Jun
07

2009 Draft: Purke wants Porcello money

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Over at the Draft Blog, Keith Law reports that prep southpaw Matt Purke is looking for “Rick Porcello’s deal” in next week’s draft. Porcello received a Major League contract that included a $3.58M signing bonus and $7.285M in guaranteed money as part of the largest contract ever given to a high school pitcher when he was the 27th overall pick in 2007. The Yanks have been connected to Purke in recent weeks because he’s a big name prospect likely to fall, but that kind of money is a bit ridiculous. He’s good, but he’s no Porcello. Thankfully, it’s just a negotiating ploy.

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  • Doug

    Mike, based on your last statement, you think they’re bluffing?

  • Accent Shallow

    Major league deals to HS kids? Super yikes.

    • Drew

      That means that they are added to the 40 and have to be called up after 3 years, right?

      • Accent Shallow

        The ML deal means addition to the 40 man. Once you’re added to the 40 man, you have three MiL options, so he’d have to stick in the majors by 2012. (Or 2013, but I believe that an option would be burned if he signs the deal and isn’t immediately added to the 25 man)

        • Drew

          Ah true. Thanks.

        • Ed

          You can cheat a little on the options, if you don’t care about playing time this season. The minor league seasons end in the beginning of September, so you sign the player at the August 15th deadline then option them down to the team who’s season ends first. If the season ends less than 20 days after he’s optioned down, then it doesn’t use up an option.

          The Yankees did that with Brackman. He spent all of last year on the 60 day major league DL. So this season is actually his first option year.

    • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

      Porcello was a HS kid, Seton Hall Prep.

      • V

        And was MUCH better than Purke.

        • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

          I get that confused myself all the time. Whenever I hear “Seton Hall” I think of the College.

      • Accent Shallow

        Yeah, but giving Major league deals to HS kids seems like such a bad idea, although it’s worked out thus far in the case of Porcello.

        Not every kid is gonna treat the minors like Phil Hughes.

        • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

          I don’t disagree, just saying that in the context of talking about Porcello vs Purke, they are both HS products.

          I think Porcello had a much better build, however. Purke is very skinny and more prone to breaking down, so there’s a distinction that could/should hold Purke’s value down.

          Also, Pocello signed during a go-go economy. This year is anything but. Prices should come way down, and I doubt anyone but the Sox and Yanks will be spending as usual.

          • Patch

            GREAT Statement.

            The economy was TOTALLY different when Porcello signed.

            BTW, the Tigers drafted him right before our pick, correct?

            Am I remembering correctly?

  • james

    If this is true then I dont want him with our first round pick. He would have all the leverage because we have to sign our first runder this year or lose the pick completely

  • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

    Purke a Boras guy?

    If he was, that might actually enhance his signability. Boras demands the moon, but his clients (not named Gerrit Cole) generally sign.

    • anonymous

      :slams fist into desk:

  • V

    Pass in the 1st and 2nd rounds and hope he slips to the 5th?

  • V

    Or take Gibson in the 1st and hope Purke falls to the 2nd, and risk losing the 2nd rounder?

    Can’t waste the 1st rounder on him though.

    • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

      That’s possible. I doubt teams will look to spend big this year with the bad economy, and we pick ahead of the BoSox in the 2nd round with no picks for either team in between.

  • Jake H

    If he is there I saw you go for it. HS pitcher usually take the money in the first round because they are always 1 pitch away from blowing their arm out or shoulder.

    College coaches don’t care if they pitch a guy into the ground. They are there to win games.

  • Reggie C.

    So that makes it TWO high schoolers in this draft that are now on the record of saying they want “Rick Porcello” money. Purke’s definitely gonna scare off teams with that kind of language.

    • John

      *******************
      Reggie C. says:

      June 7th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
      So that makes it TWO high schoolers in this draft that are now on the record of saying they want “Rick Porcello” money. Purke’s definitely gonna scare off teams with that kind of language.”
      ********************

      I hope so, he already signed with TCU… we could use that arm for the next 2 years. GO FROGS!!

  • http://www.retire21.org Mike R. – Retire 21

    Me:You are Damon Oppenheimer. Purke and Gibson are available. With the #29 pick in the 2009 MLB draft the New York Yankees select…

    klaw: Gibson. I am not paying Purke what he wants and I’m not risking the unprotected pick.

    • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

      Interesting. Yanks do have their backs to the wall with the pick, so signability is huge.

      Same goes for the 2nd Round, which was the Bittle comp pick. Though if the Yanks signed their 1st Rounder, they could afford to lose their 2nd a little more.

    • Doug

      Slade Heathcott. 5 tools and according to ESPN’s blog today: “Best Defensive Prep Outfielder”

      • V

        I’d be cool with Heathcott, but I prefer high ceiling pitchers to defensive outfielders with ‘tools’.

        • Doug

          agreed, but he’d cost less and he has no signability concerns

          • V

            True.

            Gibson or Heathcott, which would you take?

            • Doug

              That’s real tough. If you believe that Gibson will be fine after his stress fracture heals, I’d probably go with him. Really gotta trust your doctors with this one.

            • http://www.retire21.org Mike R. – Retire 21

              I lean towards Gibson. He is more highly regarded by talent evaluators across the board. A stress fracture is not a big deal, but in these cases you doctors are your best friends.

      • http://www.retire21.org Mike R. – Retire 21

        I love Slade Heathcott.

        • CB

          I wonder if all of these questions on his “personal make up” are just gross inferences from the fact that his parents are who they are. I’ve heard a lot about his parents but nothing specific about he himself being a problem.

          • Doug

            me neither

          • anonymous

            In his interview with NoMaas he was polite as a princess. Normally I take over compensation for attitude to mean hes a dirt bag.

  • CB

    Sounds like the kind of demands agent start floating before the draft in order to get their kids to fall and get taken by a larger market team.

    Purke doesn’t look to go in the top 10. His best chance at a payday is to keep falling to the end of round 1.

    Now the interesting question on how far he’ll fall and whether or not the yanks need to take him at 29.

    • V

      If he’s floating $7M+, I can’t see a team other than the Sox taking him.

      That said, I think he signs on August 15th for $3.5M.

      • CB

        Agreed. And I have no idea if this is the case but can he really be even quasi-serious about a “Porcello-deal” given that he’s nowhere near that kind of prospect and the economy is awful?

        The only way he’s on that number is if he’s really wants to go to college. That hasn’t been the word.

        Maybe he has a handshake deal in place with a large market team that he’s trying to fall to?

        If the Yanks take him at 29 after this leak I’d say they probably know what it’s going to take to sign him and I don’t think it’ll be close to a Porcello deal.

        • V

          I’d actually prefer it if they waited til the 2nd.

          • CB

            Second would be ideal. I just don’t think Purke’s agent is floating that number as a serious demand unless the kid really wants to go to college.

            It seems like Matzek, Brown, etc. are all crowding Purke out. In another draft he’d probably go top 10.

            I can see the Yanks taking Gibson in round 1. At this time of year team massively over react to any kind of injury news (like Joba’s triceps tendinitis…).

            He’s going to fall and he’s probably going to sign.

            • http://www.retire21.org Mike R. – Retire 21

              Unless his parents are billionaires like Cole’s!!!!1!1!11

              • DocBooch

                Is that really the reason he didn’t sign and went to college instead? It would make sense if the money didn’t matter because that was the dumbest business decision I’ve heard in a long time.

    • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

      Agents do that all the time, but the really good ones still get taken at the top of the draft. The guys that fall usually have some question marks attached to them.

      • CB

        But Purke isn’t really in the top echelon of arms. He’s very good but this is a deep year for pitching.

        Purke’s not even the top lefty prep arm. Matzek is going to go ahead of him (particularly given that he’s been clocked at 96…)

        Matzek, Wheeler, Turner, and Miller are all going to go before Purke. And then there’s the college arms.

        Purke’s good but he’s not going before at least 5-8 other pitchers.

        • Doug

          for everyone’s info, klaw has him as the 12th best arm in the draft

          • CB

            That’s what I mean. From Purke’s perspective I’d guess he surprised that he’s not going to go higher than he actually will.

            How often is a left handed arm like that the 12th best in a draft?

            He may be thinking that getting picked in the middle of the first round would be an anomaly of this particular draft and it’s depth in pitching more than it is a “fair” reflection on his talent.

            As such his only way to get his perceived fair market value is to fall to the larger clubs.

            • Doug

              he’s lucky this draft is thin in top end positional talent or he’d be pushed down even further

  • http://www.retire21.org Mike R. – Retire 21

    Mike:

    My previous question still stands. Would it make more sense to draft Gibson over Purke given the small difference in upside and signability issues?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Yes, definitely.

  • Reggie C.

    Important question I hope Opp and Cash are asking:

    Who’s got the higher ceiling: Gibson or Hughes?? Could Gibson be ML ready in short order so to have a possible rotation of CC, Burnett, Joba, Gibson, and Hughes in 2011??

    • Reggie C.

      Isn’t that the best rotation in baseball??

    • Doug

      you’ve shipped off wang?

      • whozat

        Only way to get a high-end AA/AAA position player.

      • Reggie C.

        Yeah. He’s barely in the rotation as is.

        • Doug

          oh, i agree with you guys. he’s gotta finish out the year relatively strong if for nothing else than to build up his trade value

          • Some call me…tim

            More likely to be Wang than AJ…CMW’s confidence will be stronger than AJ’s constitution…

      • http://deleted RollingWave

        CC’s surely going to exercise his outclause unless disastor strikes

    • http://www.retire21.org Mike R. – Retire 21

      2011 sounds a bit soon. I don’t think Gibson makes the rotation after just one year of professional baseball. He should move fast, I just don’t think it’ll be that fast.

    • Accent Shallow

      At this point, shouldn’t you not be asking of ultimate ceiling, but likelihood of reaching said ceiling?

      Because Hughes has to be a lot closer to his, since he’s actually gotten major league hitters out. (To be fair, Hughes has only gotten MLB hitters out in fits and starts, but he has at least looked capable of just taking apart good lineups)

      • Reggie C.

        With Gibson , i think the org could have a pitcher who could be a front line ace. Likelihood? Its right there too. B/c Gibson has never had a monster heater like Strasburg, or an above average heater like Aaron Crow, the kid has a developed secondary offering of pitches.

        The college experience i think makes it more likely for Gibson to very good from the start. That’s not to take away from Hughes, since he didn’t get to pitch in college. Gibson simply has got a polished game now, and in a pro system …. damn…. I gotta control myself. Can’t get too worked up…

        • Doug

          Klaw: “He’s a first-rounder and a high-probability arm who should end up in the middle of a big league rotation in fairly short order.”

  • Tim

    http://yankees.scout.com/ says Jesus Montero is the fourth best prospect in baseball. Would you agree?

    • Doug

      bat, yes. full package, probably not because don’t think he stays behind the play. probably 10ish

    • Doug

      looking at it, the 3 ahead of him are in the majors. #1 guy right now in the minors….no.

  • Drew

    People are talking about Gibson as if he’s the next big thing. I mean, some people have pondered a spot in the rotation in two years. He gave up 6 hits to my college, Monmouth, a week ago. I’d slow down before we start adding him to our rotation in 2011.

    • Doug

      he was pitching with a stress fracture in his arm

      • Drew

        I don’t care if he pitched a perfect game with 27 K’s against my Alma Mater, assuming a guy will be MLB ready in 2 years is not only unlikely but also a bit naive. We’ve seen so many arms fizzle out in our system that I’m borderline pessimist on the subject.

        • Accent Shallow

          We’ve seen so many arms fizzle out in our system that I’m borderline pessimist on the subject.

          • whozat

            Thanks for fixing that. It’s just the nature of young pitching.

          • Drew

            True, I was just speaking from my experience following our prospects.

    • Accent Shallow

      Were you hitting? If so, I might be worried.

      • Drew

        heh…

  • Stryker

    i still say if gibson is available the yankees have to take him. if he can come back after this stress fracture and still show the pure stuff he’s got, i’d say he could rise fairly quick through the system (though he’d be no hughes/kennedy/chamberlain). definitely gives the yankees some flexibility with their high risk/high reward guys like brackman and betances as well as allowing mcallister to progress and develop.

    having a 100% healthy gibson in the system also could allow him or other top pitchers to be packaged for younger, better talent.

    i believe purke is asking for too much especially given his lower level of talent. not to say the guy’s a slouch but he’s nowhere near as projectable as porcello was/is. dude’s agent is gonna have to hypnotize a team into getting them to add him (a high school graduate!!) to their 40 man.

    • Stryker

      and in referring to the Big Three (do we still use that term ’round here anymore?) i don’t mean in terms of talent – i think gibson is much better than kennedy and about equal to hughes – i mean in terms of dominating and advancing through the minor leagues.

      • kSturnz

        Gibson sounds somewhat projectable too once he gains muscle mass on 6’6″ frame

  • Januz

    I have little doubt that Purke is in for a rude awakening if he thinks he is getting Porcello money AND a 40 man roster spot. He does not have Porcello’s ability, or Boras for an agent, and the economy is in rotten shape (When the Yankees are talking about a strict budget, and above average players like Bobby Abreu are taking cuts, it has to be taken into account). The one team I could see paying him is the Astros (He is from the Houston area, and he would have a chance to stay home. In addition, the Astros have an awful farm system, so it might make sense). The only way I see the Yankees drafting him, is in the 4th rounder (Or later), on a flier, or if he really wants to go to the Yankees and refuses to go to another team (Like Brett Marshall).

    • daneptizl

      Lulz, the Astros…

  • http://deleted RollingWave

    Gibson sounds more like a baseball name than Purke, go for it!

    • JohnnyC

      Is he related to Bob Gibson?

  • Patch

    Anyone know what time the draft starts, and how much time is allotted per pick?

  • Bo

    All it takes is one team to think his talent makes him worth the dough. Don’t begrudge the kid and his people for asking for it.

  • Januz

    I do not begrudge anyone for asking for money. My problem is when people overplay their hand (See Jason Veritek). The star players will get their money (Strasberg will get is like Teixeira did in the offseason). But the non- A-Listers are the ones that will suffer. This is why a guy like Purke could drop like a rock.
    What makes this draft very interesting is the three day drafting period. This sets up very unique possibilities for teams. 1: It offers teams the opportunity to speak to possible draftees before they pick to gauge their interest (The Yankees did this with Chase Weemes before drafting him, and now it can be done overnight). 2: With a bad economy, you could actually see teams draft players just to block others from taking them, with no intention of signing the player. For example: Hypothetically speaking: If a guy like Purke fell into the 20s or later (I would not hesitate to draft him, just to keep him away from the Red Sox). It will be interesting.

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