Listless Yanks drop game, series to Nationals

Mitchell & Banuelos shine in losses
Cashman: All quiet on the Yankee front

There’s really no way to sugar-coat this week. There are no excuses, no reasons and no saying, “It’s still early.” But there will also be no calls for coaches, managers, general managers to get fired and need to start wondering about a shake-up. Everyone knows the Yankees just played a pathetic series against the Nationals, and no one is happy.

To truly understand what the Yankees did in getting blanked 3-0 last night and losing two in a row at home to the Nationals, we turn to ESPN’s research bureau. Here is what they say:

  • The Nationals entered their series with the Yankees with a 16-45 record (.262 win percentage). They are the worst team to beat the Yankees in a series in which the Yankees were at home (minimum 50 games into the season). The previous worst, 1939 St. Louis Browns (38-99).
  • The Nationals are the third-worst team to beat the Yankees in any series.
  • The 1996 Yankees lost a series on the road to the 13-46 Tigers (.220 win percentage).
  • The 2005 Yankees lost a series on the road to the 13-37 Royals (.260 win pct).

How do you spell pathetic? Y-A-N-K-E-E-S.

To quickly recap, the Yankees and Nationals hung around Yankee Stadium for nearly five-and-a-half hours before getting this one started. Apparently, the Yanks really wanted to play the Nationals. I guess they thought it would be an easy win. It was anything but.

Joba Chamberlain started, and while he wasn’t terrible, he wasn’t terribly good either. He threw six innings and gave up three runs. While that’s a quality start, he allowed 11 base runners to the Nationals and walked Wil Nieves with the bases loaded. He struck out six but threw just 60 of 100 pitches for strikes. It was a mediocre effort.

But the Yankees should have been able to score three runs against Craig Stammen, a pitcher with no career wins and 27.2 Big League innings under his belt. They could not. For the second night in a row, a no-name Nationals pitcher threw few pitches and mowed down the lethargic Yanks. They went 0 for 4 with runners in scoring position, and as the played-out cliché goes, they didn’t have much fight in them. I guess they really wanted to get on that flight to Miami.

As far as the standings go, this one doesn’t set the Yanks back another game. While Toronto won, the Red Sox and Rays did not. The big guns in the AL East are steady. But on the other hand, the Yankees just lost their second in a row to a team that hadn’t won two out of a three-game set since nabbing two from the D-Backs on May 8 and 9. They should have gained on their competitors but did not.

This loss too capped off an uninspiring and generally frustrating nine-game stretch. They blasted Johan Santana on Sunday but managed just two other victories during that span. They had first place in their grip, and they had an opportunity in Boston to put some distance between them and the Red Sox. Instead, they’ve dropped the ball.

On Friday night, the Yanks cruise into Miami to face a Marlins team nearly as bad as the Nationals. An ineffective Andy Pettitte —  4-2 over his last 9 outings but with a 5.33 ERA and a 1.82 WHIP — will take the mound. The Yanks and their fans are going to need that W and soon. This was an ugly, ugly week.

Game Notes: Last night’s was the first homerless game in new Yankee Stadium history…Brett Gardner is day-to-day after crashing into a very unforgiving plexiglass window in left center field. I was out bowling tonight, and everyone watching the game just stopped silently as the Yanks tended to their injured center fielder. It sounds as though the crash looked worse than it felt in the end.

Mitchell & Banuelos shine in losses
Cashman: All quiet on the Yankee front
  • John

    Yikes, this was a harsh recap Ben.

    It’s the best and worst thing about baseball. Anything is possible at any given time.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

      Honestly, I’m not sure what else we can say. At some point, those excuses don’t fly. As you say, anything might be possible, but the Yanks just scored two runs in 18 innings against two rookie pitchers on the worst team in baseball. The Nats had a team ERA of 5.34 before this set, and the Yanks managed 7 runs in 27 innings. The Yanks really have to be beating teams this bad.

      • John

        No, I agree 10000% with you on the pathetic games and lack of offense but I’m ready to move on because hopefully this inspires us to go on a prolonged tear. We are overdue for a good run again.

      • NaOH

        The Nats had a team ERA of 5.34 before this set, and the Yanks managed 7 runs in 27 innings. The Yanks really have to be beating teams this bad.

        I can’t disagree with this assessment, but to me the fact that the Yankees’ pitchers only gave up 9 runs to a decent offense which had been averaging about 4.5 per game is a good sign. Even in losses, I’m satisfied when there’s consistently decent pitching simply because the team’s offense is good enough that generally there will be ample run support.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    I sure hope they enjoy the flight to Miami tonight.

  • J

    okay new series same kind of bad team.

    lets hope for the best and lets go yankees!

    • jonathan

      Very different bad team, down in miami we are going to be facing some pretty good pitching. Johnson is really good, we are just lucking that we are not facing Nolasco too.

  • Anyone

    Atrocious!

    Let’s hope Andy Pettitte the starting Pitchah wins one without having to “battle.”

    • JP

      Seems like a long, long time since that has happened.

  • Lanny

    Don’t worry. I’m sure some will sugar coat this series and continue the “tip your cap” mantra that the team and manager have been on.

    To ignore the serious flaws this team has is hiding your head in the sand. Unless we want to congratulate another SP for 3 runs in 5-6 innings like everyone did last night.

    Anyone think Boston loses 2/3 to Washington? Didn’t think so.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      No one thought the Sox would drop two to the Mets, either.

      They played like shit, absolutely, and there’s no sugar coating it. But serious flaws? A three game series in June does not a season make.

      • Andrew

        I thought you hated comparing the Yankees to Boston? Hmmm.

      • http://theyankeebomber.blogspot.com Conan

        How can you compare Mets and Nats? Mets are playing over .500 baseball and essentially took 2 of 3 from the Yanks if it weren’t for the infamous popup.

        I don’t see the Sawx dropping 2 of 3 to this Nats team. Nor do I see them scoring 7 runs on 19 hits in a series, either.

        • Mike Pop

          How can you compare Mets and Nats?

          Cause they are both bad baseball teams?

          Rimshot anyone?

          Ya, epic fail as a joke.

    • V

      Go back to SoSH.

    • Jamal G.

      Did anyone think the Red Sox would lose four out of six to the Mariners and an injury-ravaged Mets ballclub? Oh, and let’s not forget that Johan Santana, Felix Hernandez and Erik Bedard started a combined one out of those six games.

      • JP

        What difference does it make what the Red Sox do? The Yankees DO look bad. It doesn’t make me feel any better that the Red Sox lost games to the Mets and Mariners.

        • Mike Pop

          Ya, but the Yankees looked bad this week out of being the best team in baseball over the last month. While it is pathetic to lose a series to the Nats, shit like that is going to happen. It makes a difference what the Sox do because people here act like the Sox never go through a bad slump. It’s so silly.

          That’s baseball, why I didn’t think the Yankees were goin’ to sweep this series because that shit hardly ever happens, I definitely thought they would get the W on tuesday and thursday.

          Yankees will probably lose 64-69 games this season and they’re still goin’ to be a great team. The offense has been great this season and the pitching is gettin’ there. Once they both click, we will be in for some more fun.

          Like that earlier win streak this year, hmmm…. so long ago. Cause Mo forbid the Yanks have a bad week.

          • JP

            What would be your over/under for Yankee wins this season?

  • Jack P

    Finally a RAB article realizing we might not be as great as we all make the Yankees out to be.. we need to step up… or soon we are going to be dropped by the Sox.

    • Mike Pop

      Heh.

      The Yankees will win the East!

  • Will (the other one)

    Not too much more to say about this one–it really was a pretty sad game to watch.

    On the plus side, though, Chien-Ming Wang dropped his ERA today without even pitching…

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

      Yes. Hooray for him. It’s now 12.35 instead of 12.60.

      I’m happier to hear that Pedroia lost a hit and an RBI.

  • Stryker

    man..RAB readers are ready to jump off the ledge aren’t they?

    was it a shitty game? you bet. will mike francessa have a field day tomorrow? absolutely. is it the end of the world? absolutely not.

    so joba wasn’t effective at all and the offense was asleep. cool – that happens to every team. does it suck that it was against the worst team in the major leagues? sure it does. but at least it happened against the nationals and not the rays or another division rival. yeah, these are games the yankees probably should have won. but it’s not like the season ends tonight. tomorrow is another day and another game. that’s the beauty of baseball – there’s always tomorrow.

    • Andrew

      People like you completely miss the boat, IMO. No one is saying its the end of the season, but this team deserves to be blasted for its recent play right now, stop trying to prevent that.

      • Stryker

        this team doesn’t deserve anything. chances are they’ve got more talent in their collective small toe than any of us do in our entire bodies — or we wouldn’t be sitting and having this discussion right now. so who are you to “blast” the team for the way they played?

        while the nationals may be the laughing stock of pro baseball, their offense was still a threat coming into this series. couple that with 2 pretty strong outings against 2 questionable yankee starters and an uncharacteristically impatient offense and you get this result.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

          2 questionable yankee starters

          Chien-Ming Wang and who was the other? You’re not talking about the Yanks’ 2nd best starter this year, right?

          • Andrew

            I’m Joba’s biggest fan, and he’s been extremely questionable this year.

            Now, he probably has been the 2nd best starter on the team, but that’s not much of a compliment.

            • Stryker

              on a team that has a starting rotation of cc sabathia, the 2008 leader in strikeouts in burnett, a 54 game winner in wang and a 15 year veteran who has thrown over 2,000 innings and over 2,000 Ks and pitched to a 116 ERA+ for his career (pettitte obviously)…and this guy (joba) being the 2nd best starter on that team when he’s only been a major league starting pitcher for not even 1 full year? i’d say that’s a hell of a compliment.

              • Andrew

                Um, brah, I was talking about performance this year. Not his performance over his entire career.

                LOL

          • Stryker

            as far as joba goes i’m using the word questionable in the extreme short term – mainly this game and his last start against the mets.

            i’m not trying to discount him whatsoever, but he’s hardly been efficient as of late – which has been hurting him.

            • Let’s Talk About Tex Baby

              Joba’s actually had quality starts in 5 of his last 7, not counting the game where he left in the 1st after getting hit with the line drive. That’s an improvement over 2 of his first 5. I don’t think he’s pitched any better or worse than what should have been expected this year. The problem is that what would have looked like a great #5 now looks like a not-so-good #2 because of how badly Burnett, Pettitte and Wang have pitched.

  • http://theyankeeuniverse.com Moshe Mandel

    They were awful, and lost two games they most certainly should have won, but I’m not sure I agree with the idea that the effort was not there. Teams in hitting slumps look sluggish, it does not mean they were not trying. They just stunk. Not making an excuse for that, but I think questioning effort from my living room is a difficult thing to do.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

      Eh. I really questioned the effort only in the headline. It’s not really effort. It’s just some sort of cutthroat instinct. The Yanks should be able to down the Nationals in their sleep. That’s not the same as sleepwalking through a three-game set, which is seemingly what the team did this week.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

        I changed the headline. Your comment, Moshe, made me realize that it didn’t fit with the post once I actually completed it. Still, nothing to write home about from the Yanks.

        • http://theyankeeuniverse.com Moshe Mandel

          Definitely. I thought their approach to three starters that they were unfamiliar with was awful. They were awfully jumpy, uncharacteristic for a patient team, and I think all of the quick outs made them seem listless, which is probably the right word to describe their play this series.

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

            Mike and I were just talking about that actually. Do you think it’s an advanced scouting problem? I know these Nats pitchers don’t have much MLB experience, but the Yanks had no idea what to do at the plate this series.

            • Stryker

              i don’t know that the yankees’ scouts are so short-sighted/cocky to not properly scout a team like the nationals. if they were, shame on them but i don’t think it was an advanced scouting problem more than it was poor execution on all fronts. outside of the first game of the series, we all knew what the team was getting itself into by starting CMW, and joba has been hit or miss lately.

              ultimately it was just a team that had something to prove that followed through, went out and did it. their starting pitchers the last 2 games were GREAT and the nationals did what they had to do to win the ball game.

            • http://theyankeeuniverse.com Moshe Mandel

              It’s funny, I was just looking for the article, but I think one of the things Gammons or someone was spouting off about last year was how much better the Sox advance scouting was compared to the Yankees. It certainly seems like they have trouble with the soft tossing pitchers they have never seen. I think that Lannan and Stamman came out throwing strikes, making the Yankee batters throw patience to the wolves rather than fall behind 0-2. The thing is, with a guy like Stammen, even when throwing strikes, you want to see as many pitches as possible, bacause a guy with his meager skills will eventually make a mistake if you let him. Just a poorly approached game.

              • http://theyankeebomber.blogspot.com Conan

                I’ve been wondering about the Yanks scouting for years now. I hope this isn’t the department where the Yanks try to save money on.

            • V

              I don’t see how it could be an advanced scouting problem.

              Are the Yankees hitters going to approach the game differently if a scout tells them “Hey, this guy (Lannan) is going to pump strikes on the outside low corner all day”?

              Nowadays, with video being what it is, I imagine they can call up any game the guy has pitched this year to see his stuff – I doubt they’re going in there blind.

        • Ivan

          I think the effort was there, the exucution was just absolutely poor.

    • JP

      Girardi said it in the post game: there’s just no excuse, you have to find a way to score runs. This may be playing semantic games, but I think there is a difference from making an “effort” and being truly “motivated.”

      The Yankees seem full of guys who work very, very hard, and prepare diligently for games. I don’t think that’s a problem, at all. Here’s where I have the screwy, semantic thing, though…it seems to me that they aren’t a motivated to win as some other teams.

      TSJC will flame me…how can I know what they’re feeling, etc., I can’t. But humans who are genuinely motivated, be it by fear, or an intense yearning to win, whatever, aren’t as prone to lapses like this.

      The Yankees have many veteran players, guys with families and other concerns, guys who’ve already won championships, guys who already have big money contracts and have tasted success in many ways. They must be a very secure, comfortable group of players, and that doesn’t always translate into extracting the best possible results from one’s effforts.

      Yet they also have young players making comparatively low salaries who should want it, really bad….so it’s tough to blame it on that.

      They look bad. Well, they look bad for a team that you expect to win a division and advance to the WS. Maybe we’ve been spoiled by ’96-’01.

      • Mike Pop

        I don’t know man. I don’t think you can say just because they have big money, it lacks motivation to win. These guys are competitors, they don’t wanna lose, they did enough of that last year. CC and Teix both say they came here for the money and the best chance to win. And A.J., we all know he’a a gamer!!!

        It’s just slumps and bad baseball. It happens many, many times a season from even the best teams in baseball.

        I think it’s Wang-idus. Once he went to the rotation, Yanks been playing like they were prior to his DL stint.

        Fuck blaming A-Rod, I blame Wanger.

        • JP

          Sure I can say it. It might be wrong, but I can say it.

          But you are right that slumps happen to all teams. There is this burning desire, though, as a fan, to try to find a reason for a slump, because maybe if you can find a reason you can create hope of conquering the problem and creating an invicible team.

          I do think, though, that fear is the most powerful human motivator, and rich, secure people with longterm contracts probably don’t have alot of fear…fear of losing their job, or of not having what they want in life. When life is so good, when you are set for life financially, there is quite a bit to “fall back on” and “winning isn’t everything” is easier to swallow.

          That last paragraph is a general statement. It’s not to say any of the Yankees think that way. The majority of players in baseball in general, you could argue, are justified in thinking this way.

          But there is no subsitute for the sort of motivation you get from deep seated, burning hunger and fear.

  • Larry

    Teams go through ups and downs in a season, that’s baseball. First we’re down, then up, then down, and eventually the players will get out of their slumps and crush bad pitching again. You can’t go from the best record in the AL to a bunch of worthless bums in 2 weeks. At the end of the 162 game season we’ll be singing a different tune, I guarantee it.

    • Bill

      I agree! As the great Jon Sterling says 35 times every broadcast, you just can’t predict baseball. Slumps happen, even against bad teams. We won how many series since A-Rod has come back? Exactly.

    • Stryker

      THANK YOU. that’s what i’m ultimately trying to say. shit happens – but this team is talented and they’re not going to become the worst team in baseball because they drop one freakin’ series. it stings, yes. but there’s at least 3 months left of the season.

      • Andrew

        Yeah we won series against who? The Mets? Sure didn’t deserve to win that one. The Rangers were the only team that is even semi-good that the Yankees took a series from in that span (and don’t say the Rays, because they came to NY without half their team).

      • Bill

        No, THANK YOU Stryker. As a famous philosopher once said, “If you want the rainbow, you’ve gotta put up with the rain.” I’m not abandoning the team like the blogger is, no sir. I am here through the good and through the bad because I’m a true Yankee.

        • Andrew

          No one is abandoning the team… what the hell are you talking about?

          • Andrew

            Just saw that you referred to John Sterling as “great”. That explains it.

            • Bill

              He is great. He is AMAZING in fact. Sterling always knows the right thing to say. I love his home run calls and I know he wouldn’t leave the team for dead just because they’re going through a mini slump. BALLGAME OVER, BILL WINS!!!!!!! BIIIIIIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL WINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Ivan

    This was no question a not only a fustrating series, but the last 9 games was absolutely was just tough to watch.

    Tonight was the cherry on top of a very fustrating 9 games.

    This offense need to wake the fuck up and play consistent. NO WAY should the Nats hold this offense to 7 runs in 3 games.

    I also was quite dissapointed with Joba too. After having a poor outing against the Mets, I really thought he was gonna come out guns blazing and pitch with some absolute conviction, and instead while he pitch solid, if you watch the game closely, he was quite well….meh.

    Overall it was just a bad series, and the yanks can play that poorly and pathetic. Like Mark Jackson would say “Your better than that”

    Nevertheless, while this series was no question awful, You look at the big picture, you go on a road trip against Fla, ATl, NYM, not easy, but FAR from difficult and can no question can go 6-3. Plus, the Yanks are just 3 out of the division and still lead the WC and you know the yanks haven’t really put it all together yet, so hopefully it might happen on this road trip.

  • BklynJT

    Confidence poll anyone =)

    • John

      11

    • Wolf Williams

      My confidence level: 6 out of 10 for the season. For this 9-game road trip: 4 out of 10. No DH, an already listless offense, banged up Jeter and Gardner, boneheaded Swisher….

      • V

        Nice to know. So, when they rattle off another 20+ game streak at an 80% win percentage clip, I guess you won’t be here?

        • Andrew

          ^ Everyone: How terrible of a poster is V? Seriously… because he isn’t as confident as you’d like him to be, or as the foolish optimist such as yourself is, he won’t be here the next time the Yankees start playing good baseball again?

          “Only those who have a 8+ confidence rating for this team are true, worthy Yankees fans.”

          /V

          AWFUL.

        • Wolf Williams

          I’m always here… just not deluded into seeing things that are not there, such as professional effort and performance from guys who have no excuse to lose to the Nats, or to go 0-8 to the Sox, or to walk hitters with the bases loaded, or to get thrown out at second base three times in two weeks, or to surrender 6-0 leads, or to make rookie pitchers look like Tom Seaver….

          This team is SUPPOSED to have win streaks of 10-out-of-13 games MULTIPLE times throughout a season. This team was not constructed to struggle against the Nats or to throw away games against the Red Sox. To whom much is given, much is expected. When you’re given a multi-million-dollar guaranteed deal, some other things better be guaranteed as well, such as not losing 2-of-3 at home to the Nats.

          Too many people let these players off to easy. Put away the man crushes and the rose-colored glasses. This team has an attitude problem when it comes to knowing when to squash inferior talent. That’s a tell-tale sign of a lack of leadership and a lack of winning mentality.

          • Andrew

            ^ Rack. Great post. Spot on.

          • John

            That’s a tell-tale sign of a lack of leadership and a lack of winning mentality.

            Sox are 32-26 against non-Yankee teams so does it mean they have those problems too?

            We are 37-21 against non-Red Sox teams, meaning we are beating inferior teams even though we have had slumps and aren’t playing upto our potential.

            It’s just lack of good play and that’s all really.

          • http://theyankeeuniverse.com Moshe Mandel

            To pontificate about things that you know nothing about is incredibly silly. You and I are not in the locker room, so it is really hard for us to judge effort, leadership, and winning mentality. I didn’t see a lack of effort, I just saw poor execution. Where exactly did you see a lack of effort or leadership? Someone pointed out times that the 1998 Yankees lost to bad teams- it happens to the best as well. The Red Sox have lost series to Oakland and Seattle thus far. I guess they have a leadership issue too.

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

              To futher Moshe’s point, Wolf, you’re conflating causation and result. The result — both tonight and last night — was that the Yanks lost games to bad teams that they should have won. The cause is not leadership or effort to desire or heart. It’s just poor execution. The team didn’t have good ABs, and they didn’t get the clutch hits, and they didn’t pitch particularly well. That has nothing to do with what you perceive as leadership shortcomings.

              • Wolf Williams

                Really? So there’s no accountability, ever, among the people charged with preparing this team to execute well?

                Managers are there to do plenty of things,a nd one of those things is to make sure guys understand that there will be consequences for failure. Now, you guys might look at the sunny side all the time and think Swisher is an asset. By and large, he might be. But goddamnit, pro baseball players do not do what he does on the bases. Pitchers are not allowed to walk in runs. Ever. Period. And I’m sorry if we disagree, but one element of this type of play is that these bozos have no fear that any shit will rain down on their heads.

                Where is the kick-ass element of getting these guys to understand that getting gunned out at second for the third time will get you a sock in the chops behind closed doors? (And yes, I advocate a real sock int he chops behind closed doors. Some guys just need a blanket party now and then.)

                Obviously, we’ll continue to disagree, and that’s fine. We have different philosophies on what effort is. I don’t see it in any faces, in any body language (except maybe Tex’s), and certainly not in anything Girardi is doing. You might see it; I don’t.

                • Mike HC

                  I highly doubt that everything is peaches and cream behind closed doors when you lose all 8 games to the Sox and lose two straight to the Nats at home. This type of frustration should stay in the clubhouse though. Ripping Swish to the media would only cause resentment and an everyman for themselves mentality. I have no clue what is going on in the clubhouse. Neither do you. Basing your evaluation on how the Yanks present themselves to the media is ridiculous. These players have been trained in how to “deal” with the media. That is not their true feelings and responses. Let’s see how this team responds after this, and after Jeter is back in the starting lineup.

                • Giuseppe Franco

                  Oh, c’mon.

                  That fire and brimstone crap doesn’t work with a team full of millionaires and Hall of Famers.

                  Girardi was supposed to be that guy when he was hired and a large contingent of Yankee fans wanted him because Torre was perceived as someone who didn’t motivate his players enough.

                  Girardi was perceived as someone who would have the opposite temperament of Torre like that of a drill sergeant.

                  Managers like that are good for teams full of young kids. It doesn’t work nearly as well with an older and much more established team.

              • JP

                …It’s just poor execution. The team didn’t have good ABs, and they didn’t get the clutch hits, and they didn’t pitch particularly well. That has nothing to do with what you perceive as leadership shortcomings…

                With respect, Ben, why couldn’t it have something to do with leadership shortcomings? See my longer comment to Moshe…

                It’s quite unimaginative, and eventually boring, to keep repeating “we didn’t execute,” and to drag out stats as the only “answer” to any question. But a baseball team is a bunch of people, and things like leadership, motivation, etc., are real, and affect the ability of people to “execute.”

                No, Wolf can’t prove anything. But he’s trying to dig below the surface, something I think is interesting and fun. And perfectly appropriate for fans and blogs.

                • JP

                  Duh…formatting failure. Feel free to edit and fix…SORRY!!

            • John

              Thank You…Exactly

            • JP

              To pontificate about things that you know nothing about is incredibly silly.

              I don’t know, that’s a bit strong I think. Making declarative assertions about things you know nothing about is foolish, Moshe, but debating things like this isn’t silly. Isn’t this what blogs and discussion boards are for? To throw out ideas, to talk things over? Why should something which is real (leadership) be off limits for debate, simply because we can’t directly observe it or verify statements about it? Wouldn’t you agree that leadership is something important, and does affect play? I think it’s perfectly reasonable to talk about how leadership may be affecting the team.

              There is alot of flaming on this site for statements that can’t be “proven.” Well, there are times when what appears to be faulty execution isn’t really faulty…so we can be wrong and silly about the stuff we see, or think we see, too.

              Making declarative statements about leadership or effort? I agree, that’s silly. But I think it’s a fan’s right to debate these things, and it’s fun, too.

              • http://theyankeeuniverse.com Moshe Mandel

                Well said. I think debate is fair, but as you said, making declarative statements and assumptions about what is going on behind closed doors is silly. I think that debate based entirely on guesswork eventually leads to some fairly irresponsible conclusions and assumptions. On Lohud about two years ago, someone started speculating about “those lazy Dominican players” who clearly partied all night and were not ready to play. This was a fabrication that many people fought against. Two years later, many who read blogs have already come to accept it as fact. Sometimes debate that uses faulty assumptions validates those assumptions.

              • http://theyankeeuniverse.com Moshe Mandel

                Well said. I think debate is fair, but as you said, making declarative statements and assumptions about what is going on behind closed doors is silly. I think that debate based entirely on guesswork eventually leads to some fairly irresponsible conclusions and assumptions. On Lohud about two years ago, someone started speculating about “those lazy Dominican players” who clearly partied all night and were not ready to play. This was a fabrication that many people fought against. Two years later, many who read blogs have already come to accept it as fact. Sometimes debate that uses faulty assumptions validates those assumptions.

  • IvanS

    This is starting to look like last year, with the exception of two things: the horrible start from last year and our inability to beat Boston this year. Even the bashers and the defenders are sticking to the same script.

    Yankees don’t take care of teams they’re supposed to not just beat, but manhandle. They make young rookies with no wins and ERAs over 5 look like Cy Young winners. The manager waits and waits and waits for people to “snap out of it” instead of pushing the issue and use your strengths to force the lesser team to make mistakes. Arod is terrible under key situations. Cano is terrible under key situations. It’s impossible to hit a fly ball with a man on third and less than two outs. The pitch calling is questionable and the pitch locations are batting practice-esque. There are fans (like me) that are frustrated and then there are those that will say “it’s just a game” or “shit happens” until it’s September and it’s impossible to make up for all the brutal losses.

    This team is missing three very important ingredients: good scouting, good execution and the hard-nosed/pressing play that I thought Girardi was going to bring. I wanted a change away from Torre because I felt he was falling asleep at the wheel and never played situational baseball. Now we have Girardi doing the same and it’s even more frustrating because I expected more. It’s not even fun to watch anymore.

    Ok…just venting. Have a good night and god bless Luis Castillo…

    • Rich

      Well, Girardi can’t really do anything about A-Rod and Cano. They’re two of his best players. Neither got a pitch to hit in the air the other night. A-Rod got on base, but I guess that’s not good enough for some. There is variance in baseball, you just have to accept it. No matter how much Girardi “pushes the issue,” the Yankees will still lose games. They’ll lose some they’re supposed to and win some they aren’t like all the comebacks they’ve had this year. That’s baseball.

      • Andrew

        When you lose a series to one of the worst teams in the history of the sport, “that’s baseball” is not a sufficient excuse.

        • V

          You can keep repeating that all you want, but it doesn’t make it true.

          They have a more than adequate offense (top 10 in MLB in wOBA). Lannan’s a solid pitcher.

          It doesn’t excuse not hammering Stammen, but, eh, whaddya gonna do?

          • Andrew

            “It doesn’t excuse not hammering Stammen”

            Then what’s your point? Seems like we both agree there’s no excuse for this type of play.

        • http://theyankeebomber.blogspot.com Conan

          I agree, Andrew. And please, I don’t want to read “it’s just one game” or “just one series” comments either – when the Yanks are in a dog fight in September for a playoff berth, we’ll all be saying “Oh, God, if they had only beaten teams like the Nationals…”

          Every game counts – play today, win today.

  • dkidd

    in the “matt damon from team america” voice…craig stammen!

  • Dorian

    Myself and Max Kellerman argued once over Joba being in the rotation. Max formally thought that Joba would be the best pitcher in the game in 2 years.

    On one particular show Max changed his tune after doing some research on Joba’s arm troubles throughout his life. He said that Joba belonged in the bullpen for fear of injury and that before the year was over that he would be on the DL with arm trouble. Two weeks later there was another yankee pitcher who went on the DL on a fateful night in Texas.

    In the next week I called up and said that the hiccup should not prevent the yankees from looking at him as a starter while Max maintained that Joba should be in the bullpen. I just checked out pitch fx and Joba’s velocity has been down since he returned from the injury.

    Yoda has taught me the ways of the force and I so far I have followed him. But his performance since the injury has changed my tune,

    JOBA TO TEH 8TH,

    SERIOUSLY

    • Andrew

      So instead of having a flat 91-92 MPH fastball from innings 1-5, he’ll have it on display in a critical situation in the 8th inning? Doesn’t sound too enticing.

      • John

        exactly

        • Giuseppe Franco

          Ditto. Ain’t gonna happen.

    • V

      :yawn:

      • Dorian

        I just want to see him the way he was, whatever it takes to see the Joba that pitched against Beckett that I have DVR’d, that is what I want.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

          That’s how I feel about Lindsay Lohan and Mean Girls, but it doesn’t always work out that way.

        • jonathan

          Wow people are holding on to that game and the recent 8 inning effort as their “prime examples” of why Joba belongs as a starter. If theres one thing that Lannan and Stamman showed over the last two day is that any pitcher at anytime can completely shutdown a lineup.

          • Mike Pop

            +1

            But, this doesn’t mean Joba should not continue to develop as a starter.

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      How, exactly, does throwing at max effort with inconsistent use and irregular rest give Joba less exposure to injury?

      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

        How come no B-Jobbers want to answer this question/

  • V

    Re: Joba – it’s got to be a mechanical issue in his delivery. He was way too awesome against Cleveland for that to merely be an anomaly.

    • Andrew

      Um, judging by pretty much every other start of his this season, I’d say it’s pretty damn certain that Cleveland was an anomaly.

      It’s obviously mechanical, though, and that falls on the shoulders of Eiland and the coaching staff.

    • John

      yea he SITTING 95-97 and the last two and all others he’s been 90-93

      • John

        *he was SITTING 95-97 against Cleveland

  • BigBlueAL

    Dont take the Marlins lightly. Pettitte could get killed, and on Saturday Josh Johnson takes the mound for the Marlins and quite frankly if the Yankees hit like they have been hitting this week he could throw a freaking No-Hitter against them.

    Plus, the starters on Friday and Sunday are young starters who obviously they havent seen too, even though Volstad has struggled as of late but Sean West is a rookie LHP who has been very good since being called up and I expect him to probably outpitch Pettitte.

    To be honest the first 2 games of the series be happy if the Yankees split and hope that CC takes care of business and the Yankees win 2 out of 3.

  • AlexNYC

    I will not accept Joba to the 8th. I rather……errr….yes!!! Joba to Scranton!!!

    I wonder if there’s a mechanical flaw in Joba’s delivery…he’s not throwing hard like usually does consistently.

  • mmx

    Did Yankees hitters / managers (Girardi & Tore) ever did pregame scouting for unfamilar pitchers?

    If all of them don’t have the time, can’t they hire someone do the research for them before games?

    It’s been years Yankees can’t hit unknown pitchers. Really pathetic.

  • ranger11

    This series really sucked! That’s about all I can say about it. They really have to watch themselves not to fall in the same type of hole that they did last year. I don’t have any answers on how they can prevent that or to put the brakes on that sort of slump. This is the first time this year that I feel nervous about this season.

  • tihsllub

    The Red Sox have the following things the Yankees don’t have right now-

    Heart
    Grit
    Hustle
    Coming to the ballpark everday ready to play
    Knowing how to win
    Playing the right way
    Leadership
    The will to win

    It has NOTHING to do with those fancy numbers or formulas. It’s all about the litle things. That’s why the Sox are winning and the Yankees aren’t. A-Rod, Cano, Cabrera, Damon, Swisher- These guys will probably never be True Yankees. These guys are just here to pick up a paycheck.

    • The Fallen Phoenix

      Thanks Peter Gammons.

      …for the record, if players who came up through the Yankee farm system (Cano, Cabrera) aren’t “True Yankees,” no one is.

      • Anyone

        “True” Yankees on the active Roster: Jeter, Posada, Pettitte, Mariano, Cano, Chamberlain, Hughes, Cabrera, Pena, Aceves, Cervelli, Wang, Robertson, Coke, and Gardner. 15 total

        “True” Red Sox on their active roster: Lester, Youkilis, Pedroia, Ellsbury, Papelbon, Varitek, Kottaras, Delcarmen, Bard, and Masterson. 10 total

        Matsui, Dice-K, and Okajima do not count as they were already established in the Japan leagues. Wang does count as he was not.

        The Yanks have more guys that were home-grown currently so don’t our players came to NY for the money.

        • JP

          Varitek came from Seattle. Not a true Red Sox.

          • Sweet Dick Willie

            But he never played a ML game for them.

    • Mike HC

      Um … The Red Sox lost to the Rays in the playoffs last year. They clearly did not “know how to win” in that series. Or maybe they “knew” how to win, but just lacked the “will to win.” Or was it a lack of “grit?” Maybe they just played the “wrong way.” What went wrong last year?

    • John

      It has NOTHING to do with those fancy numbers or formulas.

      Really? Sweet! Thanks for telling me now. I hope the Yankees let me play because I have all of those qualities. I’m just going to stand there in the batter’s box while 90+ mph pitches with amazing movement are thrown to the plate. I am definitely not going to hit them but because of my qualities, the ball will magically fly out of the park. When I am fielding in CF or SS, the balls in play will automatically curve towards the glove, touch it, and go to 1B as long I have those qualities. When I’m pitching, no matter where I throw it, it will be a strikeout if I have those qualities. I’ve been playing the wrong way trying to hit .300 with a high OBP but all I had to do was have those qualities. No wonder Theo Epstein is so smart, he doesn’t look for stats like Cashman, he looks for those qualities. That’s why Nick Green and Big Papi became so much better after being in Boston. Manny was a stats guy so good riddance. I hope the Yanks become like that too.

      Once again, THANKS! You are a life saver, if you hadn’t told me, I would have been playing the game the wrong way. Now I am MLB-Caliber!!!!!

      Now, I just hope the Sox don’t sign me first….

    • Anyone

      The Yanks’ 22 come-from-behind-wins beg to differ.

    • Giuseppe Franco

      How unbelievably stupid.

      If the Yanks didn’t have any heart or will they wouldn’t be leading the world in comeback wins this season.

      This team had no heart last year. This team is different.

    • Mike Pop

      That’s why the Sox are winning and the Yankees aren’t. A-Rod, Cano, Cabrera, Damon, Swisher- These guys will probably never be True Yankees. These guys are just here to pick up a paycheck.

      If they’re getting the paycheck from the Yankees, they are true Yankees as long as they are here, my friend.

    • Stryker

      i’ve said it before and i’ll say it again: the notion of someone being a “true” yankee over someone else who wears/wore the same uniform is absolute bullshit.

  • Mike HC

    I think not having Jeter for the past two games was a major reason for the losses. He is arguably the Yanks best player this season.

    As per Fangraphs, Jeter has a 2.5 WAR, which is good for 20th in all of baseball. Teix is the only Yankee better than Jeter, but not by much, with a 2.6 WAR.

    The Yanks were in desperate need of some clutch, situational hitting, which Jeter excels at. These were close games decided by a play here and there. Jeter would have been a big help. I am not willing to get too upset about losing some close games when we were missing maybe our best player.

    • tihsllub

      Jete was up in the biggest clutch spot in tonight’s game. He didn’t get done, no excuses. Don’t give me that WAR crap. Jeter is el capitan and we aren’t paying him $20 million to sit on the bench like a sissy and hit groundouts to SS.

      • Mike HC

        I don’t think pinch hitting for one at bat is enough. The game is played over 9 innings. If Jeter would have made the difference in the second game of the series, then the Yanks would have taken two of three and everyone would not be throwing hissy fits. All of this hysteria is over two games, 18 innings. Jeter, arguably the Yanks best player, played in one of those innings. Pena, Jeter’s replacement, went hitless in the games he started, and could not make a crucial play to complete the caught stealing in game 2 of the series. I’m not saying Jeter is the end all be all, but his absence definitely had a negative impact.

        • Mike HC

          Correction- Jeter played in 2 1/2 innings. My opinion is the same though.

      • Eric

        lol, pretty much what you can expect from someone who writes “don’t give me that WAR crap”

        • JP

          I agree. Everybody knows the only things that matter are WAR and OPS and UZR.

  • dkidd

    best moment of this thread: the recommendation of a “blanket party” for swisher

  • Anyone

    Mo I hope the Yanks get back to winning ways soon because some posters are going out of control and get angry if someone is positive.

    • ranger11

      That’s true. It’s a competition for who could be the most negative and angry. It really does go over the top. How many ways can you say that the Yankees suck? Everybody is angry when the Yankees lose, but following sports is supposed to be fun and a diversion from the real stuff that screws up life.

  • Anyone

    Another good news: Gardy got a Web Gem for his play on which he got hurt.

    • AlexNYC

      If it wasn’t for Harris, we would at least scored one run in the 7th.

      • Frank Fernandez

        Harris made a great catch, the best of several good fielding plays by the Nationals. It’s a crap team, but they did compete in this series.

        • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

          Now, I just saw it once because YES refused to show the replay from a different angle, but it looked like Harris made that play much “better” than it should’ve been. IIRC, he got turned around the wrong way and probably would’ve made a relatively “normal” catch if he didn’t.

          • Frank Fernandez

            That’s TV. I was at the game, where everything happens about twice as fast, and the ball was shot out of a cannon. Looked like he had no chance, and not because he got turned around a little bit. In fact, he had very little time to react.

            • Mike Pop

              Eh, it was flashy but I believed it looked harder than it was. Harris just knew how to make a play look harder, unlike Francisco Cervelli.

              • Frank Fernandez

                Same with Gardner, too, eh?

                No cred to the opponent…You guys make me laugh.

                • Mike Pop

                  My comment was really just a comment to joke about Cisco’s “dive” for the ball. Obviously wasn’t needed.

                  But, no. I am always one to give credit to the opponent because the Yankees are the best team in baseball and every year I think they should go undefeated. So when a team beats the Yankees, it’s because they were that good that game. Cause that’s what it takes to beat my teams.

                • Frank Fernandez

                  Got it…

                • Mike Pop

                  Just how I feel, F^2.

                • Frank Fernandez

                  I actually understand.

            • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

              I’m not saying it wasn’t a good play, just giving my incredibly subjective, having-seen-the-play-only-once opinion.

              • Frank Fernandez

                The good thing about the play is A-Rod finally got a hold of one. What was surprising on the replay is it didn’t look like he hit it that hard coming off the bat; not his A-1 swing. But it was a screamer; shows you what kind of power he has.

                • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

                  Word.

                  I feel the same way when he throws from 3rd to 1st and just a flick of his wrist looks like a rocket from anyone else.

                • JP

                  He has a magnificent arm, and his swing is like watching Secretariat run.

  • http://and-that-happened.blogspot.com Evan

    Frankly, I’m not sure how to feel. I feel both the “goodness, this does not look good for the Yankees” and the “well, they were bound to hit a cold stretch at some point” sensation. Then again, it doesn’t matter how I feel as long as they perform better than they have of late.

  • henry frisch

    The Yankees did not control the decision about playing yesterday. MLB dictated that it had to be played because there were no mutual days left.

    • Sweet Dick Willie

      Not saying that MLB didn’t dictate that the game be played, but looking at the schedule, they are both off on Monday June 22.

      • Rick in Boston

        That would require the Yanks going from Florida to New York to Atlanta. I’m thinking the Player’s Association wouldn’t like the extra travel and the teams don’t want to deal with the extra cost of travel.

        • Sweet Dick Willie

          That may be true, but that is a different reason than “there are no mutual days off.”

          There is in fact a mutual day off. It may not be convenient, but it is a mutual day off nonetheless.

  • http://www.twitter.com/MatthewHarris84 Matt H

    Joba’s 30 pitch innings are as sure as the sun rise…

  • Mike Pop

    The Yankees took my pride last night.

  • Gary

    I’ll tell you what’s killin’ this team….ARod’s .210 batting average! If he continues to hit that, or somewhere about .250 with only average power, we are finished; no one’s seriously giving Mark anything to hit in crucial spots then. We need new blood, man! We’re trying to pretend it’s 2002 but guys are old now, and that includes especially Damon, Andy, Mariano, Jorge and Hideki. The way things are going we will miss the playoffs. Last night was one of the biggest embarrassments ever in Yankee history. And that’s no exaggeration. Julian Taveras? Holy cow he was washed five solid years ago! We’ll finish about 88-74. If that wins the wild card then so be it, but we’ll drop like a stone with Joba pitching 4.2 innings and throwing like 100 pitches in that span and yielding three runs or so. Joba stinks…give me Stan Bahnsen (“The Bahnsen Burner”) over him.

    • Jeremy

      ARod is not setting the world on fire but he is not killing us either with his 124 OPS+. He should be better, and he will be.

      Damon is having the best offensive season of his career. Also, this is the last year of his contract.

      Matsui is still an above-average hitter even in his decline phase. He is still good for over 20 HRs, and this is the last year of his contract.

      Posada is putting up awesome numbers.

      Pettitte is a one-year deal. He gets his WHIP down a bit and he is on track for a very good season for a no. 4 starter.

      We are in second place, 3 games out of first. It sucks to lose 2 out of 3 to the Nationals but it is not a death sentence.

      • JP

        I agree. Above all, Gary, don’t be emotional. Don’t be a passionate fan. Baseball is a large machine with natural laws as real as gravity. ARod will progress to the mean. The team has solid numbers in OPS and WAR, so there is no cause for worry, or frustration. Being emotional will only worsen your fan experience. Go to fangraphs.com for some therapy. There you’ll see that, even though he looks as confused and off at the plate as ever, ARod is actually accounting for more runs than the average baseball player, and well above replacement value. So if you have an emotion about him, it should be gratitude.

        /tongue out of cheek

        • Jeremy

          OPS and WAR, by Tom Clancy.

          I’ll say it again, ARod has to play better. I’m as tired of his slump as anyone. But it’s not fair to say he’s killing us. 2008 Cano killed us. 2009 Wang is killing us. 2009 ARod is merely disappointing us for now.

          I don’t agree that it makes any sense to say “This team sucks, look at all these old players” and list half the team, even though all those players are either playing quite well, at the end of their contracts, or both.

        • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

          Mo forbid we look to something deeper than our own subjective evaluations to reassure ourselves that the team’s best hitter will bust out of a slump and, despite not collecting as many hits as we’d like, is still helping the team (at the plate).

          • JP

            Mo forbid we look to something deeper than numeric calculations to try to get a sense of why the best player in major league baseball has looked helpless at the plate for most of the last 3 weeks.

            FTFY

            • Jeremy

              He’s slumping following a stretch when he had an OPS+ over 1.000. I’m not sure what else can be said about it other than (a) it sucks; and (b) let’s hope he goes on a hot streak real soon.

    • Sweet Dick Willie

      The way things are going we will miss the playoffs.

      Um, no. The way things are going now, we win the wild card.

  • Sic

    Joba is so hung up on his sliders. Only a team like the Nationals will swing at his stupid sliders. He’s lucky he got off easy in the 4th inning.

    • Mike Pop

      I’m actually really glad he has his “stupid sliders”, because that’s what makes him a kid with alot of potential.

      But, na. You’re right.

      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

        Pop, honestly, he falls a little too much in love with it sometimes. Last night, he shouldn’t have been tossing sliders low and away to Wil Nieves or Willie Harris. It’s those dudes that he needs to challenge; the walks to Harris and Nieves were inexcusable.

        • Mike Pop

          Eh. I like it. He knows he has a plus fastball but as we all know he wasn’t throwing 95+ last night. I’d rather him throw some dirty pitches with a lot of movement than a 92 fastball right in the zone.

          I know that the walk to Nieves was inexcusable, and I was upset as anybody but that’s going to happen.

          I mean, Joba is no Allan James where he can get out of a bases loaded, no out jam by making 2 batters look silly and get a lil’ liner to short. ;)

          • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

            I love his sliders, too, but even w/o 95, he should’ve been able to get Nieves and Harris.

            As for A.J., I was at his most recent performance on Sunday. It was quite nice.

    • JP

      I LOVE his sliders. You know who used to whiff guys with sliders like that? Ron Guidry. Anyone remember how nice Guidry looked on the mound? Almost like a ballerina (sorry, but he looked so ‘poised’), standing, feet close together, perfect posture. Then the compact, rhythmic delivery. He was fun to watch.

      I guess any pitcher’s slider, if it’s good, dives, but watching a batter swing at a pitch that dives from belt high to the dirt is a joy that never gets old.

      • Dorian

        GREAT, Let’s compare the 23 year old pitcher who has questions about his velocity to Ron Guidry.

        • JP

          Huh? It was just a digression, talking about sliders.

    • pat

      Haha you’re right, the nationals are the ONLY team to swing at Joba’s slider.

      Do you realize how stupid that is?

      • Mike Pop

        Very.

        • Mike Pop

          Ignorant.

      • Sic

        Let me repeat, I said “a team like the nationals” a/k/a a teams with poor Discp. All I am saying is, he gets ahead with a FB, why not blow a Fast ball by them when he is 0-2 or 1-2 in the count, or throw a curve for heaven’s sake.

        • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

          The Nats have a .342 OBP, third in the NL, 10th in the Majors. They’re a relatively patient team.

  • pat

    Sorry fort the off topic I guess.

  • Mike Pop

    Apparently, the Yanks really wanted to play the Nationals. I guess they thought it would be an easy win. It was anything but

    This was Major League Baseball’s decison, not the Yankees’.

  • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

    Like I’ll sum up Joba’s performance like I did last night, but briefer today:

    11 baserunners in 6 innings: bad
    6 striketous in 6 innings: good

  • A.D.

    Next week’s confidence poll should be interesting

    • Mike Pop

      It will go down, that is a no doubter.

      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

        Fuck that noise; confidence level = 10.

  • GG

    Being dominated by Nats pitching hurts. That performance by the Yanks was so lifeless its no wonder fans who were there get free tickets, even though that is supposed to be b/c of the weather. They really didnt want to be there after the rain delay, they were letting that Nat’s starter get through innings with like 5 pitches. The BoSox would never let that happen; three words: LACK OF GRIT

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      The Yankees and Red Sox see the same amount of pitches per plate appearance.

      • Sic

        That’s a useless stat, Boston is 4 games up.

        • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

          No, it has nothing to do with the standings, but people keep saying how Boston “grinds out” at bats and all that shit and how it’s so “gritty” when the big, bad, non-gritty, non-gutsy Yankees do the exact same thing at the exact same rate.

          • Sic

            Sorry,I’d rather be ignorant than a homer. Does it really matter if a team sees a lot pitches per PA and come up empty. Seriously, they got shut out by a POS and that was not the 1st time this season.

            • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

              They were the last team to be shut out and that just happened the other day. The rank in the top five in BA/OBP/SLG/OPS (they’re first in the last two), they’re second in runs scored, they’re first in home runs. They’re not really coming up empty now are they? I’d say the Yankees’ offense is just fine, regardless of a more or less embarrassing shutout.

            • pat

              For fucks sake we put up 9 against one of the best pitchers in the game a few days ago, you do realize they can’t win EVERY game right?

        • pat

          Thats a useless comment because they’re only three games back. Maybe one iota of research before you post next time mmkay?

          • Sic

            Sorry 3 games. big woops!

        • Sweet Dick Willie

          That’s a useless stat, Boston is 4 games up.

          Well, they would have been 4 up if they didn’t lose AT HOME to the pathetic Marlins!

      • GG

        Bro in general you may be correct, but last night CRAIG STAMMEN worked through our lineup without even having to sweat, it was painful…Yes the Yankees are a patient team in general, but thats why CRAIG STAMMEN should have a tough time going 6.1 innings against us

        • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

          It’s baseball. Shit happens. Sometimes you put 9 up on Johan and get shut out by Stammen. Sometimes, you put up 9 on Stammen and get shut out by Johan. Let’s not forget that last night’s lineup was minus Jeter for the most part and wholly minus Jorge as well.

          • Dorian

            Look man, this is not the time for reason and logic. This is the time for overkill. This is not the venue for valuable statistics that show that the Yankees are as gritty if not more gritty than any other team in the major leagues.

            Don’t use that meaningless come from behind win statistic. All you have to do is look at Teixera hustling all the way from 1st to score the game winning run on a pop up, to see that this team doesn’t want it. I mean look at A-Rod for Christ sake, all he did was tell the doctors go eff themselves when they told him 6 weeks. When Girardi said he is going to ease him back in, A-Rod continued to be selfish and said “No, I am ready to play everyday.”

            Let’s not look at it logically, let’s continue with the nonsensical bashing.

  • Evan NYC

    Let’s sweep the Marlins and forget about this terrible series! Give ARod a day off today and put Pena at 3B even without the DH, he needs a break.