It’s funny, a lot of Yankee fans want CMW done with the rotation and would rather have Phil Hughes in. And I bet those same people were pissed off we didn’t trade him for teh Johan and had a bad start to the 2008 season.
Heh should have clarified. The people who don’t have patience and wants Wang DFA’d to put Hughes in are like the same people who says Hughes sucks after a couple bad starts starting in the 2008 season. I’d love Hughes in the rotation but I just want to see if we can get the dominant CMW back.
All Star break is the best thing that can happen to the Yankees right now. They literally suck with RISP and are being dominated by average to slightly average pitching.
Had that inning set up and blew it. Well, win one tomorrow so you can leave with your heads slightly higher than when you came in.
Yes dickhead, I specifically mentioned Johnson. So glad that you and Tank the Skank can read. Please tell me who they have faced starting with the Mets that has been a great pitcher – Santana, Johnson – are the only two. Wait let me guess you will bring up Lannan…. Ewwww that is a good one.
So yes, I am an idiot and you are the next GM of the Yankees, congrats.
wow good one. So I left out the word Better after slightly, excuse me for not being perfect like you. But then again when your a total ass, perfection has already been achieved.
Isn’t there a glass of drano you should be swallowing by now. Seriously? You an old tired act.
Yeah…but it’s not like Mo is tired. If they go ahead, I think there’s NO reason not to bring mo in. If they score just one…leave Hughes in. No question. He’s good for another two innings.
He would get the win if they come back next inning.
They’re not going to. Lets try to pay attention, they’ve used Hughes for 1 inning 2-3 days before Wang’s last 2 starts to keep him fresh, guess how many days it is til Wang starts? 3, so how many innings will he pitch today? 1
Well, if they explode for 5+, then Hughes will have had to bat, and since he’s due up sixth in the inning, chances are Girardi will need to PH for him to keep the rally moving.
huh? ARod replaces Berroa, Gardner pinch ran for the pitcher’s spot essentially, so when Hughes comes in, Gardner can’t stay in. You either lose ARod or you lose Gardner, you can’t keep both in.
You mean like…4/5 runs they scored yesterday? The run the scored today?
Is Jeter one of these “guys who doesn’t know how to score without homers”? Because he’s a championship winner, and HE is the one that couldn’t come through with the game on the line.
If you don’t think this team is long ball happy you aren’t watching.
Or did those 2 losses to the Nats not wake you up?
You do know when you face good pitching you don’t hit 4 homers. And some games you need to scratch out runs and get runners over and this team is having some problems.
But keep the head in the sand if it meets you feel better losing.
C’mon, man. You can’t really defend the “Yanks only hit homeruns” thesis, can you?
First, let’s stop acting like homeruns are “bad.” They’re the most efficient way to score runs…the runs add up fairly quickly when you hit it over the fence. So, the fact that they hit a lot of homeruns pleases me. But the notion that this team can do nothing else is preposterous.
I’m pissed off at a loss like this, too. But point the finger at not executing at the right moment. Arguing that this team has too much power is like complaining that your car’s gas mileage is too good.
A-Rod hits .365 when he puts the first pitch into play. It doesn’t mean they should swing first pitch all the time, especially against wild guys like Lindstrom.
Didnt say they should swing all the time, if its a pitch you cant do anything with you take it. But lets not act like hes a .200 hitter on the first pitch or 0-50, freakin .440
2 innings? the yankees have been playing this kind of frustrating, mediocre baseball for a few weeks. i have to say though, we have been playing .500 ball and that’s all we need to do before we go on a good run again.
Yankees lead the league in pathetic losses. Not pathetic that they couldnt hit JJ, but that 2nd run they gave up was unearned because Damon missed a routine flyball and the last 2 innings was typical of this offense the past 2 weeks.
I think we’ve lost more games that we should’ve won. Besides the Castillo games, I dont know any game we haven’t earned. We’ve lost many on bad calls and errors.
On the flipside, I have trouble recalling too many games that we had in hand (i.e. led in the late innings) and then gave away. Most of the frustrating losses have looked like tonight’s game: tight game, looking like a rally was imminent and then failing to execute.
I was going to say that, considering where we are in the standings, I highly doubt we lead any league or division in pathetic losses but then I realized it’s a subjective stat and cannot be quantified with numbers.
Ha. Yeah it just seems this season we never just lose, we lose games like tonight or games where we inexplicably get shut down by a shitty starter.
Its easier to just get whooped once in awhile and just chalk it up to a bad game which happens, but these type of games all season long have been tough to take.
Man I know people say anyone can close, but look at Ryan Madsden since he took over for Lidge. He had close to 20 scoreless innings in a row, now he has blown 2 saves and lost another game when he entered in a tie game in the 9th.
getting tired of hearing that. Were you here on the last day of the season last year to apologize for all your “guys there’s still tomorrow, it’s only one game of 162, so really, it’s meaningless” comments?
I’m going to start keeping better track of it, as in writing it down, but it really doesn’t seem like this Yankees team (or last year’s) can move runners over well at all or get a run in from 3rd with less than 2 outs.
This team must improve it’s situational hitting. I think it’s been a problem for some time now.
“WRONG!! The Yankees only hit .263 in RISP, a .300 AVG with RISP is only 4 more hits every 100 at bats, so therefore, they’re doing just fine hitting with RISP!!”
How is Ellsbury better than Melky? Melky’s only trailing by 5 in OBP and whatever advantage Ellsbury has in base-running, Melky makes up for in power and fielding. Don’t buy the hype around Ellsbury.
RF’s by OPS: Swisher 6th at .886, Drew 8th at .873.
CF’s by OPS: Melky 12th at .793, Ellsbury 16th at .745.
LF’s by OPS: Damon 5th at .873, Bay 3rd at .977.
Seems pretty balanced- considering the Yankee advantage on the left side of the infield, I would say advantage Yankees. But it is ok, facts are not important.
To JACK: You need to chill out and stop being so defensive. We get it you’re DA BEST FAN IN DA WOOOOORLD!!! YOU DON’T BOO PLAYERS!! YOU LIKE TO TREAT THEM LIKE THEY’RE YOUR FAMILY MEMBERS! Guess what? Jeter won’t care if you died tomorrow! HAHAHA!!!
Here’s where the blame lies for tonight’s devastating loss-
AJ Burnett- Didn’t get the job done, period. The starting pitcher is supposed to win ballgames. If the opposing pitcher is throwing up zeros, you match him.
Alex Rodriguez- Another walk late in the ballgame with a man on base? A double gets us out of the DP situation. You can’t blame Jeter for A-Rod’s inability to swing the bat.
Jorge Posada- Cervelli won, Posada lost. Comparing CERA last night and tonight, Cervelli > Posada.
Not at fault-
Joe Girardi- Managerial mastermind.
Derek Jeter- El capitan was out there tonight busting his hump, unlike some overpaid superstar.
Johnny Damon- The gritty, gutty, grinder gave it his all.
i am guilty of blaming girardi for losses that probably are not his fault but doesnt it seem like he is not aggresive enough at times. i really cant see a good reason not to send the runners in the 8th. with arod on first in the 2nd game of the nats series he didnt send him either. bummer, that looked like a game the yanks definitely should have won in the 8th.
DAMN IT YANKEES! LETS STEP THIS SHEET UP!
Well…Tex, Jorge and Cano will just need to fix it in the ninth.
At least there’s Teix in the 9th. That’s promising.
This aint over.
that inning made baby seals cry
game tying home run by tex
Matt Lindstrom kind of sucks. He has no idea where the ball is going. Tex and Posada should be able to work him over…if they make him come to them.
Hellz ja I blame A-Rod and I’s hella cool. I’m so cool, I’m Kool like the smokes.
Do they even sell those any more?
Or Lucky Strikes? I remember seeing references to all those in my Dad’s old Mad Magazines. And Moxie.
Red Stripe > Lucky Stripes
What’s sad is that most of us EXPECTED the DP from Jeter.
isn’t that the saddest part?
yes, yes it is unfortunately
Phil Hughes teh bust~!!!!
damn, he’s definitely been putting up numbers as a reliever.
It’s funny, a lot of Yankee fans want CMW done with the rotation and would rather have Phil Hughes in. And I bet those same people were pissed off we didn’t trade him for teh Johan and had a bad start to the 2008 season.
I want Hughes in the rotation.
+1
Heh should have clarified. The people who don’t have patience and wants Wang DFA’d to put Hughes in are like the same people who says Hughes sucks after a couple bad starts starting in the 2008 season. I’d love Hughes in the rotation but I just want to see if we can get the dominant CMW back.
All Star break is the best thing that can happen to the Yankees right now. They literally suck with RISP and are being dominated by average to slightly average pitching.
Had that inning set up and blew it. Well, win one tomorrow so you can leave with your heads slightly higher than when you came in.
JJ isn’t an average pitcher
Seriously…the guy has filthy stuff and doesn’t walk guys.
Last inning…that pissed me off. What a terrible AB by Jeter.
Uhh Josh Johnson is a pretty damn good pitcher.
Wow. Proof that you’re an utter idiot.
I knew it when I saw he had 69 in his name.
Yes dickhead, I specifically mentioned Johnson. So glad that you and Tank the Skank can read. Please tell me who they have faced starting with the Mets that has been a great pitcher – Santana, Johnson – are the only two. Wait let me guess you will bring up Lannan…. Ewwww that is a good one.
So yes, I am an idiot and you are the next GM of the Yankees, congrats.
No, I am not.
But yes, you are an idiot.
wow good one. So I left out the word Better after slightly, excuse me for not being perfect like you. But then again when your a total ass, perfection has already been achieved.
Isn’t there a glass of drano you should be swallowing by now. Seriously? You an old tired act.
You must know about being an ass, idiot.
Let’s all be civil here. There is no need to bash a fellow commenter.
The late game DP’s are becoming a habit.
nice of you to show up
They’re losing. Of course Lanny shows up.
Lanny’s here, Yanks must be trailing.
Whats to post about if they’re winning by 10?
Not crazy about Hughes as a 1 inning reliever. Think he gets the 9th if the Yankees explode next inning?
I hope so
If by explode you mean score one run to tie, then yes. Anything more than that and Mo’s in.
it’s unorthodox but I wouldn’t mind seeing Hughes go for the save if the situation arose.
Yeah…but it’s not like Mo is tired. If they go ahead, I think there’s NO reason not to bring mo in. If they score just one…leave Hughes in. No question. He’s good for another two innings.
Agree
He would get the win if they come back next inning.
They’re not going to. Lets try to pay attention, they’ve used Hughes for 1 inning 2-3 days before Wang’s last 2 starts to keep him fresh, guess how many days it is til Wang starts? 3, so how many innings will he pitch today? 1
Not a save if you came in before there was a lead.
But I know what you mean, lol.
Mo’s the closer, he is automatic if it’s a save situation.
Not for the stat, but because he’s your best option out of the pen. Anything else would be a bad decision.
By “explode”, I meant 5+ runs. Obviously if they score 2-4, it’s Mariano.
Well, if they explode for 5+, then Hughes will have had to bat, and since he’s due up sixth in the inning, chances are Girardi will need to PH for him to keep the rally moving.
I’m still thinking AL baseball. Good eye.
Wow, pitchers throw harder when they’re in the ‘pen than in the rotation? Brilliant analysis!
BRILLIANT!
NO matter what happens tonight…
Confidence Level = 11
damn phils cutter is moving all over the place
Things I like about Phil Hughes, number 43:
The late swinging strikes on sub-90 mph cutters.
hughes with a cutter = unfair
Teh 8th inning guy!!!!
ATROCIOUS!!!
PHIL HUGHES IS A STARTING PITCHAH!!!
Ha. Someone sponsors Pat Listach’s B-R.
The same guy sponsors Alberto Gonzalez’s page. That is bizarre.
there is no way that all of these pitches are in teh 80s like YES says
Nah, on gameday they had the 4-seamer at 94 and the cutters from 88-90.
I saw one 95.4!
I didnt notice, did Hughes move into Damon’s spot in the lineup and Gardner stayed in the game or not????
Hughes is now the 8th hitter in the lineup
No, Hughes is in the 8-hole.
WTF why???? Yankees only have Pena and Cervelli left to pinch-hit. Makes no sense at all, unless Gardner cant play D and hit yet.
huh? ARod replaces Berroa, Gardner pinch ran for the pitcher’s spot essentially, so when Hughes comes in, Gardner can’t stay in. You either lose ARod or you lose Gardner, you can’t keep both in.
Berroa’s spot
Looks like Hughes is in 8th and ARod is 9th.
Man, if only Tex was good at running too!
Tex/Posada/Cano isn’t bad to start the 9th.
Now, clearly you can’t send Tex, so you PR Pena? Or just hope Jorge doesn’t hit a ground ball?
This team has to remember how to score without hitting home runs.
Shut up, troll.
Classy as always, V. Your the epitome of charm.
Just a curious question: when was the last time you posted a comment in a game thread during which the Yankees won?
Never.
You mean like…the run that they scored earlier?
Or the four yesterday.
That’s good defense.
tex
HIP HIP
And now we have the DP prince (Jeter’s the king)…
Ok JoPo, no DP please!!!
> GIDP.
This team and DPs…
Awful.
spoke too soon.
Alright, Robbie . . . just don’t GIDP again, please.
@(*$&#&^%@&^%!#!!
Ok, now Robbie, NO DP!!!
Wow. Robbie. Robbie. Robbie.
Wow.
How fucking fitting.
Good game to watch – Bad outcome
Couldn’t have ended any more appropriately. Robbie swings at the 1st pitch and its a DP.
dammittttttttttttttttttttttttttt tough loss for burnett.
fucking cano drives me crazy
great just fucking great robbie another clutch hit from mister stat pad
double play machine
Pre-emptive STFU to Lanny.
Wow accurate. Just look two comments below mine.
to be far he kind of has a point this team struggles to score without hr’s
fair my bad
No, he’s just a fucking troll.
6th FUCKIN time he’s put the 1st FUCKIN pitch into play in the last 3 games!
And Cano with his patented 9th inn DP.
This team has serious problems scoring without the long ball. Championship teams know how to score without that.
You mean like…4/5 runs they scored yesterday? The run the scored today?
Is Jeter one of these “guys who doesn’t know how to score without homers”? Because he’s a championship winner, and HE is the one that couldn’t come through with the game on the line.
I’m no statistician, but I think the Yankees have scored a few without the homerun this year.
If you don’t think this team is long ball happy you aren’t watching.
Or did those 2 losses to the Nats not wake you up?
You do know when you face good pitching you don’t hit 4 homers. And some games you need to scratch out runs and get runners over and this team is having some problems.
But keep the head in the sand if it meets you feel better losing.
Get some fucking numbers to back you up, troll.
Because they don’t.
C’mon, man. You can’t really defend the “Yanks only hit homeruns” thesis, can you?
First, let’s stop acting like homeruns are “bad.” They’re the most efficient way to score runs…the runs add up fairly quickly when you hit it over the fence. So, the fact that they hit a lot of homeruns pleases me. But the notion that this team can do nothing else is preposterous.
I’m pissed off at a loss like this, too. But point the finger at not executing at the right moment. Arguing that this team has too much power is like complaining that your car’s gas mileage is too good.
That was Cano’s 10th career 9th inning GIDP. I wouldn’t call that patented.
horrible loss, no other way around it.
how was that a horrible loss?
frustrating loss i would say. give up 2 runs you should win, but johnson threw a gem too
well yankees lose
Is there a cure to DPs?
Man dammit Cano and damn you Damon for giving them that run.
forgot Jeter
Yeah him too. Sorry for cussing out the players but it’s unlucky that we had that happen. Oh whatever we better make it up tomorrow.
Yup…
I’m getting really tired of Cano swinging at the first pitch.
.440 this year on the first pitch, .366 career average
A-Rod hits .365 when he puts the first pitch into play. It doesn’t mean they should swing first pitch all the time, especially against wild guys like Lindstrom.
Didnt say they should swing all the time, if its a pitch you cant do anything with you take it. But lets not act like hes a .200 hitter on the first pitch or 0-50, freakin .440
Yea, me too…6th time in 3 games now! ATROCIOUS!
You really think Cano was going to work the count there?
Ken Singleton is a fucking prophet now?
Terrible baseball those last 2 innings. Jeter hsa to get that bunt down or get a ball in the air. Cano 2 games out of 3 to end a game on a dp.
2 innings? the yankees have been playing this kind of frustrating, mediocre baseball for a few weeks. i have to say though, we have been playing .500 ball and that’s all we need to do before we go on a good run again.
Yankees lead the league in pathetic losses. Not pathetic that they couldnt hit JJ, but that 2nd run they gave up was unearned because Damon missed a routine flyball and the last 2 innings was typical of this offense the past 2 weeks.
Yea, it does seem we find many ways to lose games
But for every pathetic loss I’ll raise you a ridiculously awesome win. This year is a helluva lot more interesting than last.
True.
So basically everything equals out and our record is our record?
pretty much
+1
the yankees lost games they should’ve won and won games they should’ve lost. karmas a bitch.
I think we’ve lost more games that we should’ve won. Besides the Castillo games, I dont know any game we haven’t earned. We’ve lost many on bad calls and errors.
On the flipside, I have trouble recalling too many games that we had in hand (i.e. led in the late innings) and then gave away. Most of the frustrating losses have looked like tonight’s game: tight game, looking like a rally was imminent and then failing to execute.
I was going to say that, considering where we are in the standings, I highly doubt we lead any league or division in pathetic losses but then I realized it’s a subjective stat and cannot be quantified with numbers.
You win this time!
Ha. Yeah it just seems this season we never just lose, we lose games like tonight or games where we inexplicably get shut down by a shitty starter.
Its easier to just get whooped once in awhile and just chalk it up to a bad game which happens, but these type of games all season long have been tough to take.
Jeter in the 8th had to move those runners to 2 and third im getting preety tired of jeter doin dat the last couple of years.
well, he does drive in a lot but he does GIDP a lot too…take the good with the bad.
Yea but thats Captain cluth he needs to drive in those runs.
He’s still a really good hitter,but his bat has apparently slowed somewhat…I still would want him over any other shortstop in the league!
i would to but the problem is that he has to move the runners over for damon u only would of need a sac fly to score the run.
Man I know people say anyone can close, but look at Ryan Madsden since he took over for Lidge. He had close to 20 scoreless innings in a row, now he has blown 2 saves and lost another game when he entered in a tie game in the 9th.
HR to greg zaun tonight too, i think phillies are below .500 at home too thats pretty bad
They’re Way below .500 at 13-21
Damon hasn’t been playing very well in the field or at the plate.
Silver Lining: Posada is not the reason for our pitching troubles!
another silver lining – tomorrow is a new day
getting tired of hearing that. Were you here on the last day of the season last year to apologize for all your “guys there’s still tomorrow, it’s only one game of 162, so really, it’s meaningless” comments?
Death by double play.
Why is this team so extremely inept?
Hey, they are still in good playoff contention.
They added AJ Burnett, CC Sabathia and Mark Teixeira in the offseason. I think every Yankees fan should expect to win the division.
A: They’re not.
I’m going to start keeping better track of it, as in writing it down, but it really doesn’t seem like this Yankees team (or last year’s) can move runners over well at all or get a run in from 3rd with less than 2 outs.
This team must improve it’s situational hitting. I think it’s been a problem for some time now.
“WRONG!! The Yankees only hit .263 in RISP, a .300 AVG with RISP is only 4 more hits every 100 at bats, so therefore, they’re doing just fine hitting with RISP!!”
/mikeaxisa
2009 Yankees w/RISP: .263 .361 .444
2009 league average w/RISP: .265 .356 .415
The Yankees are above the league average with runners in scoring position. They’re doing just fine with RISP.
yeah, because average wins championships.
Well, they are in the top 3 in BA/OBP/SLG/OPS/R/HR overall so they are a better than average offensive team.
The Rays won the AL last year while placing dead last with RISP.
Let’s kill the bastards!!
Is it just me or does NOTHING in my post mention anything about RISP?
I question their ability to move runners… situational hitting. Getting a runner in from 3rd does not seem to be this team’s forte.
Another groundballer in Chris Volstad tomorrow. Ugh.
Time for cashman to make a deal for a bat. Damon, Melky, Swisher is an atrocious outfield.
/facepalm
zmach and melancon for holliday
Now I know you’re just joking.
http://www.quotedb.com/quotes/3834
Johnny Damon: .283/.353/.528
League avg. LF: .269/.344/.440
Adv: Damon
Melky Cabrera: .287/.346/.447
League avg. CF: .260/.327/.402
Adv: Cabrera
Nick Swisher: .243/.381/.505
League avg. RF: .276/.355/.454
Adv: Swisher
show me the redsox outfield compared to league average.
Adv: redsox
What in the hell do the Red Sox have to do with this conversation?
Who gives a fuck about the Red Sox?
chill out. stop using the f word.
Stop using red herrings.
Johnny Damon: .283/.353/.528
Bay: .279-.395-.582
Melky Cabrera: .287/.346/.447
Ellsbury: .302-.351-.385
Nick Swisher: .243/.381/.505
Drew: .258-.388-.490
Yanks take 2 of 3. And what do the Sox have to do with anything anyway?
WRONG. redsox take 2 out of 3. you really think melky is better than ellsbury?
ellsbury > melky
bay > damon (by far)
drew = swisher
How is Ellsbury better than Melky? Melky’s only trailing by 5 in OBP and whatever advantage Ellsbury has in base-running, Melky makes up for in power and fielding. Don’t buy the hype around Ellsbury.
OH MY GOD WHAT A HOMER YOU ARE! HAHAHA THANKS FOR THE LAUGH. THANKS MAN I NEEDED THAT AFTER THIS LOSS!
So basically, the hype is more important than the numbers? Because Ellsbury is all hype. Have you noticed that they dropped him to 8th and 9th?
Melky has a 10.0 UZR/150 in CF this season. Jacoby Ellsbury has a -1.4.
Melky has a .447 SLG. Jacoby has a .390.
These are facts, not opinions. I’ll take Melky’s power advantage and 11 run fielding advantage over Jacoby’s speed.
you really think melky is better than ellsbury?
Yes. Look at the comment you are responding to.
RF’s by OPS: Swisher 6th at .886, Drew 8th at .873.
CF’s by OPS: Melky 12th at .793, Ellsbury 16th at .745.
LF’s by OPS: Damon 5th at .873, Bay 3rd at .977.
Seems pretty balanced- considering the Yankee advantage on the left side of the infield, I would say advantage Yankees. But it is ok, facts are not important.
And for what it’s worth, Damon’s glove probably picks up about half the difference between his bat and Bay’s.
Bay’s still the better LF, but it’s closer than the offensive numbers would indicate.
Wow, I’m really shocked about those CF numbers, apparently the Melk Man is bordering on an all star nomination (jk)
.327/.400/.571 will do that for you.
Meanwhile, the Nats just won their fourth straight game.
Making a playoff run.
Impossible! They’re the worst team in history!
So either the Jays should just close up shop, because losing to the Nats ends the year, OR they brush it off because these things happen.
They’re going to miss the AL East once interleague play is done, that’s for sure.
Is it true Walman and Sterling are signed through 2011. God help us.
To JACK: You need to chill out and stop being so defensive. We get it you’re DA BEST FAN IN DA WOOOOORLD!!! YOU DON’T BOO PLAYERS!! YOU LIKE TO TREAT THEM LIKE THEY’RE YOUR FAMILY MEMBERS! Guess what? Jeter won’t care if you died tomorrow! HAHAHA!!!
Jeter won’t care if you died tomorrow!
There is just some awful grammar on display here; you hate to see a rookie mistake like that but it’s bound to happen.
lol
guys, i didn’t really mean anything i said above. i just like to come here after a loss and work you guys up. i’m sorry…
Go to lohud for that, man.
Here’s where the blame lies for tonight’s devastating loss-
AJ Burnett- Didn’t get the job done, period. The starting pitcher is supposed to win ballgames. If the opposing pitcher is throwing up zeros, you match him.
Alex Rodriguez- Another walk late in the ballgame with a man on base? A double gets us out of the DP situation. You can’t blame Jeter for A-Rod’s inability to swing the bat.
Jorge Posada- Cervelli won, Posada lost. Comparing CERA last night and tonight, Cervelli > Posada.
Not at fault-
Joe Girardi- Managerial mastermind.
Derek Jeter- El capitan was out there tonight busting his hump, unlike some overpaid superstar.
Johnny Damon- The gritty, gutty, grinder gave it his all.
Well done, although some capitalized words would have been nice.
VERY well done. So well done I didn’t notice until half way through -_-
I’d assume you’re joking.
i am guilty of blaming girardi for losses that probably are not his fault but doesnt it seem like he is not aggresive enough at times. i really cant see a good reason not to send the runners in the 8th. with arod on first in the 2nd game of the nats series he didnt send him either. bummer, that looked like a game the yanks definitely should have won in the 8th.
gotta hope arod comes back and carries this offense for a while. they need it.