Jun
10
Game 59 Spillover Thread II
ByThe Yankees will bring the winning run to the plate in this game.
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alright lets get at least 2 this inning
1 first.
doesn’t mean we’ll bring it home at this rate!
what rate?
Of sucking
Right. When you said that, we had 3 runs in 5 innings. Last time I checked, that’s not half bad.
If Jeter and Damon don’t start hitting we will NOT WIN!
I am an optimistic bastard for sticking up for Wang even if I acknowledge his bad outings when I was making a simple comparison.
Wang will never improve and we should release him for making us lose every game of the season.
We don’t have to release him send him to AAA! We did it to melky and he got better!
Glad you’re aware of the situation, because you just can send Wang down
I’m assuming your saying we can’t. Is it because of options? or would we have to DFA him first?
Yeah we can only DFA him. Unfortunately teams will take Wang even though he’s sucking. But we need to give him time and if he sucks for a couple more starts do another DL stint.
It’s because of options, so we’d have to DFA him.
My bad, yeah we cannot just send him down.
He has no options, they need a ‘injury’ to get him on the DL to get him down there or DFA and theres no way he makes it through without getting picked.
Dude, I pretty much agree with your sentiments, but we get the point already. It’s enough.
So its ok to bitch at EVERY SINGLE PITCH while Wang is pitching? But trying to be rational after is not ok?
Heh I tend to overreact to the same extent to these other fans.
But actually I was apparently “clueless” because I didn’t know Wang was a bad pitcher. I said it again because people still don’t get the point.
At least you’re not a whiny little girl.
Notice how 75% of the comments disappear once Hughes comes in. We evaluate Wang on a pitch to pitch basis
dammit swisher.
Fucking horseshit swisher swing!!!! That was such a hanging curve!
are u serious first pitch again wtf.
Bad call, this ump sucks, but you gotta protect there swish
Disagree then agree.
The pitch was pretty good and since Swish made an attitude the ump probably wanted him out.
I’m seeing a different K-Zone for the Sox and Yankees though.
Wang got nothing low, Hughes is getting alot of high strikes, knuckleball havent been paying attention cause its a knuckleball
1 pitch inning over
Cap’n and JD. Gotta count on ‘em.
SOUND THE TRUMPETS! (Trumpets Play In the Background)
Here Ye…Here Ye…All rise and bow to the one true Prophet…AXL!!!
Yes…Yes…I am here. Fear not… Logic and Reasoning has finally come to the rescue.
I called it all along. No Wang starting…No Hughes in the pen. Outrageous. Simply ridiculous. I called the bad start…I called the 2 run shot from Youkillis…I called Burnett looking terrible from the get-go yesterday. Yet nobody still gives me any respect.
I am the one true Prophet. Listen to my psalms…they are rich with life and truthfulness.
Don’t worry, I don’t look down upon you all (that much). I want to help you see the light. Open your eyes. Rip the ducktape off of them. There’s a whole world out there!
Enjoy!
Just in case a few of you were unlucky enough to see it…
Wait is this truly Axl or someone pretending to be him. I really can’t tell.
pretty sure its a pretender
The “…” thing is very commonly used for Axl. But I can’t believe he’d really do this. I’m stumped.
yea, ur definitely him
Can you give me any stock tips for tomorrow?
when is papi going to start hitting?
get the fuck outta here
Mother fucker, this is brutal. I’m ready to go into curse like a maniac and call for everyone’s head if they don’t score soon.
The Yankees just stink against Boston.
Why though? It doesn’t make sense. Look at their bottom 4 batters in the batting order…and they have Wakefield pitching…
No excuses. Well, Girardi is an idiot and started Wang…knowing all well what he was going to get out of him.
their pitchers attack our hitters. our pitchers pitch around big poopi, nancy drew, etc.
Jeter, Arod, Cano, and Damon are 0 for 12!
Yeah, and Philly is 1-4 against the Mets. Who is the better team of those two?
1-4 does not equal 0-6(almost 7). the yanks are > sox, but they’re not showing it against them at all.
Difference is you cant honestly say the Yankees are better than Boston, actually all the evidence suggests Boston is better and has been since 2007.
Angels beat the sox 9 out of 10 times last year before the playoffs then the sox killed them. It obviously doesn’t make this any less worse but still gotta find something right now.
I think Pete Abe has a good idea to help Wang…bring in Guidry for a while just to help him.
I don’t think that will help. He needs to take the year off an come back next year.
a la Cliff Lee
Holy shiiiit that lady has a nice booty.
Poll: Who wishes to sit through another Wang outing?
Girardi and Cash, right after the send Hughes back to Scranton.
Are you Girardi…or Cash for that matter?
After Wang tonight, Hughes isn’t going to back to Scranton. I think the only thing to be decided now is whether to give Wang another start again.
Bring up teh Heathcott!
Agreed.
I didn’t get to see Wang pitch, was there anything positive to take away from it?
A sinker that can sink.
Right into the barrel of the Sox’s bats.
LMFAO
True but sometimes I can see a ball that can sink.
Location was off, made bad pitches eg Mike Lowell’s HR down the middle pitch.
It’s not great, but Wang still needs to pitch. If he just flat out sucks for a couple more starts the bullpen is always there to work it out again.
He threw hard.
ANOTHER walk by Hughes
BORING!!!!!!!
Buster Onley weighs in on the draft, and discusses changing the current system, as many other have written about recently. He discusses the possibility of a slotting system, and how unfair the current system is to small market teams.
We’ve heard this take a lot lately, but there’s a flip side to this argument. If you have a slotting system like they do in the NFL, that doesn’t hurt the MLBPA one bit, and it helps the owners. Especially the small market owners who want the top talent for less than its worth on the open market. Union members don’t get hurt (minor leaguers are not members of the MLBPA) small market owners benefit, sounds like a no-brainer, right?
So who gets hurt? The draftees. The Steven Strasburgs of the world who despite the fact that they are labeled ‘can’t miss’ still miss at least half of the time. And lesser prospects miss at a rate many times greater. If these kids were able to market their services like you or I could in a free market system the top guys would get millions more than they currently can. Believe it or not, the 50 mil Boras is asking for isn’t unreasonable, that what he would get if Strasburg was able to declare himself a free agent. Maybe more, the BoSox paid over 100 mil to acquire the rights to Dice-K and many scouts feel Strasburg is a much safer bet and has a much higher ceiling. And no, the players dont all make it back on the other end with free agency. The MLB draft is highly speculative, the vast majority of draftees will never be free agents on the major league level. This is their one big shot, and the small market owners want to take that opportunity away from them.
So the kid for whom the MLB draft is his one big shot to make a big payday, based on talents that may or may not develop is the one who gets sacrificed at the altar of parity. All to benefit the small market teams. Sounds good for the Pirates, and bad for the draftees to me.
Forgot the link
http://insider.espn.go.com/esp.....ney_buster
you already posted this
I looked for it, but didn’t see it. In any case, the last thread got closed before I had a chance to bounce this off you guys.
“Believe it or not, the 50 mil Boras is asking for isn’t unreasonable, that what he would get if Strasburg was able to declare himself a free agent. ”
Yeah but he…is…not…a…free…agent
If i was 6’4 and threw 100mph i could get 50m, but since I am not and do not i dont think im getting 50m anytime soon
why . . . . not . . .?
If you had that talent, you’d be in Japan if it meant getting paid. I know I would.
Just two comments:
1. When people look at the value that a team gets out of a draft pick they always compare it to what a similar free agent would cost. Using this formula, it’s impossible for free agents to make up the difference because if the free agents made more money, it would increase the gap between pre-FA players and free agent players. I guess my point is that in the end to players do make the money back (it’s not like teams are going to pocket the money they save on the draft), there’s just no way to measure it.
2. I can’t see a hard slotting system, but I could see a system where they apply a luxury tax to bonus/salaries over slot. Although this could backfire and make the high-bonus guys even more cost prohibitive and steer more of them to the teams willing to pay.
1-Your point about FA is well taken, and you could even go further by saying if all players at all levels were allowed to be FAs, supply of available players would spike overnight and salaries would plummet across the board as a result. The Union would never go for anything that loosens the FA market, they like it nice and tight.
2-How about tying revenue sharing payments to draft budgets? The pretense under which revenue sharing was instituted was ‘competitive balance’ (which in Baseball translates into “The Yanks are winning too much”) but we all know many owners have simply pocketed the cash. If they were forced to spend it on the draft or return the money to the league, I bet they wouldn’t mind the ‘signability’ cases as much.
I think ESPN announcers have clauses in their contracts that pay them more every time they slobber all over the Red Sox. They get fined for complimenting the Yankees.
My friend works at ESPN and everyone who works their walks around with the biggest Hard On for the Red Sox. he says it makes him sicks. The only one who doesn’t is Tim Kurkjin
Dave Winfield has some love for NY, although he doesnt really do anything on BBTN
Kirkjain is one of the biggest Yankee nay-sayers on BBTN.
Plus I hate his half-rat-half-mole-face!!
I just hope we win tomorrow…
Thats great. I hope we win today. Big D.. Boy.
What if Phil started this game?
It’d only by tied probably
Then PeteAbe will have a fit of monumental proportions … you cant skip Wang
What if Wang didn’t stink?
Jason, you are officially Phil’s Bitch. Bow to the Franchise.
All you Wang apologists, even after tonight you still would rather have Wang in the rotation than Hughes???? Seriously????
That’s where you dont see the point.
People want Wang in the rotation because its the only way to get him back on track when he had 38 wins and sub 4.00 era over 2 years
Take away that 1 start in Texas and Hughes has done nothing this year.
exactly the opposite. take away the one awful outing vs bal and hughes is 3-1 with a 3.44 era.
yeah loving those 5 inning games. im sure Veras and the boys will do fine cleaing up 4 inning every game
has wang made it 5 innings once this year? oh wait, NO so stop whining about how someone only goes 5.
getting Wang back on track is more important than Hughes going out and giving 5IP 3-4ER
Wait a second, you’re making fun of Hughes for a few 5IP, 3ER performances when Wang hasn’t even been able to go five innings this year?
You’re also forgetting his first start against Detroit.
It wasnt making fun of Hughes, but like I said above getting Wang right is important. If Hughes had numbers like Joba then okay, but he’s not done enough to banish Wang to the bullpen for the season.
Yes did forget his first start
take away his best game and his worst game and his era is over 5
Yes because it’ll be a step into getting pre 2009 Wang back. This has nothing to do with Hughes being better. Getting an effect CMW will make this team better. If Hughes continues to be dominant and if CMW pulls it together then it’d be a nice problem to have. So I still want CMW in the rotation.
I want Wang to pitch well just like you guys (Joba, Zach, Drew, and hopefully everyone else here). The problem is that Wang isn’t giving his team a chance to win. Hes out of the game by the 4th inning usually with about five or six runs on the board. Have the Yankees botched the situation? Yeah, it could have been handled better. At the same time, its June 10th. The Yankees are in a pennant race. They need guys to give them a chance. You can bad mouth and be extremely critical of Hughes all you want. Hes still had a better season then Wang and still gives the Yankees a better shot to win every fifth day. Tonight, the control isn’t all there but he has worked around it. Its just unfortunate his one mistake was a shot to Youkilis.
3 ER and an unearned run was from Wang. The Yankees can definitely get back in the game. The lack of clutch hitting to many people’s surprise is not Wang’s fault.
I never said they couldn’t. Part of the reason they can get back in the game is because Wang is not putting nine base runners on in about three innings. Its fine to root for someone but don’t try to promote the idea that tonight was an encouraging start for the Wanger.
Thank god i moved to CA from MA because I can only imagine how obnoxious the sox fans are going to be tomorrow
great bullpenn has taken over
You know when Jeter, Damon and A-Rod aren’t hitting it’s hard for this team to win.
Thats what i said include cano and they are 0 for 12
Now I look stupid.
Great we are into their impenetrable bull pen
Truly impenetrable.
ok lets do something against their pen
theres one baby
TEH BULLPEN!!!!!!!!!!!
seee yaaaaaaaaaaa
Boom
Thank MO!
Bandbo… oh, wait…
nice Fenway Pawk homer
“The Greatest Bullpen of All times” Let the comeback begin.
Like I said. The GREATEST bullpen of ALL times. Let the comeback continue.
one more time: GREATEST BULLPEN OF ALL TIMES
This RedSox bullpen is lights out. Keep throwing those meatballs.
Wait, I thought Ramirez was unhittable?
Soo confused…
time out, call for a do-over
Bandbox
…yeah that Youkilis home run hurts now.
YYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
seeeeee yaaaaaaaaaaaa
fuck yea!
nicer Fenway Pawk homer
Teixeira!
Boom. That just happened.
Damn, son!
BELLY TO BELLY
Tex is a man!!! He is 40!!!
Mark Teixeira is a straight up pimp. Lock up your daughters.
I THOUGHT THIS GAME WAS OVER!!!!
The only person (sarcastically) saying that for the last 1.5 hours has been you. Give it a rest already.
Well Mondesi you’re going to have to live with my bitching. It’s a huge flaw of mine that will never go away. =/
People can change, especially after they’ve already identified their flaws.
YES!!!!!!
TEX IS EN FUEGO-OOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!
TEX sure came to play tonight
Let’s fucking go.
Seeee yaaaa
YEAH BITCHES.
ZOMG, 4 Homers to right field. TEH WIND CURRENT.
BTW, I called back to back to back, Arod do your part…
I think Mike Francesa just had a heart attack
HUGHES AND WANG ARE STARTING PITCHAAASSS
We can do this. We have the tchnology…
haha, my favorite one so far.
The new yankee stadium is a disgrace to baseball because it is cheap so the Yankees can get home runs.
I guess Mike was right all along uh.
straight down the fucking middle cant arod do anything
“Terry Francona must be in shock right now.” –Rick Sutcliffe
No, Rick, you must be in shock right now. Just because you spent the last ten minutes slobbering all over Ramon Ramirez’ un-hittability doesn’t mean it actually exists. Do some research for once and check his freakin’ career numbers.
BABIP baby
I think we can officially say Arod is in a slump.
so Ramon Ramirez gave up 2 homers, which hurts my fantasy league stats. =(
I would like to personally thank the Royals for putting that a$$ whoopin’ on Pavano.
+1
AAAAAANNNNDDDDD… Axl shuts the fuck up…
Anyways if we don’t tie we’ll see Papelbon in the 9th granted the Sox don’t score again.
And Papelbon is due to get owned by us again.
I have a question, Arod ain’t hitting right now. What if we switched Tex and Arod in the order so maybe Arod gets some pitches to hit adn can heat up ala Tex.
Actually that’d be pretty interesting. Many people want them switched so why not. I’d like to see this happen.
Has ARod never gone into a slump before? Has he never gotten out of it without being switched?
No.
Sincerely,
Joe Torre
He was good in the 8 hole!
- Joe Torre
I was thinking about that for the past week.
also adding to lineup changes, Swish is heating back up and Posada is good and Cano is slumping so some change needs to be made there.
no way
great umpire
As much as I hate this ump I think that area has been consistent to both teams.
Posada hit a homer.
Can we please move Cano down in the lineup? His OBP is sinking below .325
i dont think Cano is the reason we’re losing right now
OK, you don’t have to take every comment as placing blame for why we’re losing.
He at least needs to be flipped w/Jorge.
Agree. He’s an absolute cancer, too, when there are runners in scoring position and 2 out. Especially with the team trailing in games.
Ken Singleton speaking the truth. Gotta love it.
If only Hughes had started the game…
and once again out of the zone
RAB speaks the truth, winning run at the plate
I go to the bathroom and make a snack and teh Yankees are only down by one?! I thought the game was over guys!
you’re bad luck…
Well,t hey were down 4-1 when I came home from work/dinner so I guess it evened out?
But I am the only one who says that rawr!
Sorry Mondesi but like I said its a flaw of mine.
Go back for a second round!!!
go take another shit
okajima vs matsui
Who is the better jap… i vote matsui…
Hmmm not so sure jap is politically correct… this isn’t Boston you know.
It’s actually bad to call them “Japs” since of their WWII usage and can kind of been seen as their version oh the racist term that is said to black people.
Hahah dude I know its not pc, I was just being nice.
An A-Bomb, from…(awkward silence from John Sterling)
I am pulling for Matsui.
What do I want more, Hideki to line one right off of Okajima or hit one out? Each has its benefits. One makes today good the other, perhaps a few games.
I love the SNL skit of Jeopardy.
I’ll take JapAN US (ANUS) relations for 200 Alex
Horrible.
Well Ramon there goes teh ERA. You punk beeyotch.
Two things:
1) Carl Pavano
2) Bandbox!
3) Hughes wait in pen justified
4) 225′ triple. WTF were you Peter Gammons?
the take 5 little man reminds me of pedroia. that is why i will never play that game.
Okajima has owned his fellow countrymen. I’m going off of memory but I think I’m right. Now is a reat time to snap that.
Well, 2/7. I was not correct I guess.
Hughes has been terrific but I can see the yanks giving CMW another start no?
Only because it’s the Nats.
We all know I love Adam Dunn but I’m having a nightmare right now of a hanging sinker to Dunn that’s gonna go a loooooooooong way. I think Dunn’s the dark horse to lead the NL in HRs.
He’s hit 40 homers in each of the past five years. He’s not exactly a dark horse.
You know what, Mike? You’re ants at a picnic.
Wait … what am I? I’m ants … at a picnic?
Yeah, I think one more start. If that doesn’t go well, Phil’s back in the rotation.
Hughes terrific? 2ER in 3.1 with 60 pitches?
Oh my goodness just shut up already. You nag and nag and nag like a woman.
C’mon man. Wang bashing. Hughes terrific.
(golf clap)
Dude I nag? are you kidding? Wang throws ball 1 and there 15 new posts here, give me break
Shhh!!! He’s Phil Hughes!
I’m thinking Hideki will win this matchup.
DUCWIDT?
Very clever.
Red Sox like to see their nice bullpen ERA’s… They cont how many innings it’ll take to get their ERA under 3.00 or 2.00, i’m glad the yankees count their world championships… and need more than 5 hands to do it….
Wang’s WHIP makes Phil Hughes’ WHIP look like Christmas…
Is it true we got Ramon from Japan first?
Yeah we had him first
Traded him for Shawn Chacon, which was integral to getting the Yanks to the playoffs in ’05. Small and Chacon. What a tandem. Too bad Chacon forgot how to pitch after he took one off the shin in 06.
In that case, I’m not sorry he’s gone, especially if we continue to own him like today.
Yup, Chacon and Small, the year of wonders. But then Randy Johnson allowing those HRs in the playoffs totally killed it…
cashman sucks
i’ll take another swing like that from matsui… on a fastball.
AJ burnett better stop that pie throwing crap and improve his pitching this is not a joke.I think it may be time to put hughes in the starting rotation and just accept that wang my be done.Thank god we did not give him a long term contract.Next we should go after doc holiday he will be a free agent next year.It is all about piching.This all started when mo gave that two out homerun to bey in the first game we played red sox.just like the hit he gave up to the marlins in 2003 with two men out we still have not lived that down.
touchtoneterriost?
I think you recognize the ridiculousness of your statement when you preface it with “this is not a joke”.
fuck
hughes back out for the 7th?
Got 2 back. Just gotta hold em now and wait for the other 2.
Matsui, ugh!
Way to go mr. no eye lids
Matsui – stop bailing out like a little girl and swing like a man.
At least the yanks cut the lead to 1.
If only Xavier Nady was here……………
Is Tex the best free agent signing Cash ever made?
It’s pretty good but so wasn’t Mike Mussina and Roger Clemens the first time
Clemens was a trade for Wells first time.
Probably. It was a secret sneak attack that worked wonders.
if we give up another run we’re done for. getting 2 against Papelbon will be tough as it is
I think you girls are up a wee bit late tonight.
We forgive you Swish.
what a catch!
Way to fuckin’ go Swish!!!
SWISHALICIOUS!!!!!!!
Drew: atonement enough for you?
what a play shyt thats numba one play tonight for sportcenter wow.
Kay-gasm all over my surround sound right there …
Holy shit. I love Swish, but I didn’t think he had that in him.
What a legit play!
70% of the Earth’s surface is covered by water. The other 30% is covered by Nick Swisher.
Holy Swish!
Wow. Abreu definitely would’ve made that play.
NICKY BOY!!!! Screw that one nut prick… lowell… i wonder if he plays Lotto, cause he’ll win every night that lucky bum… except for tonight.
SWISH!!!!!
Bobby Abreu makes that play look easy.
He catches it standing still.
It was too close to the wall for Abreu
Keep Hughes in the game!
This is killing me. Somebody needs to glue Joe to his fucking seat.
A little racist, but Japanese baseball players in general either suck, are not worth it, or burn out at a relatively young age.
Umm Ichiro is still pretty good……..
he’s one of the exceptions
Funny coming from a guy named Charlie.
What the hell? matsui has been a very good player for the Yankees and that ichiro dude is pretty sick.
Dice-K, Kei Igawa, and Okajima usually sucks too. I guess i’m mostly talking about japanese pitchers.
I’m not sure Japanese Baseball players are a race.
well, you know what i mean
Iwamura, Ichiro, Dek. How many Japanese players come over? How many American ball players fail? I’d say they are either right on par with the success rate or slightly ahead.
good outing by Hughes. one misstake but kept it under control
Ok Coke it’s the Grape Ape at .197 attack him!!!!
Does David Ortiz warrants a lefty specialist?
That’s what I was thinking. Then again, if you want to pull Hughes, now’s a good time, no?
Great catch by Swisher. Nervous about Coke.
Great job Phil. Keep it goin Phil
FOR THE RECORD, TAKING OUT HUGHES WAS A TERRIBLE MOVE!!
Where do you people come from ? Could you go back there?
we got this.
I guess I missed one hell of a catch by Swish
yes u did
Has Coke pitched yet this week?
Coke Classic!
Who looks worse swinging the bat, Fat Papi or Bailout Matsui?
Big Sloppy hands down. Matsui has had ups and downs this season.
I thought Swisher should’ve been benched Drew? Before he could make more mistakes like that amazing catch.
So its Swisher, Melky, and Jeter in the 8th and if no one gets on Damon, Tex, and Arod in the 9th and i really like our chances with them up!
By the way terrific outing by Hughes. One mistake but overall kept his team in the ballgame. Good job.
He’s been really impressive, looks like a completely different pitcher.
If there’s one thing you love about swisher, it’s his heart, He might not be Paul,tino, or bernie, but his heart is just as big as all of theirs…. something the yankees have been missing.
Alright, who pitches teh eighth1?!
(For both teams) Okajima and . . . hopefully Veras, after the Yankees hang a 10 spot up there.
See this is where I have the problem with Jorge. Jorge wants pitchers to through exactly what he wants and then argues when guys shake him off. His pitch selection might be the difference in the game right now. He calls five consecutive fastballs on the outside corner to Drew and then, as if Youkilis wasn’t paying attention he calls for one on 2-0.
Molina and Cervy always try to make sure the pitchers throw what they want and have conviction in. While also incorporating scouting reports and what the hitters are looking for. Jorge must either be flexible or get from behind the plate.
Besides that spotty command in the first full inning, Hughes has looked muy bien. his arby clock has already started, get your money’s worth, $man.
That dive by swisher boosted his UZR by like 5 runs.