Hughes, bats dominate Texas

2009 Draft: Project Prospect's Mock Draft
Garcia strong in second start

So Phil Hughes. This guy likes to pitch in Texas. Last time out in Arlington, Hughes threw a no-hitter for 6.1 innings. This time, he was better.

For eight innings this afternoon, Hughes bewildered and beguiled the Rangers’ hitters. For eight innings, Hughes silenced the Rangers’ generally potent bats. For eight innings, Hughes showed us the promise and potential this 22-year-old right-hander has, and for nine innings, the Yankee bats powered Hughes and the team to an 11-1 victory.

Wearing red hats in honor of Memorial Day, the Yankees started out on fire today. Facing Matt Harrison, a Major League pitcher with no 1-2-3 first innings to his name, the Yanks went double-single-double-single and found themselves up 2-0 with no outs. While a Robinson Cano double play stifled the rally, the two runs would be both a harbinger of things to come and enough runs to win the game.

Meanwhile, Phil Hughes was seemingly rolling. He had a quick first inning but ran into trouble in the second. A Nelson Cruz double and a Hank Blalock HBP had the Rangers queued up for a big inning. When Hughes fell behind to Marlon Byrd, Dave Eiland paid a visit to the mound, and after that, it was all Phil Hughes. He got Byrd to strike out looking, and Chris Davis and Taylor Teagarden to strike out swinging. It was arguably Hughes’ finest bit of pitching as a Major Leaguer.

In the third, the Yanks’ bats put the game out of reach. Johnny Damon doubled, and Mark Teixeira walked. A-Rod banged out his second of five hits to put the Yanks up by three. A Robinson Cano triple cleared the bases, and two batters later, a Nick Swisher ground out made it 6-0 Yanks.

Up and down went the Rangers as Hughes continued to roll. He scattered three hits and walked just one batter. By the time he reached 101 pitches after eight innings, Hughes’ dominant day would be done. He threw 65 of his pitches for strikes and needed an efficient 4.2 pitches per out. He threw calmly, he threw confidently, and he let his stuff do the talking. This outing saw him lower his ERA by nearly 2.00 runs, and he has now struck out 15 over his last 14 innings of work. He will stay in the rotation.

The Yankees meanwhile continued to hit. They knocked Harrison out of the game after just five innings of work and went to work on Kris Benson. By the end of the day, they had knocked out 19 hits, went 9 for 20 with runners in scoring position, scored 11 runs and still managed to leave 10 runners on base. A-Rod had a five-hit game; Kevin Cash picked up three base hits; and every Yankee starter had at least one hit.

With their win, the Yanks have won 13 out of 17. They’re in second place in the AL East, just one game behind the Red Sox, and they hold the AL Wild Card spot right now as well. This team is rolling, and they’ll hand the ball over to Joba Chamberlain tomorrow. It sure is fun to win.

Notes: By going 5-for-5, A-Rod is now hitting .259/.411/.672. He raised his average by .070 points, his OBP by .039 points and his slugging by .068. He also has 17 RBI and 7 home runs in 17 games…The Yankees have recalled David Robertson to take the place of an injured Brian Bruney. Joe will have more about the bullpen later tonight…For in-game thoughts, breaking news and general Yankee discussion in 140 characters or less, make sure to follow River Ave. Blues on Twitter.

2009 Draft: Project Prospect's Mock Draft
Garcia strong in second start
  • Accent Shallow

    Serious question, not busting your balls:

    How can A-Rod’s BA increase more than his SLG? BA = H/AB, SLG = TB/AB. SLG should increase at least as much as BA.

    • John

      Well, it’s because his SLG was higher already. It increased proportionally, making it seem like it did not increase as much.

      I don’t think I explained this right though.

      • Accent Shallow

        SLG can have a value greater than 1. BA can’t.

        I lose.

      • Some call me…tim

        Completely wrong–it has nothing to to with math, his hits just weren’t gritty enough…

        • 27 this year

          IETC

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

      It’s a percentage math problem. The BA increase from 10/53 to 15/58 is more of an increase than the SLG from 32/53 to 39/58. And also the maximum SLG is 4.000 while the maximum BA is 1.000. Different scales.

  • Expired Milk

    I thought the Texas lineup would give our young pitchers some trouble but damn Hughes shut then down. This team continues to surprise me(in good ways) and I cant see them having another stretch where they lose 5 in a row the rest of the season.

    • John

      We didn’t lose 5 last year at all (I think)so losing even 4, or dare I say 3, games consecutively would be shocking if we stay healthy.

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

        It could happen, but with our pitching staff its doubtful. Don’t forget, were getting reinforcements soon with Posada, Marte and Nady coming back in the coming weeks. So we actually should even get a little better.

        • andrew

          And it looks like Nady coming back could be a huge boost in Swisher doesn’t snap out of his funk in the next few weeks

          • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

            If nothing else, the bench gets that much deeper. But I always like competition, I think that’s why Melky has been so good.

            • Zack

              I wish our bullpen had competition to get better…

              • steve (different one)

                considering Albaladejo and Edwar were both demoted in the last week, i’d assume there is some implied competition. if you don’t throw strikes, you will lose your spot.

        • Cor Shep

          Marte is not a couple of weeks away

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

            According to Girardi’s manager show, he very well could be.

  • odedoty

    why did aceves pitch the 9th inning? why waist him,could possibly need him tomorrow or in a closer game… should have sent out tomko to pitch the 9th

    • John

      well, he only picthed 8 low-stress innings

      • John

        whoops, not 8 innings but pitches

        • Accent Shallow

          Yeah, Hughes pitched 8 relatively low-stress innings.

          (Notable exception being the 2nd)

          • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

            That second inning was badass.

          • Zack

            didnt he throw 16pitches in the 3rd and 4th innings combined? thats pretty impressive

    • JobaWockeeZ

      Tomko pitched nearly 30 pitches yesterday so he was not available.

  • JackISBACK

    Maybe we should trade Hughes to Texas, they must think he’s the second coming of Tom Seaver by now!!

    • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

      They have a nice farm system, but no thanks.

    • OmgZombies

      I would want teams to kicks the tires. Who knows some team might give you a couple of prospects with dare I say ridiculous upside.

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

        Why would you want prospects when you have someone who’s 22 and ready to help you right now?

        I hate to break it to you, but chances are the ‘prospects’ we get back will be older than Phil.

        • OmgZombies

          If a team offers a blue chip positional prospect you think Cashman wouldn’t atleast think about it. I’m not advocating trading Hughes but the right offers comes up why not? And whos says they should trade him now anyways?

          • steve (different one)

            this argument can’t really be settled unless we know the prospect. it’s silly to say “no way” or “hell yes” unless you know the names.

            i mean, i think they’d trade Hughes for Matt Wieters, you know?

            but trading just to trade him b/c we think his value is high? i don’t think so.

        • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

          And they probably wouldn’t be as good as he is either.

          • OmgZombies

            Right now theres no telling how good Hughes can be either just like any young player.

            • Drew

              Actually, we have seen how good he “can” be.

              • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

                Unlike some kid in AA who’s years away.

                For those of us paying attention, Phil is entering the final phase of a MLB pitcher’s development. Learning to minimize damage, trusting his stuff and thinking about the hitter instead of himself. He’s just about a finished product. It would be crazy to give up on him right now.

  • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

    I think its 13 out of 17. It was 9 in a row and 11 out of 13 before the Philly series, where we lost 2 of 3, then we won today.

    In any case, the upcoming pitching matchups are pretty sweet.

    Yanks-Tex:
    Chamberlain vs Millwood
    Burnett vs Holland

    Yanks-Cle:
    Pettitte vs Lee
    Sabathia vs Carmona
    Hughes vs Pavano
    Chamberlain vs Sowers

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/schedules?date=20090525

    The only game where we don’t go in with a clear pitching edge is the first CLE game. There’s no reason we can’t keep this train a rollin.

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      Those definitely favor the Yankees overall. Millwood’s been pitching well but we all know he’s hittable, so the Pettitte/Lee game is the only one that really worries me.

      • John

        1 out of 6 is not bad at all

        • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

          Nope. I can easily see a 6-1 or 5-2 road trip.

          • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

            5-2 sounds right to me. You’re going to lose 1-2 of those games just because that’s Baseball. But Cleveland’s a big disappointment this year, we should do well there.

            BTW-5-2 puts our record at a cool 10 games over (31-21) heading into June.

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

        Exactly, and we even come back home to play TEX again after the CLE series. So were set up for a good stretch here, no excuses. The next tough opponent we play is Tampa at the stadium, right after the TEX series.

        BTW-It is 13 out of 17, I just checked.

        http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/schedule/index.jsp?c_id=nyy

        • JobaWockeeZ

          Woot I’m going to one of those Tampa games! But that week is tough. I believe we’re facing Tampa, then the Sox then the Mets.

    • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

      Fausto Carmona walked four consecutive batters in the second inning today. Yeah, CC Sabathia or not, advantage Yankees.

      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

        I called his flukiness before last season and no one believed me.

  • Drew

    AJ hasn’t even won in over a month. Andy hasn’t been great. Wanger has had obvious problems. Our bullpen seems as volatile as the market with most of the guys. Our bench depth is crippled because of injuries. Our DH isn’t exactly playing to his capabilities.
    If this team ever gets to be a semblance of 100%, we will be scary.

    • JobaWockeeZ

      And we are currently in second place, one game behind first. I really can’t wait to see how much better we’ll be with all our injured players back.

      • John

        oh boy…

    • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

      If you’re saying that despite the fact that were playing well, that there’s still room for improvement, then I agree 100%.

      But no team is clicking on all cylinders all the time, or rarely is. The Yanks have enough talent to win even when a few guys are banged up or slumping.

      • Zack

        I agree, Boston hasnt received anything from dicek or papi and beckett’s been horrible except for 1 start and they’re in first place. but wakefield, the bullpen, and youk have been hot. with the yankees swish was hitting in april to carry the load, now he’s slumping and teix/arod are killing the ball, that’s how it goes.

  • zs190

    And they say Joba is inefficient with his pitches, Price went 3 1/3 with 100 pitches, while leading 10-0 at one point, crazy.

    • Accent Shallow

      [Price to pen joke]

      • Zack

        their pen just blew a 10-2 lead

        • Drew

          *10-0. heh

          • Zack

            Price was the starter and gave up 2 runs, so the pen blew 10-2 lead

    • AndrewYF

      He needs to go to the bullpen.

    • OmgZombies

      What did Price give the Rays?
      NOTHING!

      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

        Haha, I’m sure Kruk will say nothing of the sort.

        • Justin R.

          “You gotta let these young guys like Price work through it…putting them into the bullpen will only stunt their growth. He gave them 5 strong, struck out 8 and gave them a whole lot tonight, Peter!” – Kruk

          • Zack

            “He gave them 3.1 strong”

            • Justin R.

              Even better!

        • http://forums.projectcovo.com/images/smilies/e6omir.gif OmgZombies

          His performance was ok because the Rays had a 10-0 lead. I swear he said that. Not the exact quote but Gammons said something negative about Prices start and Kruk was like “It was during a 10-0 lead”.

          • Zack

            Kruk was impressed how Price could work himself IN and out of trouble

  • teix is the man

    Gimme Hughes over Buchholz any day

    • manimal

      bUt TuH No-HiTtoR!

    • Chris

      This is one of the things that I never understood. Hughes is 2 years younger, and has put up better numbers at every level, but most people seem to love Buchholz and are iffy on Hughes.

      • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

        Buchholz has a better fastball, breaking ball and changeup than Hughes, and arguably better command (if not equal); I’m sorry, but Clay Buchholz > Phil Hughes.

        • Chris

          I understand the argument, but at some point in the roughly 470 professional innings that they’ve each thrown you should see a difference in performance.

          I also go back to the fact that Hughes is 2 years younger. When Buchholz was this age, he was pitching in AA.

      • Accent Shallow

        I think it’s a stuff issue. Buchholz apparently has two plus offspeed pitches (curve and change), while Hughes only has the curve.

        • V

          But Buchholz’s fastball is mediocre, causing him to have to pitch backwards (using his curve/change to set up his fastball).

          His curve/change are awesome though.

          • Zack

            I think maturity level or mental make up are on completely different levels too. We know about Clay and his laptops, throws a no hitter and gets a playboy bunny- then ends up in AAA after 15 starts with 6+ era, even the NESN announcers said he was a scared deer in the headlights last year.

  • Jake H

    I wish I could have watched Hughes dominate.

    • Cor Shep

      it was great – although his fastball wasn’t at 94!?!?11?!!

  • E-ROC

    Baseball is fun to watch when win, especially when you know Ponson or Rasner is nowhere to be seen in the next start. Thank Mo!

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      especially when you know Ponson or Rasner is nowhere to be seen in the next start.

      Best part of this season.

  • andrew

    Not sure if this was discussed in the game thread or not, but when Hughes was taken out he refused to shake Girardi’s hand. I understand he didn’t want to leave the game and wanted to go for his first career complete game shut out, but I’m also a believer in not showing up the manager and having the bigger long term picture in mind. I’m not so sure on which side I fall on the issue so I was wondering what you guys felt.

    • Zack

      It’s not like he walked by him on the mound in front of everyone- he just finished his 8th inning and told he wasnt going back out in the dugout, you want to see that desire in our pitchers. If they were on Boston it would be praised as being old school and playing baseball the right way.

      Plus I’m sure they had a talk after and everything is alright, its not like he’s going into joe’s doghouse

      • kSturnz

        not sure bbtn will see it that way, jaja

        • Zack

          why even watch bbtn? i only turn it on if something big happens, if i want scores/updates i just goto mlbtraderumors or yahoo

          its like fox news or msnbc, if you’re liberal why watch fox, and if you’re conservative why watch msnbc

    • OmgZombies

      He should have finished pitching the game no question. It wasn’t like he was laboring in the 8th. The 100 pitch limit count thing is getting on my nerves.

    • steve (different one)

      Girardi talked about it in the postgame, he was ok. no harm done.

      he said he was very glad that Phil wanted the ball, but it was a hot day, 11 run lead, yada yada.

      Phil said he was disappointed, but he understood and didn’t “fight it too hard”.

      nothing to see here.

      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

        nothing to see here.

        Exactly. As long as they’re both cool with it come post-game, it’s all good.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      He eventually shook his hand. After they talked and stuff you can see they shook on the replay.

  • handtius

    I’m excited for Hughes. I love the guy. great pitcher. Having 2/3 of the Big 3 in the majors is a joy to see. My only negative thought, is what should be done about Wang. I mentioned this in the game thread. I don’t think you can just leave him in the pen if Hughes continues to pitch well. He deserves better then that. He’s too good to be a long man mop up guy.

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      He hasn’t shown that yet, though. Until he shows it, it’s not a problem.

      • handtius

        I think the problem is he’s going to have a much harder time figuring it out in the bullpen, then in the minors, starting. The Yanks messed that decision up.

        • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

          Oh yeah, definitely. That’s probably the worst move of the ’09 season.

        • steve (different one)

          we really have no idea if this is true or not. maybe he’ll benefit more from working directly with Eiland, instead of dominating minor leaguers?

          • handtius

            That is possible, but he won’t get the innings he needs. If he’s all straightened out, but only going 2, 3 innings at a time, he won’t get deep in a game in a while…Maybe a Wang, Hughes piggy back ride (of vice versa).

            • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

              That really wouldn’t help either one of them in the long run I don’t think.

              • handtius

                I didn’t mean long term, just until wang gets back to 100 pitches.

            • Zack

              Wang was getting through 8 innings with 75 pitches, so i know we label a guy as needing ‘innings’ but isnt getting 100-110 pitches more important? and i dont count going to the bullpen after the game as getting pitches in either sorry

        • Zack

          it was necessary move though, bullpen had no one, even if your brought melancon/robertson up the bullpen wouldnt have enough arms to go 6+ innings if necesasry.

          plus wang can only do rehab for 30 days, so he would have only had 1 or 2 starts to go and lets be honest AAA was nothing for him, threw what 70 pitches through 8 innings? needs to face real hitters to see where his stuff is at

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

            Wang had around 21 days — or about four starts — left on his rehab clock. That was a poorly thought-out panic move through and through in my opinion. Right now, Wang is in pitching limbo, and unless Joba’s knee acts up tomorrow, he’s not going to get much work in this week.

            • Zack

              “Hughes had around 21 days — or about four starts — left on his rehab clock.” – Did you mean Wang? Maybe my math is off then, but still they need a long arm for the bullpen and Wang was the call up.

              “Joba’s knee acts up tomorrow, he’s not going to get much work in this week.” – Joba isnt a lock to throw 7, maybe he’ll go 6 or 5; Wang will get atleast 2 innings tomorrow

              • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

                So you’re telling me that if Joba throws just six innings tomorrow and the Yanks have a two-run lead, you’re comfortable going to Wang? That’s awfully trusting of you.

                • handtius

                  Exactly. Wang needs regular work and if he’s not ready to start, he is not ready to relieve in a important position. He can only be used in a blow outs.

                • Zack

                  “So you’re telling me that if Joba throws just six innings tomorrow and the Yanks have a two-run lead, you’re comfortable going to Wang? That’s awfully trusting of you.”

                  Besides Mo who do you trust with a 2 run lead?
                  Veras? Tomko? Coke? Aceves- yes, but are they going to keep having him go multiple innings then sit out 3 games or turn him into the 8th inning guy?

          • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

            The chances that the ‘pen needs to go 6+ are VERY rare. I’d rather have had Robertson or Melancon up earlier; their role in the ‘pen will/would most likely be much bigger than the role of a mop up guy.

            • Zack

              Yes rare, but what if something happened to AJ after Joba? The bullpen was dead and it doesnt make sense to be unprepared, Robertson or Melancon wouldnt have pitched more then 2innings and other arms wouldnt have been available after making up 8 innings for joba

              • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

                You’re saying they should’ve prepared for something that didn’t happen. And, honestly, how much help would Wang be in a situation like that? The way he’s been pitching, he probably would’ve made things worse. It was a short sighted move, IMO.

                • Zack

                  “he probably would’ve made things worse” – the score would be irrelevant, its the innings.

                  You’re looking back and saying “oh they didnt need Wang.” I’m looking back and saying, the bullpen had to pick up 8innings the night before, IF something happened to AJ and they had to pick up 8, 7, or 6 they would have had to push guys to throw more then they should, that’s what they said the reason for bringing Wang up, have someone who could make up that slack.

                • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

                  That’s fair enough but it’s also a rare situation that probably won’t happen again. Unless the Yankees get fuckin’ spanked in the first few innings again (unlikely) there’s going to be little chance for Wang to stretch out. He can never have a chance to rejoin the rotation because he won’t have the arm strength to do so. Down in Scranton, he would’ve been able to at least build arm strength and had a better chance to join the rotation. Now with Hughes pitching well, it’s unlikely that Wang gets a spot start, unless they skip Joba. But, even if they do that, skipping Joba, I mean, they’d have to rest Wang for a few days before that, meaning there’d be another completely wasted roster spot.

                • Zack

                  But wasnt Wang going 8 innings with like 75 pitches in AAA? So that wasnt helping with arm strength either.

                  I agree it wasn’t the ideal move to make, but i think it was necessary when looking at the situation, you disagree and you have a fair point about Wang now.

                • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

                  It’s better than going 2 innings on 40 pitches in low-medium leverage situations in the majors on an inconsistent basis.

                • handtius

                  Wang doesn’t have to prove himself against better competition anymore. He just needs to get his arm strength and improve the sink on his pitches, making sure his delivery is sound.

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

                  Except, handtius, based on his results and release point on Friday, he’s far from the pitcher he once was. His stuff isn’t where it needs to be, and his mechanics are not what they were in 2007.

                  Anyway, if it’s a matter of arm strength and sink, then the Yanks would have been better off keeping him in the Minors where he could have gotten work in situations that won’t impact a pennant race.

                • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

                  And, since the Yankees plan on winning this season, I’d rather have him do that away from the big league team.

                • Drew

                  Speaking of that. Today, Suzyn Waldman had no idea Wang just couldn’t be sent down. Ugh.. John Sterling had to say, “well, that’s not an option.” She was like “oh.”

                • handtius

                  Ben, I totally agree. I stated above and in the game thread that the Yankees really screwed the pooch on this one. Wang should not have come up, even if there was a need. They should have brought up someone like Claggett or Kroenke. It derails Wang’s rehab which should be of the utmost importance.

    • Zack

      “He deserves better then that”
      And when he proves that he’s back to his old self (or somewhat close) I’m sure he’ll get another shot, but right now each of our 5 starts have an era below 28.00 so they deserve to keep their spot.

  • steve (different one)

    also, is Eiland good again now that Hughes and Joba are pitching well?

    good thing we didn’t fire him on April 25th.

    • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

      Honestly, that was one of the dumbest things I’ve ever seen a group of RAB posters push for in my year-plus of being here.

      • Mike Pop

        I know. That, fire Girardi, DFA Veras(this was after 2 bad games), and fire Eiland was some of the dumbest shit.

        Not as dumb as those douches that vote 1 on the confidence poll though.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

          ….I’d still DFA Veras when the time is right….

          • steve (different one)

            yeah, he probably won’t be here in September, but i am also fine with not making any permanent moves for now. especially with Bruney and Marte out. they simply need the arms right now.

          • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

            Yeah, agreed. I’d have no problem DFA’ing him when the time is right/for the right player.

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

            Veras is getting there. Hasn’t allowed a run in his last 7 games, and he’s stranded all 4 runners he’s inherited in that time.

            • Zack

              7 games- only 4.1 innings. but i agree veras is going good recently

              • handtius

                bullpens are volatile. he could go shutdown the rest of the year…we just don’t know. Look at Hawkins after he went to the stos.

                • JGS

                  or look at Tampa Bay tonight. Grant Balfour was great last year

  • YankeeScribe

    Has anyone noticed that the Yankees haven’t made an error in 12 games? They’re playing flawless baseball right now

  • V

    Wow. Tampa Bay blows a 10-0 lead to lose 11-10.

  • nilnil

    FB/GB was high for Hughes 12-6 and 7-6 for the last two good games. I am curious about his FB in minors. Can anyone help?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

      It’s about 1.06. So in line with his last start, but not quite in line with this start.

  • rsam

    would you guys still do that trade phil hughes melky cabrera and prospect for santana people wanted cashman fired for not doing that trade should we still go after matt holiday to replace matsuis bat next year?

    • Drew

      I think everyone’s opposition to Holliday is the contract. At this rate, while we shouldn’t expect Melky to hit 320 forever like he is now, Melk and AJAX may be patrolling the OF for us next year and fpr years to come. I’d think we have a better shot at resigning JD than signing MH.
      As for that trade, I always loved Melky so I didn’t want to see him, Philly and another top prospect go for Santana, even though he may be the best pitcher in the game. Plus we got CC, all’s well that ends well.

      • JP

        Why can’t we expect Melky to hit .320 forever? Melky hit .280 as a 21 year old, I think, playing pretty regularly. Anyone who can do that has the ability to be a regular .300 hitter in the majors. Look at what George Brett and Bernie Williams did as rookies.

        I’m not saying Melky is a Brett/Bernie caliber player. He isn’t. But people way-undervalue him, I think.

        I don’t know why he declined for 2 years, but I don’t think 2 bad seasons erase the potential he has. Maybe he was trying to hit homers or something. Knoblauch was a fantastic hitter, a slap hitter who ran well and was on base all the time. Then someone convinced him he had to hit for more power and pull the ball, and his career went steadily south.

        Melky reminds me of a sort of Tony Gwynn-lite. Stocky guy, not much power, not alot of bat speed. But can handle the bat, makes contact alot. If he just tried to do that well – put the bat on the ball and hit line drives, he’d be a very valuable ballplayer. The fact that he can switch hit is also a bonus.

    • nilnil

      Thanks a lot, Kabak.

      I will do the trade now. Santana is better than CC regarding to stats of ERA, K, WHIP. If the Yankees made that trade, Burn would not be here. I cant image the Yanks with Santana, CC and Joba.

      • My Name ain’t Kelvin

        If the yankees made that trade, CC would not be here. No way they give that kind of contract to two pitchers.

    • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

      For the BAZILLIONTH time, there NEVER WAS a Hughes-Melky-Prospect trade for Santana. N-E-V-E-R.

      The final offer by Bill Smith was Hughes/Melky/A-prospect/A-Prospect or Wang/IPK/Melky/B-prospect. That’s according to Brian Cashman, who was on the other line of the phone. That’s also about double what the Twins got from the Mets.

      The Twins didn’t want to trade Santana in the AL, unless they got a boatload back.

      • LiveFromNewYork

        Thank you. I get tired of hearing about these phantom trade scenarios that existed only in the mind of the fanbase. The price for Santana was too high and would have prevented the CC acquisition.

        And it’s not about Santana >Hughes, Melky. It’s not about the face value. It’s about how the organization does things. I, for one, am glad we stuck with our young arms despite the fact that we didn’t make the playoffs. It represents a philosophical shift in the organization that I support.

  • Rob in CT

    Man it felt good to see Hughes pitch like that! Apparently he likes the mound in Texas or something. Damn.

  • JP

    Sorry folks, but Hughes is in the rotation to stay.

    The fact that they have Wang in the bullpen means they have no confidence in him right now.

    I really wonder if we’re going to see the 19 game winner Chen Ming Wang again this season. He obviously needs a long rehab in order to get his velocity back and to figure out why his sinker isn’t sinking. A sinkerballer with a mediocre slider and a 92 mph flat, non-sinking sinker is not going to be effective.

    I’ve said this before, and nobody agrees, but I don’t see why you don’t just keep both of them on the MLB roster. Figure out a schedule for Hughes where he ends up getting the number of starts and innings you need for his longterm plan, and then use Wang to supplement that. Maybe Hughes misses his regular rotation spot every three or four trips through the rotation, and you give that slot to Wang. Wang pitches long relief. Wang mops up. Wang pitches the second game of a double header, Wang moves into the rotation when Pettitte or Burnett or Chamberlain goes on the DL. It’s likely that they’re going to have some injury issues with starting pitchers, so why not have 6 of them, and just be creative.

    Someone will say “no, Wang and Hughes both need ‘their innings’ so one of them must go to the minors.” I disagree. I say you have your best pitchers on the MLB roster and you find ways to use them.

    Girardi probably wouldn’t go along with this, because modern managers seem mesmerized with the defined pitching roles thing, and it just cramps their brains to consider doing it any other way.

    I don’t think it’s in the best interest of the team to have either Phil Hughes or Chen Ming Wang spending time in the minors. Both are young, both have shown they can be very good pitchers. They need to be in the majors, getting major league hitters out in some role. If we want effective pitchers in the playoffs, we don’t want these guys pitching in AAA.