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Game 75 Spillover Thread
ByCan Wanger make it past the fifth?
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JOE MORGAN AND STEVE PHILLIPS ARE COMPLETE BUFFOONS
Wow, Joe Girardi just had the best explanation of the Yankees offense of the last week. Thank you for that slice of common sense, Joe. Thank you so much.
What’d he say?
That every team has a slump and the team has too many good hitters to stay in a slump for too long.
the team has too many good hitters in the lineup to slump for any lengthy period of time, basically.
am i the only one who didn’t think that a-rod twinged?
Hey, what’s up, what did I miss?
Oh, the Yankees are a good baseball team. That. That’s what I missed.
and Jon, Joe, and Steve are morons
DSTO:
Don’t state the obvious.
ha just giving you a recap
You know, the most likely scenario for Jeter/ARod is probably ARod DHing full-time after Posada retires and Jeter to 3rd. I went there.
Arod has the better arm. He would never DH
ARod has the worse hip.
for now…by the time Posada retires, he’ll be fine
yes, degenerative hip conditions do normally get better over time.
Seeing as how that would be 2012, I’d probably be okay with that concept. I think ARod could probably make it to 2013 or 2014 before moving to fulltime DH, though. JMHO.
I think Jon Miller just scared Girardi in terms of A-Rod
I forgot about the most critical part of the defense repositioning.
Posada played some 2B in the minors, move him to 2B. Cano to SS. Jeter to 3B. Arod to DH. Angel Berroa to C. Trade Matsui back to Japan for Darrell Rasner. Rasner takes Joba’s spot in the rotation and Joba goes to the eighth. How does that sound Jon Miller?
Let’s trade Matsui to Japan for Yu Darvish instead. Change that, and I’m on board.
Matsui leaves and only Darvish in return? That seems too steep for us. I’m walking away.
What if we keep the porn collection?
Deal.
We also get to keep the drawing of his wife. My theory is she only exists on paper.
He was J-O-K-I-N-G
ESPN games as open mic night has really gotten tired
So where was that pitch?
this has to be the longest AB ever
Four of the scariest words to open a conversation in the English Language:
Joe Morgan: “I have a theory…”
From a Metsies Fan:
Next year we will have huge pop with Dunn and more pop will Holliday and Holliday and Wright will hit .325 and all three will have a huge OBP.
DOH!
I don’t have the heart to tell him that Dunn’s signed for two years.
Let him keep hope alive, the poor bastard.
Well, Dwight thinks it’s Friday, but it’s really only Thurday, so let’s keep that going.
wow horrible melky
Well played Melky, well played
damn it
we need more runs to help out wang
now here comes joe morgan to talk sheet about CMW
I’m not surprised that he didn’t play it perfectly off the wall, but that was terrible.
Bad Melky v. Good Melky is the best positional battle in NY
Haha, IETC.
Completely agreed.
Oyy melk didnt play that too well.
HEY LOOK A RUN!
“Can Wanger make it past the fifth?”
No.
Yes.
ye but without anymore damage
But teh 2 runs!!!!
I thought you were an optimist
“Optimist”, Really? I mean seriously?
are you on crack?
EFFFF!!!!!
great this iere wang cracks and our offense can do anything but that first inning because then when someone gets on base cano hits into a double play or the pitcher is up or they just try and hit everything outta the park
ugh theyre building momentum
Why did they even pitch to Castillo????
i was wondering that myself
It’s Luis Castillo. Think about it, Luis Castillo.
Dear Yankees,
Stop making me watch Wang start.
Love,
Tony
wow ge gave up 2 runs, give me a break
Yeah, he has been amazing tonight and fallen into bad luck. Also, great all season.
People shouldn’t be rehabbing in the majors. Period.
they had 1 hit up to that inning? he’s not allowed to give up runs now, must throw all shut outs or he sucks
No, must be throwing like a major league starter. The Mets are just horrible. He’s throwing straight fastballs with no command.
No, must be throwing like a major league starter. The Mets are just horrible. He’s throwing straight fastballs with no command.
Yeah he’s been brutal today.
/oaktag
I’m sure the Yankees can do that. They can revoke YES from your cable package.
We reserve the right to refuse service.
and wang gets through 4 *thumbs up*
with 67 pitches
still less than livan
Lead’s still intact. We can do this.
Wow! The “Sky is falling People” are out already.
Relax already!
funny thing is, we’re still winning!!!
That never stopped them before.
Dudes it’s still Livan Hernandez.
A walk an inning and every pitch up is not a good formula
Guys:
It’s not the runs, it’s the fact that he’s got utterly no command. The only reason this game isn’t much worse is because the Mets have such a crap line up.
Optimism, though: The Yankees are still facing Livan Hernandez. That should be enough.
For some reason I fear that Wang is going to be given another start for pitching well against a AAA lineup. He’s progressing well, just not fast enough.
I guess we shoulda unintentionally intentionally walked castillo.
we can’t do anything against livan, just great, wang will give it back in the bottom of the 6th. thats a hr at the stadium
three runs so far take a chill pill. Plus we smoked a few right at outfielders, dont start this shit right now.
calm down dude! Seriously, we’re crushing the ball but it’s just not falling and we’re still leading. Just relax.
Fuck this field.
non-box
After Posada’s homerun last night I attempted to start a It’s a bandbox chant.
Now if all of our hard hit balls will land, we’re good
Oh my God! He gave up runs…TAKE HIM OUT NOW!
LOL
should taken him out BEFORE he gave up the runs
Don’t worry guys, our offense is clicking especially it helps that Livan is pitching, and even if Wang only goes 5, we got Hughes to back em up.
well i am praying the yankees can get a run here
How about… *gasp*
Hughes starts and WANG cleans the game up? Crazy, I know. This idea of starting the best pitchers and having the obviously injured/discombobulated guy work his way back is insane.
You really want Wang to come out of the bullpen?
Wang pitches to contact. You don’t want a reliever to put a lot of balls into play.
I’m all for Hughes starting, but not if that means Wang in the bullpen. It’s June 28th…Wang hasn’t forgotten how to pitch.
I watched Wang pitch out of the bullpen. He was fine, and he didn’t have as much chance to get his AAA stuff he knocked around. FYI, TIm Redding and Darrell Rasner have managed to look ok sometimes too. Wang is not good right now, at all. I don’t know if you guys are delusional or what, but if there were any more smoke and mirrors in play right now I’d be on the lookout for David Copperfield.
Long term >>>>>>> short term
Phil Hughes being able to throw more than 150 innings next year is a short term consideration. Got me.
Which is why I’ve been screaming for him to go to Scranton for about a month now.
Wang needs to start. So does Hughes. Wang does it here, Phil does it there.
If you think you’re feeling down, how about being a Mets fan and seeing hard hit ball after hard hit ball?
but mets fans dont see that.
Is there any other field aside from Citi in which that ball doesn’t get out? Atlanta maybe?
LOL! A DP off of a bunt.
Brutal bunt.
Wang hit into a double play!! This guy fuckin sucks!
Hughes would have hit a ball about 500 feet.
not pitching well and he can’t help himself by laying down a bunt
ugh
UGH he only made that play bc grit had to hold up incase it was caught.
they have all the momemntum. the yankees look dead right now waiting for wang to fall apart even more.
just fuckin stop, we’re still winning calm down you’re actin a fool.
look up and down , it isn’t just me. im a fan voicing frustration with this team. im allowed to. and yes they have the momentum we have the lead but not for long not the way wang is pitching
ok chicken little.
look up and down , it isn’t just me.
The rest of them need to stop too.
im a fan voicing frustration with this team.
There’s difference between frustration and nihilistic fatalism.
TSJC is good at commentary.
+1
Momentum is
tomorrow’s starting pitcherthe next half-inning.Bad baseball by Joe…Just let Wang take pitches and have Gardner steal. Why you trying ot make Wang bunt and then run hard?
Why does everyone think that Wang is Sam Jackson from Unbreakable. He had a freak injury last year, he’s not going to fall apart every time he has to run harder than a light jog.
That DP was not as enjoyable as I was lead to believe DP’s were normally.
Is that you, pat?
Touché.
hahah I’m glad I seem to have a monopoly on all that is unholy.
Well, great first inning for the offense and since, reminiscent of the past week. C’mon boys, this is not Cy Young you are facing.
Are you watching the game? We are hitting the ball hard. Sometimes they are playing in the right spot(s) is all.
I am watching the game and yes they are hitting the ball hard, but they are outs. So really it doesn’t matter if their knocking hte cover off the ball or hitting weakly, they have only 1 hit since the first inning and BG walk. That is all I am saying. Just as is a win or a loss, does it matter if it is 3-2 or 15-0. Depending on which end the Yankees are on, you either win or lose.
I wonder if it’s better to just for Wang to go up and take 3 pitches. That was a pretty bad bunt and you are making him run it out.
Ok Wangy, scoreless inning here and you qualify for a win.
How come no one said AP should be in the minors or in the pen during/after his last start?
I think you know the answer to this one.
ANDY PETTITE IS A STARTING PITCHAAAAHH!!!1!!
There it is.
knew you were waiting for it
heh… I just like to rile up the “Wong SUCKS!!1 crew”
Wang not having a good day all around..
i’m predicting a 15 pitch inning here, +/- 1
5 pitches for D. Wright for you to be correct.
13
That was a nice play by Livan but it was not “brilliant.”
I forget, and can’t read…are the Yankees losing?
seriously, how do you not let gardner steal before letting wang bunt???
what? you cant run into the fielder in the basepath???
Amazing, Joe Morgan
i cant believe he honestly said that, because you know all those collisions at home plate the runner would be out every single time
My last tweet:
How bad has the season been for Wang? To get a double play he has to hit into one.
Clever.
I cannot wait for our pitchers to go back to just pitching
And Wang should be safe because Livan was in his running lane. He should be awarded first base
man that was a GENEROUS CALL for wanger against murphy
wait go back, did phillips just say “we dont often think of pitchers as baseball players, like a dustin pedroia”…am I hearing things???? or has all of ESPN baseball staff officially been brainwashed by Gammons?????
I heard it. And cringed. And then winced.
Even if the fielder is in the base path, the runner can not interfere with the fielder while he is making a play on the ball.
STOP. TALKING. ABOUT. SOCCER. DURING. A. BASEBALL. GAME. Please.
well at least he was right, though.
the US team team did play very well the last 3 games.
WOW Joe Morgan talking soccer.
Joe Morgan talking makes me want to not watch soccer.
THAT’S what’s makes you not want to watch soccer?
Soccer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hockey
well joe morgan knows his soccer though. nice analysis
When I have a question about any sport, I go to Joe Morgan. Cricket, badminton, squash, wallyball…it doesn’t matter. Hell…BOCCE!
haha touche
Steve Phillips, since you don’t think all baseball players are “baseball players”, what do you call all baseball players who aren’t “baseball players”?
mets players he’s drafted…
ZING!
IETC
mark teixiera is effing amazing
good at baseball
I’m glad Phil is staying up while Wang is back in the rotation but no other team in the majors has people engaging in these ahole discussions about putting our starters/leaving our starters in the pen.
I think the Yankees need to make some kind of STFU decree (starting with their own YES commentators) that their decisions re pitchers are theirs and stop the debate. I can’t stand it.
ratings, discussion will never stop on Francesa or Kay’s shows.
Andy pitched bad last night, see he needs to pitch better so Hughes can take Joba’s spot and Joba goes to the bullpen. WOAH see these Joba discussions come out of nowhere, its amazing
Do you know what kind of starters you move to the bullpen? Guys like Phil Coke. Guys who don’t have 2-4 real good pitches, just 1-2 average ones. Guys who can’t start and win.
Guys who can start and win need to be in the rotation. They shouldn’t be in the bullpen. Ever.
If you have six hot girlfriends, you don’t turn one of them into a dude so you can have someone to hang with, you just hang with your six hot girlfriends.,
I never have less than 8 hot girlfriends and not one is a dude.
that I know of.
WANG YOU SUCK
yeah arod is gonna have to move off 3b soon…. NOT
Very glad to see I was wrong!
I’m really confused. I’d been led to believe that David Wright is a good hitter. Based on the events of this series, that is clearly not the case.
Al says, “See David, THAT is how you debate!”
A-Rod’s taking a defensive shit on all the scouts Buster Olney quoted as saying he was done at third base.
That’s because he’s a selfish player who only wants to prove people wrong and improve his own self image.
nice inning by wang, top of the order up for the yanks, time to score some more runs
Alex is playing some good D tonight.
Wang sucks! Why is he still in this game? LOL
even though castillo gave us a win, I hate him for that slap.
Good catch Tex
Joe knows Curling!
Wang for one more inning?
no he sucsk!!1!
80 pitches? It’s close. We may be able to get two more out of him.
I’d say…don’t take any chances.
against this Mets roster? yes, let him go.
he cant go 6 innings here, when are you going to stretch him out?
and dont let me hear once that you need to take him out after 5 with the lead to get him the all important first win. ugh. UGH.
Joe was going to judge Dancing With The Stars, but he was needed at ESPN.
“You didn’t do that step consistently enough. Six out of ten.”
Livan Hernandez got himself in great shape? When???
in 2001…
he’s a shape.
Round.
Arod with a great play. He got the ball, took a step, got ready, and threw a perfect strike to Tex. Well…ignore the other two steps he took, and the stretch by Tex.
i tell you, its like the two stooges with morgan and phillips
Haha throws from short and 3b are harder than those from 2b.
Because 2b is closer.
This is professional analysis.
John Madden is laughing at them
Hold on! It’s not as far from 2B to 1B, as it is from 3B to 1B?
What sport am I watching?
Looks like someone knows a bit of geometry(I’m shocked)
I’ve never been happier to have these Taiwanese commentators!
Ok, curious, is Joe Morgan more irritating when he is bashing the Yankees or complimenting them?
Who is more annoying as an announcer, Morgan, Phillips, kay, Sterling, Singleton, Hershiser?
In Order
1. Morgan
2. Phillips
3. Sterling
(small gap)
4. Kay
(big gap)
5. Hershiser–he actually knows what he’s talking about in terms of the pitch by pitch/mechanics stuff
(huge enormous gap)
6. Singleton–a voice that can make a wolverine purr.
But Matt, I have to listen to Kay for about 130 starts each season, his annoyance holds much much more weight than Phillips/Morgan who I hear maybe 6 times all year.
Singleton????? why is he in the conversation
idk, Singleton and Hershiser dont belong on this list.
Yeah, I love Kenny and Orel is actually decent.
Fair enough. they were added to expand the list and because they are either local or espn. I should have removed those two and added Buck and McCarver.
I thought this was a live feed of Vatican City, and a new pope was about to be elected. WTF?
Alright Tex, time to make this game Wang-proof.
Man, sometimes swish pisses me off, but he usually has a hell of an AB.
The thing that irritates me is how he always looks out to where he wants to hit a homerun. You just see his eyes staring at RF all the time. Either way how can you not love the guy?
He looks up at his grandparents, not where he wants to hit it.
2 STRAIGHT WALKS BABY!
TEIX MESSAGE TIME!
And THAT is ball four!
And THIS is a website!
And get this…I am typing ON a keyboard!
wow dude.
People hang on his every word. Even the prepositions.
Game threads have been pretty free of whiny little girls lately. Apparently the fire-Girardi-this-team-sucks bandwagon has left the building.
Fire Girardi people don’t get the game
They’re still trying to figure out why the game isn’t on YES. They have no idea.
was that a pitchout for ball 4?
Good job Swisher.
Wow, heads up play by Swish!
Nick Swisher with another baserunning blunder. He’s not an everyday player. He hit .219 last year!!!
He’s hitting .240!!!
Even Francesa realizes that Swisher’s OBP and power skills are too valuable to take out of the lineup.
IETC.
Tex, I expect first pitching swinging after two walks out of Cano, not you. Oh well, at least the runners moved up, even though they’ll probably walk Rodriguez.
The Mets are morons if they pitch to Arod.
The Mets are morons (period).
Cano has struggled? I thought he hit the ball hard his last two ABs.
yeah, Morgan and Phillips don’t understand that. They just read the boxscores…thats why Phillips got fired (quickly) and Morgan can’t get a managerial job.
if they walk arod cano will ground into dp.
Bingo
I can believe Alex has a .600 average against Livan. Mind freakin’ boggling.
Haha I knew they would walk Alex…make em pay Robbie PLEASE!!!! Yet another chance with bases juiced for him.
PLEASE DELIVER CANO! PLEASE!
Lets do some work on that bases loaded average there, chief!
make em pay cano!
I will laugh if Cano makes them pay for the intentional walk!
Cano is due, but he’ll into a DP. what’s up with his bases loaded numbers?! under 250 when the pitcher is forced to throw strikes?
Cano…please…make him throw you a strike first. Please. For the love of Mo, Melvin, and The Jesus.
Or don’t.
That’s the infuriating part of it. I know he hit it hard, but Livan’s achiles heel tonight has been trouble getting it over. How you don’t make him throw at least one strike just defies logic.
Fat baby jesus distracted Cano on that one.
hit it hard
HOLY SHEET CANO
YOUVE GOT TO BE FUCKING KIDDING ME
lol…nice job robbayyy
Cano has morphed into 2008 Derek Jeter…
Another well struck ball. Damn.
I thought that was a single off the bat. Argh.
Cano is so predictable.
Ugh, he smoked that ball. FUCK
ARGH!
WTF is it going to take to move Cano out of the god damn 5th spot in the lineup!!
a bunt and run? really? hmm.
Take it easy with those kind of comments – I mentioned that yesterday and was jumped on for that kind of crazy talk.
can we move cano from 5th spot?
Wow…how many times does he have to scald the ball for it to get through?
Bah, he hit it hard, just right at him.
i fkng hate cano i rather ransom or pena wtf take a pitch hes struggling to throw strikess
You are the most negative, irrational, person here.
Hold on folks, allow me.
OAKTAG
the whiny girly bandwagon must have forgotten to scrape you off the road. Send them a text or something so they come back round for you.
cano needs to bat 6th,. he would be fine there..
And that’s a doubleplay ball!
Every time I take it off mute, I regret it.
Cano…has officially taken Jeter’s place as the DP king…
Can he stop batting 5th?
Cano’s ass needs to sit the next game.
3 DP balls? Unacceptable from a major league hitter.
BS. It’s amazing that some of you don’t understand variance and luck. He’s hit the ball hard twice and it’s just happened to go right at people. Nothing else he can do there.
Not BS. With the way Livan was pitching this inning, he has no business jumping at the first pitch like that. Oh wait, he’s Robbie Cano….if he sees more than 3 pitches in an AB he melts.
meant to say 3rd pitch not first
“With the way Livan was pitching this inning, he has no business jumping at the first pitch like that”
it was the third pitch of the AB
He’s a bottom of the order hitter. He sucks in these situations
Why swing at all on a 2-0 count…
Talk about lucky. The Yankees are hitting the holy hell out of the ball.
Well that was great.
damn. unlucky there, he hit it hard. murphy’s law hits cano for today.
bad luck DP!!!
Cano’s impatience shows there, that was ball 3
meh, that was hard up te middle; instincts took over. and Robi had a hit stolen from him by castillo earlier
I’m not a big believer in “momentum shifts” but, damn, did we just hand the Mets something to get pumped about.
We have absolutely crushed the ball today.
Luck for Livan…un-luck for Wang. He should have let that ball go, but instincts will getcha.
“That’s gonna throw that into a base hit”
Vague pronoun references galore.
that always throws that.
doncha know?
wang and cano are doing a good job keeping the mets in the game
yeah unacceptable to give up 2 runs
No pitching change?
I wouldn’t say that ball was exactly “scorched”. Would you?
lol.. are you watching this game on television?
Hey, I’m not saying he’s not pitching well! But now that he’s finally gotten a chance at winning the game, why take any chances?
Yeah he got a little unlucky on that hit, he should’ve let it go to Jetes. I’m surprised they took him out now.
get us through this inning wang & the pen will take it from there
Sheff scares me..DP time please
Thank god Cano hit into a DP so people would have something new to complain about. I was going to have to put some of you guys on suicide watch if we didn’t have some sort of unfortunate result to harp on and jump to conclusions about.
where is “V” when you need him…
Hey…3 Dp’s in a game is nothing to compliment…
Which is why I didn’t compliment it.
bien puesto
I don’t know if this is one pitch away from 4-3, or from none on, two outs . . .
Why did Sheff bunt? I mean…the clean-up hitter bunt?
What?
oh damn it, why bring in phil coke?
martinez cant hit lefties
Because he’s good.
yeah i got pwnd
We better score some runs because we have hit the shit out of the ball.
Wang’s stuff hasn’t looked particularly stellar, but he’s survived a lousy Mets lineup. Can’t bitch too much.
Apparently a lot of people here can
Coke pwns the next 2 guys then phil for the 7th and 8th.
And 9th, please.
I would’ve let Wager go, hopefully Coke doesn’t fuck up my boy’s W.
No Hughes?
Lefty coming up.
Wanger only threw 85 pitches. I would have liked to see him try to finish the inning. Too bad Robbie’s ball was hit right at the SS last inning, otherwise Wanger might have gotten to finish the inning.
I agree. I would have let him go as well, but this is what Coke’s role is supposed to be.
I’d feel better with some insurance runs. They really needed at least one last inning.
I can live with it. Even ’06-08 Wang had a very pronounced platoon split. Might as well shield him from LHB if he’s done enough.
Yup. But I’d say the best chance he had at a long outing was last time. I actually think he pitched better in that game.
Too bad the run support wasn’t there.
Hughes for the 7th and 8th
Doctor, what should I do if the announcers make my ears bleed?
Nevermind the fact that the Yankee bullpen has to pitch a lot of their innings in a freakin Little League field.
and if they pitch better, they wont give up the HRs.
i think the better stat or discussion would be to determine how many of those bullpen HRs were given up in April and May vs. June.
Phil, if you walk Martinez . . .
Wang didn’t look as good as he did versus Atlanta. That said, I’m not a fan of Girardi’s micromanaging. I think you let Wang try to deal with Martinez. It’s 3-2, you’ve won the first two already, and the most important thing for the Yankees the next few weeks is to get Wang right.
But that’s me. Decent start, not as good as Atlanta, but showing steady improvement. That said, a tougher test next time with Toronto, who has seen him plenty.
I thought you wanted Wang gone like 3 innings ago?
+1
I’d agree with all that. I thought he pitched better against Atlanta as well, but this start wasn’t bad.
In any event, it’s time to take the training wheels off and just demote Phil and stop with the start-by-start referendum for Wang. Unless he reverts back to the Wang of April, he’s in the rotation. And Phil’s in Scranton, starting and getting his innings in.
Make it happen, fellas.
my bad for doubting you coke
that was a MONEY… MONEY strike out
+1
Tyler Kepner just tweeted that AND it’s a Pepsi park.
So people hate Cano for the DP and think Pena would be better? Um, I don’t even know how to respond.
And then blaming Wang for giving up 2 runs? If Wang had done that from the beginning of the, season he would be 7-3, at least.
Wow, I thought the sun was hot here today.
Lets go Hughes.
Hughes in to pitch to Omir Santos seems the definition of overmanaging.
(And as I look it up, I see Santos has an OPS >.800 against LHP. One problem: 32 PAs!)
I wonder if we see Brunester in back to back days. Pitcher due up 4th
Not after only 1 pitch.
Phil hughes
1 pitch
1 out
that is GEICO MONEY!
well done Phils
Phil(s)!!!!!!!!!!!!
That was easy.