Saturday Night Open Thread

Game 62 Spillover Thread
Sublett & Fryer power Tampa to win

After the way the Yankees mailed today’s game in, I wouldn’t hold it against you if you decide to go out and get hammered tonight. Hell, I wouldn’t hold that against you on any night. But if you’re not going out and decided to spend your evening with us, use this thread to talk about whatever you want. Virginia is taking on LSU in the College World Series on ESPN right now, so you can check that out if you don’t find anything else on the tube. Virginia starter Danny Hultzen is a legitimate candidate for the first overall pick in the 2010 2011 Draft.

Anything goes here, just be nice.

Game 62 Spillover Thread
Sublett & Fryer power Tampa to win
  • http://and-that-happened.blogspot.com Evan

    It games like this where I’m glad I’ll be out most of tomorrow. Hopefully, the Yankees kick much Santana butt while I’m on a bus back to New York.

    • http://and-that-happened.blogspot.com Evan

      *It’s

  • Jobamania

    Games like this make me want to bash my head in.

    • Dela G

      I’ve already created a dent in my head…

    • http://and-that-happened.blogspot.com Evan

      Yeah, although my self-beating had as much to do with some dumb commentary from the person sitting near me as the game.

  • yankeefan91 Arod fan

    Can someone answer this for me y in the world they dont aired minor league games no more on yes like before.

    • Bill

      they probably stopped cuz they had nothing to show. they really should start airing games now that the farm is strong

      • yankeefan91 Arod fan

        yea i agree they should aired sum scranton and trenton games to see sum of the future stars.

        • Bill

          thats why i listen to the milb games on online radio. ajax is 1-3 tonite

  • mike jones

    I would be extremely pissed off right now but because of Castillo’s dropped pop up yesterday im still ok

  • jonathan

    Here is the difference between the Yankees and the Sox when facing young pitching….the sox put up a 5 spot in the 1st inning. If that were the yankees we would have been 0-3 inning over.

  • http://www.richardiurilli.com/ Richard Iurilli

    Here’s a question for those who just want to put today’s game behind them.

    I need a new pair of headphones for my computer. I don’t care about portability as I generally use cheap earbuds with my iPod. So I’m looking for a nice pair of over-the-head earphones for gaming and music. Nothing fancy, good sound quality, and durable. I’d prefer to pay under $100.

    Any recommendations?

    • Dela G

      find a way to find a pair of slightly used Bose earphones. You can get those for about a ben franklin

      oh and panasonic makes some alright ones that have good bass

    • Rick in Boston

      I’ve got a pair of Sony headphones – not too big, but they’re good on the computer and drown out my wife watching Bravo.

    • Joey

      Stick to the name brands like Bose and Sony. I’ve had a ton of cheap earphones in the past and most of them have problems you wouldn’t get if you spent the extra few $$$ on a reputable brand

    • KW

      Grab a pair of Sennheiser HD-555, they run about $100 and you probably can’t find better phones for the price. They’re AWESOME.

      • KW

        Oh, and check out head-fi.org. You’ll probably find enough info there for a lifetime.

  • Andrew

    Should be on a 5 game losing streak.

    This team has a LOT of glaring holes. Our starters are horrendous. Our bullpen is even worse.

    Whatever. Should be fun getting swept by (insert AL West or AL Central opponent) here in the first round again.

    • cookie monster

      CC is the only dependable pitcher on this staff.

      • The new Yankee Stadium sucks

        I don’t think the rotation is as bad as they look, but I don’t think the offense will be good enough if they have to constantly rely on the long ball.

  • Luis Polonia

    I think the most frustrating element of these last five games is simply that we’ve been playing really bad baseball. Baserunning errors, fielding miscues, absolutely no hits with RISP, poor outings from the starters, etc. I understand that we weren’t going to win 75% of our games the rest of the way but I’m concerned that the team we’re seeing presently is the team we’ll see for the rest of the year as opposed to the team we saw from the Toronto series until last Tuesday.

    • http://and-that-happened.blogspot.com Evan

      This team has played poorly this week, no doubt. However, there’s no way their true talent level is this. If they do play as you think they will, then yeah, things will need to change. I just don’t think that will be the case.

      • Luis Polonia

        I’m optimistic as well. It’s just frustrating that we are never clicking on all cylinders offensively. Also, there’s no way the starters pitch as poorly as they have this past week. As long as our starters can give us 6-7 innings each time out (7-8 for CC), I think we’ll be alright. There’s no guarantee that A-Rod will be the same player that he was before the hip injury but he’s too talented to be stuck at .237 all season long.

  • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

    John Manuel of BA has the scoop, the two Cubans have cleared all the hoops and are now officially free agents.

    http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/?p=4798

    Miami-based agent Jaime Torres confirmed a report in El Nuevo Herald (the Spanish-language version of the Miami Herald) that Cuban defectors Noel Arguelles and Jose Iglesias have cleared the unblocking process and have been declared free agents by Major League Baseball.

    The duo defected last July in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada, during the World Junior Championships. The 19-year-olds took nearly a year to go through the various hoops such as establishing residency (in the Dominican Republic) and being “unblocked,” a process all Cubans must go through to ensure they don’t send all their money back home to aid the Communist government there.

    Torres agreed that MLB’s new investigations unit and greater scrutiny of all Latin American free agents, stemming from the Nationals’ Esmailyn Gonzalez fiasco, contributed to the longer process for his free agents.

    But scouts who saw Arguelles and Iglesias liked them last year at the World Juniors, as the lefthanded Arguelles drew Francisco Liriano comparisons, while Iglesias was likened to Orlando Cabrera, from his stance in the batter’s box to his tools at shortstop.”

    • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

      This blog has the Yanks signing both, and two more Cubans (Yadel/Marti) on the way:

      http://cubanballplayers.blogspot.com/2009/06/for-cubans-road-to-majors-is-taking.html

      As for Torres own clients, he sent to MLB on April 20, 2009 the paperwork for LHP Noel Argüelles and SS/2B José Iglesias to be declared free agents. Some sources have said that the Yankees like to sign both players and Argüelles is throwing in the 90-93 MPH range. Torres said that he called Lou Meléndez from the Office of the Commissioner and Meléndez conveyed that both players should be declared free agents soon. Meléndez said is taking longer for MLB to verify the proper documentation. Torres asked for permission to show both players to the scouts while the investigation is taking place, but his request was denied.

      Jamie Torres will also send to MLB the paperwork for RHP Yadel Martí and OF Yasser Gómez soon. Torres expressed that he always make sure everything is correct with his own clients. “

    • Drew

      IFA or actual free agents?

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

        The Cubans are unrestricted Free Agents. Anyone can sign them anytime.

  • Luis Polonia

    BTW, Phillies and Sox in a rain delay. Is it bad to hope for a rain out?

    • cookie monster

      Definitely not. I wish the redsox suffer career enders.

      • Dela G

        cookie monster you are hilarious

  • Arod, all the time

    2009 Yankees = Red Sox of yore

    No pitching. Only runs via HR’s. Terrible defensive range by a roster full of plodding DH’s. Confused front office. HR stadium, as well.

    I hope you boys take the next years better than I did, back then. And, hey, just wait until summer hits and those bats go limp!

    • Bill

      Amen, i was thinking the exact same thing. And we’re not gonna get any better until our young players get up here and make an impact, which i do see on the horizon in the next couple of years. speaking of which, a player who i think has a chance to be good is unheralded pick deangelo mack. although he is already 23, he has a sweet looking swing from the left side and has power. ill be lookin out for him

      • Arod, all the time

        It’s really true. No Yanks fan wants to think so but it is, anyway.

  • Tony

    Pettitte is either injured or done. Choose your adventure.

    • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

      Or in a slump, as he often is for about a month each each season.

      Andy has typically been a 2nd half pitcher (as has AJ Burnett). The reason he wasn’t good in the 2nd half last year is he was hurt.

      • Jobamania

        i rather look at his 2nd half last year rather than his career.

    • Bill

      i wouldnt resign pettite next year.

  • Mike D.

    The Yankees are still fine. 3 Games out in June is nothing. NOTHING! About 100 more to play.

    • Bill

      i think we’ll make the playoffs, probably via wildcard, but there are some pretty big holes on this team. it pains me to say this, but i think the sox are more solid. they’re havin a nice run the past few years, but we’ll be back with another dynasty soon.

  • Luis Polonia

    How do you guys think we fare against Johan tomorrow? He did give up 4 HR last time out but I think it’s safe to say that’s an anomaly. I think we put up 2-3 runs and we have to hope that we get a halfway competent Burnett otherwise it could be pretty scary, although the Mets are only putting up 3.8 runs in his starts.

    • Bill

      who we sending to the mound 2morrow?

      • Luis Polonia

        Allan James Burnett.

        • Bill

          thats a loss, hes been horrible lately

          • Luis Polonia

            Hard to argue there. Especially considering the fact that he hasn’t been able to go deep into games and we have used our bullpen for 20.2 innings over the last five games.

            The line for our starters over the last five games:
            21.1 IP, 30 H, 20 R (18 ER), 16 BB, 16 SO, 4 HR, 480 pitches (276 strikes).

            That’s an ERA around 7.6. We are averaging 23-pitch innings each time out. YIKES.

            • Bill

              i do think we’ll hit santana though, so we could win a shootout. i think burnett has good career numbers against the mets, but he’s been crap lately.

              • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

                Burnett’s been very good in three of his last five starts, meh in one, and terrible in the other. The Fenway outing was ugly, but he was on a nice little roll before that.

                • Bill

                  how do u think he’ll do tomorow?

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

                  No idea, and honestly I don’t care as long as they win. Lots of innings would be nice, eight preferably, but I’ll take six or seven.

  • dkidd

    is there a more frustrating yankee than robinson cano?

    • Bill

      no. he gives away at bats more than any player ive seen in awile. hes gotten away from his early season approach. it also seema like hes reverted back to his old stance.

      • Bill

        “seems”. i sounded like borat

    • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

      Angel Berroa sitting on our 25 man?

  • ZK

    When does management become worried about Andy? His second half last year was just as bad. I’ve look up the numbers. It’s not BABIP or HR/FB related. It’s just decline.

  • Bill

    this would be a heartless move, but we’re probably a better team if we DFA matsui and DH posada. posada cant call a game anymore, which is weird, cant throw, and the yanks made their run with cervelli catching. i would be suprised if posada caught 70 games next year.

    • Drew

      So going over your last few posts, Cano is the most frustrating Yankee, he gives away his AB’s, Posada can’t catch, AJ Burnett can’t win, Matsui should be DFA’d and the Red Sox are better than us. Is that all?

      • Bill

        im not saying matsui should be dfa’d, but we are a better team with posada DH’ing. i stand by everything else i said. you also blew the cano comment out of proportion. he gives away alotta ab’s, not all of them.

        • DCR

          The Yankees are just going through a tough period. Sure last night was a lucky win but they still scored seven runs. That isn’t exactly a weak offensive performance.

          The only glaring weakness the Yankees have is their bullpen. A bullpen that gets infinitely better when Bruney is there. For as much smack as I talked about Robertson, he has been pretty good so far. A bullpen of Rivera, Bruney, Aceves, Robertson, and Coke with two mop up guys is fine.

          The rotation will be fine. AJ won’t be this bad, Pettitte is obviously pitching hurt, and Joba will keep getting better.

          Calm down. It stings losing to the Red Sox and the Mets but it doesn’t change the Yankees having a solid team.

          • Bill

            im actually pretty calm now. i still think the sox are better, and i hate the sox ALOT. and i still think we’ll make the playoffs.

    • DCR

      In what universe does DFAing 118OPS+ hitter make a team better?

      • Bill

        hes not opsing that this year. the knees have robbed us of the vintage godzilla. hes also flying open on everything, and im sure long has pointed that out to him numerous times.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          Yes, he is. 118 OPS+ this year, 123 career.

          • Bill

            i stand corrected

          • Bill

            but the yanks have been looking better with posada dh’ing. i really like cervelli this year

            • Zach

              you like him why? yeah hes gritty and can run and pitchers like him. also has an OBP of .280

              • Bill

                he calls a great game and throws out guys. maybe i overreacted but matsui’s role should be reduced. injuries have taken a big toll on him.

                • http://www.retire21.org Mike R. – Retire 21

                  Maybe????

                • http://theyankeeuniverse.com Moshe Mandel

                  Posada’s catcher’s ERA is equal to the team ERA during his tenure as a Yankee. Did he suddenly forget how to call a game this season? Joba’s numbers are actually better with Jorge, and Andy loves him, so I’m not sure what you are getting at.

                • Bill

                  where do you get those numbers? and u cant deny that the pitchers overall perform better with cervelli

                • http://theyankeeuniverse.com Moshe Mandel

                  Take a look if you’d like. I wrote on this a few weeks ago, and the numbers are there.

                  http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/?p=3621

    • Arod, all the time

      Jeter and Godzilla are the only players on your team’s roster that know how to bring baserunners home. The others would rather hit the ball out of the park, even if their striking out or doubling a runner up is the more likely outcome.

      Matsui just need to be handled properly. I doubt Girardi can do that but that’s how it should be done, regardless.

  • Brendan

    Anyone hear what K-Rod had to say about Bruney saying he was sick of his act? Them be fighting words.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Yeah, Bruney should just shut his mouth and worry about getting healthy.

    • mike jones

      yeah it was pretty well played

    • Drew

      I thought K-Rod just said he never heard of ’em.

      • Brendan

        He said to come to Citi Field and say it to my face. It isn’t really Bruney’s place to be saying ANYTHING but K-Rod looks incredibly ridiculous acting like he just won game 7 of the World Series in non-save situations.

        • Drew

          heh. True…

          • Brendan

            K-Rod would even do it in a 15-0 blowout if the Mets brought him in to pitch solely because he hadn’t worked in a week. It’s so obnoxious and pisses me off because it seems Joba gets so much shit while Papelbon and this moron get off free.

            • Arod, all the time

              The world repeats:

              Papelbon and Krod do it after a game won while Joba does it in the 1st inning after not walking some shmuck. Big dif.

              • http://theyankeeuniverse.com Moshe Mandel

                Why are they different? i’ve never gotten them. Either it is showing up the other team to celebrate or it is not. He does it in big spots, when he is emotional. He’s not putting on a show.

                • Zach

                  Because you can atleast make the argument that they do it after the game is over and their team won. Doing it earlier, or in the 5th inning when your team is losing like Joba did against Boston is going to be criticized.

                • http://theyankeeuniverse.com Moshe Mandel

                  I dont get that distinction. Is celebrating your performance showing up the opponent or not? Because Papelbon and Frankie are celebrating what they just did, not the victory, so it should not make a difference when it occurred.

                • Zach

                  How do you know what part of the game they are celebrating?

    • Bill

      i got my money on bruney

  • Jose

    Why has the yankee bullpen been such a disappointment. Not like other fans, i am not disappointed in Rivera because he had to become human some day and he is pitching much better than an average closer but the rest is just horrible. Jose Veras should throw to Texiera in the homerun derby, Coke is struggling, What happen to Ramirez, Marte and Bruney have been hurt forever. I think the yankees have to give up some good prospect if they want to win this year because with this bullpen they are not going to win anything. Matsui is done he can barely run and those knees are just going to fall apart on him one of these days. Xavier Nady is going to be a big upgrade for us. Who are some relievers out on the block? I am also happy that the yankees are going to back into the International free agent pool, i think they really need to land Sano- he is a future SS waiting to happen.

    • Bill

      bullpens are inconsistent from year to year. it seems like we ran into alot of bad luck this year with everyone sucking at once.

  • ranger11

    I understand the need to be optimistic and I agree with it, mostly. But, how the hell did they not crush this fucking guy! It’s just weird that this happens so much against no-name pitchers.

  • Bill

    i know mike isnt a fan, but i really like eduardo nunez. great spring traing, having a good offensive season in a tough park. just homered tonite

    • Jose

      He did really good. The yankees did not have an off day at hitting, he was actually throwing pretty good. He did not throw anything straight which made him unhittable at times and yes i just used the U word.

  • Mike D.

    It looks like Brackman was skipped in the rotation this time around.

  • Charlie

    Oh boy, check this article out. http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/06/yankees-thinking-sano.html .The yanks BETTER be in on Sano, God knows we need a shortstop for the future and the way the yankees spend money 4-5 million couldn’t hurt.

    • http://www.retire21.org Mike R. – Retire 21

      He’s 16! We are going to need a SS before he’s ready. I agree they should pursue him, but counting on a guy that is 4 + years away isn’t exactly a plan.

    • Mike bk

      he wont be a SS by the time he gets to the majors. Yanks look at him as a 3b some others see him as a corner of, maybe he would make an upton like transition to center.

  • Chris G

    If Danny Hultzen is a “legitimate” candidate for the first overall pick in 2011, then are we assuming that Bryce Harper does get his GED go to CC and get drafted first in 2010?

    • http://www.retire21.org Mike R. – Retire 21

      No. We are assuming he uses all of his leverage and drops to the Yankees. :)

  • Steve

    The Yankees won’t get to the World Series by waiting to exploit the other teams bullpen in the last couple of innings. Everybody wants to blame starting pitching but the lineup on paper should be able to score more consistently but they don’t. Their RISP sucks.

  • raysam

    can we still get ben sheets is he still injured cashman needs to do something drastic to shake up this team.damon and matsui will be gone next year bring up ajax we probably should have gotten mclouth.jason bey is a free agent next year we should try to get him.

    • Charlie

      Sheets won’t be ready for more then MAYBE 10 starts this season. His agent won’t even admit how the rehab is going- not something that usually screams “help is on the way” in my opinion. And I was a huge Sheets guy this past off-season.

    • Zach

      we need to sign lackey and trade for beckett too. lets get david price and bj upton too. maybe stephen drew is available, i like matt kemp too. pujols is on the block too? lets add joe nathan too

  • Dorian

    Tough night of DOTF for Mike

  • Ivan

    Here’s a question, Should the yanks replace Hughes with Pettitte?

  • Charlie

    Here is a question. Fantasy baseball- What type of numbers do you guys think ARod finishes the season with? Not the triple slash numbers, but the actual ones. Anyone and everyone’s opinions will be greatly appreciated!

    • Charlie

      Forgot to write, we use the standard categories (Runs, HR’s, RBI’s, SB, AVG) and we use OPS.

      • josh

        83 RUNS, 31 hr, 90rbi, 11sb, .294

      • Charlie

        dude, can you change your name. could get kinda confusing

  • josh

    this is a homer happy team once again. i may have a what have u done for me lately attitude but cano seems soft to me. i have always wanted to give melky the benefit of the doubt but he is not making me look good. we have got to stop building teams based on stats. when hughes was starting and cervelli was catching we were winning more. i understand posada is great but his defense costs us – that is a fact. i obviously am not a gm but the yankees dont seem to be putting baseball teams out there anymore. i think this is a very good team but once again i have my doubts about what will happen in the post season. where are the guys who can field, hit some line drives and produce in the right situations. gardner, posada, and swisher are not good for this team as ALL AROUND PLAYERS. cabrera has the arm for right field but not the range for center. cano is having a very good defensive season but strikes me as lazy and doesnt seem to change his approach for the situation – besides from the ball he hit over garrett andersons head i cant remember a big hit he hag gotten. OK- I AM DONE VENTING NOW. SORRY

    • Zach

      “when hughes was starting and cervelli was catching we were winning more. ”

      thats like saying i picked my nose yesterday so we won. what does hughes starting have to do with CC, AJ, Andy? When Posada was out we had Cash on our roster and we were winning, maybe we should bring him back.

      • josh

        hughes was going deeper into games than wang which has a cummulitve effect on the team. way more so than picking your nose. i would rather have cervelli and cash ( molina when he is healthy) behind the plate and posada dh’ing.

  • raysam

    It is time to stop being nice if cervilli makes us better let him do more of the catching .I hope matsui and daon are gone next year.we definitely need another starting pitcher and anotyer slugger is matt halliday availble next year or we can go get jason bey eho ia freeagent next year.

    • Charlie

      most people speak english here at this site

      • josh

        i wish we all had your typing and spelling skills charlie. a bit of you articulation and eloquence would be nice to

        • Charlie

          yea, but his last two posts were ridiculous run on sentences with strange ideas and no thought whatsoever put into them

          • josh

            i am really fucking frustrated with this team right now. the lack of stability makes me want to blame everything on girardi and eiland with a bit of cashman sprinkled on top. fire them all

  • Bryan

    I got to watch the game from the legends suite seats today because my dads firm got tickets from the Yankees, and I have to say, they are really, really nice, but there’s no way im paying 1,000 for them.

  • Zach

    unhittable delcarmen gives up another run

  • BigBlueAL

    If anyone cares good fight on HBO right now, Miguel Cotto vs Joshua Clottey from MSG.

  • josh

    i really was looking forward to cc and wang going 7 or 8 like every night. aj doing about the same. thatwould give pettitte the oportunity to pitch 5 or 6 and joba to work through some inconsistancies. this pitching staff has really sucked all season. every single one of them has underperformed – even cc, although not by much, and rivera. i thought that was gonna be our strength this year. who is to blame – i think the coaches. i was very happy to see girardi and eiland replace torre and guidrey. i was wrong. someone please talk me off this ledge

  • raysam

    It may be time to think of a trade for a rightfieder swisher is a bench player at best.

    • Andy Stankiewicz

      I agree 100%

    • http://theyankeeuniverse.com Moshe Mandel

      Yup. The guy who is 3rd in all of baseball in OPS at his position and middle of the pack or better in every defensive metric is a bench guy. That guy needs to go. He’s the real problem.