Memorial Day Eve Open Thread

2009 Draft: The High School Pitcher Myth
Noesi goes the distance in Charleston loss

That was a disappointing loss, but what can you do. We should all be very happy with an 8-2 homestand that was very close to being a 9-1 homestand. Anyway, it’s another slow night, so we’ll leave the floor open to you guys to talk about whatever you like. The Brewers and Twinkies play at 8pm on ESPN, and the Cavs and Magic play at 8:30 on TNT. Feel free to talk about whatever you want here, just be nice.

2009 Draft: The High School Pitcher Myth
Noesi goes the distance in Charleston loss
  • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

    Express trains that go from Harlem to Greenwich in less than 30 minutes rule.

    • Bryan

      How about, Rhode Island is neither a road nor is it an island. Discuss.

      • Arod, all the time

        Why is Rhode Island called an island?

        The state commonly called Rhode Island actually has the official name of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations. “Rhode Island” is the island where the city of Newport sits today though the state also occupies mainland and three other major islands.

        • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

          Why do we drive on Parkways and park on Driveways?

          *groans*

          • UWS

            Oh no, you diin’t!

            • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

              *hangs head in shame*

    • Kilgore Trout

      23 minutes home from the stadium today. $4.50 round trip. Awesome.

  • pollo

    Anyone else watching the AAA game on NESN? Shelly just hit his 15th jack of the season..we seriously need to bring him up.

    • Some call me…tim

      What for? DFA Angel just so he can pinch hit in extra inning games instead of Cash, Pena, Gardner, Cervelli?

      That absurd!! I mean, rea…hmm…

      Nevermind.

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

        I think we saw enough of Mr Duncan to last a lifetime.

        Call me when he can hit a curveball, slider, change, or anything besides a fastball.

        • Some call me…tim

          Oh ok, fair enough.

          It’s too bad we don’t have anybody on the 40 who isn’t on the DL or already in NY that hit, you know, those pitches.

  • http://theyankeeuniverse.com Moshe Mandel

    I think that some fans get wrapped up in young guys like Cervelli if they hit a bit. The fact that someone could even suggest that the Yankees pinch hit for Matsui and let Cervelli hit is ridiculous.

    • Arod, all the time

      From what I have seen, he is a fine catcher.

      You Yank fans need a wakeup call; not all position players should be required to bat .900+, for to do so you get stuck with crap, like now (well, not now but whenever this ridiculous streak ends).

      • http://theyankeeuniverse.com Moshe Mandel

        That has nothing to do with my point. He is great defensively, but if I had to choose between Matsui and Cervelli, I know the answer to that one.

        • Arod, all the time

          “Great” is taking my comment too far. I said he looked like a fine catcher. And, so screw what he can contribute offensively today.

          • http://theyankeeuniverse.com Moshe Mandel

            Huh? I’m talking about one specific at bat, in today’s ninth inning. All that matters is what he can contribute today offensively in that instance.

        • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

          Moshe, I have a better and more pertinent question.

          Molina or Cervelli?

          I know the answer to that one, and it aint Molina.

          • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

            For ’09, Molina. For ’10 and beyond: Cervelli.

            • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

              To me, neither one is going to hit much and both are outstanding defensively-That’s a wash

              One is really fast and the other’s really slow-Cervelli.

              The only reason to keep Molina around is you’re still worried about Posada, which is an excellent reason. That’s why I think they’ll send Cervelli down. But comparing the two players side by side, its Cervelli.

              • Arod, all the time

                And that would be why you’re not a GM of a professional baseball club.

                If Molina has proven anything these past two years, it’s that he is well-endowed defensively but unable to handle the day-to-day as an everyday catcher, else his muscles explode.

                I’d make Cervelli the main man.

                • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

                  I’m not GM material?

                  You make Cervelli the #2 catcher that means you have to DFA Molina. They can’t carry three catchers with a lefty DH (Matsui) who cant play the OF and a righty DH (Nady) due back in two weeks.

                  Then what happens if Cervelli/Posada get hurt? You’re screwed, that’s what happens. Stick to running the BoSox, please.

                • Arod, all the time

                  I don’t know the ins and outs of your roster so maybe I’m wrong about Cervelli sticking. But w/o roster considerations, if I were to make a decision between Cervelli getting the bulk of work or Molina it would definitely be Cervelli.

                  Forget about Po. He’s not a catcher anymore, just some hybrid stick him where he won’t get hurt anymore kinda guy.

                • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

                  In a vacuum, sure, I’ll take Cervelli over Molina for the rest of ’09; but since that isn’t the situation, I’ve got no problem with Cervelli getting some more seasoning at AAA before taking over the backup role next year.

              • http://theyankeeuniverse.com Moshe Mandel

                I agree with you on all counts here.

    • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

      That is, but Matsui has been very streaky this year. And the thought of having TWO DHs who can’t play the field once Nady comes back means our bullpen/bench will just be that much shorter, and both are short already.

  • Chris

    Not to be picky, but the homestand was also very close to being 5-5, considering that 4 wins were walk off wins.

    • Arod, all the time

      Mostly vs MINN and BALT, at home, no less.

      Still, though, anytime this group of AARP members can put together a streak of 9 straight wins I’d call that impressive, almost as impressive as throwing down 9 straight on the shuffleboard circuit.

      • UWS

        You know, for a fan of a team that just lost 2 out of 3 to the freakin’ Mets, you sound awfully uppity ;)

        • Arod, all the time

          Apparently, the Mets are awesome.

          But shit happens, as well. I’m no fan of the Sox going anywhere without Ortiz and Lester. I ain’t naive.

          • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

            Your Sox haven’t even started breaking down yet, and you know Beckett, Penny, JD Drew and Saito are going to spend at least a month on the DL this year, if not more.

            • Arod, all the time

              Who’s Penny? Who’s Saito?

              JD may, but even if he does his position is well covered. Beckett should not because he’s not injury prone, he’s just prone to walking into camp every off-year fat, and hurting himself. 2009 is not an off-year.

              • Zack

                RF is well covered? By Rocco?

                Beckett has had finger, back, side, and the mystery ‘slept on my elbow’ injury that kept him out what almost a month last year?

                • Arod, all the time

                  Rocco and others, sure. Together they are no worse than what the yanks bring, so why not?

                  Damon
                  Melky
                  Swisher

                  You’re out of your league here, dude. Give it up.

                • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

                  That was all BS. The Sox were telling everyone that Big Papi and Penny were 100% all spring.

                  I suspect that shoulder that they were worried about when they traded for him is slowly disintegrating, right on schedule. They figured he would only hold up for a few years when they traded for him.

                • Zack

                  “Rocco and others, sure. Together they are no worse than what the yanks bring, so why not?”

                  That’s funny, considering Kotsay is still on rehab assignment and Rocco cant play 9 innings but yeah they’re definately better then the Yankees.

                • Arod, all the time

                  Well JD isn’t hurt either, now is he?

                  You guys are asking about what happens if JD goes down for “a month”, and I’m saying whatever does, brings no less downside than Swisher and/or Xady. And that’s a true story.

                • Zack

                  I didnt ask that scenario, I just responded to your response that Rocco/Kotsay are better then Nady/Swisher.

                • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

                  And I’m not responding to either scenario, I’m just posting this clip anywhere and everywhere I get a chance.

                  http://thebuffetisclosed.com/2009/05/24/great-guy-that-papelbon/

                  Charming.

                  Where are all the Sox fans who hated Paul O’Niell so much? A guy who never directed his anger at anyone other than himself, unlike sweetie pie Papsy.

                • Arod, all the time

                  The question actually would become, who is better, Swisher/Xady or JD, Rocco, Kotsay, Van Every, Reddick, or some other corner outfielder not mentioned but whom could be obtained for chump change.

                  Seriously, dude, give it up. Swisher and Xady are nothing to brag about. Neither is your CF and LF.

                • http://theyankeeuniverse.com Moshe Mandel

                  Our CF has an OPS of .866, our LF at .947. Swisher, with all his slumping, is at .865. Drew is at .886, not that much higher. If he gets hurt, Baldelli is at .577, and his career is at .765. Try to do some research before you mouth off.

                • UWS

                  DNFTT, people.

                • Arod, all the time

                  Yeah, Melky!

                  BTW, Swisher isn’t slumping, he’s playing as he always has: Appear for a month, disappear for two. Williams is no idiot.

                • http://theyankeeuniverse.com Moshe Mandel

                  It’s fine, ignore the numbers that conflict with you. Putting that exclamation point after Melky’s name, that’s some convincing stuff. And with that, as UWS stated, it is time to stop feeding the troll.

                • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

                  That .645 OPS he’s getting out of Wilson Betemit is totally awesome, along with his -78.7 UZR/150 @ third (SSS alert, but it’s still funny).

                  Just looking up numbers on Swisher. He’s a hot starer (.909 OPS in April) and a hot finisher (.805 in Sept/Oct). May (.780), June (.788), July (.744), and August (.794) are all pretty even.

                • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

                  People, don’t mess with Nick Swisher’s #1 fan. It will get you nowhere.

                • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

                  :)

                • Arod, all the time

                  Fine, just as long as you realize you have lost the argument, which you have. There’s no Yankee fan in this universe that would take the convoluted, wind aided numbers of your outfield against Bay, Ellsbury and JD. Not a one. And you know that as well as I.

                • UWS

                  By all means, ignore the wall-aided numbers of your outfield. Whatever.

                • Arod, all the time

                  Have you ever tried to hit over a 50′ wall 300′ away?

                  Thought not. Go back to your Cheetos.

                • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

                  Ellsbury is currently wOBAing .321 and EQA’ing .251. Both of those stats include baserunning. Melky’s wOBAing .374 and he’s also out-defending Jacoby in CF, 20.0 UZR/150 to 3.2 UZR/150. Right now, I’ll take Cabrera.

                  As for the home/away, Swisher’s actually hitting a lot better on the road than at home so your argument falls a little flat there. He and Drew, IMO, are a toss up. They’re very similar–patient hitters with good-but-not-overwhelming power who are above average fielders. I’d take either one.

                  Bay is raking right now, no doubt about that, though.

                • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

                  You think that wall hasn’t helped would be pop outs turn into doubles? Really? Come on, you’re better than that.

                • Spaceman.Spiff

                  Go back to your Cheetos, Matt.

                  /oaktag

                • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

                  Crunchy or puffy?

    • Zack

      That can be said about any game- if this play happened this way or if he didnt make that one bad pitch. Yeah you take negative feelings out of games win won (bullpen blew a couple leads) but they also leads too and we just look over those games.

    • Rich

      I’ll have to remember to look at the standings of yours where they differentiate between close wins and actual wins.

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

        Well, there is such a thing as Run Differential, you know.

  • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

    Was anyone at the game today?

    I’m already hearing reports from people who went to Sunday’s game that the Yanks are putting tarps up around the facility to try to cut down on the wind tunnel effect.

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      I was there but didn’t see anything like that.

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

        Were you in the upper deck?

        • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

          Yeah, 407b.

          • Kilgore Trout

            I think the tarp is in the Legend/Field Level Tunnel behind the plate.
            Quite breezy in 433 today, very nice.

            • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

              They should put up some plexiglass ASAP. But knowing NYC, these things dont happen overnight.

          • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

            You’re out in RF, what I heard about was on the other side of the building. But I’m going to double check anyway, maybe it was lower as well.

  • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

    We can stop the death watch on Phil Hughes, where every start he is pitching for his MLB job. Girardi made clear on the ‘Joe Girardi Show’ after the game that they are taking things very slow with Chien Ming Wang, and that they want to see him all the way back before putting him in the rotation. Phil Hughes is the Yankees 5th starter for the foreseeable future.

  • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

    Girardi also said the Damaso Marte has begun his throwing program, so figure he’s a few weeks away from being activated. I’d expect them to take the Wang/Bruney route with him and let him pitch a few minor league games before activating him. Figure he’s a few weeks away.

  • Reggie C.

    TMZ is breaking this news: Jeremy Shockey was rushed to a Vegas hospital after he was found unconscious at 2pm at the Hard Rock. Tmz is saying that Shockey had been at a pool party.

    — I may have hated his antics while on the G-men, but i hope he’s okay.

    • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

      “EDIT @ 8:37 EST Chris Mortensen is reporting that Shockey suffered from a “bout of dehydration” and has been released.”

  • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist
    • Zack

      he’ll starting against the Indians

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

        If there’s any surprise, its how spotty he was in AAA this year.

        • Zack

          they blamed it on the pitch/inning limit

          • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

            Meh, not buying it.

            • Zack

              I think he barely average 5ip/start, either way I think Wade Davis deserved to be called up first 5-1 2.66era, and was 4-2 2.72 era in AAA last year.

        • Drew

          I don’t look at his AAA #’s as holding any weight. He’s a major leaguer, perhaps he was working on a new pitch. When a major leaguer is in AAA he is suppose to work on things, it’s not always just about getting outs. If that was the case he could just throw fastballs and changeups and get guys out left and right. Doing that would get outs but would provide no help for his major league career.

  • WesternYankeeFan

    Can anyone get Joe Mauer out?

  • http://theyankeeuniverse.com Moshe Mandel

    I was looking at the ESPN pages for Melky and Ellsbury to look at the glorious numbers and noticed something interesting that I did not know. Melky is younger.

    • Zack

      And Hughes is 2 years younger then Buchholz

    • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

      Sure, but Melky can’t own and operate a casino in the continental USA.

      • Drew

        What you don’t know, is that Melky is really 37.

      • Whitey14

        I don’t think any major leaguer can…

        • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

          I think Tacoby Bellsbury has enough Native American in him to do so.

  • rsam

    If i was the yankees i would inquire about peavy and sheets cant have too much pitching still worried about wang hughes and burnett.

    • Zack

      Right, give up the top prospects in our mediocre farm system for a pitcher with an ERA of 3.82 away from Petco against the nL and sign another injury prone pitcher

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

        Add half a run for the American League.

        • Zack

          Add a run for the band box

  • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

    I’m really concerned about this ballpark. I’m just waiting for Brett Gardner to lay down a bunt, and have it go over the Right Field fence.

    • UWS

      I’m waiting for Brett to lay a bunt down and get an inside-the-parker out of that.

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

        We’ve seen one guy get jammed (Swisher)and hit it out. Today we saw Tex break his bat and have it go 5 rows deep.

        Next thing you know, we’ll see Ramiro Pena check his swing and watch it land in the upper deck.

        • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

          Over/Under: 50.5 more ABs til Pena’s first homer

          • UWS

            As much as I love Ramiro, I’ll take the over.

          • Zack

            way over-hit 2 in 400+ ABs last year

        • Zack

          Andruw Jones hit a broken bat home run in atlanta before

          • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

            Andruw Jones is walking Pharmaceutical Factory.

            • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

              Twinkies don’t count as pharmaceuticals.

              • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

                Have you ever read the label on a Twinkee?

                • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

                  Touche.

          • Pasqua

            When I see a ball ricochet off of A-Rod’s elbow pad and get out, then I’ll really worry.

    • http://9thinning.blogspot.com VO

      Your right this thing could get out of hand, next thing you know Joba is trying to throw at Youkilis so it can hit of him into the Mohegan Sun Bar.

  • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

    Jon Miller just said the Metrodome is the only indoor stadium still in use. Apparently Tropicana Field is outdoors now.

    • UWS

      I was wondering about that.

      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

        I don’t know what’s worse: that he made that mistake or that no one corrected him.

  • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

    If Joe Mauer is hurt, so help me I will find this pitcher for the Brewers and rip his entrails out through his belly button.

    • UWS

      I think Morneau just took care of it for you.

      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

        Yep.