The heartache continues as Yanks drop extra innings affair

Game 27 Spillover Thread IV
The spring of our managerial discontent

The Yankees are like a misbehaving child: I’m not angry, I’m disappointed. Frustrated too. After playing horribly for seven and two thirds innings the Yankees actually caught a break, but they couldn’t finish the job. In three straight innings they had the go-ahead, winning, or tying run in scoring position and failed to plate him. That gave Tampa Bay a few extra chances, and Carlos Pena took advantage in the 10th and gave the Rays the game, 4-3.

A.J. Burnett‘s start was indicative of his season to date. At six innings, three earned runs it was technically a quality start, but it was yet another stat where Burnett hasn’t dominated. Six innings, three runs is fine if it’s mixed with a few eight innings, one run performances. Those we have not seem from A.J. yet. They’ll come eventually, but the Yanks could sure use a few right about now, with Jorge Posada out and the offense struggling to string together hits.

That’s not to say that he pitched badly. Through five he was going just fine. Maybe a tick high with the pitch count, but he’d allowed just one run, a forgivable one. A B.J. Upton infield single, a steal, a sac, and an Evan Longoria double are just parts of baseball. As long as it happens just once, no biggie. But then the sixth happened. It started with what looked like a strikeout of Pat Burrell, but was actually a walk. Single, sac, sac fly, single puts the Rays up 3-0. With the Yanks offense, the prospects weren’t promising.

The Yankees haven’t hit well with runners in scoring position lately. That was not as big a problem last night, because they didn’t have many runners to not drive in. Through seven innings Andy Sonnanstine retired the side in order five times. He did it quite economically, too, tossing just 84 pitches through the first seven. Little did he know that the eighth, with the bottom of the order due up, would be his undoing.

With one out Ramiro Pena found himself in an 0-2 hole. The rookie managed to foul off three and take two balls before getting a pitch he liked. That went to right for a single. Then Jose “Double or Nothing” Molina went the other way and put runners on second and third with one out. That was the night for Sonnanstine. After a Johnny Damon walk Mark Teixeira, 0 for 3 on the night to this point, stepped in. How the umps didn’t call a delay right there I don’t know, but they refrained and Tex took advantage, smacking a bases-clearing double to tie the game. Then, of course, the umps called for the tarp. But the Yankees were back. It was one of the best feelings from the past five days. It wouldn’t last.

After Mo quelled injury worries by striking out the side, the Yanks put runners on first and second with one out, but Pena and Molina could not deliver this time. Then disaster struck in the form of the AL home run leader. It was Coke’s only mistake, but it came at a terrible time. That was the difference, as the Yanks couldn’t plate Johnny Damon after he doubled with one out in the bottom of the 10th. Rays 4, Yanks suck. That’s exactly what it felt like.

On the upside, both Edwar and Albaladejo got the job done in signature fashion. Edwar induced two grounders and struck out two, while Albaladejo made ’em put the ball on the ground. It’s only one appearance, but we’ll take that from the bullpen right now. They kept the Yanks in it, something they’ve had trouble doing all year. Other than that, though, there’s not much to be happy about. We can complain about the umps all we want, but that wasn’t the difference here. (Okay, maybe the Pena blown call turns into something, but it’s just as likely that Molina bounces into a twin killing right there.)

We’ll have to wait one more day for a win. Hopefully this forsaken rain won’t be an issue, but looking at the forecast it probably will be. Andy Pettitte will try to revive his old role as stopper. And think, just two more sleeps until A-Rod.

If you want something to cheer you up after last night read this. Hat tip YFSF.

Game 27 Spillover Thread IV
The spring of our managerial discontent
  • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt ACTY

    :(

    This one was a toughie. Get ’em tomorrow, boys. Swisher’s on-base streak is done, too. :(

  • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Aunt Becca-Optimist Prime

    Somewhere here there’s an apt metaphor for the rain that won’t fucking stop and U2 playing “It’s a Beautiful Day” on my playlist…

    • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt ACTY

      Or “Who Will Stop the Rain?” by CCR.

    • BigBlueAL

      We cant get a drop of rain down here in Miami. Not only has the new stadium been filled with bad publicity, its been leveled by awful weather.

  • BigBlueAL

    Damon doubled in the 10th and immediately went to 3rd on a wild-pitch. With 1 out. With Tex and Matsui to follow vs the one of the worst closers in baseball in Percival.

  • Drew

    This was a hard one, while I agree with Joe on the first line, eventually, this frustration will turn to anger. We can only hope we get it figured out before that is the case. Overall a tough loss, it’s easy to forget about the previous game(s) when you play good ball, but these Sac-fly failures are beginning to mount.
    Where for art thou Alex?

    • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Aunt Becca-Optimist Prime

      It’s already turned to anger.

      • Drew

        Yeah, I initially was angry too, after some time I get a grip and only hope that tomorrow will be better.

      • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt ACTY

        I’m incredibly patient in just about every walk of life (except softball…I don’t think I walked once last season…how ironic?) but my rope is starting to run out. I give it another week or so before I freak out.

  • dkidd

    i love this team and believe they will start to click, but right now i wish they were on the road. somewhere warm and dry where the fans make noise

  • Derby

    How long do you give the yankees until they seriously start to consider firing gerardi and eiland. If I had to choose, it would be eiland. I’d understand if it was one pitcher, but it seems like it is EVERY pitcher that is struggling. Every at bat seems to be 2-0 or 3-1. The pitchers seem to be lacking a lot of control and they are afraid to attack the strike zone. I know the pitchers haven’t been complaining, but they probably don’t want to publicly criticise one of their coaches either and they don’t want to make excuses. But its apparent that eiland is not doing his job.

  • 2 Time Champ, Clay Bellinger

    I can’t remember being more frustrated as a Yanks fan. Even through the 11-19 and other slow starts we’ve had recently. Hopefully Andy can get this turned around in tomorrow’s game, which I’ll be attending (weather permitting).

    • Rich

      Even after losing the 2004 ALCS?

      • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Aunt Becca-Optimist Prime

        That wasn’t frustration. That was pure, unbridled anger.

        • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt ACTY

          For me, it was just dumbfounded shock.

        • Rich

          I’m angry that the roster construction is awful, and that the players, especially against Boston, seem to doubt their ability to win.

          They can’t be this bad.

          • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt ACTY

            How is the roster construction awful? I’m so sick of this argument. The only complaint I can see now is carrying the extra pitcher with Posada being on the DL.

            • Brooklyn Ed

              Yep, Miranda does need to be up to pinch hit for Molina. I don’t care he’s a rookie and unexperience. We are one man short of the bench right now.

              • Brooklyn Ed

                Let me rephase it, Miranda is killing in AAA and its time to see what he does on a ML level.

                • EB

                  Miranda as a PH? Not a good fit, he’ll get a loogy every time and we know he cant hit LHP but mashes righties

            • Rich

              Seriously?

              Not the 25 man roster, the 40 man.

              They spend over $200 million (more including the mLs) yet they have no credible depth at C, 3B, the middle INF, and no SLG ML ready OFer that can be brought up if needed.

              I’m sick that I have to explain that.

              • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt ACTY

                Injuries don’t mean that the team doesn’t have depth or the roster is constructed poorly.

                have no credible depth at C,

                Jose Molina is probably the best backup catcher in baseball. He’s not a great starter but Posada’s injured.

                3B,

                Except, you know, the best third baseman in baseball who’s about to come off the DL and a young guy who can field real well and has shown he can at least handle himself and not be overwhelmed at the MaL level.

                the middle INF,

                Why do they need this? Jeter seems to be healthy right now and if he needs a day or two off, Pena can easily spell him, especially when A-Rod comes back.

                no SLG ML ready OFer that can be brought up if needed.

                And who would he replace? Damon’s hitting pretty well, Melky’s hitting very well, and Swisher is hitting very well, too. What’s your point here? That player would be brought up to sit on the bench. If you wanted, you could probably send two pitchers down and bring up Duncan and Miranda as a RPH and LPH, but only one will probably be necessary.

                I’m sick that I have to explain that.

                And I’m sick that I have to keep explaining that the only reason it seems like the Yankees don’t have depth is because guys got injured. Molina is a fine back up. Pena is a decent utility infielder. Once Nady comes back, he’ll be an excellent fourth outfielder, considering he could start more teams than not. What other team wouldn’t be playing the same way if they had injuries to a solid bullpen guy (Bruney), their starting catcher (Posada, probably the best offensive catcher since Piazza), their opening day RF (Nady), and their absolute best offensive player (Swisher) along with their two best pitchers struggling (CC and A.J.)? What team would be playing well with all that shit going down? I’d say the fact that the Yankees are only one game under .500 speaks to the fact that they’re constructed just as well as most other teams.

                • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt ACTY

                  As for the 40-man, the Yankees have a decent defensive catcher up at the ML level now who’s shown he has some OBP skills (Frankie C), they’ve got Jesus Monteroplay and Austin Romine developing as well.

                  Sure, they don’t have anyone ready to take over at third but whoever’s playing third in the Yankees’ system is gonna be blocked for the next 8 1/2 seasons so does that really matter?

                  It’s unlikely that DJ’s replacement is in the system right now but that’s a bridge we won’t have to cross for, what? 2-3 years? Cano doesn’t need a replacement any time soon, either.

                  Austin Jackson may not be a slugger but I think he’ll still be decent. The Yankee OF may not be very powerful in the immediate future, but it won’t be all that bad. Next year, an alignment of Damon (or someone else) in left, Jackson in CF, and Swisher in right would be fine w/me, considering the offense in the IF and the defense that OF would provide, along with pitching depth. The Yankees have plenty of young arms. Plenty.

                • Drew

                  Damn son, you went to work on that post like you’re done with school or something. Ahhh I’m so jealous, only a few days left for me…

                • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt ACTY

                  Yeah, I’ve got no finals tomorrow so I’m checking out for a day.

                • Rich

                  They do when the ML roster has so many aging players, thereby making the possibility of injuries foreseeable.

                  C

                  Given that the organization wasn’t even sure that Posada would be back by the start of the season, and that the offense relies so much on Posada’s offensive production, having a backup catcher with a career 62 OPS+ is suboptimal.

                  3B

                  Having depth doesn’t mean that there needs to be an A-Rodian replacement. It means having a replacement that isn’t at risk of being an offensive void, especially when the backuup C is also an offensive void. Remember that primary depth was Ransom who is subreplacement level.

                  Middle INF

                  Because depth isn’t only for what is, it’s for what could be. Having quality depth means being able to compensate for most contingencies, again, especially when the SS is in his mid-30s.

                  No SLG ML ready OFer that can be brought up if needed.

                  Damon actually played the last week with a shoulder injury he sustained in Fenway, and until the last couple of games his production had plummeted. If there had been a ML ready OFer who could SLG, he could have been recalled to spell Damon for a week or two.

                  Again, my point, which you seem to be repeatedly missing, is that the purpose of depth is be able to respond to almost any contingency.

                  I’m sick that I have to explain that.

                  Cool. I am of the opinion that an organization with the Yankees’ abundant resources and so many aging players should be able to have sufficient depth to account for foreseeable contingencies.

                  But because they spend so much on high end players and so little on bench players, and because they haven’t done a good enough job of drafting position players, they have an unbalanced roster.

                • Rich

                  As for your 40 man roster comments, you actually made my point. There is almost no ML ready depth.

                  Let’s see how much Cervelli plays. He is almost certainly not ML ready offensively, but I’d like to see him get PT because I’m not nearly as high on Molina as you are.

                  Montero is several years away.

                  I have already discussed the void in the middle infield.

                  They will almost certainly have to sign a veteran FA OFer who can SLG in the offseason, which means that they will likely have to overpay yet another aging player at some point in the future in the decline phase of his career.

                  But this discussion isn’t about next year, it’s about the here and now.

                • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt ACTY

                  Given that the organization wasn’t even sure that Posada would be back by the start of the season, and that the offense relies so much on Posada’s offensive production, having a backup catcher with a career 62 OPS+ is suboptimal.

                  And who would you suggest they go get? Guys aren’t going to sign to be Jorge’s back up. Rushing guys through the rungs of the minors isn’t going to help anything.

                  Having depth doesn’t mean that there needs to be an A-Rodian replacement. It means having a replacement that isn’t at risk of being an offensive void, especially when the backuup C is also an offensive void. Remember that primary depth was Ransom who is subreplacement level.

                  Obviously the dude doesn’t have to be A-Rod…no one’s going to be. Sure, Ransom was the plan and it didn’t work. I’d say as of right now, Ramiro Pena has proven he’s not a complete waste with the bat and contributes a lot more with the glove than Ransom can (and could probably be a better defender than A-Rod). They’ve got to deal with him starting for how much longer? A week? Maybe? Just because Ransom didn’t work out doesn’t mean they’re not deep enough there.

                  Because depth isn’t only for what is, it’s for what could be. Having quality depth means being able to compensate for most contingencies, again, especially when the SS is in his mid-30s.

                  Hi, I’m Ramiro Pena. Have I not been talked about enough at this point?

                  Damon actually played the last week with a shoulder injury he sustained in Fenway, and until the last couple of games his production had plummeted. If there had been a ML ready OFer who could SLG, he could have been recalled to spell Damon for a week or two.

                  He had a down week. Guys have down weeks, especially if they’re playing with a little pain. Why for a week or two? Damon’s clearly not hurt that much that he would need a replacement for a DL stint.

                  Again, my point, which you seem to be repeatedly missing, is that the purpose of depth is be able to respond to almost any contingency.

                  I’d say the Yankees have responded as best they could. People keep acting like replacement players should be playing like all starts and not what they are–replacement players.

                  Cool. I am of the opinion that an organization with the Yankees’ abundant resources and so many aging players should be able to have sufficient depth to account for foreseeable contingencies.

                  Do they have pitching depth in the minors? Yes, they do. Have they dealt with injuries to their starting catcher, their starting third baseman, their starting right fielder, and their second best bullpen pitcher as well as they could? Yeah, I’d say they have. If the Sox lost Lowell for a month, Drew for 6-8 weeks, Varitek for 2-3 weeks (well…), Delcarmen for however long Bruney’s going to be out…they’d be in a similar position.

                  But because they spend so much on high end players and so little on bench players, and because they haven’t done a good enough job of drafting position players, they have an unbalanced roster.

                  Yeah, they’ve done a pretty poor job with drafting position players but that’s something that can be fixed and is somewhat offset by the fact that they’ve been pretty good at drafting pitchers of late.

                  As for the last point, would you rather they spend money on bench players rather than high end talent? Why do people complain about this? The bench is inherently cheap, you don’t need to spend money on it and get the “big” names. Guys like Jim Edmonds or Mark Grudzihardtospell aren’t going to sign on to start for a month then be relegated to the bench. It just doesn’t make sense. The Yankees have, get this, bench players on their bench, just like every other team in the majors. When the Yankees get healthy, their bench and depth will look a whole hell of a lot better.

                • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt ACTY

                  As for your 40 man roster comments, you actually made my point. There is almost no ML ready depth.

                  Just because guys haven’t developed yet doesn’t mean the Yankees have crazy depth issues. They have a fine back up catcher, a good guy for the UTI and once Nady gets healthy, the OF situation will look MUCH better than it currently does.

                  Let’s see how much Cervelli plays. He is almost certainly not ML ready offensively, but I’d like to see him get PT because I’m not nearly as high on Molina as you are.

                  I’m not high on Molina at all. I’m very worried about the team if Posada misses more than two weeks (I’ve said so like four times) but he’s still a good back up for when Posada is healthy. Cervelli will probably play what? Once a week? Regardless, both guys are place holders til a) Jorge gets healthy or b) Montero and Romine develop sufficiently or c) the Yankees go outside the org. and sign Joe Mauer when the time comes (that would be nice, wouldn’t it?)

                  I have already discussed the void in the middle infield.

                  And one of the middle IFs won’t need a replacement for 10 years. Chances are, the Yankees aren’t going to develop Jeter’s replacement because, well, he’s just that rare a player. As of right now, this second, today, they have someone who can serviceably (sp?) play SS or 2B or 3B if need be–Pena. He’s not a long term solution at SS but he’s a decent guy to have as a back up, which is probably his ceiling. There’s also Kevin Russo who I think could be a suitable ML replacement player like Pena. There’s also young guys like Corona or Lassiter or Adams who just need a little time to develop.

                  They will almost certainly have to sign a veteran FA OFer who can SLG in the offseason, which means that they will likely have to overpay yet another aging player at some point in the future in the decline phase of his career.

                  Or they could give Damon a short deal which wouldn’t be too awful, considering their offense at other positions. The Yankees can definitely make up for the lack of a power hitting corner OF by the fact that they have above average offense at third base, first base, second base, and shortstop (yes, even if DJ is declining, he’s still an above average hitting SS). They could run a scenario Jamal brought up a few days ago: go with a younger, defensively talented OF of SwisherMelky/Jackson/SwisherMelky and sign Ramirez to DH (if he opts out) so he’s not really hurting anyone in the field. Yes, he’s getting older, but he’s really showing no signs of stopping offensively. They could also sign another younger guy like Carl Crawford (or trade for him if/when Tampa picks up his option) to fill the OF position. Like Damon, he may not hit the cover off of the ball, but he’s got the defense and speed to make up for it.

                  You say your’e more worried about the here and now but I think your concern should be the long term (I’m a little more worried about it now). The Yankees can deal with injuries to players now and have forseable contingency plans–we’re seeing them enacted. The only reason they look so bad is because they’re playing a lot longer than they should be. Ramiro Pena shouldn’t be starting but he is because A-Rod is hurt. Jose Molina isn’t starting but he is because Posada is hurt. Nick Swisher is playing better than Xavier Nady probably would be (like we all thought he would) and Nady will be a better 4th OF option than Brett Gardner when he comes back. The Yankees have contingency plans for the here and now.

                • jsbrendog

                  yeah because every team has 5 major league starting capable outfielders, 2 major league capable starting catchers, 5 lights out bullpen guys who never falter, and a untility infielder who should be starting somewhere else. yeah good job.

                  pick a major league team. any team. remove their starting catcher. put in their backup. remove their starting rf. put in their backup. remove their starting 3b, put in their backup. then take their aces, 1 and 2 starters, and say theyre struggling. yeah youre right, theyd still be winning cause they have depth and the yankees dont.

                  i hate reading these comment sections more and more recently. woo saaaa woo saaa

        • Drew

          I was friggin pissed too, I had to watch the whole debacle of ’04 in Miami at school with a bunch of RedSox band-wagoners and Yankee haters. That was brutal.

          • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Aunt Becca-Optimist Prime

            My roomate was a Sox fan.

            We didn’t talk to each other after that.

    • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Aunt Becca-Optimist Prime

      The frustration here is that it’s the same thing that’s happened each of the past few years.

      And we’re sick of it.

      Hell, I’m “optimist prime” and I’m depressed enough to cry, though that might have more to do with the rain.

      • Jack P

        Your name is epic i love it…. and i almost cryed on the train ride home from the game… so many different emotions throughout.. i was so pissed :/

        • Jack P

          Edit: I didn’t mean literally cry… i was just really pissed!

      • ranger11

        To me that is the most frustrating thing about this year so far. This year seems like a carbon copy of last year or the year before. You have injuries, Arod controversy, bullpen inconsistency, problems with runners in scoring position, etc. I really thought they were going to get off to a great start this year. Like ’98 was to ’97 this year was going to be a big bounce back year. I don’t get it. Practically everything that can go wrong has gone wrong. Maybe it is a good thing that they are only one game under 500. It’s just that the losing has to stop soon. Hope the Arod return isn’t too big of a circus because they need him back big.

  • http://www.nicks2cents.blogspot.com Nick

    I know it sounds corny but a REAL key to breaking out of this funk is for everyone to start thinking positively.

    When the Yankees pull themselves out of their beds Wednesday morning, the calendar will read May 7. They will 5.5 games behind the 1st-place Blue Jays and 3.5 behind the Red Sox.

    They will be one (1) game under .500 despite not playing with one of the game’s premier offensive players and one of their most-consistent starters wasn’t ready for the start of the season and gave three games away before being sent to the DL.

    Bottom line – this is not the end of the world, because it could be so much worse.

    Does it hurt, to lose the way they have… Of course. What we DON’T need is negativity.

    Listen, fellow Yankee fans. Get your damn heads up. We are exactly 16.7% through the season. That’s 135 games left to make up those negligible deficits mentioned above… while key players like A-Rod, Chien-Ming Wang, Xavier Nady and Brian Bruney will all be coming back to the team within a few weeks.

    Think big picture: we are 27 games into an era that will prominently feature CC Sabathia, Joba Chamberlain, Phil Hughes, Teixeira, A.J. Burnett and others. You have a beautiful ballpark that you can be proud to sit in a couple times a year if you are lucky.

    Things are GOOD, these are not bad times.

    This woe-is-me attitude, looking for someone to blame, waiting for the other shoe to drop is a sad, pathetic way to go through fan-hood. The Red Sox did it for the better part of a century and most of us made fun of them for it.

    Don’t fall into the trap!

    • Babe’s Ghost

      “This woe-is-me attitude, looking for someone to blame, waiting for the other shoe to drop is a sad, pathetic way to go through fan-hood. The Red Sox did it for the better part of a century and most of us made fun of them for it.”

      Word…

      As a fan who survived the forty years the team spent wandering in the desert during the eighties and early nineties, I am ashamed to see this kind of panic and self-loathing among Yankees fans.

      It’s the first week in May. Wait until summer before you form an opinion about this team. I predict that in two months CC and Joba will be dominant, Arod and Tex will be terrorizing the AL, the team will be right in the thick of the playoff hunt and all this doom-mongering will seem silly.

      And if, perchance, on Sept 25th when we host the redsox for the final homestand of the season, we’re completely out of it we can always bring back that eighties favorite… battery night.

      • ranger11

        The eighties were fun days for a Yankee fan. I really thought Steve Trout was going to get the Yanks the pennant. I much prefer sock night.

        • BigBlueAL

          Trout was no Charles Hudson.

  • BigBlueAL

    I always go to read Pete Abe’s blogs but believe it or not never actually read the comments. But since I was bored tonight I clicked to read the comments on Pete Abe’s game recap post and some guy said to call up IPK, Tomko and Christian Garcia to the bullpen. WOW.

    • Brooklyn Ed

      that’s LoHud. that statment above is one of the reasons why I hardly post there nowadays is them going on a panic mode.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

      The idea that Brett Tomko is somehow the answer to the Yankees’ problems is simply laughable. There’s a reason why he’s 36 and pitching in AAA.

  • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

    You know, I’m not upset at all. I can’t get upset at Carlos Pena taking Phil Coke deep. Come on, it is Carlos frickin’ Pena. As for the losing streak on a whole, I don’t see us getting thrashed, it’s just that we’re coming up oh-so short – albeit in multiple areas. When you think about the reinforcements on the way, I just can’t get too down on how the team is playing.

    Who knows, maybe this is some of the jubilation of seeing Teixeira smack that two-out double as a torrent of rain befell me and my fellow Section 210 fanatics, but I am not at all “frustrated” or “disappointed” with the season thus far.

    • Rich

      You’re not even frustrated or disappointed by the injuries?

      • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

        How can anyone be? It’s not like someone is at fault for professional athletes getting hurt. Is it unfortunate and annoying? Sure, but not frustrating or disappointing.

        • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt ACTY

          They’re getting hurt ’cause they’re like Adam Dunn and they hate baseball and have no passion for the game.

        • Rich

          Frustration and disappointment, like virtually every human emotion, isn’t necessarily logical or rational.

    • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt ACTY

      but I am not at all “frustrated” or “disappointed” with the season thus far.

      Like I’ve been saying, not a lot of teams would only be one game under .500 after losing the types of players the Yankees have lost.

    • Drew

      I’m not frustrated with the season as a whole, I’m frustrated with the events of the past few games. As always, a win tomorrow will do wonders to quell those frustrations.

      • Bo

        The same Carlos Pena that we cut??
        Oh that guy

  • stuart

    I post on the ABraham site but I need to stop. We all come up with doozy comments on occasion but seriously that site has the dumbest most spoiled fans in the world..

    they complain, 2nd guess every move.

    they often talk about the not try angle you know the one when a guy fails they say it is because he does not care or is not trying.. you know the pedroia is a gamer and some other more fluid player does not try….

    right now nothing is going right, the 2 and 0 pitch to texiera was hittable for a sac, they pen cannot pitch a completely clean game, the starters are not domianting and using so many pitches to get thru the lineup that it hurts…

    arod and 1 guy added to the bench has to help….arod has never looked this good.. I get down also but then I think 16 % of the season done, tex hitting 205 and worse with RISP, CC over 5 ERA, etc this will change…

  • ranger11

    How is it up there in NY as far as Girardi is concerned? I used to read the NY papers everyday when I was there and I would think they would be having a field day with a Girardi watch or something like it. I became a Yankee fan during the late 70’s and by this point in the year Yogi had been fired in 85 and Lemon was gone in 82. Also, I think Bucky was gone sometime in May. Don’t know why Mo could’nt have pitched just one more inning.

    • Drew

      What’s a NY paper? Heh.. Most of the MSM up here is pretty negative and make baseless facts from shotty observations. The sane, intuitive, respectable NY media is underrepresented right now.

      • Drew

        **”make” should be “create” I think.

        • ranger11

          Yeah, I know. In a few years I’m going to have to explain to young children what a newspaper was back in my day. It’s weird getting old these days.

  • Jack P

    I went to the game tonight and sat with the bleacher creatures like usual (there isn’t any other way to do it) and plus i got row 10 for only 5 bucks on stubhub today!

    I stayed the whole game of course and when the rain was pouring on us… Tex shines a ray of light and we all went crazy… little did we know that Tex would not come through with a sac fly later on… all in all it was my first time in the new yankee stadium which was great… but a bittersweet ending.

  • Steve B Ball

    Goodbye Girardi and that stiff Eiland

    • Jack P

      Eiland needs to go and soon, I haven’t seen him to anything useful with our rotation/pen

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

        Joba Chamberlain says hello.

      • Tom Zig

        Yeah screw him and his horse he road in on. Lets have Mattingly be teh pitchin coach!

        • Bo

          If Chamberlain could get out of the 6th inning it would be nice. I think everyone here can work with Chamberlain and have him be successful. His job depends on getting the most out of the average guys which is the whole bullpen right now.

  • touchtoneterriost

    How is it AJ Burnett start not good because he went 6 innings but Joba was great because Joba went 5 1/3.

    Great Joba went 6 innings but lost and we lost the next day why…no one in the 7th and 8th inning.I’m for Joba as a starter but he’s 12 strikeouts are useless when he can only do it once every 4 days and lose when he goes 6 innings every start and throw 200 pitches in three innings.

    The Starters are at fault not the relievers.

    • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt ACTY

      Did you really just say 12 strikeouts every four days are useless? Is that you, John Kruk?

  • touchtoneterriost

    How is it AJ Burnett start not good because he went 6 innings but Joba was great because Joba went 5 1/3.

    Great Joba went 6 innings but lost and we lost the next day why…no one in the 7th and 8th inning.I’m for Joba as a starter but he’s 12 strikeouts are useless when he can only do it once every 4 days and lose when he goes 6 innings every start and throw 200 pitches in three innings.

    The Starters are at fault not the relievers.

    • Rob

      I’m glad someone else commented on this. I don’t really get how Burnett can get criticized for more innings, less runs and comparable strike outs to Joba when Joba was praised for what he did on Tuesday. I’d take a QS and 8 K’s to Joba’s start any day.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

      Find me the person in this thread who said that A.J. didn’t pitch well. Find it. Anywhere.

      • Bo

        Well, you do criticize him in the second paragraph for not dominating. Yea, he’s no Johan Santana or anything who dominates everytime out and would look real good in navy blue pinstripes but you can’t ask for dominating every start.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

          No, and I specifically did not ask for a dominating start every time out. I just asked for one in the first month. We have not seen it. For $82.5 million, I think one dominating start per month is a reasonable expectation.

          • Rob

            wait, A.J. Burnett didn’t give you a dominating start in Tampa? When he no-hit them for 7 innings? Granted that was 4 starts ago now but it meets your “one dominating start per month quota”. Outside of the Boston start, I think we’ve gotten pretty much what we paid for.

            I just don’t get why we can’t hold Joba to the same standards. He’s in the rotation now, when is his 8 inning, 1 run start coming? He’s only pitched 6 innings twice and 7 innings once. I don’t care if he has 12 strike outs a game, if he’s not pitching out of the 5th then he’s not being an effective starting pitcher.

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

              Touche on the A.J. point.

              Joba is clearly a different case because he’s a work in progress, while Burnett is a finished product. Of course you’re going to cut the 23-year-old slack where you do not a 32-year-old.

              • Whitey14

                I’ll chime in here because I can’t resist.

                Somebody needs to teach Joba what’s important. It’s not the strikeouts, for which he pumps his fist and gets all emotional (yes, the same as Papelbon and Rodriguez), it’s the victories, for which he has difficulty hanging around long enough to grab. He expends too many pitches (strikeout pitchers do have this tendency at times) for his outs. Sorry for stating the obvious.

                Every time one of these young guys gets overemotional on the mound, as Joba did on Tuesday, and doesn’t win, I certainly hope somebody gets in face to tell him how stupid he looked getting excited over a strikeout. It’s akin to a player sacking the second string quarterback when trailing by 35 points and doing a sack dance afterward. It just makes the player look foolish, no matter what uniform he’s wearing.

                Positive emotion in sports is fine, but many of today’s young players don’t seem to grasp that it should be associated with winning ball games (wars) instead of with strikeouts (battles).

                As a Sox fan, I lauged my ass off during the highlights and wondered aloud if Joba was still pumping his fist as the “L” was placed next to his name.

  • Tom Zig

    Ben, Mike, Joe

    Do you guys believe in the NY Pressure aspect being a contributor to our lack of success?

  • EDUB

    I’m not privy to Girardi’s clubhouse methodology but to me it looks like the Yankees aren’t having any fun up there. They are tense and everyone is feeling the burden of playing like shit and overcompensating for it. Its not just under Girardi, it was the last few years under Torre too. They get up in RISP opportunities and forget how to hit and get runners in.

    Maybe the team needs to get out and do something fun together like the pool tournament they had in ST or some other activity to bring the players closer and let everyone relax. Maybe if everyone is playing like they are actually enjoying themselves (a la Swisher) they can get some of the swagger back theyve been missing.

    Just a thought..

    • Bo

      teams never look like they are having fun when they are losing. when they are winning they look carefree and relaxed. fact of the game

  • EDUB

    Oh this to too for all the stat-heads to cheer you up

    http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/stat_minded_player

    • pat

      Haha,… Scutaro then struck out on three consecutive pitches.

  • Jonathan

    How can you enjoy yourself when you are getting out played and beat in virtually every facet of the game. Every starting pitcher that goes out there the fielders have to be thinking “so when are you gonna cough up a big inning and put us in a huge hole.” Sometimes (looking at you Wang and Joba) its the first inning, or its when we call on our horrible (not a strong enough word) bullpen.
    At the same time the pitchers keep the other team down, and sit on the bench and watch as we put men on base and never get them around to score. People are talking about Tex having a big moment last night…WE STILL FUCKING LOST…he is still batting around the mendoza line. Swisher is reverting to old .260 swisher, and cano is pressing because he thinks “well someone has to”. This team is a complete cluster fuck…and guess what “its only may.” soon it will be “it only june.” and then it will be who can we pick up at the trade dead line because we still suck!

  • V

    Pena was safe.

  • pat

    Again, no amount of proper roster construction can overcome the losses of Xavier Nady, Alex Rodriguez, CM Wang, Brian Bruney and now Jorge Posada. I just wish people could understand that. The fucking redsox are trotting out some combination of Julio Lugo/ Nick Green/ Jeff Bailey and John Van Every, yet they’re the deepest team in the AL. Get fucking real people, players are under performing in what has become some sort of yearly spring swan song. Girardi isn’t gitting 0 for the season w/risp. Brian Cashman isn’t going 5 innings of 4 run ball. The onus falls on the players they know what they have to do and they’re not performing, simple as that.

    • Bo

      The Sox also have a much better bullpen. Their rotation is better. Their system is deeper with higher level talent especially pitching. And they are doing this with their supposed best player hitting his weight with no homers. It’s not an accident or luck.

      You don’t fire 25 players.

      • pat

        2009 Starting Rotation ERA
        Boston- 5.73
        NYY- 5.54

  • Jake H

    Pena being safe on a close call could have changed the game. Then Molina has a sac fly and the Yanks win. It just seems like the Yanks can’t catch a break at times. But really if they win today and are .500 without their #2 starter, starting RF, future HOF(before he said he took roids), and primary setup guy along with their all star catcher I would be happy.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

      My only beef with the Molina scenario, as I said in the post, is that it’s just as likely that he bounces into a double play there. Just because he did hit a fly ball doesn’t mean he’d do the same with the bases juiced and one out.

      • MattG

        In that situation, where a DP is a killer, would we have seen Gardner?

        Can you imagine the Yankees squeezing?

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

          No, because Gardner was already in the game for Swisher.

          • Clayton

            But could Molina had laid down the bunt?

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

              Force at home, so it would have been a dicey proposition.

  • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

    Despite the 4 game losing streak, there are signs things of good things to come right around the corner. Alex comes back tomorrow, and his impact on the lineup will be substantial. Nady is also expected back in a few weeks, much sooner than initially reported, which will improve the lineup and bench on most nights.

    This team is built around its starters. When they put it together, they’re not going to need to score much and the bullpen will be much less of a factor. When the starters pitch like they’re capable, it will take the pressure off of everyone else. People forget that in April many of them are still building up their arm strength and pitch counts. CC’s recent starts have been getting better, he’s pitched well and just been left in the game a bit too long. In his last 2 outings he pitched to the 7th allowing only 1 run, only to be sabotaged by the bullpen allowing his inherited runners to score, making his line look worse than he pitched. Joba shook off the shaky start on Tuesday and was as dominating as we’ve ever seen him, including his time as a reliever. Andy and AJ have both been solid, and Hughes showed us in his first outing how good he can be. A stretch of good starting pitching appears to be right around the corner.

    We also have an easier stretch of the schedule coming up, with games against MIN, TEX, CLE and two series against BAL in May. All but TEX have losing records. We also play a 3 game set in TOR, and I’m still not sold on them. By June 1st, we have Posada, Bruney and Nady back on the team. Look for the starters and A-Rod to carry the team until then, and look forward to being at full strength come June, when we see TB, BOS and the Mets twice.

  • jon

    I wonder if taht ump is going to send swisher a card saying sorry for throwing you out on my bad call.

  • JobaWockeeZ

    We’ll have to wait one more day for a win. Hopefully this forsaken rain won’t be an issue, but looking at the forecast it probably will be.
    Actually I don’t think it’ll be much of a problem.

    http://www.weather.com/outlook/events/mlb/gameforecast/10451?eventid=292669&epc=be

  • MattG

    Where is the roster move to recall Miranda? Has it happened yet?

  • Bo

    Girardi has about 2 weeks left. They’ll give him 2 weeks with A-Rod and if they aren’t winning, hes a goner.

    • V

      Sure. Keep believing that, if it makes you feel better.

      Girardi’s not the reason they lost last night.

      Fans love to scapegoat managers, as if they’re the ones who aren’t able to hit a fly ball with a man on 3rd. As if they’re the ones not able to locate a pitch where it was supposed to go (though, Coke’s pitch was on the money, Pena just beat him).

      • MattG

        Girardi must start using Rivera. He is channeling what I hated most about Joe Torre. Use your best pitcher more, win more games.

        I know, its very hard to understand.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

          I still think they’re exercising the utmost caution with Rivera. I’m willing to bet he starts getting used more frequently by June.

  • Drew

    What’s with this damn rain? We need some dry weather, at least it’s warmer today.

  • http://www.myspace.com/sloanbruno69 Bruno

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/05/brayan-pena-clears-waivers.html

    I’m VERY surprised the Yanks didn’t snatch him up. Veras SHOULD be DFA’d anyway, he SUCKS. DeLaRosa, Mike Dunn, or Hacker wouldn’t have been missed either, IMO. Maybe they could work out a trade?

    • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt ACTY

      The guy has a 50 OPS+ for his career. Worse than Jose Molina.

  • Hobbes

    I was watching the end on gameday, and it looked like Tex’s fly ball in the 10th might have been deep enough to have Damon at least try to score. Anyone who saw the game confirm or deny?

    • Tampa Yankee

      No it wasn’t.

      • Hobbes

        Thanks. That sucked.

    • V

      Too shallow.

  • Joe R

    Guy threw a laser to 2nd when Damon hit a double into RF corner. He easily wouldve had him at home unless it was some poor offline throw.

    • Joe R

      Woops. Supposed to be a replay above.

  • Voice Of Reason

    Quick question. Do you Yankee fans still think it was smart of Cashman not to trade for Johan? That trade would look horrible right now for the Twins ” not as bad as the Mets trade” Hughes,Kennedy and Melky? LOL. LAUGHABLE.
    This is what is wrong with the Yanks. Cashman is a horrible GM. Signing a high priced high profile free agent takes little or no skill. Most of you people can make deals like that. Making that trade that brings great talent and makes your team much better is what seperates the great GMs from the loser GMs like Cashman.
    Also chew on this, Cashman chose Nady over Bay. Game over !
    No bullpen,no bench, no chance.

    • Nady Nation

      How the hell did Cashman “choose” Nady over Bay? The Red Sox gave up Manny Ramirez to get Jason Bay. MANNY RAMIREZ.

    • Kelvz

      Sigh..

      Do you really think it would be just Hughes, IPK, and Melky?

      IF we did trade for Johan, then there would most likely no CC and\or Tex.

      IF we did trade for Johan, what could assure that he would pitch just as good and not suck? How about the contract? What would assure one that Hughes, IPK, Melky or whoever we traded would not live up to expectations as of today?

      I don’t think it was Nady OR Bay. Bay, if I am not mistaken, would cost more. Correct me if I am wrong.

    • pat

      Hahah, I guess you’re unaware of how Molina and Swisher were acquired, or that Boston had that Manny guy to help out in the Bay trade. Other than that, spot on. Keep up the good work.

  • STEVE B BALL

    Girardi is supposed to be a fiery manager….. why is it that I don’t even see a spark?????

    • pat

      He definitely didn’t get thrown out of a game this week, definitely not.

      • Kelvz

        He should have taken away with him the home plate, or broke some bats, or kicked some coolers, or gone angry and turned green. Not doing that = no spark.

  • JobaWockeeZ

    Quick question. Do you Yankee fans still think it was smart of Cashman not to trade for Johan? That trade would look horrible right now for the Twins ” not as bad as the Mets trade” Hughes,Kennedy and Melky? LOL. LAUGHABLE.
    We can’t look in the future. Melky was good back then as well with IPK and Hughes. But of course unrational idiots like you think that we should see the future.

    And the bench is a really bad arguement. It’s a scapegoat really. If you’d know anything, you’ll see that injuries killed our bench. We’re not going to have a back up plan for a back up plan for a back up plan. You think you’re smart but Cashman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You.

    • pat

      I’m a little pissed Cashman didn’t have a backup plan to backup the plan disguised as another up plan.

      • Kelvz

        I’m pissed that Cash didn’t had the ability to see the future, and cure cancer, and prevent swine flu, and stop the rains.

  • MattG

    In my alternate universe, Damon leveled Navarro just as the ball arrived, then rolled over home plate to tie the game.

    Then he was placed on the DL with a dislocated shoulder. Right now, Yankees lose in every universe.

  • ron

    Ok the real problem with this team is that our scouting is bad .
    WE never seem prepared with pitchers we face. Everybody we face looks like a 20 game winner . Kevin Long has to go. Also maybe our pitcher can thrown inside and get these batters off the plate, I think its time for a new pitching coach as well . And also play as a team enough with the three run homeruns. Small ball gets you going . Stop blaming Cashman he gave you two good pitchers this year and a top notch player in Tex. Be patient things will work out .

  • JP

    I don’t see the Yankees winning more than 85-90 games this year. They have enough talent to win that many, but let’s face it they look bad. When Posada gets back, there is no guarantee he’ll stay healthy; chances are, him being a 37 year old catcher, he won’t. They need a player to CARRY the team. They need some offensive player who hits like a beast and has a big year. There don’t seem to be any Yankee hitters capable of doing this…A-Rod, yes, but his problem is that good pitchers don’t seem to have trouble with him. Same with Cano. Matsui, Jeter, Damon, they just look old. They will get their share of hits, but you need someone who is blistering the league, or a couple of guys who are consistently very good to win 95 games. I don’t think the Yankees have that. You can do it with 2 stopper pitchers, too, but it’s looking like we don’t really have that, either.

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