Jun
16

Bruney activated; Veras DFA’d

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The winner of the “Bruney Bruney’s Off the DL and Someone Gets Sent Down or Released” Contest is none other than Jose Veras. After a few days of speculation, the Yankees went with the decision to DFA Jose Veras when they activated Bruney a few minutes ago. They now have 10 days to waive, trade or release him before he can become an unrestricted free agent. Our money’s on a trade.

For the Yankees, this decision seemingly came down to a choice between Veras and Brett Tomko. David Robertson has an option but has also been a part of the newly effective bullpen. While Tomko has hardly been spectacular, Veras has been worse, and the Yankees no longer trust him in any sort of medium- or high-leverage situations. Tomko will go when Damaso Marte is back. For now, Veras drew the short straw, and it’s hard to argue with that decision.

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  • A.D.

    Well that debate is over, going for the low leverage innings guy…and a spot on the 40 man.

  • ChrisS

    Oof. Over/under on Veras being claimed?

    I’m going with 36 hours.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Under. Pirates claim him. Book it.

      • Andy in Sunny Daytona

        I say Washington does.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          The Pirates love Yankee pitchers. It’s a fact.

          • Andy in Sunny Daytona

            True, but the Generals have no choice but to take him. Did you think I meant the Nationals?

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              Oh, I gotcha.

              Krusty’s Lawyer: You bet money against the Harlem Globetrotters?
              Krusty: BUT THE GENERALS WERE DUE!!!!

              LOOK AT HIM, HE’S SPINNING THE BALL ON HIS FINGER! JUST TAKE IT!!!!

        • http://www.teamnerdrage.com leokitty

          Gotta be the Nationals. They just signed Horacio Ramirez, and if there’s someone out there Veras really is better than it’s him.

    • ChrisS

      Angels will work out a trade for some scrub A/AA. Their bullpen has been atrocious.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      The Yanks don’t have to put him on waivers right away. They have 10 days to try to work out a deal, and if nothing can be reached then they have to waive him.

      • ChrisS

        I misunderstood, I thought as soon as he was DFA he would be on waivers, which ended after ten days.

        • Whozat

          I think it’s 10 days, then three days on waivers.

          • whozat

            but I am, apparently, wrong.

  • Kilgore Trout

    I can’t believe it wasn’t Tomko.

  • dkidd

    was the deciding factor that tomko can be a better long man?

    • The Lodge

      I’m guessing that’s it.

  • Sam P.

    I would have thought Tomko, but perhaps the Jekyll/Hyde faces of Veras were just too maddening to take with Bruney ready for action again.

    Still, I’m OK with the change.

  • A.D.

    Wonder if they have a deal for Veras.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Not yet, but they will.

      Maybe to the Nationals for Tyler Clippard again.

      • T-Clip Nation

        I THOUGHT i heard somebody mention my boy T-Clip….HOLLA

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          I don’t know why this comment made me laugh, but it did.

          • T-Clip Nation

            you should know, i fealt the same way while i was writing it…

    • toad

      Me too. Maybe they can get something for Veras, but not Tomko.

  • dkidd

    what are the chances veras is claimed by the natinals and pitches against us?

    • ChrisS

      My fantasy, pure and simple (in order):

      Strasburg signed by Natinals to a 6 year/$50 million contract

      Veras claimed by the Natinals

      Natinals and Yankees work out a trade: Strasburg for Veras.

      /win

      /strangerthings

      • the artist formerly known as (sic)

        instantcrickets.com

    • I Remember Celerino Sanchez

      The Yanks have 10 days to try and find a trade for him before he is waived. So, the answer to your question is, no, not unless the Yanks trade him to the Nats.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

        In ten days, he’s a free agent no matter what. In the meantime, they can trade or waive him.

        • I Remember Celerino Sanchez

          Well, there is no down side to waiving a guy eight days into the 10 days (since it takes two business days for waiver requests), so that you have a shot at him if nobody clears him. I could be wrong, but I don’t think teams generally just let a guy be a free agent after 10 days. They generally ask for waivers after eight.

        • I Remember Celerino Sanchez

          Sorry, I forgot to note that the reason the teams put the guy on waivers is that if another team claims a player on waivers, that team assumes the contract. If the guy clears waivers and is released, the new team that signs him is only responsible for the prorated MLB minimum, while the releasing team is on the hook for the rest of the contract amount.

          I know it’s not much with Veras, but still.

  • Nick

    I hate Veras but I’d rather them DFA Tomko. Tomko has been bad for 13 years now and Veras at least has the ability to look good when he’s in there for multiple innings.

  • Evan

    Here’s to hoping he doesn’t land in the AL…

  • Observer283

    Probably should have been Tomko. I thought his last “effort” might have scared of the management.

    Veras has been aweful. I mean fear and ulcer inducing bad. But he is younger and has a plus arm.

    Though, I guess maybe the thought is the Yankees have a glut of young, plus arms who might someday become serviceable middle relievers. Better to go with the guy that is more likely to help the team this year than someone who might have a slightly better future.

  • ZDawg

    BoSux pick him up, turn him into Cy Young

    • John

      But they the best bullpen of all-time!

  • John

    Hopefully he falls through the waivers and improves his control so he can return soon.

    I dont know, Veras still has a lot of upside and Tomko’s strikeout numbers are not that good (way too small SSS so far though).

  • Scott a.k.a. BINNER

    Both have been lousy this year, but if it was my choice I’d have kicked Tomko to the curb unless they think they can trade Veras….

    -BINNER

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Okay, the constantly signing your posts with “-Scott” was one thing, but what the hell is “BINNER”?

      And, do you not have Three Kids Tickets anymore? Did you sell all your tickets?

      Did you sell your kids?

      • ClayBuchholzLovesLaptops

        Sometimes I want to change my name just to make you look for the reasoning.

        By the way, what is a touchtone terriost?

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          I still have no idea. All I know is, we need to fight him over there so we don’t have to fight him at home.

          • ClayBuchholzLovesLaptops

            If Joba goes to the pen, the terriosts win.

            • I Remember Celerino Sanchez

              If Joba goes to the pen, the Red Sox win. Oh, wait, same thing. Nevermind.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              If Joba goes to the pen, the terriosts win.

              Brian Cashman = Terriost enabler

              • ClayBuchholzLovesLaptops

                Brian Cashman = Terriost enabler

                Brian Cashman is the president of Iran?

              • jsbrendog

                kim jones = terriost enabler as she is a b-jobber…

                5
                4
                3
                2
                1….

      • Scott a.k.a. BINNER

        All on EBay….including my kidney…times are tough….

        BINNER is how I’m known on every other site, but I didn’t think it was professional so I used my real name…but now (to simplify it) I’ve changed my mind on the matter…..

        Adios Veras, maybe Torre wants him on the Dodgers with the other ex-Yankees he’s picked up along the way.

        -BINNER

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Fair enough.

          Heh, Veras on the Dodgers would be funny as well.

  • JeffG

    I would have rather seen Tomko DFA’d. Hard to cry over losing Veras at this point.

  • e mills

    Christmas in June?!?!

  • Evan

    This goes back to that interview with Tomko where he said Cashman had been calling his agent for years trying to get him to convert to a reliever. Someone in the organization clearly thinks Tomko has the stuff to be a succesful reliever. And the guy for the most part has thrown strikes.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

      Tomko: 58 percent strikes
      Veras: 57 percent strikes

      I was going to go with that argument too, and then I looked up the numbers. Caveat: That’s just for 2009. Tomko has been better at throwing strikes over the course of his career than Veras has.

      • KW

        I’ve never really seen the value of the % strikes stat. Call me crazy, but effective strikes are more useful to me. I can chuck meatballs down the plate on 0-0 and 0-1, but that doesn’t mean anything regarding my effectiveness. The new runs by pitch would be a lot more effective as a means of evaluating how a reliever may do.

  • josh

    could someone explain to me why a team would trade for him if they can just sign him in 10 days

    • ChrisS

      Depends on where the team falls in the waiver order. If they’re dead last or or close to it, a team would trade for Veras if they think that a team with a higher priority will submit a claim.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Because in 10 days, anyone else can outbid you for him. By trading for him, you preclude him from hitting the market and being available to any of your competitors.

      • Rob

        You really think there is going to be a bidding war for Jose Veras? I wouldn’t count the Mets out of the Veras sweepstakes.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          The Yankees, Red Sox, and Orioles all jockeying for Mark Teixeira for an 8 year, 150M+ deal and the Nationals, Pirates, Angels, and Mets all jockeying for Jose Veras for a prorated veteran minimum contract are both technically “bidding wars”.

          They’re much smaller and more insigificant bids, but they’re both bidding wars.

    • JohnnyC

      Because if you don’t put in a claim, some other team might. Then, he’s not there for you to sign as a free agent 10 days later. Of course, if you don’t think anyone else will claim him…

      • josh

        k. thanks. makes a lot more sense to me now

  • Jake H

    Poor jose.

  • Stryker

    wow all this bitching and moaning for tomko to be DFA’d yet every time veras makes an appearance in a game people are calling for the guillotine.

    the yankees finally do what people have been clamoring for since the beginning of the season and now wish they hadn’t.

    what a bunch of flip-floppers.

    /john kerry

    personally, i thought veras had the better stuff but the fact that it seemed like he had no idea where the ball was going once it left his hand was absolutely maddening.

    • Stryker

      sucks to see him go but hopefully this will help shore up the bullpen.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Eh, I think there’s a difference between people saying “It probably should have been Tomko” and actual “bitching and moaning”.

      • whozat

        It’s also the case that it’s not necessarily the same people that were calling for Veras’ head that are now saying it should have been Tomko instead.

        I will freely admit that I don’t really mentally register the names of a lot of posters beyond the regulars that I actually converse with relatively often. So, outside of those people, I mostly just get a sense of the community’s tone…which has been clamoring for Veras to go. And now some folks are saying it should’ve been Tomko, which isn’t a flip flop…those people may have been saying that all along, or not saying anything, and I just don’t remember.

        • Stryker

          yeah you guys are right – my apologies for the language. i, too, only remember a handful or two of names of posters on the site – i was more making a comment (however ill-informed it was) on the overall feeling of the RAB user base cross-referenced with the opinions in this thread.

          • whozat

            Sure, and I think that behaving the way we’re talking about is normal — that one kind of gets a sense of the community voice, and may react to certain specific opinions as seeming contradictory.

    • JohnnyC

      Don’t try to swift boat us Yankees fans.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        I got my swim trunks, and my flippy-floppies/
        I’m flippin burgers; you at Kinko’s straight flippin’ copies/

        • jsbrendog

          if you on the shore then you sure aint me-o

  • Yankee1010

    I’m just glad they didn’t send Robertson down because he had an option. Sadly, I was scared that it was a possibility. Hell, it’s allowed Veras to get this far into the season.

    • Charlie

      i thought so to, but Cashman gave me some assurance he wouldn’t send down drob when he said something yesterday about how fantastic robertson has been.

      • Yankee1010

        That made me feel better too. I was still just a little bit worried though. Thankfully, it was unfounded.

        • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

          Ditto. D-Rob is my new man crush.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Deangelo Mack is my new mancrush.

            Mmmmm, Ray Lankford II…

            • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

              He’s got nothing on Slade who will be Grady Sizemore, Josh Hamilton, Nate McLouth, and Andre Eithier all in one. `

              • Tom Zig

                And Darin Erstad

  • Charlie

    it’s about time this happened. I am ecstatic that i won’t have to watch Veras for a while. He just sucks (except for his last outing). simply has no clue where the ball he throws is going.

  • JobaWockeeZ

    Yeah I’d rather see Tomko go but whatever. As long as he’s gone next I don’t care.

  • Andy

    I like it! Now if Wanger can just get it going, and Marte can get back, the bullpen will be pretty good with Mo, Bruney, Marte, Robertson, Coke, Aceves and Melancon…

    • e mills

      bullpen will look good with Wang in it too after tomorrow night…although they yankees do pull out the win

    • Charlie

      yea, i think there’s a chance that Our pen in 3 weeks> Boston’s pen… Oh wait, I forgot that the red sox pen is unhittable, nevermind.

  • Justin

    Makes sense to me. The Yanks basically needed to DFA an arm for low-leverage situations to replace him with an arm that is suitable for higher leverage situations. Whether that person was Tomko or Veras, I don’t think it really matters much anyway. Neither guy was going to get any game-changing type appearances. Tomko does have the advantage of pitching multiple innings however.

    Like someone else said above, Tomko will probably be the one to go in favor of someone like Marte or Melancon. So if we had DFA’ed Tomko and kept Veras, then Veras would be the one to go in favor of Marte or Melancon instead. Seems like the team would end up looking the same by the All-Star break either way.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Yup.

      • Justin

        By the way, that ‘pen won’t look so bad with Mo, Robertson, Marte, Coke, Hughes, Bruney, and Aceves. Especially with Melancon, Edwar, (maybe) Veras, and plenty of other options in AAA.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          That, and WLDR and Mike Dunn already on the 40 man and great candidates to be fast-tracked.

      • http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/413671602_daded72a81_m.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        I’ll second that “yup.” I thought they’d DFA Veras, but, to follow up on Justin’s point, if they are both (Tomko and Veras) probably going to be DFA’d in the next couple of months, anyway, then I totally get why they’d DFA Veras first. Who knows when the F Veras would improve and figure out how to control his pitches. At least they have faith that Tomko can go out there and have some semblance of a plan. So… Long-term, I’d prefer Veras over Tomko, but I totally get this decision since it’s probably being made with the short-term future in mind.

        I was kind of thinking along these lines the last time we discussed this when I wondered if Bruney’s health would affect this decision – I wondered if, if the Yanks have no faith in Bruney’s health, Tomko might be the better option over Veras because he’s probably the safer option. I think this is the same principle… Go with the safer option.

        • I Remember Celerino Sanchez

          Good point.

          One thing I’ve noticed is that in Tomko’s career, 2009 is the first season he didn’t start a game. I am not arguing that he is going to become a dominant reliever. But I will say that to spend a whole season knowing he is a reliever might allow him to do better than he’s done as a starter or spot starter/long reliever. It’s the first time he has been able to just let it fly for an inning or two.

          Since all relievers are guys who either weren’t good enough to start or didn’t have the pitches to start, you can argue that Tomko is typical, except he is being converted 10 years later than most. It’s worth seeing if he can be decent out of the pen.

    • Evan NYC

      Basically it was a decision of valuing a guy who throws harder vs a guy who throws longer. Both being around for another 3 weeks either way. Meh, as long as Veras doesn’t find his was in the AL East then I’m content with it.

  • Evan NYC

    At least we don’t have to watch Veras come in in a low-leverage situation and put 2 men on via walk and or 3-0 hits. I won’t miss him.

  • chriskeo

    As has been stated many times, the bullpen in April is much different than the one in September, by the end of the summer neither of them will be here, (unless tomko is lights out) so this move should’ve been thought of by the yankees in the short term.

  • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

    I like the move. Tomko’s been good except for shitting the bed against the Mets. If he were gone instead, I’d have no problem, though. I’m just glad to see Bruney back.

    • Justin

      Here here. Hopefully he returns to form quickly, it would be a ncie boost.

  • Charlie

    i’m fine with him being a reliever, but anyone know why Melancon isn’t a starter? Not enough pitches? Not good enough stuff?

    • Justin

      Good question. I think he was a closer in college, so maybe the Yanks just didn’t want to mess with a good thing?

      Well now that I just typed that, it makes more sense. If he was a closer and needed TJ surgery eventually, the Yanks probably just don’t think his arm can handle it. I think he’s got 3-4 pitches, but is more of a 2-pitch guy in terms of his best stuff(fastball and curve).

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Both.

    • JohnnyC

      He’s a max effort guy. And was a closer pretty much throughout his college career.

  • Zach

    If Veras gets on another big league roster will you guys be rooting for him?

    • Justin

      Heh, depends on what team.

    • Charlie

      no

    • JohnnyC

      No, like a Sox fan, he would be dead to me. Just like Nomar is.

  • Evan BK

    Will the bring Ransom back and DFA Berroa soon as well?

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      I wonder if we use the open spot on the 40 man now to add another position player for increased flexibility. UTI Kevin Russo and his .357/.449/.393 line at Scranton? John Rodriguez and his .286/.373/.503? Shelley Duncan Pt. Deux (.303/.378/.649)?

      • JohnnyC

        Would help in the 9 games they’re playing in NL parks.

      • I Remember Celerino Sanchez

        It’s an idea. The thing to remember, though, is there are future roster management issues implicated. Once you put Shelley or J-Rod on the 25-man, they are, I’m sure, out of options, so if you need a spot on the 25- or 40-man, you have to waive them to remove them. (I know, neither is likely to be claimed, but still.) Russo has an option, so the 25-man isn’t an issue, but considering you probably aren’t going to give up on him this year, the 40-man spot could be a problem.

        In a way, Ransom is a more fungible 40-man member. Activate him, DFA Berroa, and if it turns out that Ransom is as awful as a utility guy as he was as the starting third baseman, then you can always DFA him if you need the spot.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Meh, it’s moot to me, because I see Ransom, Berroa, Shelley, and J-Rod as all identical:

          Cannon fodder. Use ‘em while you need ‘em, then DFA ‘em into oblivion when they’ve outlived their usefulness.

      • whozat

        Well, you can DFA Berroa and get back Ransom in one transaction, and still have a 40-man slot open. I think you fill that slot when you discover what you need…if ARod, Pena or Cano or Jeter goes on the 15-day, then you add Russo. If it’s an OFer or Tex, you add Rodriguez or Shelley.

  • Arod, all the time

    Wow. When I first read that I read “Bruney arrested”, and the first thing that crossed my mind was he better stop hanging with Joba. My error, though. I’m glad that’s not the case.

    Would Tomko have a place in any other ML pen? (I think not) Discuss amongst yourselves.

    • chriskeo

      its possible, but wasn’t he on a minor league deal to start the season, and he wasn’t even on the 40 man at that point. He wants to pitch in the majors, if he thought he had a solid job somewhere he would not be in the Bronx.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      This from the guy whose team used Javier Lopez in 14 games. Tomko was like, their 15th relief option.

      • Arod, all the time

        Javier Lopez ERA+ 2006-8: 176, 153, 190. Javier Lopez ERA+ for 11.2 innings in 2009: 51. As you can see, since the Sox have options they aren’t forced to hold onto guys who ain’t working anymore.

        The Yanks? not so much.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          As you can see, since the Sox have options they aren’t forced to hold onto guys who ain’t working anymore.

          *cough*juliolugo*cough*
          *cough*
          davidortiz*cough*
          *cough*
          jasonvaritek*cough*

          • Arod, all the time

            Touche

  • -Scott a.k.a. BINNER

    Can we DFA Tomko and bring up Melancon next? WHo knows when Marte is coming back for sure…

    -BINNER

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Meh, too soon. Don’t worry, It’ll happen.

      • JP

        Oh what’s so great about Marte anyway? Where does everyone get this idea?

        /provocation

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Heh.

        • jsbrendog

          well played

  • JP

    I’m going to miss his all-out, lurching delivery, and darting ball flight.

    I won’t miss the walks.

  • pat

    This is so wonderful.

  • Mister Delaware

    I don’t mind dumping Veras as much as I mind dumping Veras over Tomko. Whatever the logic is behind the move disturbs me.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Meh, if, like we’ve been saying, they’re both gonna end up getting DFA’d in the next month or two, I get the logic.

      Veras is gonna end up having more value, so DFA him and trade him first to a team that is willing to give you something that might help. Tomko has less value but is actually pitching well now, so keep him and get the benefit of him not walking guys right now.

    • Stryker

      as it’s been said before, it’s only a matter of time before tomko gets designated for assignment. it just so happens that tomko has had a better time getting the ball over the plate.

  • sockboy50

    I think that its a valid point that Tomko’s duties as a reliever are new to him being that he was a starter before for many years. Veras on the other hand has had a longer amount of time to ‘get jiggy’ with the relievers role , so the fact that Tomko throws less strikes by one is not that big a deal. Its the lesser of two evils – i admit that i have not faith in Tomko either but at least he ‘kinda’ knows where the ball ‘should’ be going when he throws it. Also the redsox (im a sox hater) may have some baggage in ortiz and lugo but do have many choices in the pitching department ps i think marte is going to be just as big a bust as veras (long live Phil Coke)also where is Brackman? any updates on him?

  • Fred

    Tomko needs to go too.

    Hard to believe we can’t find better.

    • JP

      Really? I think, league wide, pitching is atrocious. I think it’s hard to believe you can find any decent, reliable relief pitchers.

  • sockboy50

    Yeah I agree with you
    Tomko needs to go too
    Do you think if we give our AA and AAA pitchers a chance that we’ll see more stories like David Robertson who was given the opporunity quickly to show what he can do on the big league level?

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