DID YOU SEE JETER PASS THE BATON INSTEAD OF DRIVING THOSE RUNS IN? HE OUGHT TO BE BENCHED AND SWISH SHOULD HAVE BUNTED WITH THERE WITH THE BASES LOADED!!!!! SMALL BALL IS THE WAY TO GO WITH THE HIGHEST OPS IN THE LEAGUE AND MEDIOCRE PITCHING, YES SIR! GIRARDI IS A MANAGERIAL MASTERMIND.
Also, it’s the NL, where every play should be a sacrifice squeeze. After you’ve successfully double-switched. But AL managers are stupid and wouldn’t know anything about that.
dang people chill out…you all sound like you should be on yankee suicide watch…
yanks are currently 4th in the AL in BA and 2nd in the AL in runs scored
their pitching staff is currently 11th in the AL with 1 4.65 era…
however over the last 30 days the team is 5th in the AL with a 3.77 era…
bruney is back which is a tremendous help in the 8th inning and marte is on his way back
don’t forget we do currently lead the wildcard and have the 2nd best record in the AL
you people are turning into the idiots that run around on the yankees forum…heck half you probably are those idiots…you see the game and you see the problems, but good baseball players fail 7 times out of 10…
o yea and hanson’s at 73 pitches so that’ll probably mean 4 innings from a sub par braves bullpen…
HALF…LOL if they did that they would have the greatest offense of all time by far and away about a .010 increase in their BA would be all i would be asking for that would be a lot more runs
Right because every non-Wang pitcher has a 0.00 ERA.
And I bet you’re one of those people who thought Hughes was a bust in 2008 and was pissed we didn’t get teh Johan.
Ok, I understand the team part, but each time there is a man on base and that runner is not advanced via hit(walks don’t count) each it counts as a LOB on the personal level.
Question
What is the rule regarding left on base? How can a team have a total LOB greater than the number of baserunners they had during the game? For example in tonight’s opening day game between the A’s and Yanks, Oakland only had 8 hits and 0 walks, but still had a total of 14 LOB? How is this possible?
Here’s how it works…
Joe comes up with one out and two people on. He strikes out, leaving two people on base. Then Bill comes up with the same two people on base. He hits a weak fly ball ending the inning – again leaving two guys on base.
So, the players just left four people on base in an inning, even though only two people got on!
Typically, for the team stat, they only count the people on base at the end of the inning, but for individuals, they count everyone. Since this isn’t an official stat, different people add it in different ways.
The problem with doing it individually is you can only score as many runs as runner you put on base. So if Bill K’s with two runners on then Joe K’ed with to runners on, that’s 4 LOB individually, but in reality it’s only two runs sitting their on the bases. they’re being docked for runs that don’t exist.
Eric says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 8:22 pm
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Why bunt Wang there? Why not have Gardner steal and then give Wang a chance to put the ball in play.
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tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 8:25 pm
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You cannot be serious.
Why the hell would he not be serious?? I don’t get that at all, can you tell me why that wouldn’t have been a good idea? What tsjc said here makes no sense at all
Unlikely that gardner would get thrown out the way he runs, and your second point is just dumb. The same thing could happen on any groundout with a runner on third & less than 2 outs. You can’t expect melky to get thrown out at the plate and use that as a reason to not have gardner steal there.
A grounder that WOULDN’T HAVE SCORED THE RUN FROM THIRD BASE, BECAUSE IT WAS SO WEAK THE FIELDER WOULD HAVE GONE HOME WITH THE PITCH.
Wang swinging has a tiny, tiny chance of scoring a run and a large chance of him ending up on first base, which would mean runners on first and third, the exact same situation he was bunting in, except with an extra out and Gardner at first replaced with Wang at first.
It’s risk aversion. No manager would have eschewed the bunt there, none of them. Because the overwhelming preponderance of outcomes are moot or bad. Better to just move the runner over and get your pitcher back in the safety of the dugout.
He swung weakly. Because there was no benefit to him bunting.
In a situation where there is a benefit to him bunting, no matter how small, he’s going to bunt, because his manager rightly wants to get him out of the batters box as soon as possible.
Seriously, you’re asking for the moon if you want a major league manager to ask CMW to try intentionally to hit the ball hard enough to drive in a run, and it’s moot there, because if he was swinging away, Cox would draw the infield in and come home with the pitch. And then we’d have Wang on the bases at first, which we don’t want.
Not to diss my boy Phil, but, he’s not exactly pitching to a 3 era. People act like he’s a shut down starter. He’s young, he’ll have his ups and downs.
Wang right>>>>>>>>>Anything we’ve seen from Hughes.
Hughes will start soon enough.
Does anyone (Girardi, Hitting Coach, other teammates) tell these guys NOT TO SWING at the FIRST PITCH? I feel there’s a lack of communication going on… do these players look at the 3rd base coach for signals at the plate like in little league games?
There is nothing implicitly wrong with swinging at the first pitch, provided it’s a good pitch to hit. Problem is, you can’t ex post facto judge whether the pitch was good to hit or not based on the outcome, which is what people usually do, because a successful outcome in baseball is almost *always* the less-frequently occurring outcome.
Gotta love Jeff Francoeur. At least Hanson doesn’t appear to be long for this game — if they have good at bats, he might not finished the 5th. He’s almost certainly not getting through the 6th unless the Yankees give it to him.
wang looks great. Even though the defense seems to collapse when he pitches, he is showing poise and confidence on the mound, just keeping the ball down. He has thrown a zillion strikes, so it will help him in the long run. It looks like he’s on his way to getting back.
Nothing apparently is ever good enough.
If the Yankees scored a fourth of the runners they put on base, they’d be winning. That’s not hard to ask with our lineup. Everyone would say Wang had a decent start if the offense managed to score runs.
I’m really not enjoying watching Hanson work. The breaking balls are pretty nasty, but I don’t like how he short-arms the ball in his delivery. Looks ugly.
Honestly, I think Wang has pitched a good game so far. Sometimes you gotta tip your cap to the opposing hitter. McCann and Anderson hit two good pitches. I haven’t seen Wang miss badly, as he had in some previous starts. His pitch count is down, his pitches are down, the slider looks better than I’ve seen in awhile, and he’s even mixed in a change in there. The velocity looks good. It’s not an easy lineup for Wang either – those lefties from 3-6 make it tough.
I’m not trying to sugarcoating it. Wang, as calm as he is, still seems to lose a bit of focus/confidence when a runner gets on. He still needs to improve that slider, because when his sinker is only good, and not great, he’ll struggle without that 2nd pitch.
I think he’s on his way back … but let’s see how the rest of the game goes. I think, if the Yankee bats can get going, that Wang may be able to stick through 6 or 7, which would be a nice thing for the Yankees staff.
I don’t know about focus and confidence, but even Good Wang is markedly worse with runners on. I think you can trace it to the fact that he has a very deceptive windup that isn’t as effective from the stretch, since he can’t do the long pause.
Just wanted to say I don’t disagree with anything there on the delivery issues overall. I agree that he is so used to his normal windup that when he is out of the stretch, things are off. For me, that’s partly a focus issue, but it’s arguable.
OKAY, i just bought mlb tv, the monthly one, but its telling me some crap about blackout restrictions is there anyway to get around this? because this would defeat the entire purpose of me spending money on this; to watch yankees games. can anyone help
If you live within the viewing area, you aren’t going to be able to watch the game. I don’t think there’s any way around it, unless you get it from some other site.
Is it possible to strike out on the same pitch 3 consecutive times? Does he not remember he struck out on a curveball the last two times up… and that he’s proooooobably going to throw you one there.
i don’t care how “good” he looked tonight, he gave up 3 runs and counting in not even 5 innings yet. Hughes starting gives us a much better chance at winning
And again if the offense pulled through people would STFU about Wang already.
Apparently when it comes to CMW people would rather have a sucky one to a good one. That is truly mind boggling.
Really? 5 innings and 3 runs from Wang and you are saying Hughes gives a better chance to win? I mean, Hughes has only gone more than 5 twice this year.
Look, I like Hughes, but he’s still inconsistent. It’s likely to be that way for the whole year. The Yankees need to see if Wang can gain his form because they need to find a guy to consistently eat innings.
I am what everyone calls “double jointed”, my parents never allowed me to contend in school sports (sucks).
Started to play with a few college buddies a few years back and I’ve been pitching on my friend’s rec-team.
And yes I can pitch, albeit I’m not that good… but it gets by against these rec-leaguers. Although I’m off the team this current summer due to a series of injuries to my right leg/ankle.
God this team FUCKING SUCKS. It’s impossible to deny at this point. And now all the crazy “optimists” tell me that i’m not a real yankee fan, but trust me, I am. That’s why its so hard to watch.
Then you really haven’t seen “OMFG THEY SUCK” when you see how bad they were. Unless of course they get 95 losses this season. And really the Yankees are always better after the All star break so we’re not out.
i know their better after the AS break, but the problem is we have been losing to some bad, bad teams and have had lots of scoring opportunities and capitalized on very few. We’ll be down 5 games if we lose tonight, and i’m sure the schedule will get tougher soon
5 gamers is a lot but last year they were on an 8 game winning streak after the ASB and with a rotation like that we should be red hot this year. There will be plenty of opportunities against the Red Sox and maybe we can get vengeance and sweep all of our remaining games with them.
I’ve been coming to this blog for a couple of years now but I can’t take the game threads anymore. Luckily these people that have nothing to add except how much everything/everyone sucks don’t come around in non-game threads.
I’ve been stayin’ away also, LiveFromNY. Feel the same way, not to mention when I’m not on them I don’t miss so much of the game!
Haha, but i do enjoy these threads when I’m on them. All the snarky remarks and info shared. But ya, the trolls, irrational fans, and Matt ACTY correcting my grammar is brutal.
But all the shenanigans and tomfoolery make for a plus.
I don’t understand this call – have Wang sacrifice and save Matsui for a higher leverage situation later. They need to work Wang longer – he pitched a good outing, but still. That said, looks like Wang’s safe for another start.
probably. At this point, with the way they are hitting, not sure it will make much of a difference offensively. From a defensive perspective, gives Hughes more innings.
But somehow, this is how baseball “should” be played. Yep, let’s have someone who has no business hitting stand in there with a bat as a free out. Ugh. I hate the NL.
i don’t agree with the move, but trying to make a reasoning for Eiland/Girardi –
It’s a muggy day down there, Wang has pitched well through 5. Anderson and Kotchman both have seen Wang more than the other Braves, and their lefty bats/hitting style perhaps made Girardi worried that Wang would struggle?
As its been said many times in this thread already, National League baseball is terrible. Wang is pitching well, 62 pitches through 5 and he’s taken out for a pinch hitter. I hate it.
Eh, do you really want Wang running the bases if he makes contact? I realize its early to pull him, but your bullpen is rested and why risk Wang batting.
It has nothing to do with the pitcher, he’s trying to put runs on the board which they’ve had a hard time doing lately. Is it a bit early and slight panicky? Yes, but it’s in no way an indictment of Wang’s performance.
this is the exact reason why our bullpen has been so bad at times. Does joe girardi not understand what bullpen roles are? He has no fucking idea. He claims hughes is his high leverage guy and he’s warming up for the 6th? How can a bullpen be successful when no one has a fucking CLUE when they will be called in to pitch?
Aceves rangers from 2nd inning to 8th inning
Hughes is supposed to be a 7th-8th inning guy, and he basically only pitches on Wang days, and only like 2 innings at that.
great job by the yankees to get the kid out early. Moylan is good, so lets hope we can get to him. I can’t remember if Moylan is their submariner, but i saw him a few games ago on mlb.tv. Let’s hope we can get to him.
Right now it’s all about winning games. The Yankees needed a PH there with the way the offense is going. A big reason they have Hughes in the pen is b/c he was stretched out enough that he could be a backup should Wang shit the bed again. I also think Girardi wants to again get Hughes stretched out and pitch 2 innings… which he has yet to do.
I’m really not liking hughes the reliever even though he’s been lights out. the guy is a starter and needs to build his innings up. Either trust wang and send hughes to scranton or replace wanger with hughes in the rotation, but this hughes bullpen bull shit has gotta end soon
He’ll likely be in the rotation after Joba get’s shut down. They’re possibly shutting down Hughes now to use his innings after Joba gets shut down. Saves innings for later I suppose if he’s in the pen. But yeah he won’t be in the bullpen forever.
I don’t disagree, I think Hughes should be at AAA. That said, I think they’ll keep it this way for the forseeable future. Wang looked good today, and with the rotation not exactly crisp, and the pen needing depth, I think Girardi sticks with this. If the rotation gets on a roll, who knows, maybe they change their mind.
Baseball is a game that requires patience and perspective. If you don’t have those things, you should do yourself a favor and find a new sport to enjoy, because baseball will chew up your heart and shit on your ego if you lack patience and perspective.
“Easy when you just sit on a fastball” Dela G’s explanation was reasonable, but its just retarded when you say it’s “easy” to hit a 103 mph fastball. I would love to see you do it.
just because you throw 100+ doesn’t make you unhittable. He throws a flat fastball, which is why people can hit him. Randy Johnson and nolan ryan threw 100+ with a shitload of movement, which is why no one could hit them
But remember, everyone…… there’s nothing wrong with any of this. It’s just baseball. Tomorrow’s another day. Next inning is another inning. Next at bat is another at bat. The next pitch is all we need to think about. There are ups and downs. Shit happens. It’s no one’s fault. These guys are trying. Cut them some slack. There’ll be days (even weeks…. months?) like this. Don’t panic. We’re really, really… REALLY!… a good team. You’ll see.
We’ll all see.
It’s just baseball. It’s just baseball. It’s just baseball……
how long can we keep saying theres always tomorrow?
We’re getting embarrassed by these weak NL teams. Not to mention our 0-8 against boston, losing record to philly, and probably tampa(not sure about this one)
“His curveball has more snap to it” Come on Kay even for you that’s a bit of a reach. Oh yeah did anyone else hear Fatcessa say today that Nolan Ryan wasn’t a great pitcher?
Gameday has multiple 96s from Hughes against Kotchman. (Well, 95.6 and 95.8. Whatever. Remember when people were afraid he’d never break 90?)
Still not totally crazy about yanking Wang early. Yeah, they need offense, but they have to get Wang right, and another inning or two could go a long way towards that end. 62 pitches is nothing.
If we only scored 1/4th of the runners on base!!! It’s aggravating.
Yes it is.
You know what it’s not? Indicative of any type of failure of strategy or ability.
It’s just aggravating. It doesn’t mean there’s something wrong with our team. Shit happens.
Nobody, even the Yankees, will never win with A-Rod. He is too into himself to be a part of a winner and the rest of the team can’t carry him.
hes gonna be around a while, get used to it bud
The offense’s lack of ability to drive runners in is mind boggling.
Why is this team so damn piss-poor with R.I.S.P. day after day?????????
Probabilities.
Vagary.
Ennui.
The yanks really should smacking Hanson around by now.
All Hanson really wants is a Wang with hard stuff, balls on the ground. But he hasn’t gotten that yet.
The Yanks’ goal is to leave 20 runners on base tonight, right?
DID YOU SEE JETER PASS THE BATON INSTEAD OF DRIVING THOSE RUNS IN? HE OUGHT TO BE BENCHED AND SWISH SHOULD HAVE BUNTED WITH THERE WITH THE BASES LOADED!!!!! SMALL BALL IS THE WAY TO GO WITH THE HIGHEST OPS IN THE LEAGUE AND MEDIOCRE PITCHING, YES SIR! GIRARDI IS A MANAGERIAL MASTERMIND.
Also, it’s the NL, where every play should be a sacrifice squeeze. After you’ve successfully double-switched. But AL managers are stupid and wouldn’t know anything about that.
Easy with the caps lock
Ban? all caps…Ban?
Your satire is impeccable. Bonus points for the all-caps and the multiple exclamation points.
who woke you up…Cash, Girardi, and A-rod aren’t gone yet
dang people chill out…you all sound like you should be on yankee suicide watch…
yanks are currently 4th in the AL in BA and 2nd in the AL in runs scored
their pitching staff is currently 11th in the AL with 1 4.65 era…
however over the last 30 days the team is 5th in the AL with a 3.77 era…
bruney is back which is a tremendous help in the 8th inning and marte is on his way back
don’t forget we do currently lead the wildcard and have the 2nd best record in the AL
you people are turning into the idiots that run around on the yankees forum…heck half you probably are those idiots…you see the game and you see the problems, but good baseball players fail 7 times out of 10…
o yea and hanson’s at 73 pitches so that’ll probably mean 4 innings from a sub par braves bullpen…
but it would be appreciative if the Yankees drove in half the base runners they left on base.
HALF…LOL if they did that they would have the greatest offense of all time by far and away about a .010 increase in their BA would be all i would be asking for that would be a lot more runs
Don’t forget that CMW sucks and if Hughes was in this position, the game would probably be scoreless.
And that if ARod wasn’t in the lineup, we’d have 7 runs already, because he’s the problem with the offense.
Right because every non-Wang pitcher has a 0.00 ERA.
And I bet you’re one of those people who thought Hughes was a bust in 2008 and was pissed we didn’t get teh Johan.
He wasn’t being serious.
Much love for Kelly Johnson’s walk up music.
For Mike Axisa and tommyjohn
Ok, I understand the team part, but each time there is a man on base and that runner is not advanced via hit(walks don’t count) each it counts as a LOB on the personal level.
Question
What is the rule regarding left on base? How can a team have a total LOB greater than the number of baserunners they had during the game? For example in tonight’s opening day game between the A’s and Yanks, Oakland only had 8 hits and 0 walks, but still had a total of 14 LOB? How is this possible?
Here’s how it works…
Joe comes up with one out and two people on. He strikes out, leaving two people on base. Then Bill comes up with the same two people on base. He hits a weak fly ball ending the inning – again leaving two guys on base.
So, the players just left four people on base in an inning, even though only two people got on!
Typically, for the team stat, they only count the people on base at the end of the inning, but for individuals, they count everyone. Since this isn’t an official stat, different people add it in different ways.
Hope this helps!
For Mike Axisa and tommyjohn
My name is not tommyjohn or tommy.
T-O-M-M-I-E.
more like c-o-m-m-i-e
The problem with doing it individually is you can only score as many runs as runner you put on base. So if Bill K’s with two runners on then Joe K’ed with to runners on, that’s 4 LOB individually, but in reality it’s only two runs sitting their on the bases. they’re being docked for runs that don’t exist.
There’s a difference between individual LOB and team LOB.
Team LOB is now 8. At the time of the convo, it was 5.
Eric says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 8:22 pm
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Why bunt Wang there? Why not have Gardner steal and then give Wang a chance to put the ball in play.
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tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 8:25 pm
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You cannot be serious.
Why the hell would he not be serious?? I don’t get that at all, can you tell me why that wouldn’t have been a good idea? What tsjc said here makes no sense at all
1. Gardner can get thrown out. You advance 0 runners, and you still have Wang at the plate, 2 outs.
2. Gardner can successfully steal, and Chien-Ming Wang can ground out, but Melky can get thrown out at the plate. He’s not exactly swift.
Unlikely that gardner would get thrown out the way he runs, and your second point is just dumb. The same thing could happen on any groundout with a runner on third & less than 2 outs. You can’t expect melky to get thrown out at the plate and use that as a reason to not have gardner steal there.
You cannot be serious in that you cannot expect Wang to hit a groundball.
He’s an AL pitcher. A struggling AL pitcher. He’s up there to either bunt or strike out.
He’s not going to swing away. He’s not going to try to hit a grounder.
Can you kindly tell me what Wang did in his first at bat???????
You know what, I’ll tell you. HE GROUNDED OUT! HE SWUNG THE BAT AND HE HIT A GROUNDER?
A grounder that WOULDN’T HAVE SCORED THE RUN FROM THIRD BASE, BECAUSE IT WAS SO WEAK THE FIELDER WOULD HAVE GONE HOME WITH THE PITCH.
Wang swinging has a tiny, tiny chance of scoring a run and a large chance of him ending up on first base, which would mean runners on first and third, the exact same situation he was bunting in, except with an extra out and Gardner at first replaced with Wang at first.
It’s risk aversion. No manager would have eschewed the bunt there, none of them. Because the overwhelming preponderance of outcomes are moot or bad. Better to just move the runner over and get your pitcher back in the safety of the dugout.
You think you’re onto some profound error in Girardi’s reasoning, but you’re not. You’re onto nothing.
I am onto something, cause gardner stealing and wang swinging would have given us a better chance at scoring.
He swung weakly. Because there was no benefit to him bunting.
In a situation where there is a benefit to him bunting, no matter how small, he’s going to bunt, because his manager rightly wants to get him out of the batters box as soon as possible.
Seriously, you’re asking for the moon if you want a major league manager to ask CMW to try intentionally to hit the ball hard enough to drive in a run, and it’s moot there, because if he was swinging away, Cox would draw the infield in and come home with the pitch. And then we’d have Wang on the bases at first, which we don’t want.
It’s moot.
+1000000000
the RISP dives again.
“bats are afraid”
Ugh this Wang experiment needs to stop.
Unbelievable.
I didn’t realize it was an experiment
Dont “Unbelievable” me
I understand why its important to try and give Wang a chance to come back but we have a perfectly capable starter in Hughes that can fill in.
Not to diss my boy Phil, but, he’s not exactly pitching to a 3 era. People act like he’s a shut down starter. He’s young, he’ll have his ups and downs.
Wang right>>>>>>>>>Anything we’ve seen from Hughes.
Hughes will start soon enough.
Fixing Wang is one of the single most important things right now. More important than having Hughes in the rotation, frankly.
Lol why cause you say so?
Because Joba’s impending innings cap means that we’ll probably need Wang to start games in the playoffs.
Long term planning, my friend.
Un-fucking-believable.
Does anyone (Girardi, Hitting Coach, other teammates) tell these guys NOT TO SWING at the FIRST PITCH? I feel there’s a lack of communication going on… do these players look at the 3rd base coach for signals at the plate like in little league games?
They say it all the time. “Hey Swish, Don’t swing at a pitch you think you can hit.”
Why would they do that?
There is nothing implicitly wrong with swinging at the first pitch, provided it’s a good pitch to hit. Problem is, you can’t ex post facto judge whether the pitch was good to hit or not based on the outcome, which is what people usually do, because a successful outcome in baseball is almost *always* the less-frequently occurring outcome.
Gotta love Jeff Francoeur. At least Hanson doesn’t appear to be long for this game — if they have good at bats, he might not finished the 5th. He’s almost certainly not getting through the 6th unless the Yankees give it to him.
Oddly enough we are hitting .264 with RISP on the year.
And that number has to have taken a dive over the last two weeks.
That 15-0 Mets game probably helped out a lot.
let’s go YANKEES!
You’re back on the 40 man.
Alot of those pitches were up in that inning but seemed to have better movement.
wang looks great. Even though the defense seems to collapse when he pitches, he is showing poise and confidence on the mound, just keeping the ball down. He has thrown a zillion strikes, so it will help him in the long run. It looks like he’s on his way to getting back.
I agree. Some of the hits he surrendered was just good hitting by the Braves. The capatalized on their opportunities and the Yankees have not.
I think Wang looks a lot better than his last start.
I do as well.
Meh not good enough
Nothing apparently is ever good enough.
If the Yankees scored a fourth of the runners they put on base, they’d be winning. That’s not hard to ask with our lineup. Everyone would say Wang had a decent start if the offense managed to score runs.
No they wouldn’t/shouldn’t because hes never made past the 5th inning.
Wang gave up runs11111!!!!1 He’s a terrible pitcher. He should be DFA’d.
time to score some runs
It’s been a full season and a half of not hitting wth RISP
Overall scoring stats are a bit misleading because the Yankees are prone to pile on from time to time (Santana game)
This may be a slump, but it’s not far off from what this team is
These guys hit like players on a beer league softball game
Swinging for the fences no matter what the situation
When they are not hitting home runs, they rarely win
The only way they “snap out of it” is when they start hitting home runs
Hey, chief, lots of teams don’t win when they don’t hit homers.
yanks are 7th in the majors in runs scored with risp and 15th in the majors for batting avg with risp
not great not bad…but average…obviously there’s some loopholes in the stats as it doesn’t account for situational hitting
I have a bad feeling about this inning with Arod, Cano and Posada up…
I predict we will have the lead in this game!!!!!!!!
Michael Kay just took a verbal shit on the Colorado school system.
haha it was quite funny
WTF did Arod just swing at.
That first swing from Alex made me die a little inside.
Agreed. Eesh.
That swing brought it back. He put a good swing on a pitch on the outer half and drove it nice. Pretty good range by Franco there.
I’m really not enjoying watching Hanson work. The breaking balls are pretty nasty, but I don’t like how he short-arms the ball in his delivery. Looks ugly.
I hope this is as bad as it gets for A-Rod.
I think it is. He can only go up from here.
How in fuck was that strike one to Alex?????
strike 2 i mean…We didn’t get that call
Honestly, I think Wang has pitched a good game so far. Sometimes you gotta tip your cap to the opposing hitter. McCann and Anderson hit two good pitches. I haven’t seen Wang miss badly, as he had in some previous starts. His pitch count is down, his pitches are down, the slider looks better than I’ve seen in awhile, and he’s even mixed in a change in there. The velocity looks good. It’s not an easy lineup for Wang either – those lefties from 3-6 make it tough.
I’m not trying to sugarcoating it. Wang, as calm as he is, still seems to lose a bit of focus/confidence when a runner gets on. He still needs to improve that slider, because when his sinker is only good, and not great, he’ll struggle without that 2nd pitch.
I think he’s on his way back … but let’s see how the rest of the game goes. I think, if the Yankee bats can get going, that Wang may be able to stick through 6 or 7, which would be a nice thing for the Yankees staff.
McCann and Anderson hit two good pitches.
Yep, McCann especially.
I don’t know about focus and confidence, but even Good Wang is markedly worse with runners on. I think you can trace it to the fact that he has a very deceptive windup that isn’t as effective from the stretch, since he can’t do the long pause.
Just wanted to say I don’t disagree with anything there on the delivery issues overall. I agree that he is so used to his normal windup that when he is out of the stretch, things are off. For me, that’s partly a focus issue, but it’s arguable.
Which team is the worst statistically with RISP in all of MLB?
No idea. But the Rays were last year and they went to the WS.
Not the Yankees.
Diamondbacks, Mariners & Cubs are the worst. All under bat under .230
Yanks are about dead on average at .264
http://www.google.com
I’m pretty sure google’s a little better than average, come on.
http://www.instantrimshot.com
this is worst a-rod has ever looked, he is an automatic out
Uhh ever recall that slump he had in 2006? He still managed to pull through and put up decent numbers in the end.
Remember when Jeter went 0 for April? I’m pretty sure he didn’t get booed off the plate every time he made an out then, though.
I’m just watching the minors as of right now.
Chance are, that’s a homer in the Bronx.
Hanson’s first quality start is gonna come off us. Wonderful.
I doubt he makes it through 6.
same here
lol uh, one more inning?
OKAY, i just bought mlb tv, the monthly one, but its telling me some crap about blackout restrictions is there anyway to get around this? because this would defeat the entire purpose of me spending money on this; to watch yankees games. can anyone help
If you live within the viewing area, you aren’t going to be able to watch the game. I don’t think there’s any way around it, unless you get it from some other site.
you cannot watch yankees games if you live in the local areas they are playing on tv.
so you cannot watch them if you live in NY, some of NJ, and in the ATL(tonight at least)
You can go through proxy servers, but it is very inconsistent. Probably out of luck.
This dude is getting strike calls in the fricken batters box.
Hanson owns Posada.
Tommy Hanson’s curveball has mind control over Jorge.
+1.
Well, the bright side is that they only left 1 runner on base that inning.
lol
Jorge=Ugly today
This team is just awful right now offensively. Posada looks like he is channeling ARod.
Is it possible to strike out on the same pitch 3 consecutive times? Does he not remember he struck out on a curveball the last two times up… and that he’s proooooobably going to throw you one there.
tough day for jorge
7 straight games against sub .500 teams and were gonna be 2-5, embarrising
Yeah
My day is complete. Bread, Water, and Jesus with an RBI single.
62 pitches in 5. Vintage Wang!
All thanks to J.J. ‘Putz’ Wang in the cradle.
Uh, strike that from the record.
How many losses before we stop sending Wang out? 10?
seriously?
i don’t care how “good” he looked tonight, he gave up 3 runs and counting in not even 5 innings yet. Hughes starting gives us a much better chance at winning
And again if the offense pulled through people would STFU about Wang already.
Apparently when it comes to CMW people would rather have a sucky one to a good one. That is truly mind boggling.
Really? 5 innings and 3 runs from Wang and you are saying Hughes gives a better chance to win? I mean, Hughes has only gone more than 5 twice this year.
Look, I like Hughes, but he’s still inconsistent. It’s likely to be that way for the whole year. The Yankees need to see if Wang can gain his form because they need to find a guy to consistently eat innings.
Hughes starting gives us a much better chance at winning
He does.
Fixing Wang gives us a better chance of winning in October, though.
REGARDLESS of how this game plays out, I bet all the so called Yankees “fans” are going to complain about CMW’s performance tonight.
See above.
Because it’s not as if that fat ole zero in the Yankees score column is making any difference.
are you asian?
Father is half-German/Chinese.
Mother is Chinese/Japanese.
YEP.
Are you hot? Do you throw pitches?
I am what everyone calls “double jointed”, my parents never allowed me to contend in school sports (sucks).
Started to play with a few college buddies a few years back and I’ve been pitching on my friend’s rec-team.
And yes I can pitch, albeit I’m not that good… but it gets by against these rec-leaguers. Although I’m off the team this current summer due to a series of injuries to my right leg/ankle.
and yes I am currently sweating.
plenty already have
God this team FUCKING SUCKS. It’s impossible to deny at this point. And now all the crazy “optimists” tell me that i’m not a real yankee fan, but trust me, I am. That’s why its so hard to watch.
I wonder how it was like for you in the early ’90s.
i didn’t watch much baseball in the early 90s so it wasn’t that bad
Then you really haven’t seen “OMFG THEY SUCK” when you see how bad they were. Unless of course they get 95 losses this season. And really the Yankees are always better after the All star break so we’re not out.
i know their better after the AS break, but the problem is we have been losing to some bad, bad teams and have had lots of scoring opportunities and capitalized on very few. We’ll be down 5 games if we lose tonight, and i’m sure the schedule will get tougher soon
5 gamers is a lot but last year they were on an 8 game winning streak after the ASB and with a rotation like that we should be red hot this year. There will be plenty of opportunities against the Red Sox and maybe we can get vengeance and sweep all of our remaining games with them.
We’re still the 5th best team in all of baseball.
yea, only problem is we’re in the fucking AL East
While leading the wild card.
If the season ended today, we make the playoffs.
Uhh. Nah, they really don’t.
If by “suck” you mean one of the best in all MLB record-wise, you are correct.
Become a Mariners fan… Then you’ll know what “suck” is. Right now you’re just a child acting out.
Cubans are good at baseball.
that play by cano was extremely un-dominican
+9
Good job by Wanger so far. No offense to speak of.
Wow, I thought that was gone.
Ugh, Escobar with that bloop hit. Wang’s gotta buckle down. If he gets through this inning unscathed, that’s gonna be a very good sign.
Chipper with a towering … phew, it got caught.
Seriously, didn’t that look/sound like a homer off the bat?
yep.
I’ve been coming to this blog for a couple of years now but I can’t take the game threads anymore. Luckily these people that have nothing to add except how much everything/everyone sucks don’t come around in non-game threads.
True that.
hey there are sane people too
I know but the amount of crap is unbelieveable.
+1
Lately it has been brutal.
I’ve been stayin’ away also, LiveFromNY. Feel the same way, not to mention when I’m not on them I don’t miss so much of the game!
Haha, but i do enjoy these threads when I’m on them. All the snarky remarks and info shared. But ya, the trolls, irrational fans, and Matt ACTY correcting my grammar is brutal.
But all the shenanigans and tomfoolery make for a plus.
Don’t worry, the team is gonna go 162-0 with a staff ERA of 0.76, scoring 9 runs a game one of these years, and the game threads will be immaculate.
0.76? That’s horrible. If we’d have moved Joba to the bullpen like I said, that ERA could have been 0.51.
Girardi’s a moron.
Hey, um, runs please?
Team looks lost at the plate
Good job with the pitch call … they finally switched up and went inside on McCann.
I wish I could write this in small print. the yankees are currently in the playoffs ssssshhhhhhhhhhhh don’t tell anybody.
Impossible.
lol wat?
Nah…LIAR!!!!!!!
We suck…DFA everyone!
That kid sucks!
Gettin’ blown away.
Everything went downhill after that Swisha bunt
Bad luck sometimes plays a part. A-Rod, Swish and Melky have all hit one on the screws right at someone. Those are the only ones I remember though…
I’m kind of feeling a vintage Wang 3 runs in 8 innings line. Just have to score some runs on the bullpen, since Hanson not pitching into the 7th.
Unless of course pinch hit for Wang this inning, then I’ll look like an idiot.
And there you, please ignore the previous post
Yikes they did.
Aaaaaaannnd scene…
Brett ripped that ball.
Come through here, Hideki.
GRIT GUTNER!
im tired of this ump giving Tommy that outside call
I don’t understand this call – have Wang sacrifice and save Matsui for a higher leverage situation later. They need to work Wang longer – he pitched a good outing, but still. That said, looks like Wang’s safe for another start.
They’ll get him stretched out.
That said, looks like Wang’s safe for another start.
Yup.
John Kruk will say Wang gave them nothing tonight. Or wait, is that only for Joba?
I wanted him to come back out but… come on Dek!
On second thought. Wang needs more pitches, he’s been getting tired around 80, he needs to be stretched out more.
Damnit ! Wang had only 62 pitches
Yankees rank in Batting Average over the past 5 years with RISP.
08: 10
07: 2
06: 5
05: 7
04: 7
03: 10
2009 – Yankees rank 2nd in AL in GIDP = 26 BA = .264 (9th AL); OBP = .363 (6th AL)
Of 14 teams in the AL, these stats prove exactly why the Yankees are average with RISP and struggling, these are average numbers.
Wang’s at 62 pitches. Seems a little early to pull him, no?
Not if you want them to ANY chance to score a run, which clearly as a team, they are frightened to do.
well i think they wanted to see if they could get instant offense with matsui instead of an auto out. NL baseball at its finest…
probably. At this point, with the way they are hitting, not sure it will make much of a difference offensively. From a defensive perspective, gives Hughes more innings.
But somehow, this is how baseball “should” be played. Yep, let’s have someone who has no business hitting stand in there with a bat as a free out. Ugh. I hate the NL.
i don’t agree with the move, but trying to make a reasoning for Eiland/Girardi –
It’s a muggy day down there, Wang has pitched well through 5. Anderson and Kotchman both have seen Wang more than the other Braves, and their lefty bats/hitting style perhaps made Girardi worried that Wang would struggle?
Eh …
Girardi should send Wang to the mound next inning. See if Bobby Cox notices that he wasn’t at the plate.
Worst case scenario, they play the rest of the game under protest.
+1
I enjoyed it.
Agreed.
(golf clap)
As its been said many times in this thread already, National League baseball is terrible. Wang is pitching well, 62 pitches through 5 and he’s taken out for a pinch hitter. I hate it.
+1.
Give him Groucho Glasses. He’ll never know.
Dag! Wrong reply.
Every other league in the world uses the DH. NPB, International play, college, everyone.
if Matsui doesn’t get on it’ll be a waste
Eh, do you really want Wang running the bases if he makes contact? I realize its early to pull him, but your bullpen is rested and why risk Wang batting.
That foot injury was a freak thing, he’s not Yao Ming, his feet aren’t going to break every time he runs.
Waddya trying to jinx him? : )
It’s telling that with 3.2 innings left in the game we pull our starter for a PH.
Why the fuck would you PH with Matsui??? Wang threw 62 fuckin pitches!!! If he’s gonna pitch, let the guy pitch you dumbass manager.
It has nothing to do with the pitcher, he’s trying to put runs on the board which they’ve had a hard time doing lately. Is it a bit early and slight panicky? Yes, but it’s in no way an indictment of Wang’s performance.
Can the ump please calling that outside pitch for a strike!!!!
this is the exact reason why our bullpen has been so bad at times. Does joe girardi not understand what bullpen roles are? He has no fucking idea. He claims hughes is his high leverage guy and he’s warming up for the 6th? How can a bullpen be successful when no one has a fucking CLUE when they will be called in to pitch?
Aceves rangers from 2nd inning to 8th inning
Hughes is supposed to be a 7th-8th inning guy, and he basically only pitches on Wang days, and only like 2 innings at that.
Makes no fucking sense.
If you are in the bullpen, you have one role, and only one: to get outs when you are told to enter the game.
It’s really that simple.
+1
Yeah if only it was that easy. Girardi was excellent at managing the pen last year, this year he’s just fucking putrid.
It really is that easy. Anyone who tells you differently is sensationalizing.
Yeah our bullpen is flat out terrible. Joba to teh 8th!!!!1
Because our bullpen of Mo, Aceves, D-Rob, Bruney, Coke and Hughes is realllly bad.
Aceves rangers from 2nd inning to 8th inning
When the starter leaves in the 2nd inning then roles are going to be changed, there isn’t a 2nd inning guy in the pen.
I don’t think theres been any secret that Hughes piggybacks Wang.
yeah its called having a long reliever. If aceves is the long reliever then fine, but don’t fucking bring him in the 8th inning then
Because Aceves has been so awful in the eighth inning this year.
He has used Hughes to back up Wang every damn time. If Hughes didn’t know he was pitching after Wang, he must be high.
in every post game he talks about how hughes is his high leverage guy now.
IETC
All of this it batshit insane.
that is a bad move pinch hitting for wang…pitch count at 62?
i love gardner hes a very good weapon on are team.
Gardy on the bathpaths: you can’t stop him, you can only contain him!
And the people who are containing him are unfortunately his own team.
Tying run at the plate. Let’s fucking go Yankees.
Sets up the ooooooooole’ DP ball for the Cap!
nice job hideki with the walk
We fucking HAVE to score here
great job by the yankees to get the kid out early. Moylan is good, so lets hope we can get to him. I can’t remember if Moylan is their submariner, but i saw him a few games ago on mlb.tv. Let’s hope we can get to him.
The cable/FiOS ads have become annoying now.
I think the cable guy is gay now. Which is kinda funny.
Jinxes be damned…Jeter FINALLY comes through here (he has to, it’s like his 5th big spot in the past 3 games)
the setup/closers on the braves are ridiculously good. if we’re still losing when we see gonzalez/soriano, it’ll be real tough
The same Gonzalez who just gave up the walk off to NICK GREEN?
How sad am I? I don’t even really care we are losing. I just want to see THE GREAT PHIL HUGHES.
come on yanks
There goes the quality start for Hanson …
C’mon score 4 runs for Wang now …
____________
On a side note, here’s hoping the heat helps Wang, well, heat up a bit. Here’s hoping for a hot day next Sunday.
Is Hanson drunk? lol I swear it looks like they just fished him out of a gigantic vat of rum…
He was born in Oklahoma.
+1000
I am terrified. Heavy ground ball pitcher, 1st and 2nd, 1 out, Jeter up. Hoping for a short line drive to right.
And of course.
Let’s go, Derek. Gotta bring at least one home here.
And “strike” one was inside, IMO.
like at least 12-15 other strikes
Re: Wang being taken out
Right now it’s all about winning games. The Yankees needed a PH there with the way the offense is going. A big reason they have Hughes in the pen is b/c he was stretched out enough that he could be a backup should Wang shit the bed again. I also think Girardi wants to again get Hughes stretched out and pitch 2 innings… which he has yet to do.
……………
Nope. Why score?
Ooooooooooooooooof course.
Didnt see that coming.
Derek Jeter has made a career of hitting outside pitches to the right side. So he decides to try and pull one and bangs into another DP. Awesome.
That was ruff.
Just the way your mother likes it, Pop.
I thought it was my Dad?
captain double play to the rescue
i grew up watching jim “6-4-3″ rice but i’ve never seen anyone like jeter
unelieveable
captain double play
Captain Double play does it again.
Oh. My. God.
Say hello to 3rd place. Another GIDP. At least they will lead the league in something.
Say hello to 3rd place.
Even if we lose this game, we’re still in second place and still leading the wildcard.
Calm down.
I’m really not liking hughes the reliever even though he’s been lights out. the guy is a starter and needs to build his innings up. Either trust wang and send hughes to scranton or replace wanger with hughes in the rotation, but this hughes bullpen bull shit has gotta end soon
He’ll likely be in the rotation after Joba get’s shut down. They’re possibly shutting down Hughes now to use his innings after Joba gets shut down. Saves innings for later I suppose if he’s in the pen. But yeah he won’t be in the bullpen forever.
I don’t disagree, I think Hughes should be at AAA. That said, I think they’ll keep it this way for the forseeable future. Wang looked good today, and with the rotation not exactly crisp, and the pen needing depth, I think Girardi sticks with this. If the rotation gets on a roll, who knows, maybe they change their mind.
i hate baseball
Baseball is a game that requires patience and perspective. If you don’t have those things, you should do yourself a favor and find a new sport to enjoy, because baseball will chew up your heart and shit on your ego if you lack patience and perspective.
sweet. go away.
it seems like every time gardner steals a base for us lately, he never crosses home plate bc we’re always blowing it.
Right on. The other day with one out.. he stole 2nd… then he stole 3rd… but we stranded him there.
FUUUUUCCCCCCKKKKKKK THIS TEAM!!!!!11!!!!!!!!!
I know we are not this bad…
We’re not.
It’s baseball. Shit happens.
Well Wang did his job. this offence is anemic.
Now this is getting to the point of ridiculous. It’s like the baseball gods just take all the hitting powers of the Yankees with RISP.
fukin Jeter
Jeter is just annoying the fuck outta me with the DP’s
We can’t seem to shake this stank on the ol’ hang low.
Could have been worse.
How? A DP is the worst possible outcome in that situation.
No one got injured?
Yep. Someone could have been injured.
he’s lucky there was one out, I KNOW he can hit into a triple play
I mean I guess someone could have gotten hurt…but outside of that.
Its also great when we’re trying to stretch out wang and we take him out at 62 pitches
excellent management
They need offense, the bullpen has shown they can hold it lately. Take advantage of the opportunities. Though, I really wanted to see Wang go further.
joel zumaya just threw 101 according to gameday. i don’t get how anyone could possibly hit him
actually, he just hit 103 a few batters ago
easy when you just sit on a fastball
he has a change but not nearly as good
micah just bombed off him
“Easy when you just sit on a fastball” Dela G’s explanation was reasonable, but its just retarded when you say it’s “easy” to hit a 103 mph fastball. I would love to see you do it.
just because you throw 100+ doesn’t make you unhittable. He throws a flat fastball, which is why people can hit him. Randy Johnson and nolan ryan threw 100+ with a shitload of movement, which is why no one could hit them
joel zumaya just threw 101 according to gameday. i don’t get how anyone could possibly hit him
Armando Benitez and Kyle Farnsworth say hello.
Shit, Braves broadcast just had a Hughes fastball at 96 mph.
so did gameday
I told the person next to me that I would bet 20 dollars that Jeter would GIDP when he came to bat.
But remember, everyone…… there’s nothing wrong with any of this. It’s just baseball. Tomorrow’s another day. Next inning is another inning. Next at bat is another at bat. The next pitch is all we need to think about. There are ups and downs. Shit happens. It’s no one’s fault. These guys are trying. Cut them some slack. There’ll be days (even weeks…. months?) like this. Don’t panic. We’re really, really… REALLY!… a good team. You’ll see.
We’ll all see.
It’s just baseball. It’s just baseball. It’s just baseball……
how long can we keep saying theres always tomorrow?
We’re getting embarrassed by these weak NL teams. Not to mention our 0-8 against boston, losing record to philly, and probably tampa(not sure about this one)
The Yankees are currently leading the Wild Card race. Did you know that?
Phil hit 96
It’s pen work. Guys let it rip.
Put him in the ‘pen!
“His curveball has more snap to it” Come on Kay even for you that’s a bit of a reach. Oh yeah did anyone else hear Fatcessa say today that Nolan Ryan wasn’t a great pitcher?
Nolan Ryan, while a great pitcher, is wildly overrated.
Do you think the Yankees could score with bases loaded zero outs and a wild pitch?
I am guessing no.
chances are the catcher would pull a mauer and tag the runner out
Phranchise.
Gameday has multiple 96s from Hughes against Kotchman. (Well, 95.6 and 95.8. Whatever. Remember when people were afraid he’d never break 90?)
Still not totally crazy about yanking Wang early. Yeah, they need offense, but they have to get Wang right, and another inning or two could go a long way towards that end. 62 pitches is nothing.
why can’t hughes get in rotation! he throwing well. Hope they dont make the wrong decision with him too.
hughes = overpowering
never thought i’d say that.