Girardi gets the dreaded vote of confidence

A wild and not-so-wild night for Mariano
Montero, Banuelos elected to Futures Game

To the lay person, a vote of confidence might sound like a positive. You always want the confidence of your boss, so when a general manager says he has confidence in his manager, well, that sounds like the best possible thing. Right? Not to the sports fan. We’ve seen this song and dance plenty of times. Team is struggling. General manager or owner steps up and says he has complete confidence in the manager. Team slips a bit further. Manager gets fired.

In this way, Joe Girardi couldn’t have felt well after hearing Brian Cashman‘s most recent comments. The supremely talented team, assembled by Cashman and helmed by Girardi, has been slipping of late, and more than a few fans have called for the manager’s head. That doesn’t seem to be in the immediate plans, but if we’re to believe that a vote of confidence puts the manager on the hot seat, Joe’s job may be on the line.

Sweeny Murti has Cashman’s gushing words about Girardi:

“I think Joe’s done an exceptional job,” Cashman said. “We’re scuffling right now for three weeks, but he’s not humped over, slumped over, he’s not down and out and woe is me or depressed or on edge or tight. He’s keeping his guys up, he’s keeping them positive.”

“He’s doing everything he needs to do,” Cashman concluded.

Translation: win or else. For his part, Girardi understands the implication. “I know the drill here,” he said. “You win or you go home.” Indeed. It’s a foregone conclusion that if the Yankees fail to make the playoffs for a second straight year, Girardi will spend the off-season tidying his resume.

Murti notes the lack of attractive in-house options should the Yanks can Girardi before the season ends. Realistically, if they so chose that path it would have to be Tony Pena. The 2003 AL Manager of the Year has been with the Yankees for a few years now. Not only would he be the leading option for a mid-season managerial change, but he’d have to be high on the list should Girardi not make it to 2010.

This isn’t the first time Girardi has received a vote of confidence from the Yankees brass. Back in September Hank Steinbrenner noted that “Joe will be back.” Yes, that sounds like a good thing, but again, the translation was, “Joe will be back, and if he loses again he’s out.” Yes, we like reading far, far into these statements given to the media.

Thankfully, the Yanks turned around a few weeks of poor hitting last night in their 8-4 win over the Braves. A win tonight would put the thought of firing Girardi further back in our minds.

A wild and not-so-wild night for Mariano
Montero, Banuelos elected to Futures Game
  • Manimal

    I wouldn’t be surprised to see an epic 20 game win streak after the allstar break

    • jsbrendog

      why wait? why not now?

      • Bo

        20 games?

        Reasonable expectations

    • http:/roster godfather

      calling this team supremely talented doesn’t make it so; supremely paid, yes; supremely inflexibly rostered, certainly; and that’s not joe’s doing, but norm’s….versatility is nowhere to be found on this complation of highly paid dhs….hideki and damon are the two leaders at that “position”…no zobrists or kotsays or ukilises are employed here…supremely stagnant…beginning with a perenially puzzled front office

  • MattG

    There’s not another manager in the majors I would want more. Consideration for Terry Francona, but that ain’t gonna happen, and I am very intrigued by AJ Hinch.

    For the most part, all managers have the same stupid crutches. Girardi has fewer than most, I think.

    What I DO really like is Girardi is clearly Cashman’s underling, in a way Torre never was. That allows Cashman to make the personnel decisions, and this has blossomed into things like Pena over Berroa, Cervelli over Cash, and Robertson over Veras. Do those things happen the same if Torre is manager?

    • V

      You mean this Terry Francona? http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=652

      Oh, you mean, managers get better as they get more experience?

      Any front office that makes decisions because the fans and media are clamoring for it is a front office I don’t have confidence in.

      • V

        And, for the record: “Forget about the long-term implications for Wolf’s arm–and believe me, I’m trying to forget in order to avoid screaming–this was just plain stupid managing in terms of trying to win the game. To hell with firing Francona: that’s too quick. How about drawing and quartering?”

        Yeah.

      • MattG

        I know nothing of Francona’s Philadelphia career. I admire his machinations as the Red Sox skipper. That guy is a really good manager, in the dugout, in the press room, and presumably in the clubhouse.

        • JP

          I think he’s a mensch. Really good guy, seems like a very intelligent, respectful, fair, hard working guy.

          He’s also had the best roster in baseball for several years…

          I’m not sure he’d be doing any better as Yankee manager than Girardi has done the last 2 years. But you’re right about him.

          • Charlie2

            This is the same thing said about Torre. Tito is a very good manager, and that is taking nothing away from Girardi who I really wanted to take over.

  • Nigel Incubator-Jones

    Because of the history of the “vote of confidence”, nothing less than a contract extention is seen as positive. Basically, the GM or owner can’t say anything about the manager without it being seen as negative.

    But hey, “He knew the job was dangerous when he took it.. bak, bak, bak, bak”

    • http://theyankeeuniverse.com Moshe Mandel

      Exactly. If they don’t say anything, people say “how are they letting him take all this heat and not say anything? They must not like him and are letting him take the fall.” If they do talk and are positive, it is a false vote of confidence. If they are negative, well, that’s pretty obvious.

    • Nigel Incubator-Jones

      Sorry the quote should have been “He knew the job was dangeroud when he took it.. bgeek!”

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

    Let me just put it this way. I have far more confidence in Girardi right now than I do in the New York State Senate. That might be a terrible comparison.

    • I Remember Celerino Sanchez

      I have more confidence in B-Jobbers than I do in the New York State Senate.

      Which is something, considering B-Jobbers rank between subprime mortgage-backed securitization bankers and the network executive who greenlit “Momma’s Boys” on my head-up-the-ass index.

      • http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/413671602_daded72a81_m.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        Momma’s Boys was amazing.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Yes, it was.

          Wait, you didn’t mean “amazingly bad”, did you? Nevermind, then.

          • http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/413671602_daded72a81_m.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

            Khalood Bojanowski is a saint.

            (… And a crazy racist person, which just makes for good television, really.)

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              Reality TV is like highway rubbernecking. Schadenfreude at it’s basest.

              Speaking of which, they’re pulling Jon and Kate Plus 8 off the air. As they should.

              http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1872563/jon_and_kate_plus_8_canceled_tlc_pulls.html

              • http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/413671602_daded72a81_m.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                Unfortunately, I’m sure it’ll be back once the divorce is settled. Ratings talk. Whatever, I guess people enjoy it.

            • I Remember Celerino Sanchez

              Possibly the most awful human being ever to be on television. And I’m including the news!

              • http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/413671602_daded72a81_m.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                Haha totally. She sure does love that JoJo, though.

                • I Remember Celerino Sanchez

                  Yes, and to talk about his hot body (as I try and choke back the vomit welling up …).

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Meh, subprime mortgage-backed securitization backers are supergeniuses. They got all the profits and outsourced all the risk, and if it blew up in their faces, the government would be forced to foot the bill.

        It’s like legalized theft.

        • Charlie2

          Excellent point

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      http://www.instantrimshot.com

      Patterson’s gonna halt their paychecks. Brilliant.

      • the artist formerly known as (sic)

        You realize you just describe Patterson as brilliant…right? Think about what you’re doing man!

  • Drew

    I think (and hope) that last night was the start of something. After looking completely inept through 5 innings, we got the spark we needed. I’m betting on a 12-5, 11-6, 17 game roll leading up to the break. Maybe even with a Wanger win sprinkled in!

    • Evan NYC

      I’m content with winning series.

  • jsbrendog

    if they can keep up the pitching and timely hitting displayed last night then this team is unstoppamable. A GREAT sign is nady playing the OF for 7 innings last night. slot him in instead of ransom\pena and good to go.

    all we need then is for marte to come back and this team will be a monster.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      It’s all falling into place…

      • jsbrendog

        It’s a hell of a start,
        It could be made into a monster
        If we all pull together as a team.

        And did we tell you the name of the game, boy?
        We call it Riding the Yankee Train.

      • JP

        The paragon of fandom and optimism.

        We are coming off a horrific slump, and suddenly, after 4 successful innings, “it’s all falling into place.”

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Wrong.

          I said that it was falling into place DURING the slump as well. Because it was.

          Because I look at both the long-term and the short term. Even while we were slumping, Nady and Marte were getting closer to returning. Even while we were slumping, Wang was making progress towards his old self. Even while we were slumping, Swisher and Cano were beginning to take better swings.

          Perspective is a wonderful thing. It teaches you to never get too consumed with highs or lows.

          • Charlie2

            This is true. Just the other night, Tommy was breaking out the longterm >>>>> shortterm stuff about Wang. He has been one of the few on here I have read that has constantly said everything will fall into place.

            TSJC is a genius. Not only did he win that fantasy football title, but he is able to see the future!

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              Thank you.

              And,

              T-O-M-M-I-E

        • jsbrendog

          now i ask, do you read comments in their context?

          my comment:

          IF they can keep up the pitching and timely hitting displayed last night then this team is unstoppamable. A GREAT sign is nady playing the OF for 7 innings last night. slot him in instead of ransom\pena and good to go.

          now in our complicate dlanguage IF means there are certain factors that must come to fruition in order for things to maintain their current pace or to continue to improve. basically, IF they continue to hit and pitch like yesterday.

          IF Nady comes back and can play the field, which regardless him playing 7 innings there last night is a good sign.

          and, IF marte comes back, this team will indeed be a monster IF THEY CAN maintain the pitching and htiting.

          please stop your whining about the fandom/optimist/realist junk. your act is tired.

          • JP

            A one-sentence “it’s falling into place” comment, as a reaction to a single win doesn’t make sense to me. His expanded comment did.

            Yes I read the context. I didn’t say anything about your comment. But if I did, I’d say that’s a long list of ifs. Like me after a round of golf…I would have shot 79 if I hadn’t made 2 triples and three doubles and three putted 18.

            I’ll ask you to go read my comments in context, jsbrendog. I give credit where credit is due. I praise Yankee players all the time. I just like to look at both sides of the situation. And as I’ve said before, there is a difference between discussing things on a blog and cheering at a game. I’m a great fan, I don’t boo. I support the team.

            What, may I ask, is the purpose of a blog if people aren’t given room to disagree? Calling my dissenting voice tired and accusing me of whining is mean spirited and unfair. I could come up with a long list of colorful, unflattering metaphors to describe people who defend the team at every turn, but I don’t like to play that way.

            Petition the moderators if you’d like me to be banned. Otherwise you have no right to tell me to shut up.

            • jsbrendog

              ok no one told you to shut up. but its obvious many people are in agreement that you are a broken record with your “realism”

              it is seen as whining.

              you can disagree all you want. but use evidence. dont ignore it like you do with wangs improvements however small they may be. no one said you should be banned, no one told you to shutup. ppl are just pointing out that you say the same ting in every comment and your analysis of this site is so far off base it is a joke. also some of your comments (oh its sucha breath of fresh air for insance and your consistent complaining abot fanboyism ie. The paragon of fandom and optimism.) come off as somewhat condescending. if you dont like the tenor fo the site and comments then leave. but no one believes you should be banned or shut up

              • JP

                I am as interested in the discussions which cannot be solved with evidence as those which can. What is wrong with wanting to know why someone thinks Tony Pena should be the manager? The thread is about the manager? There is no evidence – numeric, anyway – that’s worth discussing when it comes to a manager.

                Wang’s recent outings have been improved compared to early in the season. Great. Because you believe he will return to form, I guess I have to embrace that shred of evidence and agree with you? What’s wrong with saying you have a feeling or a hunch about something? The “evidence” behind my hunch, regarding Wang, has been stated by me over and over. His problem with K rate, historically speaking (yes, I know it’s better recently, but this doesn’t erase the past), the fact that he had a several start period last season, before his injury, in May, I believe, when he was suddenly and surprisingly bad, and, most obviously, that his performances early this year were so atrociously bad that they rank among the worst pitching performances of all time. If that isn’t sufficient evidence for you to support an overarching doubt about the future of a pitcher, then it’s you who are ignoring evidence, not me. I’ve also cited a list of players who fail to recover after significant injuries. I’m an MD, and to me a Lisfranc injury is the type of thing I perceive as potentially career ending, and certainly highly significant to a pitcher. Do you want more evidence?

                I find the multiple voices saying the same things over and over to be tired and whining, too. Maybe the only reason you get so irritated with me is that I’m a single voice functioning as a loud minority.

                • jsbrendog

                  http://riveraveblues.com/2009/06/girardi-gets-the-dreaded-vote-of-confidence-13664/#comment-449272

                  here since you missed it when i posted it for you below. there is information you can base choosing a manager on. and one with only one year of success preceeded and followed by epic failures with THE SAME TEAM screams anomoly.

                  no one here has any problems with the minority, vocal or otherwise. there are comments you have made eschewing the stats of wangs progression saying yeah well my hunch he will fail whatever the stats say.

                  your opinion is fine but i must say, and im not alone, that something in the way you express it, be it presentation, or the fact that you never miss a beat to slide it in there in multiple comments in the same thread or whatever, it comes off as annoying.

                  plus this is all about your wildly idiotic statement that this site leans toward fanboyism (which si like the 56732895465st time we’ve had to hear you say that despite it being completely wrong)

                • JP

                  js, with respect, I think you entirely misunderstood the tenor if my original “fandom optimism” comment. I suppose an emoticon would have helped.

                  I dont’ know what is meant by a “fanboy,” but my comment was meant as it was stated, literally. Specifically, that I think that characterizing the team as having everything fall into place on the basis of 4 successful innings is an example of the paragon of being a fan and an optimist. There is nothing derogatory in that. At all. Paragon means the ideal, shining example. Fan means supporter. Optimist means looking on the bright side.

                  I didn’t call anyone childish (I guess that’s what a fanboy implies), or batshit insane. I just thought it was a pretty sweeping statement by TSJC based on a pretty small sampling of ‘evidence.’

                  I don’t apologize for repeating myself, though. Sorry if you don’t like it. Some things have to be said over and over before anyone notices.

              • Charlie2

                You do realize you are not using “evidence” to prove your point, right jsbrendog? You are using a bunch of “ifs” while JP is pretty much using the same “evidence” you are. It’s two sides of a coin.

                • jsbrendog

                  with what, someone like wang?im not saying hes going to fix himself. i sayingand have bene that he is showing progression and improvements and each successive time he does so he earns himself another chance to further that progress because he is necessary to the team.

                  with tony pena i say how is he a better replacement with his trackr ecord? there is a reason no one else has hired him since 05.

                  how am i not using evidnce?

                  m comment above about the team COULD be a monster IF these things happened, i didnt say they would, they wouldnt, or anything defnitive. i have no point. i was merely stating that should it all falinto place we will be a machine.

  • Yages

    Meh. I can remember back to the days before Torre arrived in NY. We’d go through managers like they were sunflower seeds, and we never won anything. The team is old. Firing Girardi won’t solve a thing.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      You know, as painful as it is, I’ve had to let a few people go over the years… Yogi Berra… Lou Pinella… Bucky Dent… Billy Martin… Dallas Green… Dick Howser… Bill Virdon… Billy Martin… Stump Merrill… Billy Martin… Bob Lemon… Billy Martin… Gene Michael… Buck Showalter… Joe Torre…

      • the artist formerly known as (sic)

        …Billy Martin…

    • Drew

      younger than the sawx and dodgers, among others.

    • JP

      Yages, come on. Before Torre arrived, we had no team. Well, not until Buck came in. And lots of people felt Showalter was holding the team back, with his draconian disciplinary rules, curfews, his obsessive compulsive micro-managing of everything.

      I don’t know if it was accurate or not, but Torre got alot of credit for improving the team in Showalter’s wake.

      I really would love to know more about this idea of Girardi not having the respect of the WS Champ veteran players.

      It sounds on the surface like petty gossip. And maybe that’s what it is.

      But if there are personality issues and cliques undermining the authority of the manager, that can be extremely destructive to a team.

      Bill Parcells made a big deal once about his house cleaning of the early 1980s Giants football roster. The Giants had a good team under Ray Perkins, with some very good, all-pro players, such as Brad Van Pelt. Parcells observed early in his tenure as head coach that certain players had attitude issues and didn’t think they could improve, and he cleaned house and suffered through a 3-12-1 season before re-emerging with the team that would win the Super Bowl in 1986.

      Anybody think a similar issue could be holding the Yankees back? Not saying, asking.

      • Drew

        I think it’s all a media creation. I think the guys like Joe and respect his authority. Started out somewhat slow, what’s wrong with Joe? Got insanely hot, Joe’s the greatest. Team cools down and can’t get the big hit, what’s wrong with Joe? All media BS that is given way too much credence.

        • http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/413671602_daded72a81_m.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          Yup. What he said.

          (Possibly minus the second sentence because, hey, who knows.)

      • jsbrendog

        that griffey has no respect for the game with his backwards hats, smiling, mind boggling defensive plays, mammoth homeruns, and magnetic personality. baseball would be better off without him.

        \showalter’d

      • JohnnyC

        Maybe the Yankees can also draft LT to play linebacker as well. That’d help.

        • jsbrendog

          cashman’s an idiot for nto getting shaq. phoenix gave him away. suxor.

          • I Remember Celerino Sanchez

            IETC

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      The team is old.

      No. 7 of the regulars are old. ARod, Jeter, Posada, Damon, Matsui, Pettitte, and Mo. One of those old players, Matsui, isn’t really a fulltime player anymore.

      That’s counterbalanced by 10 of our regulars who are damn young (26 and under): Joba, Hughes, Melky, Gardner, Cano, Coke, Aceves, Cervelli, Peña, Robertson.

      It’s inaccurate to call this team “old”.

      • JP

        But I’d say it’s skewed or unbalanced toward old. The only “impact” level player who is a regular is Cano. Among the pitchers, only Joba is logging significant amounts of playing time. Aceves and Coke are playing regularly, but as bit-player relievers they are less valuable.

        Our stars, the guys who a heck of alot of the production on the team, are kind of old.

        • Drew

          Bruney, Teix, CC, Robbie, Melk, Gardy, Swish, Wang, Hughes, Jober, D-Rob.
          If under 30 is kind of old, then we are screwed for the rest of eternity.

        • JP

          Grammar/editing failure. I was responding to tsjc’s stated list of players, which didn’t include Texiera among the “young.” I didn’t agree with the orignal statement that the team is “old.” I said that quite a bit of offensive production comes from old players, on the wrong side of 30. The only beast on the team under 30 is Texiera.

          The Yankees may not be an “old” team, but they are not a young team, either.

          • Drew

            True but when you think about it. The Rays have drafted top talent in the draft since they came into existence. We have the same average age.
            A team like the Yanks can never have a team heavy on 25 yr old superstars unless we get insanely lucky in the draft or IFA. Many consider the Sawx to be the benchmark, we are nearly identical in terms of position by position age.

            • ChrisS

              Average team age is irrelevant.

              The age of the core is relevant. For example, the Yankees as a team have had 2,797 plate appearances (not including pitchers despite Mo’s awesome AB) this season. Players 33 or older account for 1,290 of those or 46%.

              The Rays, meanwhile, have totaled 2,840 plate appearances and players older than 32 account for 139 of those or a little less than 5%. The Rays’ team age average is skewed significantly by their bullpen which includes players that rarely play (or are injured for the season or retired).

              All of this means is that the Yankees rely on older players, who, as a subset of the major league baseball playing population, see a decrease in skill and an increase injury risk. Because of this, the Yankees need to have a little extra back-up protection – which they have not done.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            And that’s a great microcosm of why many of your complaints about the posters on this site being “fanboys” who agree 100% with the team are wrong.

            I NEVER SAID WE WERE A YOUNG TEAM. What happened was, somebody said we were an old team, and I challenged that by pointing out the actual facts that we’re not an old team. I never said we were young, and I never praised the team for being young, because we’re not a young team.

            What we’re not, though, is an old team. That’s a hyperbolic statement. We’re not any older than anyone else, and we actually have quite a few young players playing significant time. I challenged the incorrect negative statement of another commenter. I didn’t fawningly say that we’re super young and everything we do is awesome.

            You’re attacking a strawman version of our comments. A version you’ve imagined in your head.

            • JP

              I didn’t attack anything. He said they are “old”. You said they’re not old…I refined the argument to say that much of the offensive production comes from the over 30 crowd. No straw man, and no hyperbole.

              • ChrisS

                Agree with JP here.

                The team age relative to the league is different depending on the metric.

            • Yages

              Actual facts? Hyperbolic statements? You make me laugh.

      • Yages

        Inaccurate? Hardly. Up for debate? Absolutely.

  • http://myspace.com/lincolnsworld Link

    I was not overly excited when Girardi was named manager, the NY media market I think requires a charismatic somewhat full of himself manager. Thats why everyone loved Martin, Johnson, Valentine, etc…it will be interesting to see what happens if we miss the playoffs again.

    • Nigel Incubator-Jones

      It won’t be interesting if you and the Yankees don’t make the playoffs, it will just be the end of the baseball season.

  • http://statspeak.net dan

    I don’t really see what more Cashman could have said.

  • clee

    i’ve said it during the interview process…and i’ll say it again: Tony Peña should be the manager of the NY Yankees.

    • JP

      Fine. I’d like to know why you think so. (This blog, as you know, is heavily skewed toward near 100% support of everything Yankee…players, managers and coaches, front office, scouting, everything’s ‘great’ to the majority of people around here. Your comment is a breath of fresh air, so elaborate!)

      • jsbrendog

        This blog, as you know, is heavily skewed toward near 100% support of everything Yankee

        this is a false and obnoxious statement just because your ideas arent always embaced. this blog is based on factual evidence and despite a couple biases is nowhere near a fanboy i wanna bang the yanks site.

        • V

          Exactly.

          I’ve never met a ‘realist’ who wasn’t just an Eeyore/Charlie Brown pessimist.

        • jsbrendog

          and, to add, not the knee jerk reaction of most fans. it is a long season.

          if you have an opinion, back it up with facts. if you can’t youre probably going to get many responses. it is not unequivocable support/fanboyism. this isnt apple forums

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Thank you.

          The only reason this blog could be perceived as skewing towards defense of the Yankees is because this blog is peopled with calmly rational debaters who are constantly put upon to defend the actions/members of the team from wildly irrational idiots who think the Yankees suck balls and will finish in 4th place and that every decision is a bad one and that all our players are horrible.

          The hyperbole of our detractors makes our humble defenses look like starry-eyed manlove in comparison.

          • V

            :thumbsup:

          • jsbrendog

            THAT IS HOW YOU DEBATE!

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              What happened? I blacked out.

        • JP

          It has nothing to do with whether my ideas are embraced. What I see on this blog is that when someone embraces an opinion that is anti-Yankee, it is typically argued against, fervently, by multiple voices.

          When the matter in question has to do with something which can be settled by looking at metrics – which is often the case – I have no objection to the attacks, and I usually agree. Go ahead and try to find posts where I make “batshit insane” statements or misrepresentation of objective facts. I don’t.

          In the matter above, I gave no personal opinion about Girardi. I asked someone why he thought Tony Pena would be a better manager than Girardi. You can’t answer a question like this with any statistics that I’m aware of, so it becomes something fun to debate. You get to hear what people think, rather than just read a bunch of statistics they gleaned from a website.

          The litany of attacks my comment provoked is full of as much hyperbole as I’ve ever written around here. I don’t have time to respond to it all.

          • jsbrendog

            In the matter above, I gave no personal opinion about Girardi. I asked someone why he thought Tony Pena would be a better manager than Girardi. You can’t answer a question like this with any statistics that I’m aware of

            http://riveraveblues.com/2009/06/girardi-gets-the-dreaded-vote-of-confidence-13664/#comment-449272

            your original comment:

            Fine. I’d like to know why you think so.

            of course, so would i.

            (This blog, as you know, is heavily skewed toward near 100% support of everything Yankee…players, managers and coaches, front office, scouting, everything’s ‘great’ to the majority of people around here. Your comment is a breath of fresh air, so elaborate!)

            you are obnoxious, this is untrue, you make it up as tjsc so points out here

            http://riveraveblues.com/2009/06/girardi-gets-the-dreaded-vote-of-confidence-13664/#comment-445398

            and the tack on of his voice is a breath of fresh air is condescending to donnie baseball hall of fame proportions. youre not him are you?

            • JP

              Maybe you could restate your argument without the links. You’re accusing me of being obnoxious and lying, and I can’t see it.

              What did I make up? I asked a guy why he would rather see Pena as manager.

              Yes, that post also included the statement that all of you took so personally, but that statement had nothing to do with the topic of the thread, which is Joe Girardi.

              What kind of “evidence” does someone have to present to ask a legit question about a manager?

              • jsbrendog

                you do realize your comment is the reason everyone has an issue with you? because it is not the first time? or doyou? this has nothing to do with your question liking to hear his reasons. we all agree with that question.

                forget it.

              • http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/413671602_daded72a81_m.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                If you don’t mind my butting in here… You’re asking him to only concentrate on the first half-line of your comment and then disregard the next 4 lines. Nobody said anyone can’t ask a question about a manager, people have an issue with the rest of your comment:

                (This blog, as you know, is heavily skewed toward near 100% support of everything Yankee…players, managers and coaches, front office, scouting, everything’s ‘great’ to the majority of people around here. Your comment is a breath of fresh air, so elaborate!)

                As far as the original comment goes, he could have given some supporting evidence when making a declarative statement about Girardi/Pena (and if he didn’t do so in his original comment, he certainly could have once questioned about his opinion, and he has chosen not to). As far as your comment goes, you can’t just toss out the part of your comment (which is the vast majority of the words you wrote, by the way) that is being attacked and try to refocus the discussion on another part of your comment in order to evade criticism.

                • JP

                  Fair enough, Mondesi. But I haven’t exactly evaded criticism, have I?

                  It was clearly a mistake to state my opinion about the tenor of RAB commentary in the way I did. There is no doubt it was hyperbole, and incendiary, obviously.

                  But I stand behind the general point. This is how things work around here: In matters of fact and evidence, the statistical kind, the ‘correct’ answer is quickly posted the matter settled. On matters where stats or evidence can’t settle the issue (“is Girardi a good manager,” “is Posada a poor game-caller), it is my observation that there are far more voices which strongly support the Yankees than which don’t. As it should be…this is a Yankee fan site. But there is a tendency to berate people who, for lack of a better term, ‘dis’ the Yankees. They are “whining,” or are tired. Sometimes, half-baked stats are drummed up to “refute” someone’s opinion. Often it ends with a string of arcane postings with inside jokes and quotes from past posts or past contributors to the blog, which do nothing but alienate dissenting voices and make the site look clique-ish.

                  There is also a negative reaction any time anyone makes a declarative statement. As if it’s illegal or immoral to do so…I apologize if it sounds arrogant, but to me it is indeed a breath of fresh air to hear a commenter come out and say, point blank “I think Pena should be the manager.” Sorry if that doesn’t sit well with everybody; to me, it’s the kind of comment that stimulates thought and debate. I don’t want to press the “PC” button, but people shouldn’t be afraid of speaking out, and being wrong.

                  So you are right, I can’t rightfully ask everyone to write off 3/4 of my original, incendiary comment. But nobody did. Other than what I wrote above, I don’t know how to defend it other than to say it’s what I see. The fact that someone reacted so angrily to it suggests there must be at least a kernel of truth in there somewhere.

                • Jamal G.

                  I’m glad I’m not the only guy that was dumbfounded by JP’s point of completely turning the conversation away from that entire paragraph he wrote, acting like it was some throwaway line.

                • Jamal G.

                  … it is indeed a breath of fresh air to hear a commenter come out and say, point blank “I think Pena should be the manager.” Sorry if that doesn’t sit well with everybody …

                  I don’t like that statement because it is based on a basis that is void of any factual knowledge. This person wants Tony Pena as the manager because he doesn’t “feel” right with Joe Girardi as the manager, or he is obviously swayed by the mainstream media talk that says the veteran players on the Yankees do not like and/or respect Joe Girardi.

                • http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/413671602_daded72a81_m.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  Just a couple of points…

                  “It was clearly a mistake to state my opinion about the tenor of RAB commentary in the way I did. There is no doubt it was hyperbole, and incendiary, obviously.”

                  Good for you, it’s not easy to say “my bad” and many commenters don’t go there. You should leave it at that.

                  “But I stand behind the general point…”

                  So then you take back your mea culpa. Poor form. You don’t get points for self-criticism and awareness if you just go ahead and argue the opposite of your apology. That negates your mea culpa… You can’t say “yeah, I shouldn’t have said that” then go ahead and say the same thing all over again. You seem more interested in proving you’re right and other people are wrong than you are in making an honest assessment of the situation, and that blocks you from understanding/admitting why your generalization was wrong. It’s not the tone, it’s the substance.

                  “The fact that someone reacted so angrily to it suggests there must be at least a kernel of truth in there somewhere.”

                  No, it doesn’t. Frankly, that’s something I’d expect to hear out of a child (“well you wouldn’t be upset if it wasn’t true!”).

                  I’m done with this conversation, you can go ahead and respond to this comment if you want.

                • JP

                  Jamal, how is it you know “this person” (I assume you mean Clee, the original poster to whom I replied) “wants Tony Pena as the manager because he doesn’t “feel” right with Joe Girardi as the manager, or he is obviously swayed by the mainstream media talk that says the veteran players on the Yankees do not like and/or respect Joe Girardi…”? Are you serious?
                  I’m asking…not saying you’re wrong, but Clee never answered my question. So the only way you could know how he feels is by another post in another thread.
                  Apart from that, I would ask you why it is wrong for a person to state an opinion based on “feeling?” I guess I have to spell this out, too, but there aren’t any metrics which can validly assess how good a manager is. You can’t look at W-L, because it’s dependent on the players mostly…history is full of managers who were wildly successful with some teams and lousy with others, like Casey (Yanks v. Mets), McCarthy (Yanks v. Red Sox), Torre (Yanks v. Braves, Mets), etc.
                  There are plenty of books and websites which list statistics. We can mine these sites all day long, but sometimes all it comes down to is ‘my spreadsheet is better than yours.’
                  As for being “devoid of factual knowledge,” facts include things other than quantities. Baseball managers do things which can’t be measured numerically. They motivate people, positively or negatively; this is a fact, there just isn’t a number to represent it. They create an atmsophere for the team, they create routines and processes. All of these things are interesting to talk about, and are factual, yet there is no numeric, quantitative way to measure them. Doesn’t mean we can’t discuss them.

                • jsbrendog

                  “There are plenty of books and websites which list statistics. We can mine these sites all day long, but sometimes all it comes down to is ‘my spreadsheet is better than yours.’”

                  WOW. are you sure youre not DBHOF? all youre missing are his awful nicknames.

      • V

        You really are a broken record at this point.

      • http://theyankeeuniverse.com Moshe Mandel

        I disagree. I think the general tenor here is skewed toward objective fact. When you have a team in a playoff spot, you want to hear supported opinions on why people think changes need to be made, rather than things like “Swisher is a 4th outfielder, he just is,” and “Joba belongs in the bullpen, he looks more dominant.” I don’t think anyone has a real problem with objective dissent, nor do I think there is a blind “everything’s great” sentiment, at least not from the regulars.

        • jsbrendog

          or from the self proclaimed realist jp about wang is never going to figure it out. he hopes he does but he is a realist. and realists cant see in hs numbers and pitching performances a steady progression (although minor and nto as extreme as we all want it to be but it is there nonetheless) towards returning to a form where he is at least a serviceable major league starter

        • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

          I agree with Moshe.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Exactly.

          If 95% of my time spent discussing Joba Chamberlain is spent in the endeavor of convincing busloads of irrational idiots that he’s not a bad starting pitcher, it can seem like I have no criticisms of him.

          I do. I just never have a chance to talk about his shortcomings, because there’s too few people capable of discussing Joba’s shortcomings without jumping to asinine conclusions and stretching to ridiculous extremes.

          • jsbrendog

            and when someone is yelling joba to the pen he cant pitch mroe than 5 innings and he walks too many people you are not going to indulge them by saying you are right that those are tow issues he has but have nothing to do with him oging to the pen because that will lead to SEE?!! im right!!

          • I Remember Celerino Sanchez

            You’re crazy! Joba is perfect! He has no shortcomings!

            /Every Poster in JP’s eyes-ed

            • jsbrendog

              ietc

        • http://eemack.blogspot.com Jackson

          Not to mention many people on this blog often make criticism of certain things. Be it game management, bullpen use, when to steal, pitch selection, roster management what have you but since we’re rational enough to not speak in absolutes (calling for the head of Girardi, Cashman, Eiland, whoever after one slip up) we walk through life with rose colored glasses unable to face “reality”.

        • JP

          Moshe – I think the general tenor here definitely tends toward advancing arguments bolstered by objective fact. But there is also quite a bit of selective use of objective facts. When people present objective facts which paint a negative picture of a Yankee player, they are often ignored or mocked and ridiculed.

          This is supposed to be a forum for discussion. It should be civil. Go ahead and look at my comments. I’m not the one cursing, I don’t call people wildly irrational idiots.

          • jsbrendog

            in this thread i dont believe anyone has cursed. in this thread i do not believe anyone has called anyone an irrational idiot. we are talking about ideas and presentationg, not the people making them. although i mean, i am kind of a big deal

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            I called people wildly irrational idiots. Because the posters in question have made some wildly irrational idiotic statements.

            I didn’t call you that, JP, because you’re not. But your memory isn’t accurate.

            There aren’t people who “present objective facts which paint a negative picture of a Yankee player” that get ignored, mocked and ridiculed.

            The people who get ignored, mocked and ridiculed are the people who paint negative pictures of Yankee players WITHOUT having objective facts Shit, they don’t even have SUBJECTIVE facts, if something like that exists.

            People who present cogent arguments get praised and respected, even when they disagree with the majority opinion of the board. People who say dumb shit get clowned on and dismissed.

            • jsbrendog

              and the people who make those broad and wildly idiotic comments are the ones who say swisher sucks.

              then you give the statistics to prove otherwise.

              then they respond with stats dont prove anything i see it with my own eyes. are you even a fan? do you watch the games?

              vicious cycle

      • http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/413671602_daded72a81_m.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        Dude… If you’re going to make a statement like that and then get a lot of dissenting responses, you should probably respond in kind to the dissenting commenters.

        • jsbrendog

          your comment is a breath of fresh air

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside
            • jsbrendog

              what you no like? its cause i left out the

              \jp’d

              isnt it?

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                No, I was just giving you a helpout with the rimshot, gratis.

                You = Johnny
                Me = Ed McM

                • jsbrendog

                  ::pretends to putt wit invisible putter::

                  HIYOOOOO

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Dude… If you’re going to make a statement like that and then get a lot of dissenting responses, you should probably respond in kind to the dissenting commenters.

          /bangwagon’d

          • http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/413671602_daded72a81_m.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

            Hold on, is my comment getting made fun of here (by jsb’s comment and yours)? I’m confused. lol

            • jsbrendog

              not me. i was agreeing by referencing jp’s obnoxious breath of fresh air comment in his original anti rab diatribe

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              Hold on, is my comment getting made fun of here (by jsb’s comment and yours)? I’m confused. lol

              I’m just laughing at how everybody came together to defend the honor of each other against JP’s broad-brush affront to our sensibilities.

              • http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/413671602_daded72a81_m.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                Oh ok.

                I actually want to make that kind of comment more often but refrain, but this time it just seemed called for. It’s so weak when people toss comments out there and then disappear and don’t bother to deal with responses.

                (And now he’s at least responded, so good for him.)

    • jsbrendog

      why because one year hegot lucky with a team where a copuple people had career years and played waaaaay over their heads coughcoughangelberroacoughcough and then in the two following seasons after that one with the SAME team was a combined 66-129?

      not to mention 2002, the yr before the miraculous anomoly that was the 2003 royals he was 49-7 with the SAME team

      not knocking tony, but he is way over rated based on something that he had nothing to do with

      • http://myspace.com/lincolnsworld Link

        49-7 is pretty darn good!

        • jsbrendog

          DAMN me fail

          49-77 sorry

      • ChrisS

        No because he fired up Arod last night. We all saw it, Pena barked at ARod and clapped his hands and then ARod got a base hit with the bases loaded and Yankees went on to win. Pena is a master motivator. Like Ozzie Guillen.

        /AroundTheHorn

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          There’s only two reasons we won last night:

          Joe Girardi and Tony Peña. That’s it. They singlehandedly won that game for us. If Joe hadn’t gotten ejected and Tony hadn’t skillfully stepped into his place, we would have lost 38-0 in a no-hitter.

          Also, correlation always equals causation. Always.

          Sincerely,
          ESPN

        • http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/413671602_daded72a81_m.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          I hate that I’m defending Around the Horn, but I’m pretty sure that’s actually the last show where you’ll find strong support for Ozzie Guillen. (Unless Marriotti is no longer a frequent participant, I really have no idea.)

          • ChrisS

            Isn’t Around the Horn that show where they buzz in and play a quasi-gameshow and the one puffy, red-faced guy has a chalkboard with a different dopey saying from a 1980s novelty T-Shirt on it everyday?

            Yeah, that’s the show.

            • jsbrendog

              whoa whoa whoa

              woody paige is the man.

              • http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/413671602_daded72a81_m.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                He meant Jackie McMullen.

                Wocka wocka!

                http://instantrimshot.com/

    • http://theyankeeuniverse.com Moshe Mandel

      Well, that’s it then. Clee said it. I expect a press conference at any moment.

      • RichYF

        IETC

    • http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/413671602_daded72a81_m.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      I just want to know what Januz thinks about this.

      • jsbrendog

        impeccable meme placement.

        +10

        • http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/413671602_daded72a81_m.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          h/t steve (different one)

  • gxpanos

    Unfortunately for General Joe, the impact of managers must necessarily be overrated, especially on teams with veterans on it. You cant fire all the players.

    Baseball managers are the least important to their teams relative to the major sports. What’s he supposed to do when theyre slumping? I think he’s basically average to good in BP management (considering the entire profession holds ridiculous ideas about the roles of closers), but even in that department, how much control does he really have? A bunch of guys had good years last year in the BP. There was a stretch this year where there were injuries and guys were not so good. So was he really “good” last year and “average” this year? You’re a good manager if you have good players and you arent an idiot.

    So, because of the relative unimportance of the manager, many times his biggest asset to the team is his ability to get fired. It might spark the team, and the guy you bring in to replace him is usually no worse.

    I like Joe, but so it goes. He could be gone in two weeks, or still be the manager in 2015.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      I like Joe, but so it goes. He could be gone in two weeks, or still be the manager in 2015.

      That’s a pretty bold statement there, bro. Way to go out on a limb.

      • gxpanos

        Haha not saying it was. Just pointing out how most of the time a manager’s fate has nothing to do with him.

        • Bo

          A manager doesn’t control his own fate? How about winning? Unless your Clint Hurdle and even he got canned

  • tampayankee

    Yeah! Now pull the trigger and let the Tony Pena era start.
    Then please cut matsui, Damon, Swisher and Tomko so the team can get younger.

    • ChrisS

      We’ll get Kid Duncan up from AAA to play RF – he’s raking.

    • jsbrendog

      oaktag.

      • http://myspace.com/lincolnsworld Link

        I get it now! :)

        • jsbrendog

          use it wisely my son

          • http://myspace.com/lincolnsworld Link

            lol

    • I Remember Celerino Sanchez

      I agree. Cut Swisher and his .374 OBP and .876 OPS and replace him with Justin Wang, who is less than a month old. We’ll be younger! Also cut Matsui and his .823 OPS and replace him with one of Derek Jeter’s sperm cells. After all, the cell would be minus-nine months old! Talk about younger!

      • jsbrendog

        then we trade melky/ipk/aceves for pujols/schumaker/molina?

        • I Remember Celerino Sanchez

          Why are you thinking so low?

          Here are the deals to make:

          Melky and Matsui (because he’s so tradable) for Sizemore

          Damon and Duncan for Pujols (they get two starters for one!)

          Cervelli and Tomko for Mauer (Cervelli is almost as good as Mauer, so the great 8th inning guy evens it out)

          • jsbrendog

            touche.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            I’m not making any trade for PooHoles unless we also get Chris Duncan and pitching coach Dave Duncan.

            My dream of an all-Duncan and Sanchez team is still alive.

            • jsbrendog

              and when they win they can play dirty sanchez by raq instead of ny ny

              because it is “the calling card of the cheap romantic”

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      That’s gotta be sarcasm. Has to be.

      • jsbrendog

        hasnt tampayankee advocated for releasing that same set of players previously? im pretty sure….

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          I personally hope we DFA 36 year old Tomko and replace him with 35 year old Jason Johnson, just to piss tampayankee off…

          Technically, we did get younger!

          • K.B.D.

            Let’s get rid of Mo. He’s by far the oldest on the team. Getting younger takes precedence over all!

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

      Do you even know how old Swisher is?

      • I Remember Celerino Sanchez

        I’d settle for him knowing who Swisher is!

  • Jesus

    Vote of confindence? Someone prep the fake glasses w/ nose & moustache for Bobby V.

  • dre

    Girardi has been crapping the bed since last year, its time for him to go before he costs us this season.
    I don’t know where all this blind devotion is coming from.
    He makes the most illogical decisions all the time.
    He needs to go

    • jsbrendog

      sigh. as usual, who would you suggest replace him? why? why would they be better?

      • I Remember Celerino Sanchez

        And name three “illogical decisions.”

        • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

          Well, I like Joe and I can do that:

          1. Twice in one week bunting to get to Brett Gardner
          2. Aceves over Mo in Boston
          3. Seeming overuse of Phil Coke (though this one could be stretching it)

          • jsbrendog

            someone in a previous thread already did the coke/overuse thing and he is on pace at his current use to meet the average usage of a bullpen arm around the league.

            aceves iver mo in boston, yes, but he learned from it against the mets but it didnt work out. not his fault. a manager showing he can learn from his mistakes is awesome.

            as for bunting to get to brett….uh…hes kinda hitting well?? i got nothing.

          • I Remember Celerino Sanchez

            My point was more with the word “illogical.” You can disagree with the decision, but it’s not necessarily illogical. Finding out if Ace can handle late-inning, mid-inning situations is not illogical. You might want to see Mo in the 8th there, and you may be right, but Girardi’s decision wasn’t “illogical.” I don’t remember the bunting to get to Gardner situations, but I’m sure there was a logical (if less compelling) reason for doing so. Same thing with Coke. His (over?)use of him is questionable, for several reasons, but it’s perfectly logical (if, again, not your choice, or maybe even mine).

            To be clear hear: I’m not saying I agree with Girardi in the three situations you listed. I’m saying that even if you/we might disagree with them, none of them are “illogical.”

            • dre

              how about having swisher bunt with Jeter at second? the pticher is wild and you have swisher who has more walks than anyone at the plate, how is bunting in that situation logical?

              • Evan NYC

                Swisher may have done that on his own.

                • dre

                  when was the last time you saw saw swisher bunt?

                • Evan NYC

                  I don’t know but he has done it in the past. Is there comments from Girardi that stated he called for Swisher to bunt in that situation?

                • jsbrendog

                  eh. its possible either way but players do make dumb decisions sometimes. not saying i know or tihnk either way, but girardi does (this year so far)m have a pretty good track record of going, that was my bad, i told him to do that, wrong call.

                • Evan NYC

                  Fair enough. But look at the Met’s the other day. Livan Hernandez told Luis Castillo that if Castillo got on base then Hernandez was going to hit and run. This was all unknown to Manuel. Players do strange things on their own. I’m just making the point that Girardi didn’t make that call 100%.

              • I Remember Celerino Sanchez

                Again, you disagree, but not illogical.

                The Oaktag-esque original post made wild accusations about Girardi. My sole point is that you might disagree with his decisions, but none of them are “illogical,” the wildly exaggerated term the poster used.

                For example, if I have a RH reliever in the game who strikes out two righty hitters on six pitches, and the next batter is a righty, and I pull the pitcher and replace him with a LH reliever with a 2.5 WHIP and a .500 BAA v. righties, THAT could be illogical. There would appear to be no line of logic that one could follow to reach that decision.

                None of Girardi’s decisions have been devoid of any logical line of thinking. That doesn’t meant that many people (including me sometimes) might disagree.

            • Evan NYC

              Keeping Berroa around for the last month?

              • jsbrendog

                thats cashman’s call i gotta assume. joe doesnt handle personnel. plus, how much mroe obvious could he make it that he didnt want/need him then giving him 22 abs in 3 months? haha

              • I Remember Celerino Sanchez

                A) What jsbrendog said about Cashman.
                B) You are making my point for me. Thank you. I thought Berroa was a wasted roster spot. BUT Girardi said he wanted two infielders on the roster, because Alex was coming off surgery, and he wanted to be able to pinch hit for the backup and have another option. He said that such a player would be more use than an OF he couldn’t find time for, or a pitcher that wouldn’t get innings. Do I agree with him? No. Did he express a LOGICAL line of thinking? Yes. Was it the BEST logical line of thinking? I’d vote no. But, you can’t say it’s devoid of logic.

  • dre

    Leaving CC in the game when there was no need, (3 games at 119 pitches…thats begging for an injury and he does the same with AJ too)

    not resting AROD after major surgery!

    bunting with a man on 2nd (scoring position already whats the point??)

    not sending the runner to second, with Gardner at third in a 1 run game. (i don’t care if the guy on first gets caught in a run down, with GArnders speed hes making it Home, we’ll take the lead the next inning)

    by the way he did that Twice!

    Misuse of Mariano, brining him in the 8th when things were going well, but then not brining him in, when thigns are going bad…

    oh and 1 for last year, overuse of Farnsworth…(Lets thank Cashman for getting rid of him when he did, or we might not even have gotten as close as we did)

    i could go on…

    oh and i would just go with Pena for now see how that goes..

    • I Remember Celerino Sanchez

      Every single example you game was logical. There are logical explanations for every one of your cited decisions (e.g. a guy can score from third on an out with less than two outs, and can score on a passed ball/wild pitch regardless).

      Do you agree with all Girardi’s decisions? Clearly not. Did a lot of people disagree with the decisions? Yes. Did Girardi have a clear logical reason for doing all those things? Yes. You may disagree with the decisions, but they are not devoid of logic.

      Your original rant was a hyperbole-filled and fact-deprived. I am making the point that your use of the word “illogical” was one element of your hyperbole.

      • dre

        Having a reason to do something, doesn’t equate to logic.
        do you even know what logic means?
        obiously hes going to have reasons he does things, that doesn’t make them logical…
        (There is a higher probability that Gardner can score, if the runner on first takes off for second, to depend on the hitter, with the game on the line, leaves it open to too many variables)

  • Bo

    Exceptional job?

    Imagine if he had the team actually you know playing well. I cant even venture a guess as to the words he would throw out about his job performance.

  • bonestock94

    I can’t imagine the Yankees’ record being much better/worse if they had a different manager. Minus 3-4 incidents in ~70 games, I haven’t really disagreed with Girardi’s decisions.

    I don’t know if it’s bias from growing up watching him play or what, but I’d really hate to see him go.

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