It’s just a start but it comes to show ya when u see guys like Lowe and Santana that pitching in the AL especially in the AL East is a different animal.
It’s certainly true that he’s gotten older, and the division is tougher offensively than it was in the early part of the decade. And I didn’t advocate signing Lowe at any point during this offseason.
But let’s not sell the guy too short here, he did win 80 and save 80 during his time in Boston IIRC, he was a very nice pitcher.
reasons liek this why i choose sabathia for the yankees over santana.
dont get me wrong, santana is a fucking AWESOME pitcher but sabathia is more of the style that fits our club. Even on a C.C. off day he can go 6 innings
UPDATE, 2:04 p.m.: Federal government will stop water-boarding prisoners in favor of making them watch A.J. Burnett pitch. “I give in! Here are the secret plans! No more!”
I had my diatribe for today all planned out…about how this series should have been a sweep for the mets because friday night was just a lucky once in a lifetime bounce. Now I’m ready to say that this should have been a sweep for the yankees because there’s no way they should get shut down by Nieve.
ittl be a 2-1 to Melky (i forgot the count…)
Swung on and hit in the air deep to left IT IS HIGH IT IS FAR IT IS…..(long pause)….off the left field wall..
I would love to see Bruney as well. Let’s see him come out and strike out the side, point to K-Rod and just flip out with a 10 minute fist pumping, sky pointing celebration.
Maybe we can throw Phil Hughes in and get Brandon Inge. I like Inge a lot, I like Inge a lot. I wouldn’t mind getting Inge, I like him a lot, I like Inge a lot.
John Sterling and Suzan Waldman are talking about the Mets bringing in their Japanese pitcher who sucks. The floodgates are open, and the runs won’t stop.
Well to be fair to Francesa (I can’t believe I just typed those words), the Yanks could have moved Cabrera to 1B also and also gone out and signed Lowell or acquired some other third baseman.
Me? I’m good with Tex and A-Rod at the corners, thank you very much.
It wasnt a knock on Cabrera as a 1B. They would of had to clean the farm to get Cabrera and Willis, and not even a year later they would have to search for a 3B and wouldnt have the farm to get one.
The Tigers really should have just settled for Cabrera. That would have been a really excellent trade for them then. Now, it’s just a good one since the Tigers couldn’t help but screw it up by signing Dontrelle.
This is a response to a comment by Zach in the last thread:
“Running over the catcher is different, if the catcher is blocking the plate the runner was the right to get to the plate.”
But if the ball reaches the third baseman before the runner gets there, and the third baseman blocks the bag to tag the runner out, can the runner just run through the third baseman and try to knock him down for the sole purpose of trying to knock the ball out of the third baseman’s glove? I think that if the ball arrives before the baserunner and the defender then blocks the runner’s path to the base, that’s just too bad for the runner and he shouldn’t be able to try to hurt the guy to knock the ball out of his glove. I think the response will be that if the defender doesn’t have the ball then the runner should be allowed to hit him if he’s in the way, and my answer is, well, of course he can, runners can always run through a defender who is in the basepath. But intentionally running through a player who has the ball and has the base blocked is different, as is absolutely lighting up a catcher who doesn’t have the ball, and who is in all likelihood unprepared because he’s looking to the field for a throw, when the runner could just as easily slide and touch the bag without attempting to hurt someone.
“If you dont like the sliding into second okay, but then its time to do away completely with the infielders ‘touching’ second base on a DP.”
I think those two rules are mutually exclusive. The purpose of the rule allowing a defender to take his foot off second just before actually receiving the ball is to protect the health of the defender, who is in a very vulnerable position with a runner likely sliding into his ankles/knees. That has nothing to do with allowing a baserunner to slide 5 feet wide of the base with the sole purpose to sliding through the defender. I think that in allowing baserunners to do that MLB is actually creating a dangerous situation, since they are allowing baserunners to do something (run outside the basepath) that they wouldn’t otherwise be allowed to do. Unless you expressly say “you may slide outside the basepath in order to slide through the defender and not slide into the base,” the runner wouldn’t be allowed to do it. In fact, allowing the baserunner to slide wide of the base actually negates the good done by the rule allowing the middle infielder to move his foot off the base, doesn’t it? So, we allow defenders to move off the base a bit early so that they won’t get hurt, but then we allow the baserunner to slide outside the basepath anyway, actually putting the defender back into the dangerous situation we just tried to get him out of? That doesn’t make sense to me.
The base runner is only allowed to slide away from second base to the extent that he can still touch it with his hand or foot.
But I do find that rule contradictory to the rules governing running in the lane going to first.
You bring up some very iinteresting inconsistencies in the rules (or at least lack of definition).
Why is it okay to run over the catcher and try to knock the ball out of his hands but Damon’s running in this game, in the base path, inadvertently knocking the ball loose is not okay.
I think we need some refinement of the official rules in this area.
“The base runner is only allowed to slide away from second base to the extent that he can still touch it with his hand or foot.”
Right, totally… I should probably clarify one general issue with my comment above… I think when I discuss a “rule” I mean the rule as it is actually applied on the field. So, yeah, the baserunner is supposed to be able to touch the base, but we see plays all the time where the runner slides to a spot where he couldn’t possibly reach the base. So, yeah, that’s all… I’m referring to the rules as we actually see them applied in games, as opposed to how they may be written in the book.
“I think that if the ball arrives before the baserunner and the defender then blocks the runner’s path to the base, that’s just too bad for the runner and he shouldn’t be able to try to hurt the guy to knock the ball out of his glove.”
Too bad for the runner? Come on man, its called hustling, they’re not trying to hurt the guy, they’re trying to get to the base to help their team.
Most of the plays at home are split second plays, what do you want the base runner do-stop 1 foot away from the catcher? Give up half way down the basepath to avoid an injury?
You can say its inconsistant for Damon (the ARod play is a better example_ to be out while running over the catcher is legal, but if you cant see the difference between the two plays then i dont know, thats part of baseball- to be able to realize the respect of the game, not like football where you have a pile of players poking each other in the eye, grabbing body parts, etc.
“The purpose of the rule allowing a defender to take his foot off second just before actually receiving the ball is to protect the health of the defender”
So why does the first baseman have to keep his foot on the base? We saw Tex almost get hurt at a play at first, Youk got cleated at first as well. Maybe they should add those little league orange softball bases in foulground so the boys dont get too close to each other.
If the runner slides wide and still is able to reach the base then its a clean play.
I understand you want to make the game safer or whatever, but did you make a post when Tex slid late into 2nd against Texas after he was hit twice? I mean lets put a screen infront of the pitcher that way hes protected from line drives, or have automatic ejections when a batter is hit by a pitch
“Too bad for the runner? Come on man, its called hustling, they’re not trying to hurt the guy, they’re trying to get to the base to help their team.”
The point of the game is to beat the ball to the base or to beat the tag, not to brutally force the ball out of the defender’s grasp when you’ve already been beaten to the spot.
“Most of the plays at home are split second plays, what do you want the base runner do-stop 1 foot away from the catcher? Give up half way down the basepath to avoid an injury?”
No. Like I said, the runner should go for the plate if and when possible. Also, like I said above, if a defender is in the baserunner’s path and doesn’t have the ball, the runner has every right to run through the guy if it’s the only way for him to advance forward.
“You can say its inconsistant for Damon (the ARod play is a better example_ to be out while running over the catcher is legal, but if you cant see the difference between the two plays then i dont know, thats part of baseball- to be able to realize the respect of the game, not like football where you have a pile of players poking each other in the eye, grabbing body parts, etc.”
I never said anything about the Damon and A-Rod plays, and I honestly think they’re totally irrelevant to the points I covered above and in my original post. We DO agree, however, that this is baseball and not football. To me, that means “no tackling.” Again, baseball is about beating the ball to the bag or beating the tag to the spot, not about brutally forcing the ball from the defender’s grasp when you’ve already been beaten to the spot. The latter would be much more appropriate in football.
“So why does the first baseman have to keep his foot on the base? We saw Tex almost get hurt at a play at first, Youk got cleated at first as well. Maybe they should add those little league orange softball bases in foulground so the boys dont get too close to each other.
If the runner slides wide and still is able to reach the base then its a clean play.”
Because there’s a clear difference between (1) having a baserunner running down the first base line and stepping on the base as he passes and (2) having a baserunner slide into second base, and over the base, while a defender is standing there and trying to deliver the ball to first base for the double play. MLB clearly agrees with my assessment, since they allow the defender at second a little leeway. Are you arguing that MLB shouldn’t allow the middle infielder to make the “phantom tag” while trying to turn a double play? That’s kind of a different question than the ones I addressed above.
“I understand you want to make the game safer or whatever, but did you make a post when Tex slid late into 2nd against Texas after he was hit twice?”
Whether I posted anything when Tex slid into second is completely irrelevant. I don’t remember the play perfectly off the top of my head. If he slid so wide of the bag that he couldn’t touch the bag from where he slid, then that would be something I argued against above. Whether a Yankee does it is completely irrelevant to my analysis.
“I mean lets put a screen infront of the pitcher that way hes protected from line drives, or have automatic ejections when a batter is hit by a pitch”
This is completely irrelevant and does not address the arguments I posted in my comment above or in my original comment. I’m loathe to even dignify that comment with a response, but nothing I’ve said in this conversation means that I think every single little dangerous aspect of the game of baseball should be addressed by treating the players and the game with kid gloves. My point(s) have been about rules that I think make the game more dangerous by expressly waiving the restrictions contained in other rules (i.e. no running outside the basepaths or physically obliterating a defender who is trying to tag the runner).
PS: Re the “phantom tag” rule. Frankly, I don’t really love that rule, either. If the player can’t make the play, he can’t make the play, and I don’t love the idea that we help the defender by allowing him to, in effect, break the rules, just to make a play a little quicker. So, no, my opinions are not just based on trying to treat players with kid-gloves and protect them from every little nick and bruise they may suffer. Like I said above, I just don’t think we should have rules that allow players to do things that (1) they wouldn’t otherwise be allowed to do and that (2) put players in dangerous situations they wouldn’t otherwise encounter absent those rules.
man, Alex’s well hit balls still not landing in for hits…maybe hes saving that luck for the postseason run because his selfish ass know he cant win Regular season MVP, so he’ll try for ALCS and WS MVP.
Bard getting smacked around a bit in Philly- allowed an inherited runner to score, plus two of his own. But watching him, his secondary stuff is better than I had heard, and his control is decent at best.
Just what I want Chip Caray! Spend a half inning talking about the importance of David Ortiz to the Red Sox line up…DURING A METS YANKEES GAME!!!!!!!!!!!
can somebody please explain to me why girardi is such a shmuck?
if he planned on using phil and he needed work why only give him an inning if he easily coulda gave him more…
i just dont get him sometimes…
AJ went 7 so he couldn’t have easily gave him more. Phil will be asked to pitch more innings on Wednesday with Wang’s start. Joe wanted to get Phil some work with the day off tomorrow and CC going on Tuesday.
Don’t get me wrong–I’m thrilled to see Phil Hughes pitch. I can really see him becoming a great starter someday. I have more faith in him panning out than Joba, even. This brings me to my next point–why is he pitching with a 15 run lead when he could easily be used in a far more valuable situation? If the argument is he needs innings, sure, I agree that he needs innings. But this is one inning in mop-up duty. Why not give him a few? Or get Wang out of the rotation and replace him with Hughes. Maybe today is just to keep his arm fresh.
Sometimes I think that Joe Girardi somehow merged that commercial where they say “The odds of becoming a professional athlete: 1 in 10,000. The odds of a child having autism: 1 in 166.”
IT’S TO KEEP HIM FRESH FOR WEDNESDAY! Is this that hard to figure out? They want him to pitch more innings on Wednesday, but he hasn’t pitched in a few days, there is a day off tomorrow, and CC is going on Tuesday.
SNY just showed the K-Rod/Bruney incident. Bruney looked better. Bruney didn’t back down and K-Rod didn’t do shit until people were in between them. Then he started with the theatrics.
Small sample size. There, I said it. Posada’s career numbers suggest that he has caught just as well as his backups over his career. I see no reason that it should change this year. I bet if you took the Wang numbers out of Jorge’s stats, they would look pretty similar to Cervelli’s.
That’s the party line, for sure, and I can’t say it isn’t correct.
But I’ve heard it said/written two or three times recently, that Posada has an “abrasive personality,” and that it’s been a recurring theme through the years that certain pitchers don’t like working with him.
Look, anyone with any baseball sense knows when you have a catcher who can hit you put up with their defense, because it just puts you at an advantage over other teams. That’s not in dispute. The “wildcard,” however, is the fact that it’s nearly impossible to quantitate the effect a catcher has on a pitcher’s performance. Raw statistics (catcher’s ERA, etc.), are extremely difficult to interpret.
So let’s pose a silly hypothetical: If you thought that you were going to get a mediocre performance out of Joba every time he pitched to Posada, that he would struggle with control, because Jorgie’s pissing him off and eroding his confidence by fighting with him, would you still put him in there, knowing he’s a much better bat than Cervelli?
I’d always rather have a defensive minded catcher who puts that aspect of his job ahead of everything else. It’s just a “hunchy” opinion, but I think when you look at the fact that the Yankees have struggled with pitching more than anything else the last 7 years, I think Posada bears some of the responsibility for that.
It really sucks i missed this game, but the box score makes me happy enough. Great win, i knew burnett would show up today, and way to embarass Johan. Hopefully this gets our offense firing on all cylinders and we can start another big win streak. And who better to do that against than the washington nationals?
wow, look at lohud’s updates during the first few innings of the game. Ridiculous pessimism and sarcasm, making fun of A.J. How’s 7 shutout innings look now Pete Abe?
this fuckin’ guy
Amen to that. Johan who?
This makes up for the Nieve start and then some.
You still think that Johan was saved by not going to the AL, especially going to the AL East.
No. Johan’s a damn good pitcher, who fortunately for us, saved one of his bad days for today.
i def agree. he woud dominate the AL east if he was a full time starter
Who wants to bet that Francesa ignores AJ, Andy and Johan tomorrow and talks about Joba as a 4 inning pitcher for 6hours tomorrow?
Nobody gives a fuck about good stuff, America loves controversy.
Wouldn’t it be great if we could get a NY-area wide restraining order on Francesca. That way, he’d never be able to speak on a radio station again.
The Mets should trade Santana asap for Zach Duke
Mike Francesa
he could win like 14-17 games!1!
Santana to the eighth inning.lol
NA NA NA NA, NA NA NA NA, HEY HEY HEY, GOOODBYE! [/waves]
Man, the Yanks used to annihilate Stokes when he was with Tampa.
Absolutely unreal…roll over like dogs by an emergency scrub, then turn around and blow Santana away.
Which is why baseball is so great — it’s not necessarily predictable.
It’s just keep getting better and better.
Mets should move him to the 8th. He clearly can’t last 5 innings. Johan Santana is not a starting pitcher.
ANDY PETTITTE IS A STAAAAARTING PITCHA!
Who was it that called for a good ol’ fashioned beatdown? Day late but you’re getting your wish!
Medlen bailed out Lowe.
Lowe’s final line
2.1 IP
8 hits
7 earned runs
3 BB
0 strikeouts
1 homerun
Please, anyone that thinks we should have signed Lowe in the AL east, raise your hand
Do you really think that one bad start proves the guy can’t hack it? Or that he’d pitch like that all year in the AL or this division?
I agree that not signing him was a good move, but you’re selling his talents short.
haha
It’s just a start but it comes to show ya when u see guys like Lowe and Santana that pitching in the AL especially in the AL East is a different animal.
I would’ve thought that Lowe’s 8 years in Boston established that he can hack it in this division.
Everyone gets knocked around every so often–even Johan.
asides from 1 good year(2002), lowe was average at best as a starter in the AL east.
plus he’s even older now
It’s certainly true that he’s gotten older, and the division is tougher offensively than it was in the early part of the decade. And I didn’t advocate signing Lowe at any point during this offseason.
But let’s not sell the guy too short here, he did win 80 and save 80 during his time in Boston IIRC, he was a very nice pitcher.
thinks going real bad for the mets right now
cmon bring home jeter to make Johan have allowed 9 ERs for the day
I love games like this, when other team gets Murphy Law’d
Wow what an offensive explosion. Hope AJ doesnt suffer from another long inning.
Hopefully he doesn’t throw another pitch out of the strike zone all game.
He’d probably end up with 15 Ks.
You’d love him to go out and just pitch to the lead and relax and just continue to shut them down
Veras gets to pitch again today.
And will give back six runs, and then Mo will have to pitch to make sure we win.
Veras did good yesterday.
Er….ok…
Johan’s ERA went up .79 today
So is that DP from Alex unclutch because the bases were loaded, or meaningless since the Yankees were up 8?
He wanted to be the first yankee in years to induce a triple play…..he’s a selfish stat padder!
Oh yeah yesterday about the A-Rod RISP stats. Yeah you were right. I think the MLB page did it only when he was a Yankee.
Do you know how ticked off the Met fan is?
Ur might lose this series to the yanks by a drop ball, and ur best pitcher on the mound getting lit up like a Rockerfeller christmas tree.
CANO BOMB. HELL YEAH
WELCOME TO THE AL EAST STOKES
he used to pitch for the rays
and he sucked against the yankees then too…
CANOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
This Cano fella is padding his stats.
So. THATS why Cano is batting 5th…
Robbie!
I love it.
WOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
ROBBIE CANO WITH THE BOMB!!!
Don’t ya know…Robbie Cano..
Just pour it on baby, just pour it on.
teh bandbox11!!
Wow. What a time for MLB.TV to crap out and tell me the game is “temporarily unavailable”.
its censored due to crappyness of mets pitching
This baseball game has been rated M for excessive Metsiness.
its censored because its not the red sox putting up 6 runs in an inning.
Just stopping in. Just wanted to ask where are all those people who wanted to trade Hughes away for Santana are? Mr. Lombardi?
and…
CANO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I’m still to this day not sure what the real package was supposed to be for Santana, I’ve heard so many variations
Don’t care. I wouldn’t have given up a low-A player for Santana because he wanted that 7 year deal… I’d rather have CC.
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
I would absolutely have given up a garbage package of low minors players for Santana. Santana is sorta awesome.
Anything that sounds too good to be true was probably false.
This is great. This just went from a game to stat day. Let’s keep running up the score and get up some of these stats.
NOBODY MESSES WITH BRIAN BRUNEY!!! NOBODY!!!
Mlb.tv has crapped out. It isn’t showing game feeds from either wpix or yes. It will however do radio… Damnit!
It is airing on TBS if you have that channel.
The New York Mets…very funny
The yankees are telling the mets to go get their fucking shinebox
I’m hoping we see Matsui hit his second homer of the inning here.
Then Phil Hughes make relief appearance and K’s the side and then grills Johan.
No mercy Yankee bats go for the throat!
Swisher just doing his usual walking exercise.
Need 3 touch downs today to wipe out the frustration of the whole week..
reasons liek this why i choose sabathia for the yankees over santana.
dont get me wrong, santana is a fucking AWESOME pitcher but sabathia is more of the style that fits our club. Even on a C.C. off day he can go 6 innings
Before today, Johan’s shortest outing was 5.2IP. And that was opening day. I don’t really get your point.
it just seems like Johan is more fragile. You have to watch his pitch count much more often. C.C. can throw 120+ pitches
Plus Santana pitches in the AAAA league.
Would someone like to remind me why this team bunts, again?
SO close to a homerun!
so now will burnett lose the strikezone again and go all rick ankiel on us in the top of the 5th?
Melky ruins everything!!!
He got an extra base hit, didn’t he?
Really, Melky? You needed a triple? Whatever, I’ll take it.
Good lord.
haha melky better be ready to get plunked later
melky thrown out at 3rd once again, rofl.
love the effort melky
Does that 2nd run count?
John Sterling’s call on that Melky hit:
“It’s hit to deep center, IT IS HIGH, IT IS FAR, IT IS…off the wall”
You never make the 3rd out of an inning at 3rd base.
THATS’S BUSH LEAGUE!!! DFA MELKY NOW!!!
Good thing that Melky got thrown out, you don’t want AJ getting too cold on the bench, hehe…
UPDATE, 2:04 p.m.: Federal government will stop water-boarding prisoners in favor of making them watch A.J. Burnett pitch. “I give in! Here are the secret plans! No more!”
from pete abe
..or they could just read Pete Abe’s hi-hi-hilarious commentary.
Stupid joke, but all this losing the strike zone randomly is difficult to watch sometimes.
jesus christ, they are straight up killing the mets today
I had my diatribe for today all planned out…about how this series should have been a sweep for the mets because friday night was just a lucky once in a lifetime bounce. Now I’m ready to say that this should have been a sweep for the yankees because there’s no way they should get shut down by Nieve.
Oh, what I would pay to send Bruney out in the top 9th and have him fist pump with the final out.
would be good.
Way to stop working, MLB.tv
Idiots at MLBAM…
cone and leiter are the best. please fire john flaherty
+10000
Obviously, nothing to complain about. But the Yanks just cant seem to figure out this whole baserunning thing.
Melky just wanted to go for the hell of it I guess. But yeah nothing to complain about since this isn’t a habitual thing.
Baseball is a funny game. The day after we get owned by a crappy journeyman pitcher we blow out one of the game’s best pitchers…
thanks for your 27 ERA and 3.67 whip Johan.
sigh
ittl be a 2-1 to Melky (i forgot the count…)
Swung on and hit in the air deep to left IT IS HIGH IT IS FAR IT IS…..(long pause)….off the left field wall..
hahaha i heard the same thing too!
We would’ve scored way more it wasnt for that unclutch DP by A-rod
He must’ve misread the pitch tip he got from his friends on the field…
I have a man-crush on Cervelli
lol mets announcers talking about taking out castillo, beltran, wright, cora
Way to hustle Cora
wow melkman with the terrible baserunning error there
I would love to see Bruney as well. Let’s see him come out and strike out the side, point to K-Rod and just flip out with a 10 minute fist pumping, sky pointing celebration.
ALEX CORA WINS GAMES
13 hits + 13 runs = EFFICIENCY!
Where did Cora learn to be a crying bitch like that? Did he play for the Redsox?
ARGH!!! MLB.TV IS STILL DOWN!!!! Why can’t they mess up the service when the yanks are down 0-6?!?!!
Because John Henry & Co. can only show Yankee games wear the Curse of MT can be supported.
hey marc, i had the same problem. They told me to log out and log back in, and it worked!
It’s back to working fine since the start of the 5th inning for me…
Just came back on this inning. Really crappy to miss the best parts of the ballgame
oh man i’m sorry man. I called them immediately when it went off and it went right back on!
i was also listening to WCBS, and it was working while the video wasnt
Just came back for me at the top of the 5th
So does anyone else believe AJ has a 2 hitter going?
81 pitches through 5
not horrible, considering he had that 1 long inning. on pace to go through 7.
cervelli doing WORK
god i love this kid.
go away jose doubles molina
Lets trade cervelli while his stock is high…anybody else agree?
Jason Heyward for Cervelli…make it happen Cash!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Or keep him as an actual good 3rd string catcher. Him or Kevin Cash. And Posada isn’t exactly an iron horse.
No, I’ll take Heyward = )
Maybe we can throw Phil Hughes in and get Brandon Inge. I like Inge a lot, I like Inge a lot. I wouldn’t mind getting Inge, I like him a lot, I like Inge a lot.
Francesa is that you?
eric do you like inge allot?
you don’t trade 22 year old superstar in the making pitchers
there is a reason why the tigers never traded porcello
also, what the hell would inge do here? hang out on the bench?
superutility with a lot of pop, he can even backup catcher
I smell another oaktag-like comment coming on!
Cervelli boosting the avg from .269 to .309 today. I love it.
oh captain my captain.
come on phillies!!!
Beckett HR, are you kidding?
John Sterling and Suzan Waldman are talking about the Mets bringing in their Japanese pitcher who sucks. The floodgates are open, and the runs won’t stop.
Hah jeter raised his avg .011 so far today. Ridic.
Hopefully this is the start of Burnett getting his Ish together for the rest of the season
:/ we thought the same thing after what he did to texas…
13 runs and arod is 0-3
lol
you dont get RBIs off of double plays
negative, that was a DP so no RBI
Phillies up 5-4!!!!!
Phils pull ahead
Teix, wtf? I wanna win 20-0!
LETS GO PHILLIES!
CLAP CLAP CLAPCLAPCLAP!
D-train
3.2IP
6 hits
6 runs
8 WALKS
1 strikeout
HOLY SHIT
Anyone else remember when Francesa wanted to trade for Cabrera and really wanted Willis after Alex opted out?
Cabrera is no long a 3B and Willis is lost
Well to be fair to Francesa (I can’t believe I just typed those words), the Yanks could have moved Cabrera to 1B also and also gone out and signed Lowell or acquired some other third baseman.
Me? I’m good with Tex and A-Rod at the corners, thank you very much.
well cabrera is the best hitting 1B in the game….
let’s not try to make it like he turned into a slob
It wasnt a knock on Cabrera as a 1B. They would of had to clean the farm to get Cabrera and Willis, and not even a year later they would have to search for a 3B and wouldnt have the farm to get one.
Heard of a guy named “Pujols”? He might disagree with you.
That is sad
The Tigers really should have just settled for Cabrera. That would have been a really excellent trade for them then. Now, it’s just a good one since the Tigers couldn’t help but screw it up by signing Dontrelle.
Shouldnt have given him 30m before he showed he could pitch again
man AJ has his 2 seamer killing today
This is a response to a comment by Zach in the last thread:
“Running over the catcher is different, if the catcher is blocking the plate the runner was the right to get to the plate.”
But if the ball reaches the third baseman before the runner gets there, and the third baseman blocks the bag to tag the runner out, can the runner just run through the third baseman and try to knock him down for the sole purpose of trying to knock the ball out of the third baseman’s glove? I think that if the ball arrives before the baserunner and the defender then blocks the runner’s path to the base, that’s just too bad for the runner and he shouldn’t be able to try to hurt the guy to knock the ball out of his glove. I think the response will be that if the defender doesn’t have the ball then the runner should be allowed to hit him if he’s in the way, and my answer is, well, of course he can, runners can always run through a defender who is in the basepath. But intentionally running through a player who has the ball and has the base blocked is different, as is absolutely lighting up a catcher who doesn’t have the ball, and who is in all likelihood unprepared because he’s looking to the field for a throw, when the runner could just as easily slide and touch the bag without attempting to hurt someone.
“If you dont like the sliding into second okay, but then its time to do away completely with the infielders ‘touching’ second base on a DP.”
I think those two rules are mutually exclusive. The purpose of the rule allowing a defender to take his foot off second just before actually receiving the ball is to protect the health of the defender, who is in a very vulnerable position with a runner likely sliding into his ankles/knees. That has nothing to do with allowing a baserunner to slide 5 feet wide of the base with the sole purpose to sliding through the defender. I think that in allowing baserunners to do that MLB is actually creating a dangerous situation, since they are allowing baserunners to do something (run outside the basepath) that they wouldn’t otherwise be allowed to do. Unless you expressly say “you may slide outside the basepath in order to slide through the defender and not slide into the base,” the runner wouldn’t be allowed to do it. In fact, allowing the baserunner to slide wide of the base actually negates the good done by the rule allowing the middle infielder to move his foot off the base, doesn’t it? So, we allow defenders to move off the base a bit early so that they won’t get hurt, but then we allow the baserunner to slide outside the basepath anyway, actually putting the defender back into the dangerous situation we just tried to get him out of? That doesn’t make sense to me.
(Sorry this comment was so long, guys.)
Excellent comment – Don’t mind the length.
The base runner is only allowed to slide away from second base to the extent that he can still touch it with his hand or foot.
But I do find that rule contradictory to the rules governing running in the lane going to first.
You bring up some very iinteresting inconsistencies in the rules (or at least lack of definition).
Why is it okay to run over the catcher and try to knock the ball out of his hands but Damon’s running in this game, in the base path, inadvertently knocking the ball loose is not okay.
I think we need some refinement of the official rules in this area.
“The base runner is only allowed to slide away from second base to the extent that he can still touch it with his hand or foot.”
Right, totally… I should probably clarify one general issue with my comment above… I think when I discuss a “rule” I mean the rule as it is actually applied on the field. So, yeah, the baserunner is supposed to be able to touch the base, but we see plays all the time where the runner slides to a spot where he couldn’t possibly reach the base. So, yeah, that’s all… I’m referring to the rules as we actually see them applied in games, as opposed to how they may be written in the book.
“I think that if the ball arrives before the baserunner and the defender then blocks the runner’s path to the base, that’s just too bad for the runner and he shouldn’t be able to try to hurt the guy to knock the ball out of his glove.”
Too bad for the runner? Come on man, its called hustling, they’re not trying to hurt the guy, they’re trying to get to the base to help their team.
Most of the plays at home are split second plays, what do you want the base runner do-stop 1 foot away from the catcher? Give up half way down the basepath to avoid an injury?
You can say its inconsistant for Damon (the ARod play is a better example_ to be out while running over the catcher is legal, but if you cant see the difference between the two plays then i dont know, thats part of baseball- to be able to realize the respect of the game, not like football where you have a pile of players poking each other in the eye, grabbing body parts, etc.
“The purpose of the rule allowing a defender to take his foot off second just before actually receiving the ball is to protect the health of the defender”
So why does the first baseman have to keep his foot on the base? We saw Tex almost get hurt at a play at first, Youk got cleated at first as well. Maybe they should add those little league orange softball bases in foulground so the boys dont get too close to each other.
If the runner slides wide and still is able to reach the base then its a clean play.
I understand you want to make the game safer or whatever, but did you make a post when Tex slid late into 2nd against Texas after he was hit twice? I mean lets put a screen infront of the pitcher that way hes protected from line drives, or have automatic ejections when a batter is hit by a pitch
“Too bad for the runner? Come on man, its called hustling, they’re not trying to hurt the guy, they’re trying to get to the base to help their team.”
The point of the game is to beat the ball to the base or to beat the tag, not to brutally force the ball out of the defender’s grasp when you’ve already been beaten to the spot.
“Most of the plays at home are split second plays, what do you want the base runner do-stop 1 foot away from the catcher? Give up half way down the basepath to avoid an injury?”
No. Like I said, the runner should go for the plate if and when possible. Also, like I said above, if a defender is in the baserunner’s path and doesn’t have the ball, the runner has every right to run through the guy if it’s the only way for him to advance forward.
“You can say its inconsistant for Damon (the ARod play is a better example_ to be out while running over the catcher is legal, but if you cant see the difference between the two plays then i dont know, thats part of baseball- to be able to realize the respect of the game, not like football where you have a pile of players poking each other in the eye, grabbing body parts, etc.”
I never said anything about the Damon and A-Rod plays, and I honestly think they’re totally irrelevant to the points I covered above and in my original post. We DO agree, however, that this is baseball and not football. To me, that means “no tackling.” Again, baseball is about beating the ball to the bag or beating the tag to the spot, not about brutally forcing the ball from the defender’s grasp when you’ve already been beaten to the spot. The latter would be much more appropriate in football.
“So why does the first baseman have to keep his foot on the base? We saw Tex almost get hurt at a play at first, Youk got cleated at first as well. Maybe they should add those little league orange softball bases in foulground so the boys dont get too close to each other.
If the runner slides wide and still is able to reach the base then its a clean play.”
Because there’s a clear difference between (1) having a baserunner running down the first base line and stepping on the base as he passes and (2) having a baserunner slide into second base, and over the base, while a defender is standing there and trying to deliver the ball to first base for the double play. MLB clearly agrees with my assessment, since they allow the defender at second a little leeway. Are you arguing that MLB shouldn’t allow the middle infielder to make the “phantom tag” while trying to turn a double play? That’s kind of a different question than the ones I addressed above.
“I understand you want to make the game safer or whatever, but did you make a post when Tex slid late into 2nd against Texas after he was hit twice?”
Whether I posted anything when Tex slid into second is completely irrelevant. I don’t remember the play perfectly off the top of my head. If he slid so wide of the bag that he couldn’t touch the bag from where he slid, then that would be something I argued against above. Whether a Yankee does it is completely irrelevant to my analysis.
“I mean lets put a screen infront of the pitcher that way hes protected from line drives, or have automatic ejections when a batter is hit by a pitch”
This is completely irrelevant and does not address the arguments I posted in my comment above or in my original comment. I’m loathe to even dignify that comment with a response, but nothing I’ve said in this conversation means that I think every single little dangerous aspect of the game of baseball should be addressed by treating the players and the game with kid gloves. My point(s) have been about rules that I think make the game more dangerous by expressly waiving the restrictions contained in other rules (i.e. no running outside the basepaths or physically obliterating a defender who is trying to tag the runner).
PS: Re the “phantom tag” rule. Frankly, I don’t really love that rule, either. If the player can’t make the play, he can’t make the play, and I don’t love the idea that we help the defender by allowing him to, in effect, break the rules, just to make a play a little quicker. So, no, my opinions are not just based on trying to treat players with kid-gloves and protect them from every little nick and bruise they may suffer. Like I said above, I just don’t think we should have rules that allow players to do things that (1) they wouldn’t otherwise be allowed to do and that (2) put players in dangerous situations they wouldn’t otherwise encounter absent those rules.
Enjoyed the analysis thank you congressman. Interesting questions posed, anyone got some good answers?
Nice play Johnny D.
man, Alex’s well hit balls still not landing in for hits…maybe hes saving that luck for the postseason run because his selfish ass know he cant win Regular season MVP, so he’ll try for ALCS and WS MVP.
DOUBLE PLAY! yo quiero shutout
wtf!! Becket hits a HR?
heh
Great, now the highlights tonight will be of that, not the Yanks tagging Johan for 9 ER’s
That’s Unbelievable!
Sorry David, people want to go home.
Wow Mets. You’re down 13 runs and you think one baserunner is key to winning.
Exactly! if it was TEH SOX i would understand but its not…
Manuel just wanted to leave
Jerry decides to leave early today.
he’s going to get his blade
“Thats Gangsta”
Manuel’d
Looks like Switzer can’t get lefties out.
cano heating up again? i hope so
I love Swish at bats even if it was a fly out there
Hey guys, just got back from my Moms house.
Did I miss anything?
LOL
Can we get some Hughes???
Probably won’t see him til Wang’s start.
I dunno, I wouldn’t be surprised to see him get an inning here to keep him sharp.
Im thinking that too but, it wouldn’t surprise if they just say hey lets just use Hughes as security blanket for Weds.
he came in for an inning 2 days before Wang’s last start and it worked out well so you’re right, he probbaly will be in today
nah he threw 75 pitches so he’ll be off till Tuesday
That was by far the FUNNIEST game thread of the YEAR!!!!!
Also I figured out AJ- he only pitches good against New York teams.
Inhell Errora sighting!
Apparently 13 runs with 3 left is Joes minimum…
pastadiving…wait
hahahaa sterling just called pena jeter…
Great play by Pena!!
Love Pena!
Pena can glove it no.
Pin Stripes Plus has a picture of Yankee draft pick Murton up. I didn’t know that he was white. Hmmmmmm, you never know.
He’s Matt Murton’s little brother, isn’t he?
Yes he is , but I guess you can’t judge a book by its brother.
yes.
of course, maybe Matt Murton’s mom is white and dad is black….
Maybe his mom is black and his dad is white….wait, that doesn’t work…
great double play there by pena and cano
beckett just got j-rolled
Phillies up 6 to 5!!!
Hey Hey!!! Jeter’s range the left on that DP!!!
Phils lead again!
It happens with a minuscule sample size you F’ing IDIOTS!
haha here is berroa
that was smart. can’t let berroa beat you
Broke his hip
/Abraham’d
oh wow Berroa got on base
and berroa got hit!
Thnk the Yanks retire #42 again?
definitely…its for the best relief pitcher of all-time
yes
amazing that the yankees are still getting on base…. haha
excellent job by ramiro pena!
TOUCHDOWN PENA!
And Mark Sanchez connects with Leon Washington for the second touchdown in the game. With the extra point, it’s Jets 14, Patriots 0
scratch that, 2 pt conversion
nesn announcers are the biggest homers ever
did they say beckett wasnt that bad today?
Phillies up 7 to 5!! Go Phillies!!
9-5!
actually, Giants are shutting down the Jets with their l33t defense! get that Jet bullspit outta here
Seems like everyone but A-Rod got a hit today
and swish
A-Rod only gets hits in blowouts.
cano hittin em far
Yeah Phillies – 9-5!!!
bard learning that big league hitters can hit 96 mph fastballs
Bard getting smacked around a bit in Philly- allowed an inherited runner to score, plus two of his own. But watching him, his secondary stuff is better than I had heard, and his control is decent at best.
he just lost the zone though, intentional walk to get to chan ho park, then walks him on 4 pitches
he def has a second pitch
Well, I’m sure a whole ton of people are happy Johan Santana was the best player for the Yankees today.
I’d ask why Veras isn’t pitching here, but no need to pitch about bullpen usage with a 15 (!) run lead.
remember, no game tomorrow.
so, D-Rob gets an inning to avoid a 3 day layoff.
heh Bard walked Chan Ho Park
LMAO
Daniei Bard just walked Chan Ho Park! On four pitches!!!!!!!!!!
That’s the Daniel Bard I know.
Robertson looking sharp.
Definitely looking great. Good to see.
And yet the tbs announcers spent the whole inning talking about the red sox young players and pitching depth.
Veras not gonna get some work?
he thew 2 ip yesterday
2 GOOD innings.
Robertson should get a shot as the 8th inning guy.
Saito hits Rollins with first pitch, run scores
Walks Victorino on 4 pithes, run scores
Just what I want Chip Caray! Spend a half inning talking about the importance of David Ortiz to the Red Sox line up…DURING A METS YANKEES GAME!!!!!!!!!!!
red sox bullpen blowing up. satisfying
But, but, their unhittable.
I bet the next time we see D-Rob, it will be in a big spot. He has passed all of his auditions.
i actually think using him today shows he’s moved up the charts. Girardi is making a point of keeping him sharp with the off-day tomorrow.
Phils 11 Sox 5 Still bases loaded – Looks like game ova!
Isringhausen on the 60 day DL. I guess the Rays have to put Price in the bullpen.
/MSM’d
Wasnt he crying last week about not getting save opportunities? Izzy, Balfour, Wheeler, Nelson, Percival are all hurt or ineffective
11-5 Phils now
Ohlendorf: the one that got away?
Eh, probably not. He’s putting up mediocre numbers in the NL Central without really striking out enough hitters. He’d be getting tattooed in the AL.
but hes so smart!
sounds like a future gm
Sure! If the Yankees played in the NL Central.
he has an 84 ERA+ in AAAA.
his ERA would be around 6 in the AL East.
Takashi Saito – 8 pitches 0 strikes 8 balls
And a strikeout to get out of a bases loaded jam – unfortunately
Better stuff: Igawa or Takahashi?
Saito
TEHH DICE-KK!1!1
Today is my birthday so I went out to celebrate for a bit. What did I miss? PFFFFFT ROFL!!111!!
good to see phil hughes in
Hughes’ periphs getting dead sexy….
Yeah, the K-rate is trickling upwards from respectable to elite.
Phil Hughes sighting!
who is playing with Wang’s hair?? (heh)
what happened?
whoever was sitting behind Wang on the bench was twirling his mullet…
LOL thanks
Ugh. Hate to hear the Wang stays in the rotation no matter what argument.
who was that playing with chien-ming wang’s hair???!!!
I love that Bard’s ERA rose to 3.55
can somebody please explain to me why girardi is such a shmuck?
if he planned on using phil and he needed work why only give him an inning if he easily coulda gave him more…
i just dont get him sometimes…
need to keep him somewhat fresh so he can relieve wang on wed?
because Wang is pitching Wednesday, he wants to keep him smart.
Just like he did prior to Wang’s last start, 2 days before he brought Hughes in for one inning.
keep him sharp*
save him for later?
dumb comment.
think about it. gotta save him for Wang’s next start.
pretty damn obvious actually.
good point…
ill take the dumb comment line..i deserved it
heh, sorry to be so blunt. i was more reacting to the word “schmuck”, seemed a little harsh.
Berroa sucks – DFA him – Please
in a perfect world
AJ went 7 so he couldn’t have easily gave him more. Phil will be asked to pitch more innings on Wednesday with Wang’s start. Joe wanted to get Phil some work with the day off tomorrow and CC going on Tuesday.
Sergi Mitre may be a factor for the Yanks bullpen in the very near future.
as long man?
Don’t get me wrong–I’m thrilled to see Phil Hughes pitch. I can really see him becoming a great starter someday. I have more faith in him panning out than Joba, even. This brings me to my next point–why is he pitching with a 15 run lead when he could easily be used in a far more valuable situation? If the argument is he needs innings, sure, I agree that he needs innings. But this is one inning in mop-up duty. Why not give him a few? Or get Wang out of the rotation and replace him with Hughes. Maybe today is just to keep his arm fresh.
Sometimes I think that Joe Girardi somehow merged that commercial where they say “The odds of becoming a professional athlete: 1 in 10,000. The odds of a child having autism: 1 in 166.”
He’s done both.
The reason to give Hughes an inning here was covered upthread; they want him fresh in case he has to relieve Wang on Wednesday.
I’d assume that if Wang is as awful on Wednesday as he was in his other starts, Hughes will take his spot in the rotation.
Look up and you’ll see the same question asked and 5 answers
no, no, it’s because Girardi is “autistic”.
so add “tasteless” to “you’re wrong”.
well done.
obviously that wasn’t meant to Zach
IT’S TO KEEP HIM FRESH FOR WEDNESDAY! Is this that hard to figure out? They want him to pitch more innings on Wednesday, but he hasn’t pitched in a few days, there is a day off tomorrow, and CC is going on Tuesday.
This is to just get Hughes sharp for Weds when CMW starts.
A swinging strike three on a fastball right down the pipe on a 3-2 count?
I love it!
SNY just showed the K-Rod/Bruney incident. Bruney looked better. Bruney didn’t back down and K-Rod didn’t do shit until people were in between them. Then he started with the theatrics.
yeah, Bruney was dumb to start this, but K-Rod managed to look even worse today.
i’d laugh so hard if he gets suspended and the Mets miss the playoffs by a game again….
The whole thing is ridiculous. Bruney should keep his trap shut and K-Rod should TRY to stop being such and ass hole
is there a link to this video online somwhere?
Robertson and Hughes: 2IP, 4K, 0BB
mmmmm
By the way: Who is in favor of giving cervelli more PT?
I vote a DEFINITE yes
YANKEES WIN!
Someone will no doubt say this is stupid, but I think the pitchers do better with Cervelli.
Someone will say “small sample size,” but the pitchers seemed better when Posada was injured.
perhaps.
but the yankees are also playing better teams right now.
We can’t say that yet definitively, but I think you’re on to something.
also, some of the good starts during that stretch (Burnett, Hughes) were caught by Cash
but i don’t think it’s a stretch to say that Cervelli is a better defensive catcher than Posada.
Small sample size. There, I said it. Posada’s career numbers suggest that he has caught just as well as his backups over his career. I see no reason that it should change this year. I bet if you took the Wang numbers out of Jorge’s stats, they would look pretty similar to Cervelli’s.
That’s the party line, for sure, and I can’t say it isn’t correct.
But I’ve heard it said/written two or three times recently, that Posada has an “abrasive personality,” and that it’s been a recurring theme through the years that certain pitchers don’t like working with him.
Look, anyone with any baseball sense knows when you have a catcher who can hit you put up with their defense, because it just puts you at an advantage over other teams. That’s not in dispute. The “wildcard,” however, is the fact that it’s nearly impossible to quantitate the effect a catcher has on a pitcher’s performance. Raw statistics (catcher’s ERA, etc.), are extremely difficult to interpret.
So let’s pose a silly hypothetical: If you thought that you were going to get a mediocre performance out of Joba every time he pitched to Posada, that he would struggle with control, because Jorgie’s pissing him off and eroding his confidence by fighting with him, would you still put him in there, knowing he’s a much better bat than Cervelli?
I’d always rather have a defensive minded catcher who puts that aspect of his job ahead of everything else. It’s just a “hunchy” opinion, but I think when you look at the fact that the Yankees have struggled with pitching more than anything else the last 7 years, I think Posada bears some of the responsibility for that.
Good job beating up on the second best pitcher in NY
AJ is the best pitcher in New York.
He’s no CC!
It really sucks i missed this game, but the box score makes me happy enough. Great win, i knew burnett would show up today, and way to embarass Johan. Hopefully this gets our offense firing on all cylinders and we can start another big win streak. And who better to do that against than the washington nationals?
wow, look at lohud’s updates during the first few innings of the game. Ridiculous pessimism and sarcasm, making fun of A.J. How’s 7 shutout innings look now Pete Abe?