Try comparing their ERAs for the season and then we can talk. Hughes has been flat out dominant at times this year, Wang has yet to have one acceptable start.
C’mon bro. Wang >>>> Hughes. A bad 4 games doesn’t make him horrible. He’s a good pitcher. Hughes has been great, and not good. AJ has been pretty good, and horrible. AP has been good, and horrible. Joba’s been solid, with one or two speed bumps.
2006 Wang? Yes
2007 Wang? Yes
2008 Wang? Yes
2009 Wang? No, and its not even close.
I’ve yet to see the 06-08 Wang at any point this year. There are guys that lose it all of a sudden, for reasons that don’t seem to make any sense. Dontrelle Willis comes to mind. If you would have stuck with Dontrelle for the past few years, you were hurting your team. Wang with an ERA north of 14 is hurting the team.
Yeah guys keep praising Wang for the great game he is pitching today. He flat out sucks right now and should be put back into the bullpen and be lower in the pecking order than even Jose Veras.
Except Hughes and been healthy all year and Wang is still working himself back into gear. Hughes hasnt accomplished anything compared to Wang, but 4 runs in 5IP in his last start is acceptable i guess.
Wakefield not getting bombed is a very frustrating experience to watch.. i know its not as easy as it looks, but its 65 mph down the middle from a completely out of shape 42 year old, for god’s sake.
You’re incessantly bitching like a small child and it’s wearing thin. We are tied for first place with the Red Sox. Losing a few games to them is nothing to cry about.
my bitching like a small child is the same as your insipid comments to everyone you disagree with = hello pot I am kettle. I am sorry that mediocrity is acceptable to you but it is not to me.
I want Boston buried, I want a 5 game lead by the end of the week, and I want the Yankees to play like Yankees not like Staten Island.
Sorry what is there to like about being made to look this bad? Hopefully Hughes holds this thing where it is because losing 7 straight to the Red Sox? I don’t know how I don’t cry about that.
Chien-Ming Wang sucks ass…I’m sorry they can sugar coat it until they have diabetes but I haven’t seen anything promising from him. Not saying he’s done…I don’t really have the skills to judge anything like that but he is definitely not good enough to start for the Yankees right now. They fucked up by bringing him back they need to get him out of here. This is embarrassing, I hate the Red Sox and I hate that they look so much better than the Yankees right now…horrible. I can barely watch.
at some point we’ve got to stop making excuses for Wang.. he just sucks. Former 19 game winner or not, it’s not looking good for him and the yanks can’t afford losing every time he pitches.
We all know they screwed up on the call up, and I didn’t like pitching him in Fenway. But the fact remains he’s still not helping us win any games, which is his job.
“in other sports, you can tell your team to toughen up, and they’ll come out after half time and play harder. what can you do in baseball? punch the pitcher in the nose?”
That is why baseball is an individual sport. It is the furthest thing from a team game. Never on the same level of football or basketball when it comes to comradery, teamwork, etc.
Just a bunch of individuals playing independently. Hence all the thousands of statistics you can compile on them. That’s why so many teams with no team chemistry or even internal hatred for each other have won championships. You’ll never find that with a football or basketball team.
I’ll say it now – right now, today, Red Sox fans are better than Yankees’ fans. The cheering for Ortiz vs. the booing of ARod clinches it for me.
Man, you fucks are annoying as shit. You’d think we’re watching the fucking Pirates in their 17th consecutive losing season the way you whiners keep bitching and moaning.
Red Sox fans ARE better than Yankee fans.
It’s not just today.
Ortiz gets a curtain call for a fly ball.
A-Rod gets booed for a fly ball.
Wang is hated be a lot of fans because their patience is no where to be found.
If he was as bad as his first start it’d be 20-1 right now.
As bad as this start is it will continue to improve.
Honestly …. its easy for fans to have good will towards players when the home team has won 2 world series in the past half decade and is routing the hated rivals. i’d stand up and cheer too after a long fly ball.
It’s really tough to see CMW pitch cuz, you know the guy is so much better than this and right now he’s not on his mojo right now. He’s basically fighting with one hand tied behind his back.
Yeah, cuz if the Sox fans starting booing Ortiz he would get better. You must be one of those dumba$$’s who boo our players. Yeah! That’ll gettem going!!!
There’s other options to booing when a player is in a slump or doesnt come true, you do nothing and accept that a ‘good’ hitter fails 7 out of 10 times, that a pitcher can give up 2 runs in 1 inning and go on to pitch a great game.
i find it to be completely absurd for them to give ortiz a standing ovation for making a long out & giving him a curtain call after every homerun he’s hit this year.
Are you people kidding me? Does booing really bother you that much? Did you get booed by your parents as kids is that why you give a shit about it. These people get paid millions of dollars to perform, they don’t give a fuck about what a bunch of drunk idiots who paid way to much to see them suck do. If they don’t care why do you?
That’s like saying someone who cheers for tupperware is superior to a person who cheers for diplomatic progress in troubled areas in the world merely based on their outward enthusiasm.
Yes, I just compared the Sox to tupperware and there’s nothing you can do about it.
Well, a lot of the sabermatricians have been saying that someone who does miss a lot of bats and does not get enough K’s, like Wang, will struggle. They’ve said that Wang will get into trouble but he had been proving them wrong. But can it be that their statements are becoming true now?
It’s walks that are going to be his downfall. He needs to not be afraid to pitch to contact because comes the time you give up a big blow you’d rather have a minimal amount of runners on base obviously. But I see your point, it’s well taken. I just want to see him continue to challenge guys. This game is very within reach.
Gotcha. I must have switched over to the Met game that time. Maybe he just wanted Hughes into the game without waiting since we all know the Yankees will be teeing off on Wake next inning.
ugh the Wang situation was mishandled and its coming back to bite them in the ass. you maybe give Wang one more start but you cant expect anymore than this right now and they cant keep running him out. stuck in a tough place for sure.
Because Wang is the worst Yankee pitcher to ever pitch the game and we need to kill him. He sucks, nobody likes him and he’ll never become good again.
And no charlie, this is not a mock to you.
I don’t know… His velocity was good, but I don’t know that his “stuff was great.” Looked to me like he was throwing the ball straight to the dirt because the sinker wasn’t sinking like it used to.
Was he getting particularly mashed with sinkers up like before? Just for an example, go look at the walk to Youk. Sure, it was a walk. However look at the location of those pitches. They were much better
Meh… I’m not really arguing strenuously with you here because I don’t know what the next move is with Wang (leave him in the rotation or put him in the ‘pen). But, yeah, he did get mashed tonight when he got the ball up into the strike zone, because he didn’t have the sink he needs. Was he as bad as he was in early April? No. But he was still really bad tonight.
Really bad? Absolutely not. Absolutely not. Look what I said. “Like before.” He is clearly well onto his way back. With the rotation as is they can afford to let him work out his troubles in the rotation, it would be totally asinine to throw him back in the bull pen.
The statement where I used the words you quoted, “really bad,” was not a statement about his performance tonight relative to his performance in early April. To the contrary, you should look at what I said. He was really bad tonight. He didn’t make it out of the 3rd inning, put 9 runners on base (including a HR), and gave up 4 runs. That’s really bad, whether it’s an improvement over his early April performances or not.
Thanks for all the pretty italics. I think he’s moving along and I’ll continue to think that in my own happy little world regardless of what you say. Sorry, I just can’t get gray hair over something I have absolutely no control of. No pun intended.
Dude, I never said he’s not improving. From the start I said his performance tonight was not as bad as his performances in early April. I honestly have no idea what point you think you’re arguing with.
I’m also pretty sure your penultimate sentence was not a pun. It would have been if you were referring to something Wang had no control of, with the ambiguity of the use of the word “control” being the crux of the pun, but there’s no way anyone would confuse something you have no control of as a reference to Wang’s lack of control of his pitches.
Hey guys, What are your thoughts on guys who come out of the pen in late inning situations throwing curve balls? I’m just curious what everyone else things because in most cases you see sliders/slurves and pitches to that nature.
Please stop with the Wang/Hughes-patience attack on other commenters. CMW’s ERA is over 14 and he really hasn’t given the Yankees a reasonable chance to win any game he has started this season. If Hughes performed like that there aren’t too many people who would argue with demoting him to AAA to get some work in.
i don’t get it? if he’s on an 85 pitch count why did they take him out? if he wasn’t built up to pitch 100-110 pitches why let him pitch in games that count with teams like boston who take pitches? another dumb move by girardi and yankees. this team is a fuckin tease i can’t take them. and whats with our hitters swinging at the first fuckin pitch. this shit is annoying.
MOTHER FUCK JORGE POSADA. How many times are you going to call for a fastball on the outside corner? I mean Christ, you insist on pitchers throwing what you call and won’t call for a fastball inside. The clown called 5 consectuive fastballs to Drew before he pounded one off the wall. Then, as if Youkilis wasn’t paying attention to the last AB, you call for a 2-0 fastball on the outside corner. What did you think was going to happen?
I have loathed his pitch selection for a long time, but this is the final straw. It’s no wonder Phil throws his 2 best games of the season with Molina and Cervelli. C.C is rolling along with Cervy and then here comes Posada and C.C gives up 5 runs all of a sudden.
I guess its good that I listened to Mike Axisa about starting Wang. And to tommy smith john whatever I actually did draft oliver perez for a late pick lol. I traded him for Linebrink though whose paid off though.
Probably the price of popularity. I used to do the Bronx Banter game threads with regularity before a cpl Negative Nancy’s started showing up daily a cpl seasons back. And, boy were they insistent. 1 or 2 are still there. I’ll check in, but it gets to be too much when the Yanks are losing.
Unfortunately. But I think it’s starting to cool down now that everyone got what they wanted.
Ok this ump is garbage. He’s giving all these calls to Wakefield but not to Wang.
If the Boston Red Sox were 0-6 against the Yankees and on the verge of going 0-7 wouldnt their playbook call for them to instigate a brawl, featuring he who wears a mask while throwing punches at ARODs face.
Should the Yankees consider doing the same or is this something that only works for scrappy blue collar underdog overacheiver teams like Boston
Ladies and gentlemen, can I please have your attention. I’ve just been handed an urgent and horrifying news story. I need all of you, to stop what you’re doing and listen.
It’s good to spot a great team 4 runs with a pitcher who shouldn’t be starting the majors in their home park. Good thing Girardi has a limit on the pain he can endure and took him out to actually give team comeback a chance.
Mr. Pawlikowski. Didn’t you mention on the last thread that its clear as day they would never bring Hughes in during the middle of an inning? Can that have a seriously adverse affect on his arm? If so, Cashman needs to rip Girardi a new one. We already mishandled the Wang situation, and now they’re fcuking with a future stud.
21 guys have had more saves at 28 than Papelbon…including Ugueth Urbina. Two of those guys are HOFers. Closers that make the HOF do it because they have longevity and are successful over a long period of time. We’ll see where he stands in 10 years.
Not sure what there is left to say. Wang is at a career crossroads at this point. He is out of options, he apparently isn’t injured and he can’t pitch remotely like he used to. I can’t imagine the Yankees DFA him and what trade value could he have? But they can’t keep running him out there if he’s going to pitch like this.
I would never tell Jeter how to hit, because I lack the skill. Taking a couple of pitches against a guy who is clearly struggling isn’t hitting, it’s common sense.
Yikes if we scored some of these guys in scoring position this game would be really different.
They gotta start hitting with runners in scoring position.
Wait what am I talking about? This is all Wang’s fault obviously.
He was better but still pretty bad. I don’t think he was getting some calls that Wakefield is getting though.
He has 3 ER since Swisher made an error.
He’s improving and that’s the important thing.
If he wasn’t he’d give up 20 runs to this Boston offense.
Oh come on! Please really you’re ignorance amazes me.
He is IMPROVING from ultimate suckitiude. 3 ER in 2.2 IP compared is not good at all. But compare that to his first three starts.
It’s tough to say, obviously the score says horrid. IMO, Wang had some good pitches and 0 control. Couple that with defense that forgot to catch the ball and a little misfortune, you have 4 runs in 3 innings.
Seriously if he gives up 7 runs an inning again just put him for another DL stint and don’t give a fuck about what other team’s think.
But that should be a last resort.
I got a question about wakefield. IT seems like his fastball sits around mid 70s and knuckleball around mid 60s. My question is how has this guy survived in the majors for the past 14 years or so with that kind of velocity. I know velocity doesn’t automatically correlate to effectiveness but i mean cmon. why cant hitters just lock in.
The knuckleball breaks a different way each time he throws it (or that’s what it is supposed to do). Even the catcher has a tough time tracking it many times. You can’t lock in on that.
The fastball is just to keep the hitters honest. 75 mph looks like 90 after watching all those knucklers flutter by.
Fuck this fucking bull shit, I’m so fucking heated right now Joe Girardi is reallyyyyyyyy pissing me off. The gameplan is just terrible, I havent even seen a curveball by hughes yet. Absolutely retarded.
Yankees really grinding out at-bats so far.
Michael Kay why are you 10000 times happier than I am? Fuck off.
Well…
3rd hard hit ball.
time to get hughes in their
there
don’t worry wang is fine he’s only had 3 balls hit hard off him
Yeah, but his stuff looks great.
lol yeah I mean hey its only 5 hard hit balls basically he has out pitched wakefield
I was being sarcastic.
Right. Down. The. Middle.
What a piece of shit. I’m so sick of this.
“A piece of shit?” Really?
Yeah really? You don’t give Wang nearly the same amount of patience you do with Phil Hughes. He won’t be fixed in 2 starts.
Try comparing their ERAs for the season and then we can talk. Hughes has been flat out dominant at times this year, Wang has yet to have one acceptable start.
C’mon bro. Wang >>>> Hughes. A bad 4 games doesn’t make him horrible. He’s a good pitcher. Hughes has been great, and not good. AJ has been pretty good, and horrible. AP has been good, and horrible. Joba’s been solid, with one or two speed bumps.
“Hughes has been great”
he’s had 1 great game this year
like I said, he’s been “great” and not good. As in, he’s been great, and not good.
I know, and i was clarifying that he’s been great once.
1 great start
1 good start
5 not good starts
You cant compare the two at this point. Hughes is at least competent. Wang is Rudy Stein.
2006 Wang? Yes
2007 Wang? Yes
2008 Wang? Yes
2009 Wang? No, and its not even close.
I’ve yet to see the 06-08 Wang at any point this year. There are guys that lose it all of a sudden, for reasons that don’t seem to make any sense. Dontrelle Willis comes to mind. If you would have stuck with Dontrelle for the past few years, you were hurting your team. Wang with an ERA north of 14 is hurting the team.
Oh boy. What’s the excuse for Wang now?
A fastball right down the middle called by Posada is an attempt for a strike?
Nothing to do with Wang’s sinker so really please.
Nah. Posada set up outside, Wang got it over the middle. Bad pitch to a good hitter.
OK. Just making sure.
Yeah guys keep praising Wang for the great game he is pitching today. He flat out sucks right now and should be put back into the bullpen and be lower in the pecking order than even Jose Veras.
Phil Hughes has a 5.30 era and has never shown consistency in the majors
I give up….
Don’t give up, counter with Wang’s ERA.
Here:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....yerId=6209
14.34 and YES, IT WENT DOWN!!!!! AFTER GIVING UP 4 ER IN 2.2 IP!!!!!!
Except Hughes and been healthy all year and Wang is still working himself back into gear. Hughes hasnt accomplished anything compared to Wang, but 4 runs in 5IP in his last start is acceptable i guess.
I will resist the urge to embarrass you with the game logs showing who has pitched better. You’re wrong, we’ll just leave it at that.
But teh TExas!!1
It’s nice to see Pavano get shelled by Kansas City.
We’ll come back!!! I know we will…some breaks have to go our way!
Cmon Law of Averages. do your thing!
I think that is a good swing in any ballpark with a pitch like that you fucking moron.
If this gets outta hand (its not even close yet…) I wanna start beaning some motherfuckers. Who’s with me?
I’m so down…right in the face…meanwhile Boston is right back to its apartheid. This team is entirely comprised of scruffy white-dudes.
That’s for losers. I’d rather win the game.
Wakefield not getting bombed is a very frustrating experience to watch.. i know its not as easy as it looks, but its 65 mph down the middle from a completely out of shape 42 year old, for god’s sake.
This thing is just PAINFUL to watch D:
Is this Wang’s last start of the season ….
It damn well should be if they are serious about winning.
This is making me so depressed. The more they trot Wang out like this, the longer he stays broken.
This is just fucking bullshit. I think the only way the Yankees can beat Boston this year is via forfeit.
cry about it
oh wait, you already are.
yes, I am crying. That was a great response. In the meantime, Wang is getting pounded and you are happy? go to Bostondirtdogs.com.
You’re incessantly bitching like a small child and it’s wearing thin. We are tied for first place with the Red Sox. Losing a few games to them is nothing to cry about.
my bitching like a small child is the same as your insipid comments to everyone you disagree with = hello pot I am kettle. I am sorry that mediocrity is acceptable to you but it is not to me.
I want Boston buried, I want a 5 game lead by the end of the week, and I want the Yankees to play like Yankees not like Staten Island.
If that bothers you, unplug your computer.
Sorry what is there to like about being made to look this bad? Hopefully Hughes holds this thing where it is because losing 7 straight to the Red Sox? I don’t know how I don’t cry about that.
Sory big sloppy try again next time.
Chien-Ming Wang sucks ass…I’m sorry they can sugar coat it until they have diabetes but I haven’t seen anything promising from him. Not saying he’s done…I don’t really have the skills to judge anything like that but he is definitely not good enough to start for the Yankees right now. They fucked up by bringing him back they need to get him out of here. This is embarrassing, I hate the Red Sox and I hate that they look so much better than the Yankees right now…horrible. I can barely watch.
aaaaand that SHOULD have been out. To Ortiz, no less.
at some point we’ve got to stop making excuses for Wang.. he just sucks. Former 19 game winner or not, it’s not looking good for him and the yanks can’t afford losing every time he pitches.
I’m calling it. Wang will come back to form and he’ll devastate after the All-Star break.
I would love to believe just that… but i can’t
o boy ortiz hit it far …CURTAIN CALL TIME!!!!
sadly enough they gave him a standing O
is hughes even warming? that was crushed to the hardest part of the park…
Not on Melky’s watch, Ortizthisone!
I still give him one more start against the Mets for all the marbles
Why? What have you seen that makes you want to see him pitch again?
A sinker that sinks. You’re patience for Wang is completely nonexistent.
Patience is for spring training…we’re almost half-way into the regular season…this isn’t the time for patience
Nah, Wang isn’t here to help the Yanks win, the Yanks are here to help Wang ‘get going’. Everybody knows that.
Who cares if we lose games that might cost us a playoff spot. As long as Wang is happy.
Maybe the organization shouldn’t have called him up prematurely, and lined up his 2nd start back, on a limited pitch count mind you, at Fenway.
They cant keep sending him out there to get his brains bashed in. Even the AAA Mets will pound him.
We all know they screwed up on the call up, and I didn’t like pitching him in Fenway. But the fact remains he’s still not helping us win any games, which is his job.
Can we put him on maternity leave?
Ow.
Finally, hughes is up.
They’re punishing his pitches now
Hughes better be pitching next inning
Phil Hughes is warming up. Thank Mo!
I hope that Wang is just rusty.
He is on regular rest.
uhmm. …. we’re way beyond “rusty” as an excuse at this point.
Hughes is up.
AAaand YES turns the mic’s up so everybody can hear the yankees suck chants. Bahaha
What’s the over/under at this point of Wang lasting longer than Burnett last night?
who cares?
Come on Wang get out of this inning pleasee thats all i ask for.
if anyone else is listening to sterling, you know why he needs to disappear
Why? What’s he bloviating about now?
“in other sports, you can tell your team to toughen up, and they’ll come out after half time and play harder. what can you do in baseball? punch the pitcher in the nose?”
- john sterling
There are a lot of people on the field right now I’d love to punch in the nose.
He is tragically bad. I’m impressed he’s observed the game accurately enough to know the Yanks are losing, at least.
that’s brilliant if he actually said that.
That is why baseball is an individual sport. It is the furthest thing from a team game. Never on the same level of football or basketball when it comes to comradery, teamwork, etc.
Just a bunch of individuals playing independently. Hence all the thousands of statistics you can compile on them. That’s why so many teams with no team chemistry or even internal hatred for each other have won championships. You’ll never find that with a football or basketball team.
Wang looks as fragile as glass out there.
I’ll say it now – right now, today, Red Sox fans are better than Yankees’ fans. The cheering for Ortiz vs. the booing of ARod clinches it for me.
Man, you fucks are annoying as shit. You’d think we’re watching the fucking Pirates in their 17th consecutive losing season the way you whiners keep bitching and moaning.
I’m out.
+1.
What does +1 mean? Is that like “and one” in basketball?
good.
Red Sox fans ARE better than Yankee fans.
It’s not just today.
Ortiz gets a curtain call for a fly ball.
A-Rod gets booed for a fly ball.
Wang is hated be a lot of fans because their patience is no where to be found.
If he was as bad as his first start it’d be 20-1 right now.
As bad as this start is it will continue to improve.
Plus they yell “STE…….ROIDS.”
Boston = good stuff.
Have fun rooting for your new team.
i think i’m gonna cry. Everyone here is allowed to complain about the yankees, that’s the way it is.
Honestly …. its easy for fans to have good will towards players when the home team has won 2 world series in the past half decade and is routing the hated rivals. i’d stand up and cheer too after a long fly ball.
Good get out no one asked for your opinion anyway
Swish you are clearly not derek jeter nor will that forgive your last two brain farts.
Good one Swisher.
It’s really tough to see CMW pitch cuz, you know the guy is so much better than this and right now he’s not on his mojo right now. He’s basically fighting with one hand tied behind his back.
How come the Sox fans cheer their favorite players even when they struggle but our d!ckhead fans booo mercilessly when Arod or Jeter struggles.
Their team and even their fans are better.
You really want to cheer a guy batting .190?
Accept crap and you get crap
Yeah, cuz if the Sox fans starting booing Ortiz he would get better. You must be one of those dumba$$’s who boo our players. Yeah! That’ll gettem going!!!
There’s other options to booing when a player is in a slump or doesnt come true, you do nothing and accept that a ‘good’ hitter fails 7 out of 10 times, that a pitcher can give up 2 runs in 1 inning and go on to pitch a great game.
Varitek, Manny, Schilling, and Foulke were all booed.
Yankee fans are complete shit.
Read this thread for examples 1-100
i find it to be completely absurd for them to give ortiz a standing ovation for making a long out & giving him a curtain call after every homerun he’s hit this year.
Are you people kidding me? Does booing really bother you that much? Did you get booed by your parents as kids is that why you give a shit about it. These people get paid millions of dollars to perform, they don’t give a fuck about what a bunch of drunk idiots who paid way to much to see them suck do. If they don’t care why do you?
That’s like saying someone who cheers for tupperware is superior to a person who cheers for diplomatic progress in troubled areas in the world merely based on their outward enthusiasm.
Yes, I just compared the Sox to tupperware and there’s nothing you can do about it.
TUPPERWARE!!!!!! WOOOO-HOOOOOO!!!!!!!
I know it was probably just to atone for the error(s) earlier, but you have to love a guy whose instinct leads him to do that… in Fenway no less.
Well, a lot of the sabermatricians have been saying that someone who does miss a lot of bats and does not get enough K’s, like Wang, will struggle. They’ve said that Wang will get into trouble but he had been proving them wrong. But can it be that their statements are becoming true now?
Derek Lowe and his 60million disagree
Ummm in his career his K/9 is higher than nearly 2 than Wang’s
while playing in the NL West, while he was a starter in Boston it was 4.9-5.2
Imagine if Wang got to pitch to the pitcher twice a game.
While Wang had his K9 rising: 3.6, 3.1, 4.7, 5.1
???
It’s walks that are going to be his downfall. He needs to not be afraid to pitch to contact because comes the time you give up a big blow you’d rather have a minimal amount of runners on base obviously. But I see your point, it’s well taken. I just want to see him continue to challenge guys. This game is very within reach.
BTW trust me I still have faith in him
Is Swish just trying to figure out a way to leave early?
And the Taiwan economy crashes again
Is anyone else pissed that the Yanks completely panicked when Joba got hit and now we are paying the price?
Wow. Why not let him finish the inning against some dude I’ve never heard of before?
he did hit 22 HR in 400 AB in AAA last year
CMW was lights out in the minors too.. O_o
dude ripped it against him last time
Gotcha. I must have switched over to the Met game that time. Maybe he just wanted Hughes into the game without waiting since we all know the Yankees will be teeing off on Wake next inning.
C’mon Phil. Make ‘em rue the day they put you in the pen.
Middle of an inning. I guess he had plenty of time to warm, otherwise, I’d doubt we see him.
2 2/3 innings is the magic number for Yankee starters this series
ugh the Wang situation was mishandled and its coming back to bite them in the ass. you maybe give Wang one more start but you cant expect anymore than this right now and they cant keep running him out. stuck in a tough place for sure.
How many pitches did Wang throw?
Too many.
Wakefield is gonna get shelled tonight, I can feel it. This one is far from over.
Absolutely. If they just stop being so anxious and wait on a couple pitches.
that’s all well and good , but we just saw the end of Wang tonight.
Nope we’re going to keep seeing him.
No way its over for Wang. Maybe another stint in the bullpen or even the DL. You can’t give up on him yet, he was too good so recently.
I’m not watching on TV. What did Swisher do?
Why now? Why not let him try to get out of the inning at least?
Because Wang is the worst Yankee pitcher to ever pitch the game and we need to kill him. He sucks, nobody likes him and he’ll never become good again.
And no charlie, this is not a mock to you.
Now on the mound for the Yankees. Phil Hughes numba #65
Ugh…what are we gonna do with wang.
Easy. Let him continue starting.
Let him pitch. I’m impressed. His stuff was great. Once he gets his confidence back he’s going to be awesome.
I don’t know… His velocity was good, but I don’t know that his “stuff was great.” Looked to me like he was throwing the ball straight to the dirt because the sinker wasn’t sinking like it used to.
Was he getting particularly mashed with sinkers up like before? Just for an example, go look at the walk to Youk. Sure, it was a walk. However look at the location of those pitches. They were much better
Meh… I’m not really arguing strenuously with you here because I don’t know what the next move is with Wang (leave him in the rotation or put him in the ‘pen). But, yeah, he did get mashed tonight when he got the ball up into the strike zone, because he didn’t have the sink he needs. Was he as bad as he was in early April? No. But he was still really bad tonight.
Really bad? Absolutely not. Absolutely not. Look what I said. “Like before.” He is clearly well onto his way back. With the rotation as is they can afford to let him work out his troubles in the rotation, it would be totally asinine to throw him back in the bull pen.
The statement where I used the words you quoted, “really bad,” was not a statement about his performance tonight relative to his performance in early April. To the contrary, you should look at what I said. He was really bad tonight. He didn’t make it out of the 3rd inning, put 9 runners on base (including a HR), and gave up 4 runs. That’s really bad, whether it’s an improvement over his early April performances or not.
Thanks for all the pretty italics. I think he’s moving along and I’ll continue to think that in my own happy little world regardless of what you say. Sorry, I just can’t get gray hair over something I have absolutely no control of. No pun intended.
Dude, I never said he’s not improving. From the start I said his performance tonight was not as bad as his performances in early April. I honestly have no idea what point you think you’re arguing with.
I’m also pretty sure your penultimate sentence was not a pun. It would have been if you were referring to something Wang had no control of, with the ambiguity of the use of the word “control” being the crux of the pun, but there’s no way anyone would confuse something you have no control of as a reference to Wang’s lack of control of his pitches.
Just sayin.
Supportive comments for Wang = manna from heaven.
I agree. He picked himself up and delivered some nice strikeouts tonight. I want to see him continue in the rotation.
They got Hibachi at the new stadium?
Kenny Singleton, Phil used better not get used to relieving and the problem was not not enough strike, it’s that every strike was tattooed.
Hey guys, What are your thoughts on guys who come out of the pen in late inning situations throwing curve balls? I’m just curious what everyone else things because in most cases you see sliders/slurves and pitches to that nature.
FUCKING HUGHES BALKED GET HIM OUTTA HERE
Actually the patience level of Hughes >>>>>>>>>>>>>> patience of Wang.
If Wang balked someone it is the equivalent of Hughes giving up 10 runs.
Please stop with the Wang/Hughes-patience attack on other commenters. CMW’s ERA is over 14 and he really hasn’t given the Yankees a reasonable chance to win any game he has started this season. If Hughes performed like that there aren’t too many people who would argue with demoting him to AAA to get some work in.
i don’t get it? if he’s on an 85 pitch count why did they take him out? if he wasn’t built up to pitch 100-110 pitches why let him pitch in games that count with teams like boston who take pitches? another dumb move by girardi and yankees. this team is a fuckin tease i can’t take them. and whats with our hitters swinging at the first fuckin pitch. this shit is annoying.
Yeah man I wish Cashman made a 1st place team for us. I’m tired of dead last.
we’re only tied for first! they fucking suck!1!!
I think we’re about to be kicked out the AL East because we suck so much. Maybe out of baseball altogether
Yeah we’re going for a winless season this year.
We’ll be winless in the Wang starts.
MOTHER FUCK JORGE POSADA. How many times are you going to call for a fastball on the outside corner? I mean Christ, you insist on pitchers throwing what you call and won’t call for a fastball inside. The clown called 5 consectuive fastballs to Drew before he pounded one off the wall. Then, as if Youkilis wasn’t paying attention to the last AB, you call for a 2-0 fastball on the outside corner. What did you think was going to happen?
I have loathed his pitch selection for a long time, but this is the final straw. It’s no wonder Phil throws his 2 best games of the season with Molina and Cervelli. C.C is rolling along with Cervy and then here comes Posada and C.C gives up 5 runs all of a sudden.
Sincerely,
My Rant
I guess its good that I listened to Mike Axisa about starting Wang. And to tommy smith john whatever I actually did draft oliver perez for a late pick lol. I traded him for Linebrink though whose paid off though.
Dirrrrrty curve. Nice phranchise
I just love Phil’s hook. Nasty!
Nice Hughes.
I type Hughes when my name is Ivan LOL.
ok its now time for the yankees to be patient hitters and for hughes to keep us in this game
Is it me or does it look like Hughes put on some serious muscle weight this off season?
I believe he said he added like 10 to 15 lbs in the off-season to get stronger.
Agreed, he looks alot thicker.
Yeah, he’s got stronger.
Hughes’ 2 curves were nasty as shit that ab.
Wang looks dejected.
Anybody watching the ESPN broadcast instead of YES? Sutcliffe is wearing me out…
I liked him better when he was shitfaced and mumbling about Bill Murray and George Clooney.
I think you speak on behalf of everyone else in saying that.
If Phil wasn’t here, i would advocate continuing to start Wang, but hughes is just flat out nasty.
Swisher should be sitting down for the rest of this one. I know he’s trying out there but sometimes, “trying” isn’t good enough.
I didn’t know you could hit a ball that was at your neck.
Seriously. How he foul-tipped it is beyond me.
Does anyone else think it’s weird that Posada, according to YES, had only 7 career ABs against Wakefield coming into the game?
that cant be right. Wake has like 32 starts, 200+ innings against the Yankees
he’s had about 6-7 abs per year against wakefield for a decade or so…
77 career PA, 63 AB.
Wow… A fu#!@ ton of these comments are absolutely pathetic…
Both these threads have been brutal.
Probably the price of popularity. I used to do the Bronx Banter game threads with regularity before a cpl Negative Nancy’s started showing up daily a cpl seasons back. And, boy were they insistent. 1 or 2 are still there. I’ll check in, but it gets to be too much when the Yanks are losing.
WOW You guys are ridiculous. This is like a lohud game thread. It’s june and we are in first place relax a little.
It’s whiny 6 year old girls. They should be going to bed soon. Or they’ll grow a pair suddenly when we start winning.
Unfortunately. But I think it’s starting to cool down now that everyone got what they wanted.
Ok this ump is garbage. He’s giving all these calls to Wakefield but not to Wang.
Walk off a knuckler, who would’ve thought?
taking pitches does lead to good things. someone tell the dugout
yea but those 2 first pitches to Robbie and Alex were literally right down the middle according to Gameday
Time for Swish to atone
If the Boston Red Sox were 0-6 against the Yankees and on the verge of going 0-7 wouldnt their playbook call for them to instigate a brawl, featuring he who wears a mask while throwing punches at ARODs face.
Should the Yankees consider doing the same or is this something that only works for scrappy blue collar underdog overacheiver teams like Boston
only gritty teams are allowed to do that, overpaid no-heart losers cant
Would it kill them to throw at Youkiliss and keep that going? Start treating him like Pedro treated Jeter in the early 00’s.
Oh snap! Wakefield pumped some gas against Matsui and hit 73!
did the YES gun show 97???
No matter the out come of this game, I am getting drunk and doing cannon balls into upscale hotel pools after this. WHOSE WITH ME?!
Ladies and gentlemen, can I please have your attention. I’ve just been handed an urgent and horrifying news story. I need all of you, to stop what you’re doing and listen.
CANNONBALL!
do you think ARod, Posada and Cano are taking notes that taking pitches is a good thing against Wakefield
left out Jeter’s name
Melkman delivers!
I THOUGHT THIS GAME WAS OVER!
C’mon, you know some people think the game is over after (or today, before) the 4th inning. No need to beat that horse.
4th inning? I though the first team to score wins??
It’s good to spot a great team 4 runs with a pitcher who shouldn’t be starting the majors in their home park. Good thing Girardi has a limit on the pain he can endure and took him out to actually give team comeback a chance.
lol Swisher made sure that time…
Matsui didnt. easy DP if it gets caught
yeah melky. good to see some patience now, hopefully they keep it up
nice hit melkyy.
All right. RAB rips on someone, and they come through. Go MelkY!
great now you’re cheering for him again
was he ever cheering AGAINST him?
Here we go. Big Inning.
Nice! Rally Time.
Is it just me or is Wakefield starting to look like Eddie Harris a la Major League?
Awesome.
Up your butt Jobu.
Crisco in the nose.
Come on Melky, get a big hit.
Mr. Pawlikowski. Didn’t you mention on the last thread that its clear as day they would never bring Hughes in during the middle of an inning? Can that have a seriously adverse affect on his arm? If so, Cashman needs to rip Girardi a new one. We already mishandled the Wang situation, and now they’re fcuking with a future stud.
I did say that. I don’t know why they did it, but it might have somethin to do with Kottaras at the plate.
C’mon Jeter…
Jeter looking terrible.
he really needs to just stop swinging first pitch. especially in that situation.
Please Flaherty be quiet. I don’t care if its luck or skill, I’ll take the run.
Why is Jeter in such a hurry?
Lets go Yanks.
WTF? Jeter have dinner plans.
Did I just hear them discussing Papelbon as a potential HOFer? I wasn’t really paying that much attention.
Obviously. Papelbon brings intensity to this game unlike Joba Chamberlain.
And a 250 career ERA+, 10.5 SO/9, and 127 saves at 28 years old.
21 guys have had more saves at 28 than Papelbon…including Ugueth Urbina. Two of those guys are HOFers. Closers that make the HOF do it because they have longevity and are successful over a long period of time. We’ll see where he stands in 10 years.
From PeteAbe:
Not sure what there is left to say. Wang is at a career crossroads at this point. He is out of options, he apparently isn’t injured and he can’t pitch remotely like he used to. I can’t imagine the Yankees DFA him and what trade value could he have? But they can’t keep running him out there if he’s going to pitch like this.
You know it’s really bad for Wang when Pete Abraham says its almost over for him.
Great insight, think i may of heard it once or twice over the past 3 months
Let him start 2 more games. If it fails put him in the bullpen until this time he is PROVEN to start.
we all hope that happens this year Damon
Please put Damon on for Tex.
Anyone else realize how awesome it is that we could end this series and be 1-7 against the Red Sox, but still be tied for first?
It takes balls to throw a 74 mph fastball.
Yeah when nobody expects it.
Of course.
JD …. argh.
Damon are you f’ing kidding me.
Why can’t the Yanks get a hit with runners in scoring position?
Melky says hi.
Damon says bye
ugh, was hoping we would get some more that inning.
Ugh Damon.
By the way, torre is a prick, for saying people didn’t want Damon as a yank.
damn that strike 2 was so outside
I love the RAB commenters telling Jeter how to hit. You guys really think you know how to wike Wakefield better than Jeter does??
I would never tell Jeter how to hit, because I lack the skill. Taking a couple of pitches against a guy who is clearly struggling isn’t hitting, it’s common sense.
Yikes if we scored some of these guys in scoring position this game would be really different.
They gotta start hitting with runners in scoring position.
Wait what am I talking about? This is all Wang’s fault obviously.
So I’m assuming Wang just wasn’t very good? I just got in from work/dinner about five minutes ago.
He was better but still pretty bad. I don’t think he was getting some calls that Wakefield is getting though.
He has 3 ER since Swisher made an error.
He’s improving and that’s the important thing.
If he wasn’t he’d give up 20 runs to this Boston offense.
wasn’t very good? Wang was fucking awful!
Oh come on! Please really you’re ignorance amazes me.
He is IMPROVING from ultimate suckitiude. 3 ER in 2.2 IP compared is not good at all. But compare that to his first three starts.
It’s tough to say, obviously the score says horrid. IMO, Wang had some good pitches and 0 control. Couple that with defense that forgot to catch the ball and a little misfortune, you have 4 runs in 3 innings.
poor pitching, poor defense & poor hitting with risp…we’re still in the game but it’s not lookin good.
why isnt it looking good? they have men on base every inning against Wake, and we have Hughes out there. what can go wrong?
That. ugh.
This is definitely a muted game. I’d rather watch it on NESN.
+1
Sutcliffe makes it sound like the Sox had a 5 game lead coming in.
Alright Hughes . State your case.
Anyway Wang can get “injured” again?
anxiety disorder looks like a good choice
Seriously if he gives up 7 runs an inning again just put him for another DL stint and don’t give a fuck about what other team’s think.
But that should be a last resort.
I’ve just received word AXL aka the prophet AKA Nostradamus AKA the savior is on his way. So Have no fear Logic and Reasoning is here!
did he ‘call it’ earlier?
totally.
yes, yes he did. Read the post on phil hughes in the pen and he explains it all there
Where is all the hate when Hughes goes 2-0 against JD Drew?
or 3-1
Yeah, they should have left Wang in, he was getting the job done. That singular at-bat defined Hughes’ night.
2 ER in 0.2 IP
Take your time Melk, no reason to hurry the ball back to the infield.
I got a question about wakefield. IT seems like his fastball sits around mid 70s and knuckleball around mid 60s. My question is how has this guy survived in the majors for the past 14 years or so with that kind of velocity. I know velocity doesn’t automatically correlate to effectiveness but i mean cmon. why cant hitters just lock in.
Because he throws a knuckle ball.
because his fastball isnt his bread and butter.
The knuckleball breaks a different way each time he throws it (or that’s what it is supposed to do). Even the catcher has a tough time tracking it many times. You can’t lock in on that.
The fastball is just to keep the hitters honest. 75 mph looks like 90 after watching all those knucklers flutter by.
How is J.D. Drew not broken after running for a triple?
Wang you suck though you didn’t pitch that!
People call Yankee Stadium a bandbox, that was a piece of shit flyball to LF that is a triple a Fenway.
Park Factor for new Yankee stadium-106
Park Factor for past 5 years at Fenway-106
AHhh. Love Melky’s arm. Just missed.
Melky seems to hesitate sometimes instead of just throwing it in. should’ve had him either way but just got to get the ball in
Axl via the cell phone says he’s calling Youk 2 run shot
WOW! that was a good call!
LOL. You patience for Hughes is so much more than so of Wang. That is ridiculous.
I don’t know if you realize this but Chien Ming Wang has made one good appearance this year.
Come on Hughes.
Why cant Hughes throw strikes? Someone needs to scream in his face
ietc.
Givin’ the runs right back. Dammit.
Breaking news: ESPN is reporting that Boston can walk on water.
We all know what Lester’s tears do..
Let me guess… Gammons?
Delcarmen future NL CLOSER!!!!1!
Bard turns water into wine
Ellsbury once stole home….when Fenway was submerged in water!
Wang’s fault.
I was going to say Cashman’s..
Nope today is all on Wang.
YOU’RE the only one still harping on Wang’s performance tonight, you know.
i know, right. He’s relentless, though, he’ll keep sarcastically blaming it on wang or girardi for the rest of the game
yikes.
Ugh. Tapping out.
Oh god
Nothing like the Red Sox, Wang and Burnett to transform you back to April.
It doesnt matter who pitches for the Yankees anymore, the Red Sox fucking own every one of them.
seriously our only hope now is cc tomorrow…
Um, Why?
Why. Can’t. We. Beat. These. Guys. (part II)
They are just better.
They are NOT better than us! Their bottom 4 hitters ARE A JOKE!
Even if they are better, they are not THAT much better. Plus, I hesitate to call them better.
The Mo game and AJ game(not yesterday) should of been W’s and the SP’s here this series didn’t really give the yanks much of a shot.
Plus, they have won 6 on the Yanks and are only tied for 1st, not up.
woah, Pop’s here. Haven’t seen you ’round lately. How you been buddy?
Ha, you guys love me, you really, really love me!
Ya, just been out alot was on vacation for a week with some friends in Wildwood. We all know how that goes..
Last thing I remember was I woke up on the floor of some Japanese family’s rec room, and they would not stop screaming.
Was wild.
WE. HAVEN’T. LOST. YET. TODAY.
Actually, Drew, the game is over after 4. These innings don’t count. Even if the Yankees score, the runs don’t count.
how was that not a swing??
Fuck this fucking bull shit, I’m so fucking heated right now Joe Girardi is reallyyyyyyyy pissing me off. The gameplan is just terrible, I havent even seen a curveball by hughes yet. Absolutely retarded.
How is this Girardi’s fault?
blame Girardi for Hughes not throwing a curve?
True, Girardi needs to stop serving up those meatballs over the plate. He just has no location tonight.
ietc
No no no no no. Didn’t you hear, it was Girardi’s gameplan.
Girardi has been calling fastballs right down the middle as a catcher!
oh shit, he beat up jorge in the clubhouse and stole his uniform and catcher gear!
Pissed on his hands too.
Girardi deserves it because him and Wang are the source of every Yankee loss in the history of the Yankees.
His own or Jorgie’s?
*Rips out hair* Dammnit!!1!1!1!!!!!!1111!
ietc, and also, phil has thrown quite a few curves.
There are plenty of things you can blame on Girardi. In fact, I might be one of his biggest critics but that was absolutely ridiculous.
No, It’s Posada and is Catcher ERA. sarcasm*
Too much of the plate on that one.
On a positive note, Carl Pavano just got absofuckinglutely ROCKED.
doesnt help the Yanks so not really positive
Can we just forfit the 18 or 19 games against the sox this season so we dont have to watch this!!
no.
Nope. Sorry. That’s not how it works. Enjoy.
Looks like the pitching decided to not come to Boston
Offense too.
Oh shit, what happened to hughes there? I stepped away for a minute.
Wang went back out there, gave up a HR, then Hughes replaced him again
LOL beat me to it. Nicely played.
Wang came in to pitch out of nowhere because obviously every ER today is Wang’s fault.
Oh and btw not a mock on you again.
Phil Hughes for closer.So easy.Who needs MO.
im not throwing my towel in but come october, bostons just gonna get tougher.
So are the Yankees.