Fences, not wind, create Stadium homer haven

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On the eve of Opening Day at Yankee Stadium, I wrote a piece about the shape of the field at the new park. While team officials had long claimed the new field would have the same dimensions of the old, an overlay of the two fields proved otherwise. With flat fences dominating the left- and right-field power alleys in the stadium, I predicted a hitters’ park. Little did I realize what George had wrought.

The story of the offense is well worn by now. Home runs at the new park are on pace to challenge home run records. Fly balls into right field are sailing over the wall. It’s the wind currents. Yadda yadda yadda.

While we can’t really dispute the home run explosion anymore, the meteorologist at AccuWeather.com are sticking up for the wind. The weather is not to blame, says Tim Buckley. Rather, the fences are.

Buckley’s piece leads with the graphic below, and it’s hard to dispute his findings. In fact, I had been researching a similar piece to find out if the fences were impacting the game, and Buckley and his researchers basically did it for me. They examined “detailed schematics” of the two stadiums and concluded that the new park’s differences have “significant implications.” He writes:

In right field, the newfound homer haven, the wall structure is slightly different than the old park. The main difference involves curvature. The gentle curve from right field to center field seen in the original Yankee Stadium has largely been eliminated at the new stadium. This is due in large part to the presence of a manual scoreboard embedded within the wall. Losing this curvature has resulted in a right field that is shorter by 4 to 5 feet on average, but up to 9 feet in spots.

Not only is the famed short porch even shorter in the new stadium, but the walls themselves are not as tall. In the old ballpark, the walls in right field stood at a height of approximately 10 feet. At this height, it was difficult for outfielders to scale the wall and attempt to rob a home run over the fence. Fast forward to 2009, and the outfielders have been scaling the wall without any trouble. The result? The new outfield fences only rise to a height of 8 feet, adding to the ease hitting a home run to right.

Taking into account the dimensions of the field and wall height, AccuWeather.com has calculated that 19 percent (20 out of 105) home runs would not have flown out of the old stadium. If the first 29 games are any indication, 293 home runs will be hit by the end of the year at the new Yankee Stadium, just short of the record of 303 home runs hit at Denver’s Coors Field in 1999. If this is the case, as many as 56 home runs could be attributed to the size of the new playing field

As to the weather, Buckley sums it up: “There has been no consistent pattern observed in the wind speed and direction that would lead to an increase in home runs so far this year.”

Over the next few days, we’ll have more on the design choices that went into the new stadium and Major League Baseball’s reaction to it. For now, we seem to know the culprit, and it is as we predicted it would be in April. The fences carry some of the blame.

In the end, though, the question remains: Does it matter? Both the Yankees and their opponents are hitting in the same park, and if the Yanks’ pitchers are better, the Yanks’ bats stand to benefit. The fans love the homer barrage, and it makes the games never out of reach. I think we’ll all have to learn to live with a homer-happy stadium, and we’ll have to like it. After all, chicks and Mark Teixeira dig the long ball.

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  • Texeiramvp (JobaCyYoung)/Letsgoyankees-It depends on the blog

    Nope, it’s absolutely no problem at all.

  • pete c.

    Pitching and defense, not, de fence win championships. The old stadium may not have been the prototypical pitchers park, but this is ridiculous.

    • Texeiramvp (JobaCyYoung)/Letsgoyankees-It depends on the blog

      Both teams have the same opportunity to hit HR’s so who cares?

      • Doug

        It matters because free agent pitchers will have 2nd thoughts about signing on with us

        • Texeiramvp (JobaCyYoung)/Letsgoyankees-It depends on the blog

          I doubt that. You’d be surprised what large amounts of cash could do to change your attitude.

          • Chris

            Exactly. Fenway park is a very good hitters park and they still manage to sign free agent pitchers. So far this year I believe it’s actually more of a hitters park than YSIII.

        • Zach

          Yeah so did CC, then we showed him $150m

          • Doug

            we didn’t have the park we do know when he signed.

            i’m not saying it’d be #1 on his list of factors to consider, but i’d be willing to bet it’d be on the list somewhere.

            • Doug

              “we didn’t have the park we do know when he signed.”

              meant “we didn’t have the park we do NOW when he signed.” (of course)

      • Am I the only Kevin?

        I read an article once that seemed to indicate that historical data supported that teams that play in pitcher’s parks seem to do better record wise. The rationale is that their pitching staff (bullpen, in partic.) doesn’t get worn down as much, and the bullpen is the weak underbelly of virtually every MLB team.

        The idea that no team gets an advantage because “both teams have to play in the same park” is a complete fallacy. This is only true for any given game, but we all know that any given baseball game is shaped by the games before and after. The home team plays half of its games in its home park, and most times in bunches of 6-10 games in a row. They then get worn down, while the visiting staff of teams with pitcher’s parks instead get a 6-10 respite from 10-8 slugfests.

        • Doug

          absolutely true. i mentioned this earlier. extremely taxing on a bullpen pitching in a bandbox for 81 games.

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      Just out of curiosity, do you complain about the way the park plays when the Yankees hit home runs? It seems that everyone hates the new park when the opposition is up to bat, but everyone loves it when the Yankees are up.

      I’ve got no problem with them curving the fences again (they probably should) but if they kept it the way it is now, I don’t think I’d be too angry. After all, the Yankees have a strikeout centric rotation (Sabathia, Burnett, Chamberlain) and have some pretty good home run hitters (A-Rod, Tex, Jorge, Swish). In the long run, I think the Yankees will benefit more from this park than their opponents.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Just out of curiosity, do you complain about the way the park plays when the Yankees hit home runs? It seems that everyone hates the new park when the opposition is up to bat, but everyone loves it when the Yankees are up.

        There’s plenty of things that people enjoy that they know are bad for them in the long run and pose negative long-term consequences.

        This Yankee stadium powersurge is like smoking cigarettes. Sure, it feels good now because Melky looks useful and we’re in first place, but in the long run, it’s probably not all that healthy for the team. I’d trade back those Melky HR’s in exchange for fewer HR’s from the Ben Fransiscos and Carlos Ruizes and Gabe Kaplers of the world.

        • http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/413671602_daded72a81_m.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi


        • Zach

          “I’d trade back those Melky HR’s in exchange for fewer HR’s from the Ben Fransiscos and Carlos Ruizes and Gabe Kaplers of the world.”

          Ben Fransiscos had 15hr last year, away from yankee stadium
          Gabe Kapler had 8hr in 229AB last year
          Carlos Ruiz has a HR before

          Gardner hit a HR in toronto- should they move their walls back?

          • JP

            Come on Zach, get serious. Big time homer parks mean more runs, more at bats, more pitches for pitchers. With the Yankees playing half of their games in this environment, over the course of a season their pitching staff will have more work to do. It puts them at a disadvantage relative to other teams.

            The best parks are neutral or slightly pitching-friendly. I’m not sure how a majorly pitching-friendly park favors a team, but I know Fenway is much more pitcher friendly since they did their renovations, and of course we know how their team is doing. Oakland has a pretty consistent record and is a pitchers’ park. On the other hand, I guess the metrodome is a hitters’ park, and Petco is a pitchers’ park but the Padres suck.

            • Zach

              I dont disagree with you, but lets not act like we have Jose Molina up there with 20home runs, Francisco did hit 15hr last year.

              Doesnt Boston have the worst starters ERA in the majors? So Fenway is helping them win? Good teams win no matter what park they play in.Phillies won the WS last year in a pitchers park, Colorado got to the WS the year before.

  • http://www.votepaulformayor.blogspot.com jsbrendog


    • http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/413671602_daded72a81_m.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      But… Hold on a sec… Don’t we have to stop mocking people who call the new stadium a bandbox since it, well, really is a bandbox?

      And I’ll throw in my vote for killing the “!!1!1!” meme. It was funny for a long time, but at its core it’s really just an ad hominem attack (it’s a snarky way to accuse people you disagree with of being… less intelligent).

  • Chris

    YSIII has given up 105 home runs in 29 games. At an average pace, YSII would give up roughly 58 home runs in 29 games. That means that 47 ‘extra’ home runs were hit at YSIII. Explaining 20 of the home runs is great, but that still leaves most of the increase unexplained.

    • UWS

      I’m sure the wind currents account for some of them as well. Just as you can’t blame the wind for 100% of the homers, you can’t blame the fences for all of them, either. It’s a bit of everything, I’m sure…including some crappy pitching!

    • JP

      My thoughts exactly. I don’t care what the weather guy says, wind is a factor.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside


      • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

        The wind doesnt even have to be ‘weather’ related…we’ve gone over open concourses and hugeatrons (bigger than jumbotrons)ad nauseum.

        I don’t want to see blue tarps hanging around like this is Alabama after a tornado, and I dont think they should remove the old fashioned scoreboard (maybe they could segment it, to have gentle curve in it?) or raise the walls (seats!)…well, at least i dont want them to until we know who hit which of those balls :)

        I know we’ve got Jorgie for one of them!

      • Zach

        were Andy Sonnanstine 88mph down the middle helped by wind?

  • Arman Tamzarian

    “I think we’ll all have to learn to live with a homer-happy stadium, and we’ll have to like it” I get the sense that you don’t think the Yankees will move the fences?

  • Texeiramvp (JobaCyYoung)/Letsgoyankees-It depends on the blog

    I’m sure a lot of the increase is just do to us being a better hitting team than before.

  • Simon B.

    I think it does matter. I don’t want the Yankees to play in a park that’s in its own category regarding park factors and such. Every time a hitter does well at Coors, or a pitcher does well at Petco, we always have to consider the implication of their park, and I don’t want it to be like that.

    It’s not so horrible that I can’t bear it, but I hope they do fix it during the offseason.

    • UWS

      Every time a hitter does well at Coors, or a pitcher does well at Petco, we always have to consider the implication of their park, and I don’t want it to be like that.

      Isn’t that what home/away splits are for?

    • Texeiramvp (JobaCyYoung)/Letsgoyankees-It depends on the blog

      So what if they have to consider the implications of the park? It’s a good thing we play there then, or else Jeet’s season wouldn’t be quite so good. And guess what? I don’t care.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        But the tradeoff for Jeter’s season being a little better is that CC, AJ, Joba, Hughes, Wang, Pettitte, Mo, Bruney, Marte, Coke, Aceves, Veras, Edwar, etc. etc.’s seasons have all been more than a little worse.

        The benefit a good hitter gets from a hitter’s park is smaller than the harm a good pitcher incurs from a hitter’s park, in my opinion.

        • Texeiramvp (JobaCyYoung)/Letsgoyankees-It depends on the blog

          CC has given up like one HR at the stadium.

          I think that our team, with plenty of lefties and switch hitters, as well as strikeout/sinkerball pitchers, fits the park like a glove.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            CC has given up like one HR at the stadium.

            That’s only one of the names I listed.

            • Texeiramvp (JobaCyYoung)/Letsgoyankees-It depends on the blog

              I know that’s only one of the names you listed but I addd more than that to my comment anyway.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                Yes, you added this:

                “I think that our team, with plenty of lefties and switch hitters, as well as strikeout/sinkerball pitchers, fits the park like a glove.”

                Which is immaterial to the conversation at hand. The conversation at hand is that even if we “fit the park like a glove”, the park still has a harmful effect on our pitchers that can’t be ignored.

                Other parks would also “fit us like a glove” and not be so extremely tilted towards hitters.

                • Texeiramvp (JobaCyYoung)/Letsgoyankees-It depends on the blog

                  No, I think the fact that we have the best hitting team and it’s tilted to hitters is great.

                  We have great pitching, so their job is to hold opponents to less runs than we score. Which they should.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  We have great pitching, so their job is to hold opponents to less runs than we score. Which they should.

                  And we make their job harder by skewing the park to the extreme favor of the hitters.

                  Look, YS3 is an interesting test case. Heading into this year, the three most extreme parks in baseball one way or another were Coors Field, the Ballpark at Arlington, and Petco Park – I’d argue that those parks likely hurt those team’s abilities to field consistent winners, but the data is really muddled because those organizations haven’t always pursued sound roster-building concepts. YS3 would be the first extreme park to host a WS champion that I can think of. This will answer the question of how much talent is necessary to overcome an extreme park.

                  I’m sure we can overcome it, I just think we’re best served in the long run to make the park less extreme so that we don’t excessively deflate the value of our pitching.

                • Texeiramvp (JobaCyYoung)/Letsgoyankees-It depends on the blog

                  They should hold opponents to less ryns because we hit so much better too, not just holding other hitters’ down.

                • Doug

                  having a bandbox is also not good long-term because it will kill a bullpen. starters will only be able to go 6 innings or so, requiring the pen to get upwards of 9 outs. not healthy.

                • http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/413671602_daded72a81_m.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  “They should hold opponents to less ryns because we hit so much better too, not just holding other hitters’ down.”

                  Meh… Too easy.

  • JohnnyC

    If AJ keeps pitching like this he’d better be handy with an acetylene torch this off-season just to earn his keep.

    • UWS

      He’ll probably miss and burn down half the stadium.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

        He’d have no idea where the torch was going.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          The fire would be straight and fast, though.

          When the hell did A.J. Burnett become the starting pitcher version of Kyle Farnsworth?

          • ChrisS

            He always has been.

            He walked nine guys in his no-hitter.

  • josh

    what is the average # of hr hit per season in yankee stadium over the last 10 years or so?

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

    I’d still rather fix it in the offseason than “live with it”.

    An extreme park in either direction lessens the marginal utility for a superior team in terms of overall talent. Since we plan on having superior teams of overall talent vs. our competitors as part of our fundamentally sound strategy, our best option is to have a park as neutral as possible, so that there are no park factors to diminish the edges we’re likely to have in both pitching and hitting.

    • I Remember Celerino Sanchez


      I don’t doubt there is wind at play. And I know that Tex > Giambi and Swisher > Abreu (as home run hitters).

      But the first time I sat down in the Stadium (the 5th home game, I believe) and looked out at right field, it was obvious that the “bend” between RF and RCF that existed in YSII was not there in YSIII. It’s a HR-happy RF.

      Which means that it can be fixed. It may cost more than the Yanks would like, but they have to bend the wall like YSII. I’m okay if it means getting rid of the hand-operated scoreboard, mainly because the charm of the hand-operated scoreboards is lost by all of the ads around them. (Truth is, I don’t mind a single ad in YSIII except the ones around the hand-operated scoreboards.)

      In the end, the Yanks should want YSIII to play as neutral as possible, which maximizes the team’s financial might (as TSJC always points out).

    • JP

      I get the part about bandbox = more pitches, which tires out your staff, shortening their life, and decreasing your “marginal advantage” in that crappy hitters will occasionally hit homers at YS3 where they wouldn’t have elsewhere.

      But can you explain why an extreme pitchers’ park wouldn’t be a benefit? It would obviously help the pitchers over the course of a season and likely within individual games. You’d lose homers, and if you have alot of homer hitters, you lose some of your marginal advantage. But this is offset by the fact that other teams lose homers, too, and if you have a better homer team you likely have a better hitting team in general, and you will still reap an advantage by having more and better line drive hitters.

      N’cest pas?

  • Texeiramvp (JobaCyYoung)/Letsgoyankees-It depends on the blog

    I kind of like having a hitters’ park.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Since the strength of this team is supposed to be pitching, just like the strength of the team was pitching when we were winning titles in the old neutral park across the street, I don’t.

      • Texeiramvp (JobaCyYoung)/Letsgoyankees-It depends on the blog

        The strength of the team is STILL pitching.

        Now since we have a better offense than almost every team except MAYBE the Phillies, and because we have better pitching, we’ll be hitting more HR’s than the other team. Our strength hasn’t changed.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          What I’m saying is, pitching in a hitter’s park lessens the impact of our strength. It makes our pitching strength less of a strength by leveling the playing field between our good pitchers and the other team’s inferior pitchers.

          • Texeiramvp (JobaCyYoung)/Letsgoyankees-It depends on the blog

            I don’t think the playing field is leveled since our offense is so much better. Look at it like this: WE have CC. The other team is sending out Sonnanstine. Now the Rays get a cheap 3 run HR off CC, up 3-0.

            But our offense, which is so much better than everybody else’s, should score more runs in this ballpark. So we score five off bad pitcher Sonnanstine and everybody goes home happy.

            Wins will be the same, only ERA will differ and who cares?

            • ChrisS

              should score more runs in this ballpark

              Like Paul Oneill said, hitting home runs are hard and relatively rare.

              I’d rather it not be easier for guys that don’t normally go yard to whack a fastball or a hanging breaking pitch that they could normally only hit to the warning track on their best days than have Teixeira or Jeter hit a few extra home runs.

              Home runs aren’t predictable, over the course of a season, they should average out, and because the Yankees have a better than league average offense, and a better than league average pitching staff, they should come out ahead.

              Over the course of a short series, say an ALDS or ALCS, or do I dare, a WS, anything can happen and I’d rather not gamble that the Yankees will match Joe Thurston’s can of corn 3-run shot.

  • JP

    I’m not a meteorologist, but I have to disagree with his conclusion that wind has nothing to do with it.

    The wall explains only a portion of the added homers. And with the overall increase being so dramatic, it’s difficult to dismiss even half of this as a random chance thing.

    What weather data is he using to come to the conclusion that wind is not affecting things? It would seem to me that irrespective of overall city weather and wind patterns, the stadium itself could create wind currents that favor homeruns.

    I will not be content until I see the results of stadium wind measurements, and I am quite suspicious that certain elements of stadium architecture are creating a jet stream effect. Probably a combination of the height/shape of the grandstand, the height/shape of the bleachers and scoreboards, and the open concourses.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

      Well, when a meteorologist tells us that the wind patterns have not been consistent and cannot explain the increase in home runs, I’m inclined to believe him. Some of the increase can also be explained through a better offense. The Yanks as a team hit .271/.342/.427 in 2008. This year, they’re at .274/.354/.477. Thanks to Swisher, Teixeira and Damon, they’re just hitting better, and that too will impact offensive numbers.

      Of course, with those numbers, you encounter a chicken/egg problem. Are they hitting better because of the new park or are we focused on the new park because they are hitting better? The team’s road splits — .278/.351/.457 in 2009; .262/.335/.414 in 2008 — seems to suggest that this year’s offense really is that much better so far.

      • JP

        What I’m saying Ben is that I don’t think you need any sort of abnormal wind patterns in the city or in the region in order to explain it.

        It might be a “micro” meteorologic issue. In other words, normal weather outside, but the contours of the stadium, the open concourses, the adjacent YS2, etc., all create outblowing currents within the stadium.

      • Am I the only Kevin?

        I don’t think the Meteorologists are studying eddy currents within the stadium, just comparing weather data in general. There is a big difference between the two.

        Anyone who has lived in a city knows the difference. I had an apartment once that used to get gale force winds on the calmest of days just because of the direction the window faced, and the shape and orientation of my building and surrounding buildings. It is possible to maximize air flow and create wind and lift.

        As for whether YSIII does this, my own opinion based purely on watching games is that it must. I have seen more cases this season where the RFer reacts oddly to a ball and taking too shallow an initial break than normal.

        • JP

          Thank you. Well said!

  • Chip

    The Yankees have traditionally been one of the best left handed hitting teams in the world so why not have a park that plays to that? We’ve basically got the perfect team to play in this park as we can run a lineup of

    Jeter-R (who does most of his hitting to right anyway)

    out there against a right-handed pitcher. Also, our rotation has three strikeout pitchers in CC (who is also a lefty), Joba and AJ while having a groundball pitcher in Wang, another lefty in Pettite and a good combination of groundout/strikeout in Hughes. Doesn’t this park seem perfect for the team bandbox or not?

    Looking at the stats so far, the Yankees have hit more home runs in the stadium than their opponents 57-48 which seems to mean it’s a big advantage to them right?

    • I Remember Celerino Sanchez

      Chip, you make a good argument for why the Yanks’ set up makes the best of a bad situation. Your points are all valid as to why things could be a lot worse given the way the Stadium is playing.

      But I still think that a neutral Stadium is the best thing for a team with resources like the Yanks.

      • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

        If Jorgie, Tex, Arod and NICK SWISHER all are built to hit homers in any stadium, anything we do to make it easier for the other 14 hitters to hit a homer makes it worse on the pitchers.

        Imagine we have a 25′ fence that is 40′ farther back.

        how many homers do we have by somebody who’s name doesnt rhyme with ark esherra?

        • Chip

          It’s true that they can hit homers in any park but they’re also picking up some cheap ones. Cano, Damon, Jeter and Melky have all had a few go out that were cheap ones.

          Guys like Jorge, Tex, Arod and Swisher are mostly flyball hitters and with their strength, they can miss by a bit and still get a flyball to leave the yard.

          I’m not saying that I agree with the dimensions but I don’t think it’s as big of a deal as it’s being made out to be

          • Doug

            but do we want the cano, damon, jeter, and melky to be hitting 20+ HRs? most other teams’ best players are the canos, damons, jeters, and melkys of the world, maybe with one big bopper thrown in. if we limit the HR totals of the moderate power player, we benefit long-term since we have more raw power hitters in our lineup.

  • http://Youcan'tincreaseyourrange TLVP

    Baseball is a game of attrition. Our pitchers will have to throw more picthes than other teams if it is more diffiult to get out of an inning. Over the months that adds up.

    The easiest way of thinking about it is with our young pitchers. If Joba is on an 150 innings limit under normal circumstances and it turns out that it is 10% more difficult to get an out in the new stadium than the old, he should be on a 135 innings limit instead. Same for Hughes and all our future young pitchers.

    I think we all agree that curtailing Joba to 135 would have a detrimental effect on our ability to win this year. Opposing pitchers would of course not accumulate the same problem

    There are of course other negatives for the Yankees, primarily the effect on the BP, but also the fact that longer innings increases teh risk of injuries to position players marginally. There is also the problem we’ve seen so far a couple of times where the offense has a big inning and the manager is forced to switch pitcher to reduce the risk of injury

    • Texeiramvp (JobaCyYoung)/Letsgoyankees-It depends on the blog

      It’s neutralized by the major offensive upgrade, not to mention I think the number of extra pitches will be small.

      • http://Youcan'tincreaseyourrange TLVP

        But there is no accumulate offensive benefit for the team. In each and every game both ourselves and the opponent have teh same bnefit, but the impact on our pitchers accumulate over the season.

        So far Joba, CC, Andy and AJ have recorded 442 outs at home on 2509 pitches (5.68/out) and 439 outs on the road using 2315 pitches (5.27/out). 442 and 439 outs are not small samples but there is clearly correlation issues so the statistics have to be taken with a pinch of salt. However if we assume that it in fact is 7.6% more difficult to get an out in the new stadium. We’d expect our pitcher to have to throw 881 extra pitches which based on the average above for the road games equals 55.2 extra innings.

        If this is the situation it doesn’t have a huge impact – 7.6% extra effort at home would mean Joba’s innings limit woudl al else equal be 144 instead of 150 (i forgot to adjust for the away games in the above post), but it is clearly negative. 55 quality innings probably costs about $3-5m/year

        • Doug

          great analysis.

          i think one of the biggest problems with having a bandbox is how much more taxing on the pen it will be. remember, we have to play 81 games in it, opponents like the sox only 9 or 10. how many more pitches is our pen throwing than everyone else.

          • http://Youcan'tincreaseyourrange TLVP

            Looking at the averages per pitcher,

            Joba’s split is 6.13/5.15
            CC’s 5.31/4.84
            Andy 5.81/5.34
            AJ’s 5.66/5.89

            I think it is interesting that CC’s overall average 10-14% lower than the others and that Joba has the second lowest average

          • JP

            While I agree with everyone on the pitching/bullpen theory, where a bandbox is bad because it means more pitches, and therefore a weaker staff over the course of a season, this leads to an obvious second question:

            If a bandbox is bad for your team because it’s bad for the pitchers, wouldn’t an extreme pitchers’ park be an advantage, for the same reason? Your pitchers require less work to get the job done, and playing half their games in this environment makes them more rested and better equipped for the season long grind?

            So, someone explain to me why an extreme pitchers’ park would be bad.

            • Doug

              i personally don’t think it would be bad. not sure i’d be an advocate of one, but if i had to pick one extreme or the other, it’d most definitely be a pitcher’s park over a hitter’s park

            • http://Youcan'tincreaseyourrange TLVP

              It might not be that bad. Possible arguments would be

              If your pitchers become adjusted to an extreme home park, they’d be less prepared to handle an average park – i.e. too many fly balls, etc.

              Playing in something close to the norm probably makes you better prepared for all the road games.

              NL pitchers are pitching in more pitcher friendly parks because of the lack of a DH, but seem unable to handle the AL teams.

              Bottom line – I don’t know

              • JP

                Hmm. Interesting thoughts. But the basic idea is that pitchers get tired the more they have to work. Not really so with hitting/batting.

  • Klemy

    “I will not be content until I see the results of stadium wind measurements, and I am quite suspicious that certain elements of stadium architecture are creating a ‘Jeter’ stream effect.”


  • Drew

    I doubt that the fences can be exactly the same as they were in the old stadium. With the scoreboard and other implications, even with a makeover this winter I think there will still be some differences. When I think of that, I’d probably side with the fences being a little bit closer than a little bit further than YS2.

  • http://newstadiuminsider.com Ross

    Keep in mind, this report comes from the EXACT SAME WEBSITE that claimed the winds were the cause after two games at the new stadium. Crappu-weather is ALL ABOUT THE HYPE and constantly flip-flops. I just don’t understand how they could write stories like the one you guys referenced here:


    and then this one:


    that claim the wind is the main factor, and then come out with the article you referenced above.

    It is a joke.

    • http://www.votepaulformayor.blogspot.com jsbrendog

      because unlike some reporters and people in the media (im looking at you francesca), they seem to be able to look at contirbuting factors and amdit when their opinion has changed base don new data.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

      It’s not a joke. It’s getting more data and reevaluating a conclusion. The wind patterns may have a tendency to swirl one way instead of an another, but that doesn’t preclude the fences contributing to the offensive explosion.

      • http://newstadiuminsider.blogspot.com Ross

        I agree that the fences are the reason, but they were irresponsible for posting all of that wind crap just to feed into the hype and get hits for their website.

  • Axl

    You take 20 home runs away and it’s still in the 80’s. And for June that’s still quite a lot…but then again…you have to consider the fact that Home Runs in general are way up from recent years past. Plus I think CF is pushed OUT about 9 ft (by the looks of the dimensions on top of one another).

    So what do you do? Think the Yankees will do anything about it or leave it alone?

  • crawdaddy

    This offseason, the Yankees will most likely make some adjustments to the walls and do something like placing some back panels on the stadium to cutdown the wind current effects.

  • Eric

    Our pitchers care.

  • GG

    1.3 billion just doesnt buy the same kind of craftsmanship it used to, I mean you’d think they would have placed the wall right.

    • mustang

      LMAO… so true.

  • Bo

    Going to go out on a limb and say no matter what the park plays to in the future they won’t have much of a problem signing free agent pitchers. Follow the money

    • Doug

      If you’re a great pitcher, with a possible HOF career, I disagree that ballpark doesn’t factor into the decision

  • Am I the only Kevin?

    Hey TexMVP, why don’t we move the fences in to about another 50 feet. Then we can field three DHs in the outfield on home games and even use an extra infielder to make up for Jete’s lack of range. I mean, it will help us out more than other teams, right, because we have the best lineup.

    What? Wait a second … your telling me now that the Nick Greens and Puntos of the world will now be hitting as many HRs as Arod? That can’t be right…

    Bandboxes are not good for the home team. The kill the bullpen, and make 315 foot “blasts” from punch and judy hitters equivalent to 450 foot bombs, effectively decreasing the advantage you have over other teams.

  • MikeD

    It’s both, most likely: Fences and wind patterns. They can adjust the fences, but not sure what the can do to reduce the wind. I would guess the Yankees are looking at all options, but nothing will be done during the season.

    • JP

      I can almost guarantee they will do the following:

      1. End of this season: move fences back slightly, in right field and right center at least. I’ve heard they want to do this anyway to address issues of fan interference. Whether they arch or contour the wall as it was before, I’m not as sure of that. Seems to me the bleachers are probably shaped and constructed on the basis of a straight wall, and there is the issue of the scoreboard, too. I’m predicting they just move the fences back 10 feet or so, and possibly raise the wall height a bit.

      2. They will probably wait and see what next season brings before doing anything else. The old principle of not changing too many things, so that you know what effect the change had.

      3. If homers are still significantly up, they will start looking more into eddy currents, jet streams, wind, etc. The may alter the contour or size of scoreboards, mess with the open concourses, the open area at the top of the upper deck, etc.

  • Tony

    I maintain my scientifically unfounded stance that bandboxes level the playing field for inferior teams.

    Summary – it’s like adding randomly assigning bonus runs at some point in the middle of the game.

  • mustang

    “In the end, though, the question remains: Does it matter? Both the Yankees and their opponents are hitting in the same park, and if the Yanks’ pitchers are better, the Yanks’ bats stand to benefit.”

    I thinking it matters a little bit in a few areas:

    1- How can you realistically compare current Yankees player’s numbers with passed players when the HRs are leaving at such an alarming rate? (I could just see some kid in the future hitting 60 HR and people comparing him to Ruth or Mantle)

    2- I know people like the HR, but at this rate it’s almost like a video game. If it’s that easy it almost de-values the whole thing.

    3- Is this going to hurt the Yankees with free agent pitchers? I know it’s about the money, but I would think that free agent pitchers would have to consider what this stadium would do to their game.

    I just thinking that having this many HR cheapens the game a bit if I want to watch a HR display I watch the HR derby, but everyday it old fast.

    • mustang

      but everyday it gets old fast.