article Jamal, but what does MSM mean?
Mainstream Media.
Ah, thanks Ben, I figured mass media or something.
So, hockey fans, is Alex Ovechkin some kind of douche?
http://tinyurl.com/d348kd
i dont care about or follow hockey, but thats pretty funny
No Whalers, no care.
As a borderline hockey fan, former UUUGe Devil’s fan, I found this to be some great posturing by a hockey player. You know the Rangers saw him out there and whether it did nothing else, it had to make some players/coachs wonder, “Wtf is this ass doing here?”
I’d say huge ego is fair, douche probably. Drives me nuts watching him, he’s amazing in the offensive zone but plays 0 defense, the first thing you’re taught when you’re a kid- backcheck. If it kills me I don’t know how the rest of his team and coach deal with it, probably the 50+ goals a season helps
Dammit,Belichick and Ovechkin are too similar to make a funny amalgamation.
did baldelli really hit the DL already??
Jed Lowrie is supposed to have surgery on his wrist as well.
If Nick Green’s their SS for most of the year it be hilarious.
How about them Nationals:
http://tinyurl.com/cxdpk7
If this were to happen to an obscure high school, it would be hilarious. The fact that it happened to an MLB team?.. Sad
When I was playing rec. league basketball in high school, our league named the teams after NBA teams. One team, of course, was the Knicks. However, their jerseys said “New York Nicks.”
haha, it’s amazing that these things don’t get caught.
Wow, just wow.
Wow, Virgina is funny, Natinals is just sad.
i dont understand how the players agreed to take the field wearing that… i mean its bad enough theyre 1-11
for the love of god wear ur road unis or something
They can probably make some money selling them after the game. Rather than $100 for a signed Dunn jersey, they could sell ‘em for a cool $110.
New Nationals uniforms:
http://tbn1.google.com/images?.....954-01.jpg
Genius.
Yikes.
I’m thinking the Yankees could use Joba in the 7th. As well as CC, AJ, Andy, and maybe someday, CMW, in rotation, once each every five days. And they can also use them for the 1st thru 6th innings.
Maybe that’s too radical.
Oh, and I too love the graphic, but I am not happy with the choice of the Manhattan bridge. The Manhattan Bridge != the Brooklyn Bridge. You want to use a metaphor, you gotta go with the Brooklyn Bridge.
And I’m not happy with the UGE insinuation at the bottom line of TSJC’s graphic that Joba does steriods. Fucked up man, fucked up
That skyline behind Pirate’s Stadium, whatever it’s called, looks pretty sick with the rain clouds.
I think it’s PNC Park. I was there last summer for a day, and it is a very small but beautiful park.
Melky Mesa just hosed down a runner at third from the corner in RF.
who in the hell is melky mesa
The next great Melky in the Yankees system.
A poor man’s melky cabrera. Yes, that means he’s even worse.
could u keep us posted on brackman start tonite and do u have a good blog for the riverdogs and tampa yankees
http://web.minorleaguebaseball...../audio.jsp
Just listen to the game.
There was going to be a promising site dedicated to the Tampa Yankees, but Pinstripes Plus gobbled it up. Pinstripes Plus are bastards.
Send that picture to Francessa, George King, Wallace Matthews, and all of the other B-jobbers.
They still wouldn’t get it.
Francessa/King/Matthews + graphic = http://i4.photobucket.com/albu.....ngHead.gif
Francessa said the other day, “I hope he struggles [Joba] to be honest, so they get the point.” Eh, I used to listen/watch this guy everyday, but he has lost all of his integrity since he’s been alone.
He had integrity?
Maybe I’m too young (21) to remember a time when he was good, but for the life of me, I can’t think of a time of his–alone or with Russo–where I thought “Wow. What an insightful comment” or just got a general feeling of intelligence from him. No matter how short of a time span I listen to him, I come away thinking he sounds like that drunk guy down the bar who thinks he knows everything about every sport ever.
I’m only 23, but I used to enjoy and respect his general opinions. Now, I’m starting to think my view on him was magnified by my disgust of the Mad Dog.
Perhaps your right–I didn’t like either one of them.
*You’re. Woops.
When they first went on the air, about 20 years ago, they really raised the level of debate that you’d find on most sports shows or the rest of that station. Once upon a time, they were the gold standard, but that was a long, long time ago.
I still like Mike, but I had hoped the rumors about him adding Max Kellerman were true. Looks like they weren’t.
A long time ago, Dave Klein wrote in the Star Ledger “Mike Francesa went from being knowledgeable to being a know-it-all in a very short period of time.”
Truer words were never written.
Awesome picture!
I know it’s right behind the plate, but those “Lexus Club” seats at the Pirate’s game are $210. Beats $2500 I guess.
i wouldnt pay $15 to watch a national game from the on-deck circle
^nationals
You’re probably being sarcastic, but I’d jump on it for that price, yo!!!
Natinals*
I would, it would be cool to hit the bar then go watch a team like the Marlins or Dodgers. Especially the Dodgers.
now we need a bridge to friggin’ bruney????
slowly i turn, step by step…
also, you know it’s a slow night when you’re best option is watching russ ohlendorf pitch for the pirates
I’m sitting here begrudgingly doing the same thing.
I think most of us are. lol, I have to watch something, and after my Heat got smashed last night, basketball is out the window.
Raw is War at 9……
They replayed last week’s on Telemundo Sunday night. I was very entertained.
I didn’t think Craig Monroe was still in the Majors. You learn something new every day, huh?
He’s killing it. Well, 2 HR’s the other day. I saw it on Sportscenter.
brackman cooking maybe by the end of the year he is in the pen and then mike will say we should leave him there
Don’t think he’ll be moved up 4 levels in 4 months off of Tommy John. We’ll probably see him late 2010
I think the Yanks will be very resistant to that. If they thought he could/should move quickly, he would have started the year in High-A Tampa, not Charleston. Putting him with the RiverDogs tells me how raw they think he still is, even though he’s 22.
I wouldn’t be too surprised to see Brackman pitch a few low leverage relief innings sometime in September. However, I would be exceedingly surprised to see him stick on the 25 man out of 2010 Spring Training, even moreso in the pen, since we (allegedly) have so many RHP options.
I wonder where he will be at the end of the year. Both organization wise and prospect wise.
I would say he ends the year at Trenton, and he becomes a top 50 prospect. Just my educated guess. Way to go out on a limb, huh?
Fucking rain everywhere!! A bunch of MLB games rained out, plus my game was rained out down here as well. Shit my luck that when I get to stay home during a week night to be able to watch entire Yankees game they get rained out too. Blasphemy.
I’m in Cali, just lucky to get them 3 nights on tv playing against the A’s. Man, I need to get a dish!
am i missing the link to jamal’s article?
I think this article IS Jamal’s article…no?
Jamal didn’t write it, he probably just emailed it to Mike
Bingo.
Wowsers hanley just gunned out Monroe from deeeeeeeeep in the hole.
I gunned out your mother from deeeeeeeeep in the hole.
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That is quite the interesting turn of events.
Yo wats good guys, seem like years since I could talk to ya guys.
Pudge?
Damn yo, where you been?
fuckin computer fucked up on me. Hopefully by the beginning of may I get my comp back and plus, I have been supa busy. I miss yo guys lol.
You still having computer problems?
Well it will be resolved soon. It would have been accomplished much sooner but my schduele has been tough.
Good, get your ish together. RAB has been under assault by b-jobbers idiots, malcontents and other assorted nincompoops, we need all the sane people we can get.
we need all the sane people we can get.
THEN WHAT ARE YOU STILL DOING HERE?!
/lame-old-time-TV-type-joke
http://instantcrickets.com/
couldn’t resist.
Haha, I was thinking of doing it to myself.
WHYIOUGHTA!!!!
Ietc.
Lol, I was just asking bout you the other day.
That’s not weird or anything…
Ya, not as weird as a jackoff like you winning the Bracket Busters.
Wow. You really know how to cut to the core of me.
Did I say that loud?
Via MLBTR, Brad Wilkerson retired. Remember when that dude was the future?
Juicer?
You know it’s a bad situation for your team when a dude on ESPN says that your team is “expecting big things” from Mike Hampton.
it’s like saying, the toughest guy on the football team is the kicker, bad bad news.
When can we expect to hear anything on Nady?
A-Brack: 7 K through 5.
Anybody remember Ross Olhendorf?
He’s pitching well against 11-1 Marlins
All of then sudden last years trade with PITT looks like it’s working out much better for them.
How is Tabata/Karstens doing?
.231/.318/.282
http://i44.tinypic.com/2s81dhl.jpg
Hahah I like that picture.
The original deal included Coke and Kontos. I think we are still ahead.
Ohlendorf has a nice change. Where was this 2 years ago, dick.
In the seats?
Well we had him pitching outta then pen so they probably ditched the change and told him to focus on the fb/slider.
I think he had a very solid sinker as an out pitch, right?
I know he has one, I don’t know if he used it as an out pitch though, more to induce contact. Then again, it seems like he didn’t get very many outs for the big club so it’s hard to tell.
I’ve always liked him as a starter more than a reliever. It always seemed like he was overthrowing and his control would suffer. His stuff has good natural movement but when maxing out for an inning he was all over the place. He’s in a good situation now and I hope he has a good career.
Jordan Zimmerman, good or really good?
He’s not as good at pitching as you are at losing bracket tournaments.
This was great. Nice one, Matt.
Hah I agree and your’s a few comments above this was funny as well. Consider yourselves +1′ed.
your’s? are you serious?
**Yours
Can anyone remember a worse outfield than the one the Yanks are fielding now?
I realize that the team is a work in progress but the pitchers are going to be complaining soon. The folly of the Damon signing and the renewal of Matsui point out why you should never give older players long term contracts.
Unfortunately, they are toxic assets.
actually, the outfield range seems to be above average this year, in stark contrast to years past. Swish, Gardner and Damon have all had UZR ratings above average in right, center and left, respectively.
I always wonder how accurate those stats are. Just from watching the games, I’d say that Gardner, Swisher, and Damon aren’t playing very good defense at all. I’ve seen way too many catchable balls drop already this year.
Seriously?
What’s wrong with the outfield? Damon and Swisher are both plus players either way, and Gardner is plus defensively (though how good he is is debatable).
How quickly we forget the days of Melky in LF, Damon in CF, and The Ghost of Bernie William’s Past in RF…
Or for even more defensive horror: Matsui-Williams-Sheffield.
This comment is ridiculously idiotic because it is fundamentally flawed. Johnny Damon is actually a very very good left fielder. Try again.
This comment
is ridiculously idiotic because it is fundamentally flawed. Johnny Damon is actually a very very good left fielder. Try again.is pretty much for the intelligent fans.Yup.
Exactly.
-Damon’s above average in LF
-Gardner’s at least above average in CF, and once he gains experience he should get better
-Swisher is slightly above average in RF.
http://www.fangraphs.com/stats.....tion=1B/OF
This is the best defensive outfield we’ve had in forever. If you’re talking about them as hitters, then you’re correct that it’s not exactly 2004.
I dunno how good or bad Swisher’s arm is, but Gardner’s and Damon’s are really bad. There will be a lot of 1st to 3rds and 2nd to home.
Just watching Joba’s last start with all those balls to left made me sad for Damon.
I do realize range is more important, but we have a reallly bad assortment of arms out there.
I don’t think gardy’s arm is that bad. It might not be a cannon, but he’s very accurate.
He threw a couple 4 hoppers to 2nd. Although it could just be that he is accidentally spiking it.
Someone here brought up a good point. I think he intentionally throws it in softly after a hit to Cf so the runner thinks he has a weak arm. He then uncorks one when it’s really needed and it messes with the runner. Kinda like how a good changeup can make a bad fastball look better.
He also gunned a guy out at home in the Orioles series. Does he have a cannon, no, but he has an avg arm.
I agree. He did throw out a couple of guys at home last year I believe.
I don’t think it’s going to matter as much as we think it will, but watching Damon during that game was just…ugh. I was cringing when he threw.
Unfortunately, they are toxic assets.
http://instantcrickets.com/
On top of that it’s just inaccurate.
Mets signed Willy Mo Pena….
The Michael Kay Show suggested we should have.
Eh. With Catalanotto, Edmonds, and Jenkins available, I’ll pass.
It had crossed my mind, but mainly for another DH option after X went down.
Picking up Nationals’ rejects usually isn’t the smartest thing to do.
Tim Redding, now Pena?
Minaya just heard the last name Pena and immediately signed him.
Just want to throw this out there; take away the Baltimore Oriole’s record against the other AL East teams, and they’re 46-43. Really shows how tough this division is.
Last year, I think the Blue Jays would have been no worse than the third best team in the NL. The Cubs and Phils were better, but that’s pretty much it. They would have crushed a non-DL league with that pitching.
Considering they went 68-93, that’s pretty indicative of the dominance of the AL East. Very contradicting.
Love the graphic. The pen should obviously have Mo closing, and Bruney as the primary 8th inning guy. We should have Mark Melancon, Damaso Marte, Phil Coke, Alf Aceves, David Robertson, and Jon Albadejo in the pen. Not a big believer in Veras and Edwar, least not compared to the others, (but Edwar does get K’s so if we have another slot he could come in).
Nick S. gets removed in the late innings because he is a really poor outfielder. Damon throws like my mother or yours. Letting a runner go from second to third on a medium fly to left is sad. Gardiner can run but his throwing is below average. That would be ok if the corner guys were good.
Matsui has no legs so he can only hit singles with his upper body. The Yanks really need a left fielder with some power and a serviceable DH.
I am sure the brain-trust knows it too but they are boxed in by big contracts.
Swish is actually the best RFer we’ve had in a long while.
Nick S. gets removed in the late innings because he is a really poor outfielder.
Sorry, not true. Swisher isn’t a poor defender, mMlky is just a really really good one.
*Melky.
Really? Swisher’s a poor outfielder? He has above average UZR/150 numbers in right and left.
Yes, Gardner doesn’t have a great arm but his range more than makes up for it. It’s true of all outfielders but even more so in center: range >>>> arm.
Damon may not hit for much power, but he’s still got good on base skills, decent speed, and very good LF defense. He’s worth it.
Matsui is in his decline phase, but he’s also in his last year. He’s still got good on base skills so that could augment his lack of power.
Frequently Swisher gets removed for a pinch runner late in games as they try and tack on a run, and since they have Melk, a very good defensive OF that they want to get into ballgames, they don’t lose anything defensively.
Can’t wait until Melancon shows up, then we can go over the 6th inning controversy.
I wonder how far people will go, I guess if they had a real good 7th inning guy then there would be something about the 6th or long reliever if a starter doesn’t get it done, that can still keep them in the game.
I can’t recommend this highly enough, Orel Hershiser was on the Michael Kay show today, and they got into Wang’s mechanics, what pitching coaches will do to try to fix a pitcher like him, and covered some other suggestions from guys like Coney and others.
http://stations.espn.go.com/st.....id=2693958
Very interesting listen, about 10 minutes long. Orel’s interview starts at 39 minutes.
Orel.
Heh.
/leaves
As this is the open thread, I’d like to take a minute from your regularly scheduled broadcasting and extend a gigantic middle finger to those few RAB readers who laughed off my trade proposal for Greinke.
You hear that? GIGANTIC MIDDLE FINGER.
What was your proposal?
I don’t remember the proposal, but I have a feeling the laughing of wasn’t because we didn’t think he was good.
Why has your idea been vindicated? Has he been traded somewhere for a similar package?
If your proposal was anytime recently, than people probably laughed cause Grienke would’t be available.
Put it back up… so I can laugh at it again.
Grienke is untouchable.
Not if you include the best pitcher AAA baseball has ever seen…Kei Igawa.
I think it was Grienke for IPK and Melky + a prospect. I would do it. We could even take Farnsworth off there hands.
Ohlendorf’s line tonight: 7IP 2H 1BB 5K 0ER
Really settled down after the 1st.
Damn, Brackman was cruising, too bad about the rain delay.
We don’t get to see pitches throw in A ball, but chances they wouldn’t let him go much more than 6. Love the K/BB
True, 8 K with 0 BB is a great thing to see. Baby steps.
I love how I accidentally saved over my sicknasty cy young winning RTTS pitcher one month away from free agency with some shitty rookie left fielder in the marlins system. Awesome Awesome.
I did that with a great season I was having in a franchise with my starter in Trenton. I was angry.
FUCK MY LIFE it happened again. Me = fail.
Hahah, I’m sorry I brought it up. Jinxed ya.
It must’ve happened before I ate dinner, haha. This time, though, I was at the trade deadline instead of just the beginning of June, but at least my starter is in Scranton now!
I just re-started a franchise–traded Nady, Damon, and Wang to Arizona for Haren, J-Up and someone else then signed Manny. I love video games.
You love having the forced trades option on.
I didn’t force it. I just kept proposing deal after deal and it finally worked.
Sort of like bargaining with prostitutes.
haha i somehow ended up trading for Evan Longoria and Joakim Soria after Mo and A-Rod retired before 2010 (A-rod?)… GM of the year!
That sucks, I used to be great at RTTS but I just can’t do it this year.
Unrelated, but Brackman pitched a pretty decent game tonight.
6 innings, 5 hits, 2 earned runs, 0 Walks, and 8 K’s
I’ll take it.
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....x_savafx_1
Nice night for Brackman
IP-6
H-5
R-2
ER-2
SO-8
BB-0
HR-1
8 strikeouts and zero walks is just terrific.
Matsui can’t run. Damon can’t throw. Neither one can hit for power like a corner outfield needs to. Left field and DH are major weaknesses. Don’t fall in love with Nick S. too quickly. He was acquired for depth not starting.
Did you see Damon in action last Friday?
Dude your shit’s weak you dont have any solid facts and you’re just reciting some bullshit you probably saw on tv. Damon’s a leadoff hitter who still hit 17 dingers. Actually fuck it, I’m done wasting my time banging my head against a wall.Think what you wanna think. The reality of the situation is you have no idea what you’re talking about.
From Michael Kay’s wikipedia…
“Michael resides in Paramus, New Jersey with his girlfriend Kim Jones.”
Is Michael Kay dipping his pen in the company ink?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.....oadcaster)
IETW(wikipedia)
You guys and your hip internet talk. What the hell does IETW mean and why cant you take 3 more seconds to type it out?
I ENJOYED THAT WIKIPEDIA!!!!!!!!!
That is too fuckin funny!!
I DON’T KNOW WHAT WE’RE YELLING ABOUT!!!
That has to be a joke, right?
I assume so. I googled that phrase and the first thing that came up was a debate on some message board about whether Kay is gay or not and no other evidence presented itself.
Sorry I’m late. Glad you all liked the little picture I threw together.
Matt G, that’s not the Manhattan nor the Brooklyn Bridge. That’s the GWB. I’m offended you would think I would consider using anything else, I’m better than that and you know it.
Kudos on that graph. It was awesome.
Heh, actually, I take that back, MattG…
That is the Manhattan Bridge and not the GWB.
The site I took it from in haste mislabeled the bridge.
http://surfnail.com/200710-new.....bridge.jpg
However, ironically this makes more sense (choosing the Manhattan bridge) since the Yankees played their first 20 years in NYC in Manhattan…
Honestly, not 100% sure, but I think I had Hughes in the package (this was pre-extension, obviously)
Your trade for Grienke: wasn’t going to happen and wasn’t smart
Including Hughes in your trade for Grienke: still not going to happen and still not smart
The fact that CMW is currently lost as a pitcher: doesn’t change the fact that your Grienke trade wasn’t going to happen and wasn’t smart
Should the Jets trade up to do what it takes to land Mark Sanchez. With the Jags now having landed Torry Holt and supposedly wanting to trade down , do you think the Jets should strike and secure Sanchez?
No.
No trade ups for the Jets at all.
It looks like Freeman is sliding, so I doubt the Jets take him at 17 anymore, but trading up for Sanchez isn’t happening. I think we take Heyward-Bey.
Jets and Mike Vick…marriage of convenience?
Jets and Mike Vick: not bloody likely.
(I’m all for it, but the team wouldn’t do it. Just out of the question.)
Because of the PR nightmare?
Eh, I don’t even think he’s a PR nightmare, I just think the Woody Johnson regime is too risk averse to the potential of the PR nightmare.
I bet Rex Ryan is advocating for it, and Woody and Tannenbaum are shooting it down left and right.
I just lost the game
Reggie, here’s my mock right this second off the top of my head:
1-DET Matt Stafford (still makes the most sense)
2-STL Jason Smith (they either take him or Monroe if he’s gone, OT is a 100% lock
3-KC Aaron Curry (no-brainer)
4-SEA Eugene Monroe (I think they take the safest pick, and finding a replacement for Walter Jones is a bigger hole than QB, WR, or DT
5-CLE Michael Crabtree (they’re moving Braylon Edwards locks them into Crabtree
yeah. top 5 looks locked for sure. i’d be shocked if Edwards isn’t moved. i’m a giants fan but i wouldn’t be shocked if crabtree didn’t have at least as good a season as edwards gave CLE in ’08.
6-CIN T Andre Smith (funny how he’s slid all the way down and then all the way back up
7-OAK WR Jeremy Maclin (tossup between him and Maybin)
8-JAX trades with DEN who takes QB Mark Sanchez (no, I don’t believe the smokescreen about liking Orton)
9-GB DE/OLB Aaron Maybin (best passrusher available)
10-SF DE/OLB Brian Orakpo
11-BUF T Michael Oher (a reach, but a necessity)
12-DEN trades with JAX who takes DT B.J. Raji (trade down and still get their man)
I read the Michael Lewis chapter on Michael Oher when it was printed in the nytimes. I was moved. I’m a Michael Oher fan.
I read the whole book on a train ride from dc to nyc a few years ago, its a great read. I don’t know which chapter they printed in the times, but Lewis goes into how LT basically changed the whole salary structure and game planning in the NFL. I’ve been waiting for this draft for a few years now to see if he was right. Some team could really be getting a steal if he slips to the middle of the 1st round.
13-WAS DE Tyson Jackson (they’d prefer a pure passrusher but need a DE regardless, Jackson >> Brown)
14-NO CB/S Malcolm Jenkins (I don’t buy the notion they go RB this early… not happening)
15-HOU DE/OLB Everette Brown (need a bookend for SuperMario)
16-SD LB Brian Cushing (shooting up boards)
17-NYJ WR Darrius Heyward-Bey
18-DEN LB Rey Maualuga (their LB’s are shot)
Brian K-K-Kushing and K-K-Klay Matthews can go to hell!!
19-TB LB Clay Matthews (Yup. They need to rebuild the defense, no Derrick Brooks is a big loss)
20-DET DE Robert Ayers (no real great picks for them at 20, they could trade down)
21-PHI WR Hakeem Nicks (less of a gamble than Harvin)
22-MIN WR Percy Harvin (Desperate need for playmakers)
23-NE RB Knowshon Moreno (not a need, but best player available by far)
24-ATL TE Brandon Pettigrew
I just get the feeling from watching Percy Harvin play that he’ll make a great pro. I think it was McShay who threw out a Reggie Bush comparison, but i don’t see aside from their height. Harvin is tough as nails, makes guys miss, and his speed is second only to Bey.
Actually, I think the Bush comp is perfectly accurate. Here’s the reason why: Harvin is an awesome slot receiver and punt/kick returner.
Reggie Bush sucks as a professional football player because they line him up at RB. If they moved him to slot receiver, he’d be an awesome football player. The problem is not whether or not Harvin profiles as a better pro than Bush, it’s that the Saints are misusing Bush. You can’t line him up 7 yards deep and have him move the pile, he was never ever that guy. He belongs in space catching the ball.
Okay. The comp looks clearer when explained in greater detail. Harvin though has the chance to be a very good deep threat. True … he hasn’t been utilized like that in FL, but the speed is there. The problem with Bush is that when he’s on the field as a slot receiver, its pretty clear that the play is gonna be designed to get him the ball as the 1st or 2nd option. That and injuries…
The problem with Bush is that when he’s on the field as a slot receiver, its pretty clear that the play is gonna be designed to get him the ball as the 1st or 2nd option. That and injuries…
Meh, no matter where Steve Smith lines up on the field, the play is designed to go to him as either the first or second option. No big whoop.
To make it less gimmicky, they should just give him uniform #15 or #85 and announce to the world that he’s a full-time WR and have him take practice reps with that squad all the time.
If he’s a fulltime slot WR, it’s no longer a gimmick. And you can still run screens and sweeps and reverses for him… makes it easier. Healthier, too.
25-MIA WR Kenny Britt (either WR or CB, and Britt is the best of both bunches)
26-BAL traded to AZ for ANQUAN BOLDIN?!?!?!?!?, AZ takes RB Chris “Beanie” Wells
27-IND DT Peria Jerry
28-BUF OLB/DE Larry English (don’t be shocked if they go OL-OL with both first rounders, though)
29-NYG traded to CLE for BRAYLON EDWARDS?!?!?!?!?, CLE takes RB Donald Brown
30-TEN DT Evander “Ziggy” Hood
31-AZ C/G Alex Mack
32-PIT CB Vontae Davis
Could you really see Parcells going for the raw WR? I guess. Maybe the top DB/CB would be a better fit when the ‘Fins have shown they could compete with the Pats (moss).
I too saw that baltimore rumor. That’d be a huge coup for Flacco. I’ve seen Nicks being slotted for Baltimore, but he’s no BOLDIN. Don’t know if the rumor will pick up steam, but its the first boldin rumor in a long while.
It’s not really Parcells style, that’s true, but Britt represents the BPA by quite some margin, there’s really no other player that fits their needs or their schemes besides Britt and one of the CB’s (Vontae Davis, Alphonso Smith, Darius Butler) and Britt is way less of a gamble than they are.
Thanks TSJC. It looks like this will be the first draft in a couple years that i’ll actually be able to watch at home , instead of trying to follow it from work.
I’ll take down your mock and see if you should add the title: Oracle to the RAB peons
I’ll try to do a 3 or 4 rounder either Thursday or Friday.
If you’re in NYC, you should just come on down. Anybody else going besides me and Mike Pop?
slightly OT, but can anyone ID the Cleveland batter CMW is facing in the ’09 portion of the MLB side-by-side mechanics comparison video?
There is no off topic in open threads.
except for apologizing for being off topic. that shit is off topic
WOO-WHOO!!!
JUST GOT TICKETS FOR YANKS/SOX THIS SATURDAY. WITH WANG OUT, WHOS PITCHING NOW ON SATURDAY, JOBA?
andy
kennedy.
Tim Reddings.
Haha, dont scare me like that.
I think its Joba since Andy got pushed back to tomorrow night (which should mean he’s pitching on Sunday per 4 day rest schedule).
I can’t believe I just read something that said the phrases “moose balls” and “wang out” so close together…
And it just hit me–Tommie will appreciate this–the thread title reminds me a whole lot of “Dogma”:
But…I’m a fucking demon…
… ha ha ha ha ha ha ha hahahahahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HOLY BARTENDER, I GET IT THAT’S A GREAT ONE!!!!!
Oh btw Joe (and whoever else), happy 420, hope you’re as blazed as I am right now
to appease the senses-
http://filmdrunk.uproxx.com/20.....a#comments
You call those “cheerleaders”? They look like schoolmarms.
Both vids were awesome. Redskins cheerleaders definitely some of my faves now. As mych as I hate the fins they have some amazing cheerleaders 2. That took me way to long to type
Yup.
Ironic that two of the most douchebaggy franchises (Redskins, Dolphins) have the two best cheerleader squads.
There is a tier system in the NFL Cheerleaderdom:
First tier: Redskins (the Yankees of cheerleader squads)
Second tier: Dolphins, Chargers cheerleaders (makes sense if you think about it)
Third tier: 49′ers, Cowboys, Saints, Falcons, Eagles, Ravens cheerleaders (seriously, the MD/VA/DC region is one of the most underappreciated nexuses of hot chicks, don’t sleep on the Ravens girls)
Fourth tier: Everyone else
Fifth tier: The Vikings Cheerleaders (view them at your own risk)
Whoops… meant to include Denver’s cheerleaders in the third tier. Sneaky good.
1: WAS
2: MIA, SD
3: SF, DAL, NO, ATL, PHI, DEN, BAL
4: everyone else (sorry, Jets, we’re starting from scratch but it’s not good enough yet)
5: MIN (fugly)