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		<title>By: MattG</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2009/05/another-hughes-to-the-pen-voice-emerges-11964/#comment-392335</link>
		<dc:creator>MattG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 01:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I said 30 starts next season. What about that implies &lt; 180 or caps?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I said 30 starts next season. What about that implies &lt; 180 or caps?</p>
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		<title>By: MattG</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2009/05/another-hughes-to-the-pen-voice-emerges-11964/#comment-392328</link>
		<dc:creator>MattG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 01:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You make some good points, but some of them stink:

Transition? Please. It&#039;s called a swing man, and they&#039;ve been in baseball forever...until now. Just look up Ramiro Mendoza, the last of his kind (maybe until Masterson).

And the Yankees would be unbelievably phenomenally lucky if they did not need a 6th starter in 10 of the next 121 games. First off, they need at least 5 to rest a healthy Joba, whom will not start more than 25. You really think all five of them will take every turn? THAT is optimistic to say the least.

But the math is a little off. He can only reasonably get 22 or so relief appearances with the 10 starts (incidentally, the starts do not need to be in a regular turn). So maybe he only gets up to 130 innings in the majors this regular season. Add that to the 19 he has in the minors, and the 10-15 he might pitch in the post-season, and your close. Add fall ball and you&#039;re there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You make some good points, but some of them stink:</p>
<p>Transition? Please. It&#8217;s called a swing man, and they&#8217;ve been in baseball forever&#8230;until now. Just look up Ramiro Mendoza, the last of his kind (maybe until Masterson).</p>
<p>And the Yankees would be unbelievably phenomenally lucky if they did not need a 6th starter in 10 of the next 121 games. First off, they need at least 5 to rest a healthy Joba, whom will not start more than 25. You really think all five of them will take every turn? THAT is optimistic to say the least.</p>
<p>But the math is a little off. He can only reasonably get 22 or so relief appearances with the 10 starts (incidentally, the starts do not need to be in a regular turn). So maybe he only gets up to 130 innings in the majors this regular season. Add that to the 19 he has in the minors, and the 10-15 he might pitch in the post-season, and your close. Add fall ball and you&#8217;re there.</p>
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		<title>By: Am I the only Kevin?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Am I the only Kevin?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 22:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hughes is option 1A in Cash&#039;s plan for #5 starter next year.  You need him ready to go 180+ with no caps if you are going to rely upon both him and Joba in the same rotation, especially considering you are losing Andy&#039;s innings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hughes is option 1A in Cash&#8217;s plan for #5 starter next year.  You need him ready to go 180+ with no caps if you are going to rely upon both him and Joba in the same rotation, especially considering you are losing Andy&#8217;s innings.</p>
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		<title>By: Am I the only Kevin?</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2009/05/another-hughes-to-the-pen-voice-emerges-11964/#comment-392105</link>
		<dc:creator>Am I the only Kevin?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 22:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, there is no way you can &lt;b&gt; ensure &lt;/b&gt; getting him 10 spot starts.  That only happens if CMW shits the bed or somebody goes down for an extended period of time.

Second, your math is optimistic to say the least.  10 starts (on regular rotation) is 50 games.  Using something like the Joba rules to provide rest days roughly proportional to usage, it would take you about 80-90 &lt;b&gt; additional &lt;/b&gt; games to get in 50 relief innings.  There just isn&#039;t that much season left (don&#039;t look now, but there are only 121 games remaining).

Third, you completely ignore the fact that he would need time off to transition from one role to the next, not to mention that yo-yoing him would make him less likely to be able to go 5 or more innings in a start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, there is no way you can <b> ensure </b> getting him 10 spot starts.  That only happens if CMW shits the bed or somebody goes down for an extended period of time.</p>
<p>Second, your math is optimistic to say the least.  10 starts (on regular rotation) is 50 games.  Using something like the Joba rules to provide rest days roughly proportional to usage, it would take you about 80-90 <b> additional </b> games to get in 50 relief innings.  There just isn&#8217;t that much season left (don&#8217;t look now, but there are only 121 games remaining).</p>
<p>Third, you completely ignore the fact that he would need time off to transition from one role to the next, not to mention that yo-yoing him would make him less likely to be able to go 5 or more innings in a start.</p>
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		<title>By: Am I the only Kevin?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Am I the only Kevin?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 21:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe I wasn&#039;t clear, but that was my whole point.  Hughes either needs to be in the MLB rotation, or the AAA rotation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I wasn&#8217;t clear, but that was my whole point.  Hughes either needs to be in the MLB rotation, or the AAA rotation.</p>
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		<title>By: MattG</title>
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		<dc:creator>MattG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 21:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hybrid. 10 starts and 55-60 innings for injury and to skip Joba. + 30 appearances, 50 innings in relief, + 36 innings so far, + 15 innings in the post-season = 155-160 innings. Good enough to get 30 starts in 2010.

He could be working on stuff in the minors too, but being that he&#039;d be the 7th or 8th best pitcher on the team, I prefer this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hybrid. 10 starts and 55-60 innings for injury and to skip Joba. + 30 appearances, 50 innings in relief, + 36 innings so far, + 15 innings in the post-season = 155-160 innings. Good enough to get 30 starts in 2010.</p>
<p>He could be working on stuff in the minors too, but being that he&#8217;d be the 7th or 8th best pitcher on the team, I prefer this.</p>
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		<title>By: MattG</title>
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		<dc:creator>MattG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 21:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why does Hughes need to get 180 innings this year? So he can pitch 210 next year?

He is not pitching 210 innings next year. No chance. There are rules other than Verducci&#039;s, and Verducci himself would not suggest he would be injury-free throwing 210 innings at 24, then 240 innings at 25, then 270 innings at 26, etc. 

It would be fine if Hughes tossed 150 during the regular season, and another 10-15 in the post-season. That would put him on target for 30 starts next year, and that&#039;s all you need.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does Hughes need to get 180 innings this year? So he can pitch 210 next year?</p>
<p>He is not pitching 210 innings next year. No chance. There are rules other than Verducci&#8217;s, and Verducci himself would not suggest he would be injury-free throwing 210 innings at 24, then 240 innings at 25, then 270 innings at 26, etc. </p>
<p>It would be fine if Hughes tossed 150 during the regular season, and another 10-15 in the post-season. That would put him on target for 30 starts next year, and that&#8217;s all you need.</p>
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		<title>By: godfather</title>
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		<dc:creator>godfather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 21:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>all the garbage about specializing with young pitchers is an asspain; you need arms in middle innings and a kid like hughes is the available one, you use it; or at least you used to, when the game was played with the team&#039;s fortunes in mind, and not &quot;plans&quot; for any individual; pitchers used to earn their way to starting jobs by pitching whenever and wherever needed; this &quot;stretching out&quot; and other nonsense has become vogue because expansion, agents, etc., have watered down the game; use it or lose it, and i tend to think that three innings from hughes up here is worth six down on the farm, a silly notion, i know; using a military metaphor, were a lieutenant to order a private to take a pillbox, he might get the answer, &quot;it&#039;s really not my turn yet...i haven&#039;t been getting the proper rest...&quot;; what if pitchers were pushed? what might we get? ryans and seavers and spahns...it takes balls to throw balls, and the time has to come when kids are extended in the frequency they throw with, not pampered...use it or lose it...isn&#039;t that what john holmes always said?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>all the garbage about specializing with young pitchers is an asspain; you need arms in middle innings and a kid like hughes is the available one, you use it; or at least you used to, when the game was played with the team&#8217;s fortunes in mind, and not &#8220;plans&#8221; for any individual; pitchers used to earn their way to starting jobs by pitching whenever and wherever needed; this &#8220;stretching out&#8221; and other nonsense has become vogue because expansion, agents, etc., have watered down the game; use it or lose it, and i tend to think that three innings from hughes up here is worth six down on the farm, a silly notion, i know; using a military metaphor, were a lieutenant to order a private to take a pillbox, he might get the answer, &#8220;it&#8217;s really not my turn yet&#8230;i haven&#8217;t been getting the proper rest&#8230;&#8221;; what if pitchers were pushed? what might we get? ryans and seavers and spahns&#8230;it takes balls to throw balls, and the time has to come when kids are extended in the frequency they throw with, not pampered&#8230;use it or lose it&#8230;isn&#8217;t that what john holmes always said?</p>
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		<title>By: carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 21:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree. It all depends on what he need to learn and the best place to learn it. He needs to learn a third pitch, from everything I have read on this board. The bullpen is probably a hard place to learn it. No one will have time for him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. It all depends on what he need to learn and the best place to learn it. He needs to learn a third pitch, from everything I have read on this board. The bullpen is probably a hard place to learn it. No one will have time for him.</p>
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		<title>By: kSturnz</title>
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		<dc:creator>kSturnz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 21:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>idk, cards, twins, brewer fans can probably be very impatient at times, but the leagues are not as competitive</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>idk, cards, twins, brewer fans can probably be very impatient at times, but the leagues are not as competitive</p>
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