Comments on: Blaming the umpire and not blaming the umpire http://riveraveblues.com/2009/05/blaming-the-umpire-and-not-blaming-the-umpire-12471/ A New York Yankees Blog Mon, 28 May 2012 06:51:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: JP http://riveraveblues.com/2009/05/blaming-the-umpire-and-not-blaming-the-umpire-12471/#comment-409032 JP Mon, 01 Jun 2009 16:14:36 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=12471#comment-409032 I know the Lemming-Manager-Pitching-Usage-Algorithm states that you don't bring Rivera in in the 9th inning of a tied game on the road. I say you do. You try to win the game. If Wang is done, you bring in your best pitcher to keep the game tied, and hope to win it next inning. Game tied, bottom 9? One run loses it. Lots of pressure on the pitcher. If Mo came in and held the game, then they score in the top of the 10th, you potentially have to use Coke or someone else to finish the game. But with a 1-run lead, it's a bit easier on the pitcher. And if he screws up, you can potentially still have a tied game. If they don't score in the top of the 10th, well then you have to use Coke in a tied game, but at least you gave it a shot. FWIW, I think Girardi used Posada in this "aggressive" mode, bringing him in in the 8th as a pinch hitter. He risked not getting him to the plate in the 9th by bringing him in in the 8th; he could have "saved" him as a 9th inning pinch hitter. As it was, of course, Jorge batted in the 9th. This game showed why a player like Gardner has a tough time keeping a starting job, on any team. For a guy like Gardner to contribute, he <em>has</em> to do the little things, like steal the base to stay out of the DP, and he has to catch the ball in the OF. Jeter can get by being a crappy SS because he's a consistently good offensive player who hits a few homers. I don't know whether it's good or bad, but this loss, like lots of the recent losses, seems like they were very close to winning and "should" have won. Certainly a turnaround from April... I know the Lemming-Manager-Pitching-Usage-Algorithm states that you don’t bring Rivera in in the 9th inning of a tied game on the road.

I say you do. You try to win the game. If Wang is done, you bring in your best pitcher to keep the game tied, and hope to win it next inning.

Game tied, bottom 9? One run loses it. Lots of pressure on the pitcher. If Mo came in and held the game, then they score in the top of the 10th, you potentially have to use Coke or someone else to finish the game. But with a 1-run lead, it’s a bit easier on the pitcher. And if he screws up, you can potentially still have a tied game.

If they don’t score in the top of the 10th, well then you have to use Coke in a tied game, but at least you gave it a shot.

FWIW, I think Girardi used Posada in this “aggressive” mode, bringing him in in the 8th as a pinch hitter. He risked not getting him to the plate in the 9th by bringing him in in the 8th; he could have “saved” him as a 9th inning pinch hitter. As it was, of course, Jorge batted in the 9th.

This game showed why a player like Gardner has a tough time keeping a starting job, on any team. For a guy like Gardner to contribute, he has to do the little things, like steal the base to stay out of the DP, and he has to catch the ball in the OF. Jeter can get by being a crappy SS because he’s a consistently good offensive player who hits a few homers.

I don’t know whether it’s good or bad, but this loss, like lots of the recent losses, seems like they were very close to winning and “should” have won.

Certainly a turnaround from April…

]]> By: Bo http://riveraveblues.com/2009/05/blaming-the-umpire-and-not-blaming-the-umpire-12471/#comment-408943 Bo Mon, 01 Jun 2009 15:01:00 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=12471#comment-408943 How did he straighten out Olsen? How did he straighten out Olsen?

]]> By: AlexNYC http://riveraveblues.com/2009/05/blaming-the-umpire-and-not-blaming-the-umpire-12471/#comment-408673 AlexNYC Mon, 01 Jun 2009 04:59:15 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=12471#comment-408673 He's a rookie, he'll learn. I just hope Joe G. straightens him out like he used to do with Scott Olsen (now with Nationals) back then in the Marlins. He’s a rookie, he’ll learn. I just hope Joe G. straightens him out like he used to do with Scott Olsen (now with Nationals) back then in the Marlins.

]]> By: Matt M. http://riveraveblues.com/2009/05/blaming-the-umpire-and-not-blaming-the-umpire-12471/#comment-408663 Matt M. Mon, 01 Jun 2009 04:33:18 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=12471#comment-408663 who does coke think he is? a year ago he was knows as the 'other' Phil in the organization and putting up pedestrian #s for a guy old for his league ...dont turn into an ingrate who does coke think he is? a year ago he was knows as the ‘other’ Phil in the organization and putting up pedestrian #s for a guy old for his league

…dont turn into an ingrate

]]> By: Matt H http://riveraveblues.com/2009/05/blaming-the-umpire-and-not-blaming-the-umpire-12471/#comment-408629 Matt H Mon, 01 Jun 2009 03:38:10 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=12471#comment-408629 I think the turning point came when Gardner misplayed that ball in center. It lead to that extra run, thus effectively ending Hughes' day. I think the turning point came when Gardner misplayed that ball in center.

It lead to that extra run, thus effectively ending Hughes’ day.

]]> By: bonestock94 http://riveraveblues.com/2009/05/blaming-the-umpire-and-not-blaming-the-umpire-12471/#comment-408624 bonestock94 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 03:31:58 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=12471#comment-408624 My heart sank when I saw Coke on the mound. The guy has had his moments but I'm just not comfortable having him pitch in such a situation, only Mo and Aceves(if you wanna count Wang him too). The fact that he blames the loss on anyone but himself is laughable. Bad/close calls are the nature of the game. My heart sank when I saw Coke on the mound. The guy has had his moments but I’m just not comfortable having him pitch in such a situation, only Mo and Aceves(if you wanna count Wang him too). The fact that he blames the loss on anyone but himself is laughable. Bad/close calls are the nature of the game.

]]> By: AlexNYC http://riveraveblues.com/2009/05/blaming-the-umpire-and-not-blaming-the-umpire-12471/#comment-408619 AlexNYC Mon, 01 Jun 2009 03:20:35 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=12471#comment-408619 Did Coke got too much rest or was he very spotty today? I mean he hasn't pitched in a while until today. Did Coke got too much rest or was he very spotty today? I mean he hasn’t pitched in a while until today.

]]> By: John http://riveraveblues.com/2009/05/blaming-the-umpire-and-not-blaming-the-umpire-12471/#comment-408615 John Mon, 01 Jun 2009 03:16:27 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=12471#comment-408615 *.171 hitter...even worse! *.171 hitter…even worse!

]]> By: John http://riveraveblues.com/2009/05/blaming-the-umpire-and-not-blaming-the-umpire-12471/#comment-408614 John Mon, 01 Jun 2009 03:15:37 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=12471#comment-408614 On second thought, I could understand why the first pitch was called a ball as it was borderline...and why was it classified as a curveball? Oh well On second thought, I could understand why the first pitch was called a ball as it was borderline…and why was it classified as a curveball? Oh well

]]> By: John http://riveraveblues.com/2009/05/blaming-the-umpire-and-not-blaming-the-umpire-12471/#comment-408609 John Mon, 01 Jun 2009 03:12:02 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=12471#comment-408609 Besides, according to Gameday, that 3-2 pitch was a ball. However, the first pitch of the AB was a strike according to Gameday but was called a ball. http://i43.tinypic.com/swshmb.jpg This does not excuse what Coke did, as Ben noted he shouldn't even have gotten to 3 balls against a .191 hitter. I like what Gardy did, he took blame for the loss, blaming it on his defensive mishap and not stealing a base. You are supposed to own up to your mistakes and Coke didn't. Besides, according to Gameday, that 3-2 pitch was a ball. However, the first pitch of the AB was a strike according to Gameday but was called a ball.

http://i43.tinypic.com/swshmb.jpg

This does not excuse what Coke did, as Ben noted he shouldn’t even have gotten to 3 balls against a .191 hitter. I like what Gardy did, he took blame for the loss, blaming it on his defensive mishap and not stealing a base. You are supposed to own up to your mistakes and Coke didn’t.

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