San Fran likes Nady

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Via MLBTR, Jon Heyman has a tiny little blurb about the Giants being interesting in bringing Xavier Nady back to the Bay Area at some point. It isn’t clear if Heyman means they’re interested in trading for the X-man during the season, or pursuing him when he’s a free agent next winter. Nady, who grew up about two hours south of San Francisco and starred at Cal-Berkeley, fits their need for a power bat that can fill in at first base and the corner outfield spots. Given his contract status, the Yanks shouldn’t expect much for Nady in a mid-season trade, and would probably maximize their return by offering him arbitration after the year and taking the compensation draft pick(s).

Meet (most of) RAB at Yankee Stadium today
Exhibition Game Thread: One Final Tune-Up
  • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

    Lincecum plz, kthxbai.

    • http://www.youtube.com/kevyyankees Kevin G.

      They could even take Igawa if they want him.

  • anonymous

    Giants could have a good year if they really like Nady they might want to add him this year.

  • mike g.

    i was shocked this year when they let so many guys go for draft picks, but its a smart strategy. Unless Damon, Nady and anyone else in a contract year step it up they are all going to be let go for draft picks.

    apparently cashman is smarter than he looks.

    i do think jonathan sanchez has ALOT of potential. he’s like their joba, great Strike out ratio, but can’t last the innings as a starter. total closer potential.

    • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

      i do think jonathan sanchez has ALOT of potential. he’s like their joba, great Strike out ratio, but can’t last the innings as a starter. total closer potential.

      What do you mean? He just had his first full season as a starter, give him time to get his innings up. There is no way Sanchez should be a closer unless he gets injured multiple seasons in a row.

      • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        Never mind the fact that Sanchez is going into his age 26 season with a career ERA+ of 85, WHIP of 1.504, 4.5 BB/9 and 9.1 K/9, while Joba is going into his age 23 season with a career ERA+ of 205, WHIP of 1.158, 3.3 BB/9 and 11.0 K/9. Other than that (and a few other differences that anyone can see with a quick check of their stats), they’re like twins.

        Also – mike g. is a B-Jobber, which is unfortunate for him. I don’t have the energy/motivation to get into that discussion again.

        • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

          If Sanchez can bring his walks down to Joba’s level, he’ll be fantastic. I’d expect that to happen this year, too, since he’s had a steady drop in BB/9 rates since ’06 (5.2-4.8-4.3). That 5.01 ERA last season is definitely bad but he had an FIP of 3.85 and a 4.53 tRA (his tRA+ was 111, same scale as ERA+). Dude was crazy unlucky last year–and SF’s defense must’ve sucked.

          • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

            I didn’t mean to slag Sanchez, I just think it’s silly to say “well Sanchez is just like Joba.” I mean, you could say that as you could make the Joba comparison about ANY young pitcher, couldn’t you? It’s not like Sanchez and Joba are so similar, Joba has had a LOT more success at the MLB level already, AND he’s 3 years younger than Sanchez. That was all I meant, it’s just a silly comparison.

            • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

              “I mean, you could just as easily say that as you could make the Joba comparison about ANY young pitcher, couldn’t you?”

              (fixed, my bad)

            • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

              It’s hard to compare them, you’re right. I’m just saying from a numbers stand point, they’re similar. If Sanchez can cut down on his walks, he could be a real good pitcher. The age thing isn’t “on his side,” but he’s not that old–he just had his first season as a full time starter so…

              • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                Ok, agree to disagree about the similarity between Joba and Sanchez. I like Sanchez, but I don’t think he’s in Joba’s class, nor do I think his numbers are really that similar (not potential… numbers… what he’s actually done in MLB so far). That’s not to say Sanchez isn’t good, I think he’ll have a nice career. It’s just tough to be in Joba’s class, not many pitchers make that cut.

                • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

                  No, he’s definitely not as good as Joba; that’s not what I’m trying to say so there’s no disagreement there. I still think Sanchez can be a very strong pitcher, though. His walk rate needs to get out of the 4’s first, though. He’ll never, ever be Joba but this could be a breakout year for him.

                  Numbers wise, Joba is clearly better. Perhaps I should’ve said “stylistically” they’re similar. They might walk guys at a higher rate than you like, but the way they strike guys out makes up for it.

                • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  Cool, agreed. (Internet handshake)

    • DCR

      I could be wrong but I am pretty sure the Yankees didn’t offer anyone arbitration this year. They didn’t get any compensation picks.

      • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        Right, there’s a basic lack of understanding of the arbitration/draft-pick-compensation process going on in that post. So that post was basically wrong on all 3 points (I happen to think Cashman looks quite smart).

  • Hobs

    Every part of that post was wrong…

    • Drew

      not that there’s anything wrong with that.

  • K.B.D.

    Nady for Bumgarner and Alderson. Get it done Cash.

  • Nathan

    There is no such thing as Cal-Berkeley. It is just Cal. I go to Cal. You can say the full term, University of California at Berkeley, California, or Cal. If Cal is too short Cal Bears also works.

  • manimal

    Hughes, Gardner and Nady for Lincecum. Do it cash.

  • thisisthedavid

    Can’t you argue just the opposite? Can’t his draft picks add to his trade value?

    • K.B.D.

      Those draft picks come with the necessity of offering him arbitration, which some teams might be reticent to do. And if he’s borderline Type A, with a down year, all he’d net you is a supplemental pick.

  • Bill O

    Our best bet is probably to keep Nady for the duration of the year. Sure, we do have Swisher, but Swisher is going to get plenty of playing time with or without Nady. I mean Matsui can hardly run, Damon needs occasional days off, Nady will probably sit against some righties, and in CF don’t be surprised to see us go with an OF of Swisher, Damon, Nady when we need some more offense.

    If we trade Nady we’re really not going to get much back in return. If the Giants are somehow in the playoff picture and want to overspend I’ll gladly send him there, but we likely won’t get a better trade offer than what we’ll get out of keeping Nady and taking the draft pick compensation especially if he has another good year and can get type A status.

  • steve (different one)

    i’ve noticed in the game threads that every time Nady comes up and doesn’t hit a HR, someone mentions Swisher.

    look, Spring Training is now officially over.

    Nady hit .311/.354/.508

    which looks EXACTLY like his “fluke” 2008 line of .305/.357/.510

    Swisher hit .231/.365/.371

    which looks disturbingly similar to his “fluke” 2008 line of .219/.332/.410

    for the 100th time, i believe Swisher will be the long term option, but MAYBE, just MAYBE we should just give Nady a month???

    i mean, Nady had a better 2008 and now a better Spring Training. i don’t believe in Spring Training numbers at all, but at what point would it just look kindof silly for Girardi to name Swisher the starter??

    Swisher has to win his job back, so we should probably stop bitching about it until he actually does that.

    • MattG

      Nady is a hacker. I prefer a player that works the count. And Swisher is a better outfielder.

      If Swisher is within 60-70 slugging points of Nady, maybe more, he is the better player.

      • steve (different one)

        If Swisher is within 60-70 slugging points of Nady, maybe more, he is the better player.

        right, but my point is he hasn’t been since 2007.

        shouldn’t we wait until Swisher actually does that??

        • MattG

          I would’ve given Swisher the starting job and waited until he didn’t do that. That is to say, I would ignore 2008, and give Swisher 2 months, rather than give Nady a month.

          I also would’ve had Nady playing 3B the last two weeks. I wonder why baseball managers believe their players are so incapable of flexibility.

          • steve (different one)

            I would’ve given Swisher the starting job and waited until he didn’t do that. That is to say, I would ignore 2008, and give Swisher 2 months, rather than give Nady a month

            but why should we ignore 2008? f Swisher had the better spring, then sure. but he didn’t. i don’t see it.

            I also would’ve had Nady playing 3B the last two weeks. I wonder why baseball managers believe their players are so incapable of flexibility.

            ok.

            • MattG

              “I don’t believe in Spring Training numbers at all, but at what point would it just look kindof silly for Girardi to name Swisher the starter?”

              This is the larger issue. I don’t think it ever look silly for a manager to completely ignore spring training. If two players are equally healthy, I think that you can toss spring training out the window and do whatever you want, and it is not silly.

              When Cashman landed Swisher, the Yankees were quick to say he would not play center field. When they landed Teixeira, they could’ve named Swisher the starter right then. I would not have thought it silly.

              In contrast, I do think it is silly to go with experience, the guy you know, seniority, and so forth. Nady is a good player, so I won’t go nuts over it, but Swisher was brought in to offset the patience lost in Abreu and Giambi. He can’t do much of that from the bench.

    • kSturnz

      *if he does that.