Comments on: If A-Rod tipped pitches, it didn’t work

By: KW

KW — Mon, 18 May 2009 15:26:11 +0000

http://www.3-dbaseball.net/200.....tches.html Anyone see this? any thoughts?

By: nilnil

nilnil — Mon, 18 May 2009 01:58:20 +0000

Why dia A-Rod know the comming pitch to tip in blowout games? In those games, the pitchers just throw random pitchs.

By: andrew

andrew — Sun, 17 May 2009 23:36:23 +0000

Yup, I definitely agree with both you and Zack. These allegations have not been proved as Selena Roberts would like us to believe, but these stats also don’t disprove it. Oh well, I’m kinda hoping this blows over, I just don’t care that much… just… want… to watch… Yankees… without…. controversy!!

By: Steve S

Steve S — Sun, 17 May 2009 21:34:22 +0000

But the actual allegations that were supported by absolutely no data were worth our time? So we have to believe it to be gospel since you pick up the NY post and listen to talk radio and make some kind of conclusion about Arod? But when someone presents facts and figures, they should be ignored because of variables. And the same can be said for the arbitrary morons who believed the allegations of pitch tipping basically because they like to make character assertions against a baseball player that they dont even know. I love the fact that we watch these play a sport and somehow we can make determinations about their characters. Makes a lot of sense.

By: NC Saint

NC Saint — Sun, 17 May 2009 19:34:16 +0000

Wow, nope, I didn’t. I take it all back. I never follow links to SI or tabloids, and these guys never explained the full deal here. My bad.

That would be much worse, obviously, though it seems way less plausible. Thanks for clearing that up.

By: Tony

Tony — Sun, 17 May 2009 18:51:42 +0000

You realize that this is about ARod supposedly tipping opponents off to his teammates’ pitches, right?

By: NC Saint

NC Saint — Sun, 17 May 2009 18:03:36 +0000

Tipping pitches, even in blowout games, is no light charge — it’s basically treasonous by baseball standards. It’s unsportsmanlike in every sense of the term.

I’m not sure I agree with this. Yeah, it’s against the rules, and players aren’t eager to admit to it, but I don’t get the sense that anyone gets too worked up about it. The entire system of signs, and making them more complicated when there’s a runner on second, is based on the assumption that the other team is going to do its best to figure out what’s coming. Former players are sometimes pretty frank about this in the booth.

It rubs one a little bit the wrong way when it’s more institutional or technologically advanced, but it’s very likely that the Shot Heard Round the World was hit off a tipped-pitch as part of a pretty elaborate scheme, and no one really gives a shit. Nor do I see any reason they should.

By: Tony

Tony — Sun, 17 May 2009 17:08:49 +0000

No, the point is that nothing is proved in this piece. If he’s tipping pitches to one or two people, it’s not necessarily (probably not) going to show up in this kind of data set. It’s also not like the pitchers stopped trying to get the guy out, even if the pitch had indeed been tipped. There are about 12,000 variables involved with this situation, and few of them were addressed by the article. In summation: waste of time for all except those that were already falling over themselves to beatify ARod to begin with.

By: The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

The Honorable Congressman Mondesi — Sun, 17 May 2009 16:56:04 +0000

You completely missed the point. The point isn’t that A-Rod is wonderful and definitely never engaged in some sort of pitch-tipping scheme, the point is that (1) Roberts made a VERY serious charge with VERY flimsy reason/evidence, (2) that a look at some statistics/ evidence that might shed some light on the issue, (3) that this look at statistical evidence does NOT support her assertions, and (4) that the fact that she neglected to even address this issue by looking at the statistics/evidence (or by including interviews with sources, who would likely have agreed to go on the record, who would have denied these allegations) can be read as an indictment of her objectivity and impugns the veracity of her claims.

By: steve (different one)

steve (different one) — Sun, 17 May 2009 16:55:05 +0000

“your post”