Bruney to Trenton as bullpen moves loom

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After Joba Chamberlain‘s short four-inning appearance yesterday, the Yankees went to Brett Tomko in an effort to piece together the game’s final 15 outs. Tomko promptly allowed the first five batters he faced to reach and was yanked when he walked another with two outs in the inning. Meanwhile, the Yankees announced that Brian Bruney would make a rehab appearance in Trenton today. It sounds as though Bruney will need just one appearance to be game-ready, and the Yanks may be able to activate him as soon as Tuesday. While the Yankees could option David Robertson back to Scranton, if Brett Tomko is still around come the Nationals series, I will be both surprised and annoyed.

The Yankees need bullpen help now. While Damaso Marte — recipient of a very ill-advised three-year deal this past winter — heads south for a visit with James Andrews, Burney is the best internal candidate. The right roster move at to complement his return from the DL will involve the departure of either Tomko or Jose Veras, and Bruney’s return should go a long way toward alleviating our late-inning concerns.

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  • RAB poster

    I heard the White Sox are dealing Dotel and Bobby Jenks, both of whom are having terrific seasons.

    • GG

      Jenks season has been to a normal Jenks season as Mo’s has been to a normal Mo season

  • http://161stStreet.wordpress.com Chris A

    If D-Rob goes down, I will be furious. I think I will personally have to give Yankee management a talking. I don’t even want to think about the possibility of Robertson going down in favor of Mr. Walk Machine.

    • Stryker

      david robertson is the next chris britton, unfortunately for him.

      • radnom

        Nah, Robertson can actually succeed at the ML level.

        • radnom

          BTW I’m talking about Britton the Yankee, not Britton the Oriole….

      • http://161stStreet.wordpress.com Chris A

        Well, now Britton is with the Padres in the minors and he is not even on the 40 man roster. Is that what the Yankees want to happen to Robertson. Plus, I think Robertson is a better pitcher than Chris and I think he has much greater potential.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          They released Britton about a week ago.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

      As I said to Ben after the game last night, more Robertson please.

    • steve (different one)

      there is almost zero chance of Robertson going down. you guys are creating something to get angry about.

      if you’ve been watching the last 2 weeks, you’ve noticed Robertson has moved up to like 3rd in Girardi’s pecking order.

  • RAB poster

    Why are Tomko and Veras here but not Melancon (for Tomko and a shaved monkey (for Veras)?

    I’m serious about Melancon though.

    • AndrewYF

      Exactly. Melancon should be getting Tomko’s and Veras’ innings. He can’t have done much worse than Tomko tonight, and it would be hard for him to fail harder than Veras, who seems to be tied with Angel Berroa for the 25th spot on the roster.

      • steve (different one)

        Melancon has not been pitching well in AAA since he got sent down.

        before last night, Tomko had done a good enough job.

        i get it, Melancon is part of the future, Tomko isn’t. Tomko is fodder, he gave some decent innings and can be ditched without much regret.

        but since getting sent down, Melancon has a 4.85 ERA in 13 IPs. let’s not act like the Yankees have a guy pitching like Goose Gossage in AAA and they are refusing to bring him up.

        this is Melancon’s first tast of failure. need to see how he responds.

  • RAB poster

    Second parenthese after (for Tomko).

  • Derby

    Hmmm, I wonder what the odds are that the yankees get Street, and what it would cost to get him. He’d be an awesome 8th inning man and could slide in nicely once Mo Almighty retires. Imagine having Bruney, Street, and Mo for 7, 8, and 9?

    • Stryker

      it’d probably cost the yankees at least 2 B level prospects. remember, street went over to colorado for matt holliday – and he means just as much to the team. if the yankees want to land street, it’d probably cost them at least 2 B level prospects. i’d suspect something along the lines of Zach McAllister/Aceves/Kontos and perhaps a lower level bat. but in reality, only Mo knows.

      • steve (different one)

        if the Yankees want Street, they are going to have to give up something that hurts.

        we probably all need to resign ourselves to that fact. i don’t think this is one time where Cashman is going to be able to trade a bunch of magic beans for a mid-season boost.

        Street is signed through next year, right?

        they are going to have to give up a real asset. and that might be the right move. this team is actually good enough to win it all if they shore up their bullpen. that’s probably worth trading something for.

        • Derby

          Yea, I’ve said all along to all my friends that if this team had a decent bullpen that I could really feel a championship run. As much as I hate to admit it, Francesca is right when he says that the difference between us and the “sawx” is in the bullpen. Other than Mo and maybe Robertson and Aceves, I don’t feel confident at all in the bullpen. We need a good, strong bullpen if we expect to make it in the playoffs

          • AndrewYF

            Not really. You need a strong top 2 or 3 starters, an offense that can at least scratch out runs, and a strong setup man and closer. If the 4th man in the bullpen is getting any serious playing time, you’ve got bigger problems than who that guy is.

            • Derby

              Ok, you say that, but without Bruney, we don’t have a strong set up man. You can’t trot him out for every game in a playoff series, that’s why we need more than just Bruney.

  • jonathan

    In other bullpen news Jonathan Papelbon was fined by the league for hamming it up on the mount and taking to long between pitches…I guess his “signature” exagurated stare in is gonna hit the shelf.
    As for our pen, it would be nice to get bruney back but he just seems so fragile. I would love to get Dotel or Jenks…more Dotel because he pitched well for us before and he could hack it here…that and he would be cheaper than Jenks. What could we offer…they need a lead off hitter with speed, man I wish Jackson was ready. We could package Gardener with Edwar and someone else to pull Dotel I think.

    • Tony

      Don’t think they can afford to trade GGBG.

      • jonathan

        I know, it just that if we knew that Austin Jackson was ready to come up. What would Gardener offer us that Austin Jackson doesnt? We have Gardener up for defence and speed…Austin Jackson has both, I dont think we have a great interal option to solve this bullpen issue. If we had Marte health, Dotel Bruney and Mo at the backend it would be game over.

        • Tony

          The OF is in no shape to be dealing guys off. Swisher and Melky are in Dreamland, who knows what’s up with Damon, and Nady is a complete wildcard. Gardner isn’t a luxury right now (and I would argue that he won’t ever be a luxury for a team starting Melky Cabrera). It’s safe to assume they don’t want Jackson in the majors yet, certainly not into a situation where he’s being counted on to perform.

          • Tony

            And who is this lights-out Dotel you keep talking about? He’s 2008 Jose Veras with a bigger deal. I don’t think that 10 ERA counts as “pitching well with us” either.

            • jonathan

              Ok tony I forgot that noone else is allow to have an option….your right. If you look up the game logs for his time with us the numbers were inflated by a few bad games. This season, which is the one we are actually playing in NOW…he has been really good. He pitched for us when he came back for surgery, I think is a viable option for the pen. Oh yeah did I mention your right….

              • Tony

                No reliever with a 1.50 WHIP is “really good.” This isn’t a matter of opinion. And he was consistently terrible with the Yankees, so why even mention that season? His numbers were inflated by being bad.

                • jonathan

                  Umm 3/5 of our starting rotation has a WHIP around 1.50. He has a WHIP of exactly 1.50 with a 3 ERA and a ~.200 BAA, I am sorry I would take that in a second over what we have coming out of the pen right now.

                • http://www.teamnerdrage.com leokitty

                  A WHIP 1.5 is not good for a starting pitcher but it is TERRIBLE for a reliever. There are different standards for the two.

                  Anyway he’s Octavio Dotel so he’s going to be hurt soon anyway. Why bother acquiring him?

          • jonathan

            Ok, well I guess that I respectfully disagree with you assessment of our outfield. I think that Melky is a outstanding centerfielder, and that he is at least comparible to Gardener. It seems that Gardner has been religated to 4thOF/PR duties for the most part, which any one with speed and decent range could do.
            Hey I wish we had the prospects to get Dotel or Street straight up but we dont. I think that a outfield of Johnny Damon, Melky, Swisher with Shelley Duncan and/or Austin Jackson is just as good as having Gardener. We need pen help man and we need to make sacrifices.

            • steve (different one)

              Hey I wish we had the prospects to get Dotel or Street straight up but we dont.

              says who?

              of course we have the prospects to get Dotel. he’s owed a lot of money and isn’t all that good.

              • Stryker

                Dotel is essentially a Jose Veras type IF he’s healthy and can put it all together – but with a MUCH bigger contract.

                and really, we’ve tried the Dotel experiment already. nooooooo thank you.

                • Zach

                  i dont like dotel, but not fair to say the experiment failed already. he was coming off TJ surgery

                • Ed

                  Not that I want Dotel, but, it’s not fair to judge him off his time with the Yankees. He was returning from Tommy John surgery and clearly hadn’t fully recovered yet.

    • radnom

      Do you have a link for this?

      That is fantastic, that guy is such a douche.

      • jonathan

        It was on the yahoo front page, he got fined 1000 for the first offence.

        http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-papelbonfined&prov=ap&type=lgns

      • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

        …last 15 hours…

        Is that an autocorrected 15 outs, hyperbole, meta for, or you’ll never tell?

        I really had high hopes for Tomko.
        Btw, I ripped Joe for pulling CC last time, so I want to publicly support him for leaving him 2 nights back.

        Posada to teh DH!!!

    • Accent Shallow

      No thanks on Dotel. Guy is far too HR prone. (Career HR/9: 1.2)

      He also walks his share of betters (4.0 BB/9). He’s Kyle Farnsworth with better strikeout chops. Keep me far away.

      • steve (different one)

        i agree, but at this point “Kyle Farnsworth with better strikeout chops” is an upgrade for the yankee bullpen. if it was a salary dump, i would take him.

  • http://www.bronxbaseballdaily.com Bronx Baseball Daily

    As long as they don’t send Hughes down I’m happy. I’d love to see them DFA either Veras or Tomko. I can’t see any other teams pick them up either.

    • steve (different one)

      someone would pick up Veras. the Nationals, at the least. someone looking for a cheap starter might take Tomko.

      not that that should stop the yankees from getting rid of either, but someone might pick them up.

    • GG

      I certainly could be wrong, but I think either one would get claimed look at all the teams with terrible bullpens

    • Drew

      Veras is 26 with too much potential to be DFA’d.

      • cult of basebaal

        veras is 26 with no idea where his fastball is going 50% of the time and with a delivery that makes it essentially impossible that he ever will …

        • Drew

          Well I guess we disagree. He’s got nasty stuff, if our guru’s can find a way for him to harness it, he can be a great bullpen guy.

          • cult of basebaal

            Actually, I believe you just *agreed* with me, Veras has little idea where what he throws is going, hence the below average w/9, k/bb & hr/9.

            As for whether our “gurus” can fix him, they’ve had him in the majors for nearly 1 1/2 years and he’s gotten steadily worse, so maybe we shouldn’t be dreaming on him turning into something useful anytime soon.

            But who knows, maybe the fact that Veras has only pitched ONCE since 6/2 is part of the master plan. Maybe right now, as i type this, Nardi Contreras has Veras naked and wired on a pitching mound, somewhere deep in the unknown secret dungeons under NYS, and is shocking Jose’s “nardis” (as it were) everytime Veras throws a ball out of the strikezone.

        • ClayBuchholzLovesLaptops

          Veras is 28 and not 26. What we are seeing now is likely his peak with last year being a fluke.

  • GG

    I don’t think we’d put the package for Jenks together anyway, but hypothetically if we did: Does anyone know how much longer he’s under team control? He’s on a one year 5.6 mil deal he signed to avoid arb…He would be an incredible pickup if we could swing that somehow

    • Stryker

      i think you answered your own question.

      • GG

        did I?

        • Stryker

          yes.

          Does anyone know how much longer he’s under team control? He’s on a one year 5.6 mil deal he signed to avoid arb

          in case you couldn’t infer from what you said he’s got 2 more arbitration years to go before he hits free agency.

          • GG

            Word, I know three arb years is the standard, but I thought that there were circumstances where you could have more or less. So if he is under team control for two more years after this, he’s a pretty valuable commodity. What do you think his cost in a trade would be?

            • Ed

              You can’t have less than 3 arbitration years, but you can get 4. You need 3 years service time to be eligible, but if finish a season with about 2 3/4 years of service time you’ll be eligible an extra time.

  • JeffG

    I think Veras has some value for a team that is out of contention and has the patience to work his kinks out. Perhaps a change of scenery will do him some good as well.
    Cashman should be working the phone to try get Veras dealt for BP help… it would be nice to see him package a Shelly Duncan and get him a chance to play in the NL.

    • Zach

      Why would a team give up a BP arm for Veras?

      • JeffG

        Obviously not straight up… but a team may get a couple of pieces they need and see something in Veras (similar to what we thought we had to start the season) and take a chance to turn him back around.

        Shelly would be a useful player in the NL (even if off the bench) and perhaps Miranda, top of the line guy you might package Kennedy but I would hope we keep him.

        Just saying Veras would be best used as a chip because at this point we need his spot on the 25 man. If a team is not pushing for the playoffs they might see the tools… think Edwin Jackson.

        • cult of basebaal

          true, when i think veras i *do* think chip.

          potato chip.

          as in, i’d trade him for a bag of them.

          though only if they were original with light salt. none of that crappy flavoring people seem to require to bastardize things with these days …

        • Zach

          What kind of BP arm is Veras/Duncan/Miranda going to get you (Kennedy just had surgery so hes not getting traded)? Every team has a Veras or Duncan like player in their system, a rebuilding team wants young players to build up, not 28-29 year old AAAA players

  • Charlie

    Great news if Bruney can actually stay healthy, and it would be absolutely ridiculous if they send D-Rob down. He’s one of the best 3 pitchers in the yanks pen right now, and Brett Tomko and Jose Veras are both completely awful. With the way this roster has been organized, though, it wouldn’t suprise me if Robertson is sent down.

  • Elrod Hendricks Had Class

    The Yanks bullpen (other than Rivera and Bruney) has been a strange combination of supposed younger prospects and older projects – the polite term used to be “journeyman” – for too long. The lack of defined roles for these guys appears to be as much of a problem as lack of talent and/or ability to put away opposing batters.

    • Drew

      Older projects? Like who? Tomko is the only “journeyman” and he earned his spot.

      • Elrod Hendricks Had Class

        I should have defined “for too long” much better. Was thinking along the lines of Felix Heredia, Al Reyes, Chris Hammond, Tanyon Sturtze, Ron Villone, Luis Vizcaino, Kyle Farnsworth and Jose Veras for some examples of bullpen projects – at least in their roles with the Yankees – although Veras is not that much “older” than kids off the farm.

  • JP

    I finally looked up Huston Street and his line looks sort of confusing. After the sensational rookie year, he’s been basically stuck with a 3.something ERA, which seems high for an elite closer. Still, his HR rate is pretty low (career about the same as Mo and Papelbon), and his walks are also low. Why the high-ish ERA?

    Assuming no health issues, though, it might be worth sending decent prospect for him. There aren’t many relief pitchers this good available.

    It will be interesting if they send Tomko down, rather than DFA Veras. I wonder why Veras would still be with them once Bruney came back. I guess as an insurance policy, given Bruney’s fragility.

  • JP

    While we’re on the subject of bullpens, who would say they’d rather Cashman had signed KRod, instead of Burnett? Anyone? Anyone? Buehler? Anyone?

  • cuponoodles

    What about Z. Kroenke? He’s killin’ em in AAA…

    I would give up Duncan/Kennedy/Veras for Street in a heartbeat.

    Rivera
    Street
    Bruney
    Robertson
    Aceves
    Coke
    Marte/Albie/Edwar/Hughes/Wang

    Not bad, eh?