May
09
Game 30 Spillover Thread
ByRon: Boy, that escalated quickly… I mean, that really got out of hand fast.
Champ: It jumped up a notch.
Ron: It did, didn’t it?
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Fuck the heck? Edwar still?
Looks like we’ve got ourselves a mis-managed beat down.
Edwar will be in there tomorrow as well.
Did Kay actually bring up a good point about Edwar?
Did Girardi forget that the Mexican Gangster is on the active roster?
AS well as Tomko, we have two long men and there using neither
How does that 2nd inning happen? Seriously.
Hughes really needs to work on a backup plan for when his off-speed stuff isn’t working. Then again, you figure most games he’ll have either the curve or the change, and in the good games, maybe both.
Hughes couldn’t put people away, the Yankees didn’t play any defense.
It reminded me of 2008 a lot in that sense, except in 2008 he didn’t have the velocity he does now, nor did he throw the cutter. I thought the major reason he added the cutter was to induce grounders/pop-ups on hitter’s counts.
He did induce three early ground balls. One to either side of Cano that he couldn’t get to, then a hard one that Tex couldn’t get a handle on. Not great pitches, one was hit hard, but with a little luck he’s out of the inning without much damage.
You also figure most games, we don’t see multiple horrid defensive plays by the best defensive players on our team and Hughes probably gives up 2 or 3 there at the most instead of 8, goes back to the bench, gets calmed down by Girardi, Eiland, and some of the pitchers, and continues to pitch.
This was a horrid outing for Phil, but it was thiiiiisclose to being a rather benign average run of the mill outing.
He did a much, much better job of getting out of jams against the Sox earlier in the week.
Exactly. He was a little less sharp and the defense was much less effective, and boom, a semi-rough 2-3 run inning becomes a 8-run fuckfest.
Agree and in the post before I mean start throwing curves in the dirt. The homer from Huff was a good hit on a good pitch. People need to calm down every pitcher in the Majors has bad outtings but it wasnt entirely his fault.
earlier i said eiland was to blame, my rationale towards is that Hughes had some of the same problems against the sox, couldnt his problems been fixed during the week, when Hughes threw 3 way up and out against Huff in the first, it was clearly mechanical.
when its a mechanical problem it should be up to the pitching coach to address it, thats why he is there.
its not just hughes, it goes without saying alot of our pitchers have consecutive bad outings, why not fix at best the mechanical problems. clearly blame is due at the pitcher, but someone has to help our pitchers through the rough patches.
By your rationale, virtually every pitching coach in the majors is a bad pitching coach, because every team has had pitchers have two bad starts in a row.
I’m not saying you’re wrong in saying that Eiland is to blame. I’m saying, neither of us really know if Eiland is to blame or not, because there’s just so many variables in play here.
Absent something concrete you see he is doing wrong, laymen like us calling for Eiland’s head is just a guess that it’s the problem, nothing more.
the talent is there, someone just needs to teach the fine art of pitching in the MLB, in my opinion thats the pitching coach, and whos to say he doesnt try, but i wish we saw results- ala hughes doesn’t give up 8.
Fine.
Just know that your opinion is just a guess. It’s nothing more than a guess.
yes ur right about it being a guess, but no one is seeing good pitching, except cc and joba on a few occasions. but non the less your right.
any chance you think eiland gets fired before the year is over? if this progress this way.
No clue. Your guess is as good as mine.
Brick killed a guy.
Man. What a horrible day for my nephew Eli.
First he loses an entire slice of his manhood while everyone stands and watches and shouts MAZEL TOV, and now this!
Damn, just when my ‘Mo’s done/B-Jobber’ question was getting good.
Let’s pick it up here. July 1, Mo is done and we have 6 solid starters. Who’s your closer?
Bruney or Marte. Maybe Coke.
So you’re sending Hughes to AAA, even though he’s 3-1 with a 2.94 ERA? We don’t need him, Wang and Joba are pitching great. And we have no closer.
Yes. I’d still take my chances with Bruney, Marte, or Coke and let ALL THREE OF THEM fail before I convert Hughes.
We also have to think about 2010 and his innings goal. Hughes is what keeps us from having to sign another starter for the 5th hole when Pettitte doesn’t come back (or if Wang doesn’t recover).
I’d rather be looking for a new closer this offseason than a new starter.
Who’s converting Hughes? We have 6 good starters and no closer, I never mentioned making Hughes the closer.
Umm… your question was: Mo is done and we have 6 solid starters. Who’s your closer?”
My answer is: Not Phil Hughes.
Anyone thinking Phil Hughes should close should get there brains check to make sure they arent mentally ill.
I have a feeling we agree on that… but for two drastically different reasons.
what are the reasons?
I’m not going to make Phil Hughes the closer because I’m more interested in him being a starter this year and next year.
It has nothing to do with any doubts that I would have about his ability to close, because I’m sure he’d be a damn fine closer if we were to use him there, because he’s a good pitcher.
What are your reasons?
I totally agree. If you see him and Joba as fron of the rotation starters with Burnett and Sabathia on the team there is no way you make him a closer with four starters potentially being front of the rotation guys.
Oh, okay.
They way you were saying that, I was reading context in that wasn’t there. I thought you were saying making Hughes a closer was insane because he didn’t have the “bull in a china shop” mentality.
My deepest apologies for misreading your comment as being one of stupidity.
lol its alright
Strasburg.
I like the way you think, Cowboy.
Coke. But I doubt Mo is done for this year anyways.
So Coke is the BEST guy we have? You put your best guy in the back of the bullpen, so Phil Coke is the best we have?
Phil Coke is going to come in the 8th of a 1 run game, 1 out, bases loaded and get you home with a win?
In all of our bullpen Coke is one of the best. If Mo is done its a toss up between him and Bruney. We may just get some random guy form the FA market or a trade but I’d rather have either Coke or Bruney be our closer. Anyways I will never want anyone of our 6 starters to be our closer.
So you send one of the 6 to AAA then, right?
Which one?
Hughes.
I’d say Hughes. If he’s doing great I’d still want him down for innings. Maybe towards the end of the season we can give him a few starts again but if all 6 are great then I feel that he should be sent down. Next year we’ll have a spot or two open for him so he’ll have a spot there. And if Bruney/Coke do not work out then we’ll try with some other bullpen pitchers like Robertson, Melancon and Marte. Then if that fails maybe a trade/one year rental could happen. But in the scenario that we HAVE to use one of our 6 starters then it would be Joba.
But in the scenario that we HAVE to use one of our 6 starters then it would be Joba.
And in that scenario, it still can’t be Joba, because
2010-2020 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2009
TSJC, nobody can plan that far ahead, especially when it comes to pitchers.
And teams that are playing for tomorrow are usually last place teams.
Fine.
Joba being able to throw 200 innings in 2010, 2011, and 2012 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not having a settled, dominant closer for 2009
Joba starting going forward is more important than our closer for this one year. It just is. I’d rather overpay to trade for someone else’s bullpen arm this summer than move Joba, because we can’t keep yo-yoing him and fucking with his arm and reducing his innings. He is our future ace. He may well be our ace right now. You don’t move aces to the bullpen, no matter WHAT the immediate pressing need is. You just don’t.
You just don’t do it.
Much better argument.
I’ll throw another log on YOUR fire. The closer’s role is overrated, anyway. The overwhelming majority (94%?) of 9th inning leads get held no matter who the closer is. You can live w/Bruney.
Exactly.
In order:
Bruney
Hot hand du jour not named Veras/Edwar
Someone via trade
I could live w/that, but don’t think its optimal. That doesn;t give us our best chance to win this year.
BTW-Now I need to know which of the 6 you send down. They’re all pitching well.
I’m sure the Yankees have zero qualms about sending Hughes down, although what he needs to learn is how to get ML rather than MiL hitters out.
I am not sure it gets to the point of converting a starter, I’d imagine that either Bruney/Marte is serviceable in that role, Robertson/Melancon seizes it, or they’re able to swing a trade.
“. . although what he needs to learn is how to get ML rather than MiL hitters out.”
Agree 100%, and felt the same way about IPK last year.
I could live w/Bruney or Marte, but we’d be lucky to break 90 wins.
Really? Bruney/Marte wouldn’t be nearly as good as Mo by some of the more advanced sabermetric rate stats, but I can’t imagine them blowing more than 3-4 games than Mo would have blown.
I guess it depends on which Bruney were talking about. The inconsistent guy who would walk the bases loaded, or the lights out guy we saw recently. I’m assuming he’s a little of both.
But in any case, were not too far apart. If the Yanks are a 95 win team with a typically great Mo, then losing 3-4 games with Bruney puts them close to 90 wins.
If Mo is done this team is done.
closer by committee
Tried 1,000,000 times, never worked.
Just putting an old shitty closer in that role, just to have a “closer” also does not work and I don’t think Joba should be moved there in a panic situation. So the Yanks would not have much on an option
I don’t know if its a panic situation, although Mo being done is a huge issue. But in the scenario you have 6 good starters, so you have the luxury of making a well thought out decision.
I know this a hypothetical, but any talk of Mo being done is EXTREMELY premature.
I agree, even if he’s topping out at 91-92 with the cutter, that’s still a plus offering. Most MLB pitcher’s cutters are in the high 80′s.
He just can’t throw it exclusively anymore at that speed. He would need to frame it between 2 seamers and 4 seamers to keep hitters honest.
Perish the tought of Mo being done this year – And I think he will be fine. BUT . . if it came to pass I’d have to go with Joba even though I prefer to see him as a starter long term. I just don’t see anyone else.
Bingo, my sentiments exactly. I see Joba 100% as a starter, but I’m not so locked in ideologically that I’m going to ignore reality. You can’t get through the AL East this year without a closer.
I see Joba 100% as a starter, but I’m not so locked in ideologically that I’m going to ignore reality.
The reality is, every time you pull him out of the rotation and make him a reliever, you set back the timetable on him being a legit starter.
Keeping Joba on track to be a legit starting pitcher throwing 200+ innings in the AL East for the next 10 years is more important than not having a good closer for 2009.
Joba’s progress going forward is still more important than any short-term hole in the bullpen for this year.
Your Scenario-We finish 80-82, Girardi and Cashman are fired and replaced with GM Lou Pinella and Mgr Dusty Baker. Joba becomes the closer anyway once Lou takes over, since he doesn’t want to get canned. Baker blows out his arm by the end of May 2010.
On the plus side, its much easier to get seats at the stadium.
OMM, don’t scare me with nightmare scenarios like that.
I feel confident that whomever we replace Girardi with, if we were to fire Girardi, that new manager would also want Joba starting and not closing. Ditto any GM who replaces Cashman.
‘OMM’
Very nice, I’m stealing that.
I give because I love.
If you read Priors lines when Baker was manager he absolutley murdered him and should be arrested.
Well it depends how our bullpen is doing. I mean if Coke, or Melancon or someone is shutting down opposing clubs you use them. If not dare I say Joba?
Also let me add all the other starting pitchers have to be dealing, and Joba would have to be struggling with the starting role.
If that was the case, I’d put him in Scranton to get him the length he needs to succeed. Joba succeeding in the long-term is more important than winning in ’09.
True, there would have to be a ton of things go wrong, and right for me to actually hypothetically put him in the bullpen.
And in reality, if all the stuff goes wrong that would need to go wrong for me to put Joba in the pen, the Yanks aren’t making the playoffs anyway. Just leave him in the rotation.
That is a good point. If that were to happen though who is your closer of the future? And no I am not suggesting Joba.
Still Melancon.
He was our best, most dominant relief pitching prospect before his bad cup of coffee this month. Those handful of mediocre innings haven’t changed that.
Who knows. Worry about it when the time comes. Chances are it’ll be someone we’re not at all considering, like Neal Musser or some shit.
For the immediate future: Bruney. For the long term future: Melancon.
Chances are it’ll be someone we’re not at all considering, like Neal Musser or some shit.
or Chris Garcia or WLDR
Good points all around, this is exactly what the B-Jobbers have to see.
The Yanks are running a business, they want to keep up the appearance that they’re ‘all-in’ with what they’re charging for seats. Plus, they have a network to run, and low ratings means low ad revs.
If the Yanks run their team based on the “appearance” that they are “all in,” rather than truly coming up with a plan, and sticking to it, then I’m afraid it could be a long time before we see another world series ring. I dont think the Yanks run the team like that though, so we should be fine.
The Yanks are running a business, they want to keep up the appearance that they’re ‘all-in’ with what they’re charging for seats. Plus, they have a network to run, and low ratings means low ad revs.
Which means that we’d probably just trade Zach McAllister, Juan Miranda, Damon Sublett and Arodys Vizcaino for Huston Street and Ryan Spillborghs and be done with it.
Melvin.
1) Bruney
2) Coke
3) D-Rob
4) Melancon (seriously)
5) Hughes (since he’d likely be pitching the worst of the 6 starters)
6) scour the trade market for someone willing to salarydump a reliever
7) See who else in the minors is worthy of a shot
Sorry, left Marte off the list. Make him #3 and bump everyone else down a peg.
Bruney, Coke, Marte, Robertson, and Melancon ALL get shots at the closer role before I convert Hughes.
So you send Hughes to AAA? We have 6 solid starters in my scenario.
Yes.
Internal reliever or trade. The only way I consider a conversion of Hughes or Joba is if the team was running away with the division, thus a lock for the playoffs & the closer is the one missing link, essentially Wainwright for St Louis a few years ago.
Well, AW was a closer the whole year.
And Carlos Beltran is still waiting for a fastball.
Can someone kidnap Edwar? Please?
Edwar is a 3-outcome pitcher.
Walk, Strikeout, Home run.
(golf clap)
hughes was unlucky tonight but he really fucked up my fantasy team
tonight
So Markakis doesn’t put a good swing and it still goes out, same as Huff earlier? Ick.
RALLY CAPS ON!
I know writing in all CAPS is against RAB commenting guidlines, but maybe when the Yanks need “rally caps” to get it going, everyone should write in CAPS. I dont know, maybe that is stupid.
Damn. JoJo, Rev Run’s son, arrested for possession of Marijuana last night. Idiot.
He wasn’t arrested for possession per say, he was arrested for running and throwing punches! WTF!
edwar i snot very good and he gives up so many HR’s they need to cut ties the experiment is over . he strikes out guys when it does not matter…
bye bye
edwar i snot….that’s an enjoyable typo right there…
he strikes out guys when it does not matter…
last time i checked a strike out with runners on base counted the same as a strike out with no runners on base…
Meh. So much for building on a quality game yesterday.
F-ing hughes!
This season has been so frustrating against such high initial hopes.
Is that gossage?
I think Righetti
Or perhaps Sparky Lyle!
Wonder what Francesa and the rest of the B-Jobbers will say if Joba pitches 7 strong tomorrow to give us the series win, after Phil’s performance tonight.
From your lips to God’s ears. I hope it happens and I can’t wait to hear Francesa comment.
yanks will win this thing, there scorin 6 runs this inning
Let’s go Yankees – Clap, Clap – Clap, Clap, Clap!!!
Eaton’s just asking for it. Make him pay.
This is the Adam Eaton we’ve all been expecting.
U da man Eaton!
Can we have a serious rally this inning? Like, put up a 20 spot or something?
Ayoo, there is a run. C’mon Robby, put one in the gap (or stands), and keep the circle moving.
only a sac fly?
There’s always next inning
Swish should have waited to see of he could get a better pitch or walk
Wow. That was an impressive way to not have a good inning off bases juiced no outs.
Robbie, it’s not 2008 anymore.
ah robbie youre killing me
cano needs to get sent down,just a non chalant player
That wasn’t what I expected…
That was awful… Second DP of the game. He has really been struggling lately. Rolling over on everything and not going the opposite way.
Is it bad that I’m just pleased they scored a run with bases loaded and 0 out?
Why is aceves not in this game?
WTF where is Aceves???
Being his Gangster self. He comes in when he damn well pleases.
In the bullpen, no I’m just kidding I think Joe just really wants to break Edwars arm. In this scenario I seriously do not know why Aceves, Tomko, or even Veras isn’t out there right now.
My explanation for Tomko is that he hasn’t been stretched out. He’s a 1 or 2 inning guy this year. The other dudes, no idea.
Hes on the run from the Po Po
cano is spanish for clutch. what is a uglier site canos batting avg with RISP or wangs ERA?
bases loaded no outs against statistically one of the worst pitchers over the last 3 years and they eke out 1 run.
give me a break
The Yankees are making Adam Eaton look like Zack Grenkie, its so frustrating.
Greinke
Either Aceves is injured and Tomko’s not here, or Joe Girardi’s job needs to seriously be questioned. This makes zero sense.
It has to be either Aceves or one of the other starters is hurt
cano has a head problem. he is good for an opposite field hit with no one on base but in clutch situations he always tries to be a hero and almost never is the hero.
i mean he has been playing for the yanks for 4 years when is he going to learn???
where the fuck are you running to tex? the ball was to your right.
Luke Scott is the luckiest man in town tonight. 3 seeing eye ground ball singles.
Bad game, all around.
Bad pitching + horrendous defense + no hitting. Weeeeeee. I’m drunk AND my wife is pissed at me (so no pootie tang
).
IETC!!
What does IETC mean?
Sorry for being retarded, but I see it so often on here I thought I should ask…
i enjoyed that comment
Thank you Drew
Oh poop.
Edwar’s taking one for the team.
I just got back from Star Trek. (Awesome)
- WTF happened with Hughes???
Horrid 2nd inning. 4 bad defensive misplays prolonged it, and he kept tossing meatballs and couldn’t finish anyone off.
Hughes wasn’t pitching well and the defense was bad for that inning.
it was bad, just put it that way,
lots of bad D led to lots of bad runs.
Awesome.
I guess Girardi wants to make sure he gets his money’s worth out of Edwar.
Ugh!!!! Another home run – Hughes could have done that. Someone said earlier – Edwar = Strikeout, Walk or Homerun – Never anything else.
as others have said this guy is an arsonist.. hr, walk, or K..
another game of over 10 runs allowed.. the 2nd worst pitching staff in baseball, are you embarrassed??????????????
oh shit this is getting ugly
Aaaaaaaalrighty, then.
Edwar, you can go ahead and start browsing the Scranton Zagat guide for restaurants.
You’ve been shitty + you have an option = bye.
Robertson back in?
he’s been riding the Chris Britton Memorial shuttle to scranton lately. reallllllyyyy hope he doesn’t turn into britton pt. II. d-rob’s too talented for that to happen.
Good Mo, yes.
I hear Scrantonicity has a local gig on Tuesday. Hopefully Edwar will be there by then to check them out.
Make sure you clap for Scrantonicty 2, not Scrantonicity, which I’m no longer a part of.
/Kevin’d
Edwar does not dissapoint.
christ, Edwar puts more objects into orbit than NASA …
edwar with the 6 era, cut the mother f-cker already. he has no chance of getting it togethere. he gives up way to many hr’s to be a effective pitcher…
He has been effective before.
Edwar has averaged 1.76 homers per nine innings in his time with the Yanks
I’m done now though…
Tomko has a pitch limit of 45.
Can we bring in Aceves for the rest of the game?
Okay. Seriously what does cashman/girardi see in veras-edwar-albie???
They see pitchers that are better than the other options out there.
it’s that bad, huh. so i guess no postseason this year.
I’d take my chances with Robertson and Melancon than those three…
the bullpen is a MESS! I don’t see anyone in the minors helping much either. Cashman has to look elsewhere but teams aren’t trading their guys this early to help the yankees…
Seriously let’s let Swisher pitch again.
cant be worse
And he’ll probably be better.
Guys, don’t worry. Edwar was just doing his best imitation of Brett Myers, Jamie Moyer, and Joe Blanton. He’s gonna show it to them when the Phillies roll into the Bronx and it’ll be super awesome.
Another blowout.
This team is becoming comical.
Hopefully they can finish over .500 this year. I think that would be a nice accomplishment.
I will bet you any amount of money they finish over .500 this season.
Mike
That was more of a tongue in cheek remark then something I believe.
I will however wager anyone that this team misses the playoffs.
I’d be happy to eat crow, but I just don’t see that happening.
But our starting RF is injured, our starting catcher is injured, our backup catcher is injured and our number 2 start is injured. They’re not as bad as you think.
Oh and 2 of our bullpen pitchers are injured.
In that case, I’ll bet you a cheapo Baseball Reference sponsorship ($10 per year), that they do.
I will bet you any amount of money they finish 20+ games over .500 this season.
I can see it now, the Yankees finish at 90-71 and never make up the rain out with the Angels….
Heh.
I know this game sucks, but are you guys coming around on the Melkman?
i’m pleasantly surprised but i’m not holding my breath that he’ll keep it up.
+53
ICWUDT
Last’s night’s game sure turned this season around in a hurry!
Orioles hitters are scary good. That’s the bottom line.
But their pitching is scary bad. We should be putting up run totals equal to theirs.
The Yankees are mediocre at best. That’s the bottom line.
/oaktag
Fixed that for you, buddy.
Nady, Chien Ming Wang, Molina and Posada are injured. Right now they’re mediocre, but when they all come back we’ll be great. Saying finishing over .500 as an accomplishment wouldn’t be to good of one.
Anybody think Cervelli might be ready to take over the backup CA role in 2010?
That’s the plan/hope.
No.
“Orioles hitters are scary good. That’s the bottom line”
Yeah, especially Louie Montanez who came in hitting 167!.
zaun and montanez’s average might have spooked phil hughes a little.
Jones comes out and says they have the best lineup in the AL East. We do our best to show that he’s right… Come on guys, lets get some runs.
If Johnny Damon’s going down, he’s taking you fuckers with him.
I bet you Teixeira is one relieved #3 hitter.
i’ll gladly take that back Teix.
Lets get above the Mendoza line tonight?!?
kay just sounded wayy too excited to say “And now its 11-3 orioles!” either way, damon rulez.
yup
Go, Johnny, go!
See, Tex and A-Rod are going to get along fine.
Teix warming up? Comeback? A-Rod for back to back to back?
If Tex finds his stroke and wakes up this game, I’ll consider it a win.
I know you’re looking for positives in a 11-4 game (currently), but lets remember that Teix followed up a 2 homer game last week with another stretch of mediocre hitting.
Did Alex get robbed? ‘Cuase it looks over the wall on Gameday.
no, but he just missed it
No just short.
Ah, alright. At least he’s hitting it hard.
Ugh, those runs that Edwar has given up could really come back to bite us in the ass. Why the fuck do we have Tomko AND Aceves on this roster if neither is coming in to a 7-0 game in the 2nd?
I can see not bringing in Tomko since he hasn’t been stretched out yet.
See my response to Drew below.
Well if we continue averaging scoring 2 runs an inning we’ll win in the 9th.
Now Albie warming in the 5th. What’s Girardi smoking tonight?
And Edwar is still in the game…crazy.
So why is Albaladejo throwing rather than Tomko/Aceves? I can understand wanting to save one of them for Joba tomorrow, but . . . both? What?
Albie warming up? Something has to be up with Aceves. Has to be. Girardi’s not this retarded.
You never know. If something was wrong with him why havent they done anything or sent him down instead of Robertson for Tomko?
OH SHIT EDWAR MADE OUTS WITHOUT GIVING UP RUNS
… it’s bizarro world around here.
nothing like looking at the positives
Positive: Win, lose, or draw, the Yankees can have some excellent crabcakes after the game tonight.
Guys, Tomko did not come up to mop up. Why are some of you complaining he is not in?
“UPDATE, 5:42 p.m.: Girardi said he could use Tomko in any role as he would be able to throw as many as 45 pitches.” – Abraham
Sounds like he would’ve been perfect for this game.
True, but we called him up because he’s been the most effective pitcher in our system. Would you rather have Veras in tomorrow in a close game or Tomko?
Plus, Tomko can still come in, throw 15-20 pitches and be good to go tomorrow. No point in wasting his arm for say 40 pitches in this debacle.
Probably Veras. Tomko is a journeyman shitty starter who was stashed away at AAA for a reason. I don’t see why all of a sudden we should trust him in a setup role in a close game.
Agreed.
I still have more faith in Veras than Tomko.
Hey, I’m not saying Tomko is great but he’s proven he can throw strikes and get the job done in the minors. We’ve got to give him a shot. Veras has gotten plenty of shots out there. The sad thing is that we’re debating whether or not Tomko should be our setup guy…
imagine if it was 8-5
ok. i guess i can keep watching the game.
I figured out to do with Nady/Swish platoon. Nady for all home games and Swisher for all away games.
Bonus point: It decreases the chance that Swish hurts his assbone falling down while trying to high-five the home fans.
IETC. And if Swisher is out for the home games we can turn him into a bullpen pitcher. Then back to hitter on the road.
Least we are showing some life and chipping away. Too bad Edwar couldn’t hold it to just 8 runs. Come on offense, show some more life and at least make this a ball game.
’08 Cano is back and it’s not pretty.
Depends on how quickly he can get out of this slump.
If we win this game, do we forget about hughes’ performance
I don’t think you can.
I personally won’t forget it. The defense didn’t help him but there were a lot things he needed to do to get himself out of that inning as well and he didn’t do it.
perhaps this game is a wake up call for him, i dont think he can work any harder than they say he works, but he knows somethings gotta give.
Forget it? No. But I wouldn’t consider bumping him from the rotation just yet.
his next start should be friday against the twins at the stadium, lets hope that he can bounce back, i think he will he seems mentally tough.
I wouldn’t either. Its not like he got completely shelled. Gave up some slow rollers and seeing eye singles. A lot of his hard hit balls (Jones’ double, Huff’s homer), were actually pretty decent pitches but better pieces of hitting on their part. Huff’s homerun almost reminded me of Manny’s against the Cubs’ in the postseason last year, the one basically in the dirt and he just golfed it out. Sometimes there just isn’t anything you can do. Hughes does need to put away hitters though, that was his biggest problem tonight.
Top 7 we get 3 more runs, bank it.
DJ didnt get the memo.
The only way the Yanks are winning this game is if they string together seven more solo homers.
Well they do have A-Rod back…
Not gonna happen.
I wonder if this guy can pitch for us. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fdtn0Z4o8cM
I don’t see flip flopping Jeter and Damon. Not something I’d be in favor of.
I think lost in the haze of “Joba must go to the pen!” is the fact that the Yankees certainly can’t expect Joba to make 30 starts and pitch 180 innings, as well as take his turn in the playoff rotation, contingent of course on their appearing in the playoffs. I’m sure the Yankees aren’t strictly adhering to the Verducci Rule, and Joba could end the year with anywhere from 140-165 innings, but he’s certainly not gonna go 180-200.
That said, what do they do? Pull the Verlander 2006 plan and give him 9 days off between starts occasionally? Put him in the pen at the end of the year? Shut him down when he hits 25 starts? Package him for Scott Feldman in a display of ineptness by Cashman?
Shut him down when he hits 25 starts?
That one.
I think this is probably the best plan for his long-term development, but I have a hard time seeing that the Yankees would just shut down the guy with arguably the best stuff in the entire rotation.
Meh, if CC is CC, AJ is AJ, Pettitte is Pettitte and Wang is Wang, it will be a little easier.
If we play the way we’ve been playing it won’t even be an issue come August/September.
According to Kay, they plan on leaving him in the rotation all year. That means he doesn’t go past 6 and gets skipped on off days.
The idea was that he’d get 30 starts this year. He’ll hopefully make those 30 starts.
Johnny Damon is hotter than Roger Clemens’s balls.
*Golf clap*
touche
2-0 count and trying to pull an outside pitche. Hate when the hitters try to do too much. Just go with what the pitcher is giving you.
I call this Hideki-ness.
Feelin’ the name. I guess 2-0 and popping it up would be Teix-ness.
Why do garbage hitters like Greg Zaun and Lou Montanez seem to kill us?
LoHud
“UPDATE, 8:22 p.m.: The Yankees are playing their 30th game of the season and tonight marks the ninth time they have allowed nine or more runs in a game.”
Yikes
Down by 6….we can do this. I mean come on it is the Oriole’s bullpen after all, it wasn’t designed by uber-GM Theo.
3 runs per inning is certainly do-able as Michael Kay would say it.
Here’s how we fix this team!
1- Fire Brian Cashman.
2- Trade Hughes and Melky to Oakland for Billy Beane and a prospect.
3- Trade A-Rod and $287,000,000 to the Nationals for the #1 pick in the coming draft.
4- Switch Derek Jeter to 1st, Move Tex to LF Damon to CF, Swisher to C and Posada to 3rd.
5- Switch Sterling to the TV Booth, Kay to the Radio booth, Wladman to a Phone booth.
6- Fire Girardi.
7- Trade Albaladejo, Bruney and a strand of Scott Proctor’s DNA to the Dodgers for Joe Torre.
8- Proceed to fire Torre and hire Mattingly. (That’ll light a fire under their asses!)
Any other ideas?
/Lohuded
Not once did you say how this team of sissies gets some toughness or grit.
/Fail
Billy Beane!!!!!!1!!!!11!
I approve of 5
We can get Theo too, so him and Beane can be co-GMs. We’ll never lose a game.
Oh and then get Dave Duncan and Leo Mazzone to be co-pitching coaches.
Tony LaRussa could be the bench coach.
Excellent feedback! You are hired!
9-Flip Girardi over, pull down his pants and paint eyeballs on his buttcheeks. Then put his Baseball cap over his ass and tell the team they are now being managed by Joe Girardi’s Ass.
Do you find it possible that someone else in the rotation is hurt and Aceves is going to make a spot start this week and that is why he wasnt in the game today?
The only thing I could think of is maybe they are saving him in case Joba struggles tomorrow.
No? Maybe Joe wants Al to get more important outs.
DING DING DING DING.
Yeah, I think so as well. Same with Tomko. I think we are seeing the end of Edwar and maybe in the late innings today.
That should read “and maybe Albie.”