What’s eating Jorge Posada?

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When Jorge Posada left the game on May 4 after grabbing his hamstring, it looked like the Yanks were in trouble. They’d just dropped their fourth straight contest to the Red Sox and were sitting at just 13-12. With Alex Rodriguez already out of the lineup, the Yanks could ill-afford to lose Jorge. Yet that was the result. He’d strained his hamstring and would have to spend at least two weeks — perhaps longer — on the disabled list. Things were not looking good.

The outlook did not improve over the next three days, as the Yanks dropped yet another to the Sox before losing two straight to the Rays. The team had lost five straight and all three without their starting catcher. Fortunately, Alex Rodriguez returned the next day and the Yanks started to pick up some games. Even counting the three losses prior to A-Rod‘s return, the Yankees went 14-8 in Jorge’s absence.

Excitement percolated when he returned to the lineup on May 29. The lineup wasn’t quite complete — Melky Cabrera was sitting out after hurting his shoulder in Texas, but he’d ben slumping anyway and Brett Gardner was starting to come on. Adding Posada’s bat figured to be huge. He was, after all, hitting .312/.402/.584 at the time. That’s middle of the order production, and the Yanks were already getting monster contributions from their mid-order bats, A-Rod and Mark Teixeira.

For the first week and a half of Jorge’s return, things went swimmingly. They went 7-3 and had lost by two runs twice and one run once. Jorge wasn’t quite his old self — he was 9 for 34 in that span, with a double, three homers, and three walks — but he was still hitting with power. Plus, the team was winning. So nothing to complain about, right? At the time, not so much. Lately, though, Jorge has not been Jorge.

From the start of the Boston series on June 9 through last night, Jorge has gone 7 for 36 with one double, one homer, and five walks: .194/.293/.306. In other words, he’s been a big part of the Yanks offensive woes of late. That’s a shame, of course, because he potentially adds so much. If he’s going right he can hit fifth, right behind A-Rod, and create one mean 3-4-5 combo.

The good news is that Jorge won’t carry a .499 OPS through the rest of the season. He’ll come out of this funk, like all good hitters do. I know there hasn’t been much to hang our hats on lately, but if we can reach for one thing, it’s that the offense is just bound to turn it around. Hitters this good don’t fall off a cliff mid-season and stay there.


For more on Posada, I urge you to check out Mark Feinsand’s article on him from today’s Daily News. He also has some additional Q&A on his blog.

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  • http://theyankeebomber.blogspot.com Conan

    So Jorge was so pumped up by his critics he went and got himself a Golden Sombrero last night.

    Hip, Hip, Jorge?

  • A.D.

    Just seems as if everyone has gotten cold together hitting during this stretch

    • Bill R

      But how is this possible for a few EVERYONE to magically go into a slump? You would think at least someone would still be hitting but no everyone sucks.

      • A.D.

        Gardner is hitting

        But yeah, bit crazy

        • Bill R

          I wouldn’t call .242 or 7 for 17 in the last 10 games “hitting”

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            I wouldn’t call .242 or 7 for 17 in the last 10 games “hitting”

            7 for 17 in the last 10 games is .411. You wouldn’t call that “hitting”?

            And, where do you get .242 from? Gardner’s putting up a .285/.361/.401 (101+) on the year. Who’s hitting .242?

            • Bill R

              that’s what 7 for 17 is unless my math is off

              • Bill R

                yup i guess i missed something when i was doing the math haha

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                Your math is off. Way off.

              • Jake K.

                Math fail.

              • Bill R

                Calculators have ruined my ability to do math in my head

  • steve s

    It was disgraceful that Posada didn’t even try to run to first after the ball got away on 4th K last night. Girardi should have been in his face when he got back to the dugout a la Martin and Reggie. The country-club attitude of the current players needs to get turned-around fast; if Girardi can’t do it get someone in there who will.

    • MattG

      You realize that the ball bounced up the first base line, where the catcher picked it up? Posada would’ve had to bowl him over. There was nothing disgraceful about it.

    • Zach

      So veterans dont like Girardi, but Joe getting in Jorge’s face is going to improve that?

      • Jamal G.

        Someone starting a rumor saying veterans don’t like Girardi now makes it a fact?

        • Zach

          I’m not saying its fact. But you have people complaining vetereans dont like him, then you have people saying its too country club and Girardi needs to be getting in the players’ faces, etc. You cant have it both ways

      • JP

        We need a thread on this, Joe, Ben, and Mike: is there a problem with Girardi and the veteran players?

        • rzg

          “We need a thread on this, Joe, Ben, and Mike: is there a problem with Girardi and the veteran players?

          How in the world would anyone on this blog know if there’s a problem? Anyone would only be writing off the top of their head or pulling something out of an orifice.

          • A.D.

            I gotta agree, we don’t need a thread on that it just redic speculation.

    • A.D.

      Would have I liked him to run, sure, but given the catcher was standing between him and first with the ball, I get the desire not to, top that off with he’s had leg problems, and needs to go get his gear back on, it wasn’t as big a deal as some people might make it out.

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

    He needs more urine.

    • MattG

      Its not the fact that he DOES pee on his hands that bothers me. Its that I don’t know what he does next.

      What does one do right after they’ve just purposely peed on their own hands?

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

        Here’s a good question: does he pee right on his hands, or does he soak them in a bucket of urine?

        Enjoy your lunch.

        • UWS

          Pfft, you’re gonna have to do better than that to gross me out!

          • jsbrendog

            interesting…

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              UWS is a very kinky girl. The kind you don’t take home to mother.

              • radnom

                You obviously never met jsbrendog’s mother….

                • jsbrendog

                  JSBRENDOG MANTOOTH IS A SAINT!

              • UWS

                Depends on mother.

              • Anyone
                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  That would have been a waste of three minutes and fifty-eight seconds of my life had I watched the whole thing.

                  I bailed twenty seconds in. I don’t think I’ll regret it.

          • John

            like finding a looong hair in your food

            • http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/413671602_daded72a81_m.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

              Better than a short hair.

              • UWS

                I was going to say the same thing.

                Now that would be gross.

              • BklynJT

                Awesome. Found me one of those the other day.

      • Chris

        Personally, I would immediately wash my hands.

        Of course that negates the effects of the pee.

        • Zach

          Maybe he uses the hand dryer to soak in the urine

          • Riddering

            Well, at least that’s more environmentally friendly than running water and using paper towels!

            • JP

              No I think there’s actually more greenhouse gas generated by the hair dryer. Someday people will be talking about the Prius Fallacy. Mark my word.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                Someday people will be talking about the Prius Fallacy. Mark my word.

                Alright, let’s hear it.

                • radnom

                  I’m not sure what if this is what he is refering to..but you have to drive a hybrid >150k miles (or something around there) to start actually saving energy if you consider what does into making the batteries on the thing.

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

                  That, radnom, is not a true figure. It’s not that high.

                • JP

                  A group at the Oak Ridge National Lab was trying to create a model to study the environmental impact of a fleet of electric vehicles, as opposed to gasoline ones. Generating electricity in our conventional way creates greenhouse gas…you are simply shifting the site of generation from individual cars to a power plant.

                  The use of the Prius is a bad example because it uses the motion of the wheels and the gas engine component to charge the batteries, but there is the issue of the energy involved in making the more expensive, technologically more complex car.

                  Some people are advancing the theory that it is actually more efficient to have fleets of small, efficient, gas-powered vehicles, rather than mass transit systems which are underutilized, or high tech electric vehicles.

                  I was being provocative by saying “mark my word,” but the take home message is that the assumption that electric vehicles are better for the planet in terms of net greenhouse gas emissions, is not proven, by any stretch.

                • radnom


                  That, radnom, is not a true figure. It’s not that high.

                  I did give a disclaimer that I didn’t know what the true figure was, I just remember it being surprisingly high.

                  Do you know what it is?

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  but you have to drive a hybrid >150k miles (or something around there) to start actually saving energy if you consider what does into making the batteries on the thing.

                  The stories that the Prius batteries are environmentally costly or damaging all stems from a report by an auto industry thinktank called CNW Marketing Research from 2005.

                  That report has now been universally debunked and ridiculed as full of factual errors and exaggerations. The report is bullshit.

                  http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/6/22/745746/-Post-Promotes-Debunked-Deception-re-Hummers-vs-Prius-

                • Chris

                  The advantage of shifting green house gas emissions to power generation facilities is that those provide a much smaller group of emission points that can then be regulated – for example you could do carbon sequestration on a power plant but not on the thousand cars that would be powered by it.

                • JP

                  Naturally we can trust the daily kos to give us an unbiased and fair look at an issue related to the green movement. They wouldn’t engage in any exaggerations or fact supression.

                • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

                  boil down the argument:

                  making batteries is bad for the environment…unless you make them out of beer…

                  prius=batteries=/=beer.

                  BOTTOM LINE:
                  =/=beer IS BAD!!!

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  I gave you the DK link because they rounded up the various debunkings of the study in one convenient place.

                • radnom

                  That aside TSJC, there is clearly a point where the benefit of driving a hybrid outweighs the initial environmental cost of manufacturing it.

                  Is it 1 mile or 100000 miles? I don’t know, and i’m actually not sure anyone does that wants to talk about it.


                  Lifetime energy usage
                  The British Government and British media have requested Toyota release detailed figures for the energy use and CO2 emissions resulting from the building and disposal of the Prius. The UK Government Car Service runs 130 Priuses. Toyota has not supplied the detailed data they requested to support claims that the lifetime energy usage of the Prius (including the increased environmental cost of manufacture and disposal of the nickel-metal hydride battery) are outweighed by lower lifetime fuel consumption.[99] Toyota states that lifetime CO2 saving is 43 percent.

                  Without the actual data, its all about whos word you want to believe. I think it is higher than most people would realize, but still beneficial in the end.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Oh, most definitely, there’s a window of how many miles you need to drive a hybrid to offset the additional greenhouse gases created to manufacture the additional hybrid parts used in it.

                  But that 150 K figure is way too high. Because the cost estimations for those hybrid parts were wildly overstated by groups opposed to hybrid car sales.

                  Also, you have to factor in the opportunity cost of how many less non-hybrid parts are being created for non-hybrid cars that are no longer being bought or driven by people who are buying and driving those Priuses, and how much less greenhouse gases are being emitted by those non-hybrids not being on the road.

                  If you really want to save the planet, though, try being a hypermiler. Those people who buy tiny cars (hybrid or no) and drive around everywhere at 20 mph and don’t run the heater or AC and junk.

                  http://money.cnn.com/2006/05/01/Autos/driving_for_mpg/index.htm

                • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

                  Kia Rio @ 11k w/35mpg
                  Prius @ 22k w/50mpg

                  …you gotta drive a lot of miles to make back that money!

                  …or if gas goes back to $5 a gallon, not so many.

                  petro-optimism fail. :(

                • JP

                  You said it, fruitless.

                  We used to have 40-50 mpg gasoline powered cars, and they were cheap.

                  But government safety standards and such made producing those cars impossible.

                  Once they mandate the clean, putt putt cars, and get gas at $5/gallon, they’ll have effectively taxed the middle and lower classes more than any break they give them in the income tax code

    • Jamal G.

      Heh, just as disgusting as ever.

    • MattG

      Thinking this through, so help me out here…

      Jorge doesn’t wear batting gloves, instead, he pees on his hands…

      Batting gloves are made of leather, coming from cows. This should probably please PETA…

      Is there an ad campaign in there? Pee for PETA? You can’t spell PETA without PEE?

      Potential, no?

    • JP

      Medically, urea is used as a skin softener. I don’t get how it helps a player to pee on his hands. It’d be better for his wife to pee on her hands…for softness.

      • JP

        Correction: skin moisturizer, which leads to softness. (Judging by how he blocks balls in the dirt, though, I’d say the soft hands thing ain’t working. [rimshot]).

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Medically, urea is used as a skin softener. I don’t get how it helps a player to pee on his hands.

        It doesn’t. That’s what makes the “Jorge Posada pees on his hands” meme all the funnier. It does the exact opposite of what he purports it to do.

        Posada claims he pees on his hands to toughen them up. What toughens his hands up is using a wooden bat with no gloves. Peeing on his hands keeps his hands from OVERtoughening… so it helps. But not in the way he thinks it helps.

        Baseball players aren’t always the sharpest knives in the drawer.

        • Billy

          wait, so it DOESNT harden your hands? …

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            No. It doesn’t. Not remotely.

            Urea, found in urine, is also found in a great many lotions and moisturizers. Urine softens the skin. This is settled medical fact.

  • JeffG

    What’s eating Jorge Posada? – Perhaps that guy in KC really is banging his wife… maybe she’s leaving pecuase his hands smell?

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      You mentioned Jorge Posada’s wife Laura.

      I am now contractually obligated to post this link.

      http://umpbump.com/press/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/laura_posada_regis1.jpg

      • JP

        Wow those are some huge ears there.

      • John

        i knew that was the pic when I saw you posted a link

      • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

        …so that’s what $52.4MM looks like?

        not too shabby…

        you keep peein on those hands jorge!!!

  • JP

    Maybe this is the year age has caught up with him and he hits 12 homers and slugs .450.

    I hope not.

    • ChrisS

      Could be. Age is a cruel bitch.

      You never know when you’re going to wake up and throw your back out just getting out of bed.

      It’s the risk (outside of injuries) associated with older players. Some age gracefully, some hit just fine until they retire, and others fall off a cliff.

      I think most of the team just hit a slump at the same time. Add in the nagging injuries associated with (very good) veteran players and it’s a poor couple of a weeks.

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      If Jorge hit only 12 homers but still managed to slug .450, that’d be pretty good.

  • John

    It sucks that everyone went cold at once

    • Hova

      That’s what’s so mind blowing. The offense just turned off all at once. What statistic can explain something like that? So frustrating. And that stupid Red Sux lead continues to grow.

      • Bill R

        The only LOGICAL explanation is the curse has truly been reversed!

  • Billy

    im not really concerned with posada’s offense – he can still rake. he’s just going through a slump, and i can pretty much guarantee that his numbers at the end of the year will be the same or better than his career numbers, barring injury of course

    • JP

      I’d say that at age 38 it’s a pretty safe bet his season numbers will be the same or worse than his career averages, and definitely worse if he has more injury issues.

      • Billy

        posada should not really be a concern. arod is probably more of a concern. his range at third seems diminished and his average has dissappeared since surgery

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        I’d say that at age 38 it’s a pretty safe bet his season numbers will be the same or worse than his career averages, and definitely worse if he has more injury issues.

        Hmmm…. maybe we should find a way to reduce his risk for injuries and lessen the wear and tear on his body accumulated through the course of a grueling 162 game season.

        If only there was a way to have him only play half of the game, the hitting half… if only…

        • Billy

          i think girardi is playing it safe with posada’s games at catcher. boy, i would hate to be the manager that tells jorge he’s not catching anymore

          • Mike HC

            The manager-player dynamic/relationship between Jorge and Girardi must be interesting. Posada was the young guy who took Girardi’s job right in the midst of the Yanks WS run. Girardi was the defense first, intangible type of catcher, while Jorge was the hitting first type of guy. Now Girardi is managing, and fans have been clamoring to remove the defensively challenged Jorge for the defensive first, intangible type of catcher. It would be interesting to get inside of Girardi’s head to see his true feelings.

            • Billy

              the stuff that goes on in that brain ….

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

              Can we clarify something? Fans who have an irrational dislike of Jorge have been clamoring for that move. No one should actually be advocating for more Cervelli over Jorge Posada, and you can bet that Girardi knows that.

              • Billy

                why not? hes better defensively than jorge, and jorge has been better offensively than matsui. matsui has thrived in the pinch hit role this year as well. im not advocating a complete replacement, i just want me some more cervelli

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

                  Because Francisco Cervelli will be a blackhole of suck in the lineup. He’ll just be making out after out to such an extent that his defense won’t compensate for it.

                  Posada — like most of the lineup — is slumping. Just give it some time before pressing the panic button.

                • Billy

                  all he has done is hit so far. i understand its in a limited role, but hits are hits. and im not pressing the panic button, im on the record as saying posada’s just goin through a slump

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  .288/.300/.322 (65+)

                  That’s what Cervelli’s done so far.

                  If that’s “hitting”, then Laura Posada has small breasts.

                • Billy

                  he’s also been great defensively and is very well liked

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  The “being great defensively” helps, but probably not enough to justify a 65 OPS+.

                  The “being well liked” and five bucks will buy you a cup of coffee.

                • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

                  wait…weren’t you just saying Jorgie should dh…if he dh’s, its either cervelli or joe behind the plate…

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Next year.

                  Next year, my friend. I’m always thinking of both the present and the future.

              • Mike HC

                I have been one of Jorge’s biggest fans and supporters. I don’t think Girardi believes Cervelli should replace Jorge at catcher, but I would be interested to see if Girardi would prefer a defense first catcher, considering that is how he played the game.

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

                  That’s how he played the game because he couldn’t hit. I’m sure Girardi appreciates the value of Jorge.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Bingo.

                  For the record, my comment about Jorge moving to DH was intended for NEXT YEAR, not this year.

              • JP

                Ben, this is a question you can’t properly answer by pointing to prior years’ stats.

                It’s a judgement call, as to whether, by DHing him, you are potentially helping, or saving Jorge’s legs, shoulders, back, etc., so that he can hit well later in the year, and hopefully, the playoffs. Or, at least, that he can be feeling well all year and stay as productive as possible all season.

                Nobody doubts that Posada/Cervelli is inferior to Posada/Matsui, in terms of historical trends, or even in a snapshot of current production. The thing we can’t know is, will we lose Posada and/or Matsui entirely, due to injury or fatigue, given their respective ages, and the stress of playing daily. This is why you consider writing off a little bit of offense and letting Cervelli play.

                Any benefit you might get from the pitching staff is gravy.

                • Mike HC

                  you gotta make the playoffs first. The Yanks getting to the postseason used to be a gimme, but not anymore. If the keep focusing on the postseason, they may never get there. Worry about the playoffs after you make it.

                • JP

                  Yes, but the big gorilla in the room is that Jorge and Matsui have been AWOL, offensively, during this slump, as have all the players. We wouldn’t have lost anything by playing Cervelli more (admittedly, this is a bad example because they’ve been interleague games, and no DH…but the principle is there).

                  Look, I’m not saying I know it’s the correct move to rest Posada and Matsui. For all I know, maybe sitting them could make them worse, by letting them stiffen up or something.

                  What I am trying to do here, as I usually do, and usually in vain, is point out to all you abacus-toting, sliderule packing, fangraph spooging stat-heads is that, occasionally, you must rationally consider things outside of the realm of performance metrics.

                • Mike HC

                  You got me figured all wrong JP. I am not a nerdy stat head. I take all the information into account. I’m not the biggest fan of those stats and numbers where I have no clue how they came to that conclusion/number. Or the formula is so complicated I can’t really follow. I like the obvious ones, like BA, OBP and Slug. I judge defense with my own two eyes and not UZR. I try to look at those stats and see if they support or contradict my own thoughts, and work from there. It would be ignorant to dismiss and make fun of those stats.

                • JP

                  Sorry, don’t mean to paint you with too broad a brush, and maybe I didnt’ read your comments closeley enough. But the near-worship level at which metrics are held around here frequently stifles meaningful debate.

        • Mike HC

          The problem with Jorge right now is his hitting. The Yankees have improved in run prevention in June, but has slumped hitting. Moving Jorge to the DH would not have helped. It would have just added another below average hitter to an already slumping lineup.

          • Billy

            its not really a problem for jorge, its a slump. but when the whole team slumps, its a problem. from my view of things, nick swisher is hurting the yankees offensively. he either walks or strikes out. he doesnt hit for a high enough average. i think nady coming back should help the yanks, considering how much of a force he was last year. remember, this is his money year, and he’ll be eager to prove himself after the injury. i think nady should take a lot of swish’s playing time, presuming he can throw

            • Mike HC

              Swish is slug .500 in June and hitting .267. He is slugging .493 on the year. He has not been a problem offensively. He does strike out and walk a lot, but when he hits, he hits for power. Nady will get playing time when he returns healthy, but he should not take all the time away from Swish.

              • Billy

                a sub .250 average always hurts. he’s on one of his hot streaks right now, but he will be back to the swisher of late may soon enough

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

                  a sub .250 average always hurts.

                  If it comes with a .375 OBP and a .493 SLG, no, it doesn’t.

                • Billy

                  it would hurt more if it didnt, but it still hurts

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

                  Who’s it hurting? You? It’s not hurting the team. Nick Swisher has been a huge net positive for the Yanks this year.

                • Billy

                  its hurting me and the yanks. he carried us early, but he hasnt been close to his april since then

                • Mike HC

                  He has been one the Yanks best hitters in June. He is slugging .500 for the month. You cannot expect him to slug .714 every month, which is what he slugged in April. If that is your standard, then every player in baseball is in a slump.

                • Billy

                  slugging isnt the only offensive stat is it? how about average

                • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

                  Nick Swisher is OPSing .897 in June.

                  And, no, slugging isn’t the only offensive stat but Swisher has a great eye and some pop, which is much more valuable than average.

        • JP

          I know…I’m struggling with the same crisis….too bad we don’t have a good, energetic, well-liked and respected defensive replacement for him.

          On a related note, I’m getting up from my desk to go pee, and I think I’m going to do it in a stall instead of a urinal, and I’m going to try peeing on my hands.

          I’ll give y’all a progress report shortly.

          • JP

            It’s official:

            I’m now a member of La Sociedad de Las Manos Amarillas de Jorge.

            If anyone wants deets, and if the moderators don’t object to this slight off topic diversion, I’m happy to oblige.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              I’m speechless. I am without speech.

              • JP

                I’m a pathologist. On a daily basis, I cut up organs that are removed from people by surgeons, and I do several autopsies per year.

                Peeing on my hands is only slightly more objectionable than, say, taking the trash out and having the bag leak on my hand.

                So, do you want to know what it was like?

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  No, I’m good. Thanks, though.

                • JP

                  lol

                • JP

                  Do you hold your pinkie in the air when holding a coffee cup, tsjc?

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  I’m just still in shock that you actually pissed on your hands… and claimed to like it.

                • JP

                  I didn’t give any information on the experience, other than to compare it to having a garbage bag leak on me, so I don’t know how you got the idea I liked it.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Fair enough. And please. far be it from be to stop you from sharing your opinions and insights.

                  Just know that by peeing on your hands, INTENTIONALLY AND WILLFULLY, you’ve now put yourself in the RAB pantheon of “interesting personal behavior” right next to the illustrious pat.

                • JP

                  Or, true blue (mellow yellow?) fan.

                  I’m not going to spill (heh) just for the sake of hearing myself talk. I’m not that much of a drip (heh).

                  There will have to be more interested voices coming forward before I divulge the full expereience.

  • Mike HC

    Somebody on this team has to start hitting again. It seems like the Yanks have been heavily carried by one or two guys in the beginning of the year and during this slump, there has not been that one dominating guy. Swish and Cano were raking in April, as were Jeter and Teix in May. The hitters have not been getting the job done in June.

    Everybody criticizes Posada for his D, but run prevention has not been their issue in June. I hope Posada is not injured or “fatigued,” but is playing through it. If he needs more rest, the Yanks have capable back ups, and his bat will be huge for the stretch run.

    • Billy

      all arod does is walk or make an out. im not criticizing him, im actually concerned he’s declining.

      • Mike HC

        Although I’m not sure you meant to reply to my post, I will reply to you anyway. A-Rod is a month short of turning 34, and is coming off hip surgery, which he may or may not need to get another procedure done in the off season. His decline is inevitable at this point. At his peak he was maybe the best player to ever play the game stat wise, so even if he does decline, it would not be to the level he is hitting at now. Once he recovers fully from the injury, shakes the rust off and gets all of his stamina back, he should still be able to perform at an all star level.

        • Billy

          i meant to say he’s mor concerning than jorge. albert pujols and babe ruth say hi.

          • Mike HC

            ha … Yea, a bunch of different players may also say hi, like Barry Bonds. I said he “may” be the best stat wise. He is at least in the argument.

        • Billy

          plus his best strecth of statistical years is tainted, but this post is not about arod, so i should stop talking about him

          • Chris

            Actually, his best 3 year stretch came as a Yankee from 2005-2007. It’s pretty close but 2005-2007 wins by a nose.

            2000-2002: .311/.403/.618/1.021 OPS+: 160
            2001-2003: .305/.395/.615/1.011 OPS+: 155 (Texas years)
            2005-2007: .309/.412/.593/1.005 OPS+: 161

      • A.D.

        He might be declining, but a declined A-Rod isn’t this A-Rod

        • Bo

          Maybe he just had surgery on his hip and probably shouldn’t be playing.

          Good thing they covered their bases with UTL infielders like Ransom and Berroa just in case.

          • Hova

            I really hope the Yankees realize that they can’t keep handing out these 10 year mega contracts to guys who have already passed their peak. That is financial lunacy.

            I shudder at the thought of the contract the Yankees plan on giving Jeter.

            • Mike HC

              If we didnt have A-Rod, or Jeter, or Posada, or Teix, who would be playing those positions. Optimally the Yanks would not have to do that, but the alternative is far worse.

            • JP

              The 10 year ARod contract was, believe it or not, a fiscal decision for the Yankees. They were gambling, yes, but they knew that even though they’d be overpaying for declining performance in the last 3-4 years of his contract, it would be offset by the added revenue of having the all-time homerun leader be a Yankee. Merchandising, etc.

              It’s the same reason they gave Jeter such a long contract, although obviously in his case it’s not nearly as egregious an overpayment or overlength situation.

              They’ll be sure to lock up Jeter for his 3,000th hit as a Yankee, and don’t be surprised if they want him for longer, thinking he might want to try for 4,000 hits.

              • Chris

                I tend to agree with your take. As long as A-Rod follows a typical decline path, the contract will make more money for the Yankees than it cost.

                Of course, if he pulls and Albert Belle on us, then we’re screwed.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Good thing they covered their bases with UTL infielders like Ransom and Berroa just in case.

            Just when I think you’re starting to improve as a commenter and actually engaging in meaningful dialogue and bringing up cogent points without resorting to annoying petty nonsensical quasi-criticisms, you go and do something like that and revert right back to jerky nihilistic backbiting.

            The reason there weren’t good players backup up ARod is because NO GOOD PLAYERS WERE REASONABLY AVAILABLE. We’ve discussed this, Bo. You can’t just have multiple great players on the bench. It’s impossible.

            Would I have liked to trade for Adrian Beltre or have signed Mark Grudzeilanek? Yes. Was it a pipedream? Yes. Did I move on? Yes.

            • Mike HC

              I definitely think it is far to criticize the Yanks for not having a better util infielder. Jeter and A-Rod are older and are more open to injuries. It is fair to think the Yanks should have done a better job with the backup infielder. I’m not saying it would be easy to get one, or that they would not have had to plan ahead for the past couple of years, but the Yanks clearly overlooked that part of the team.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                No, it’s not clear that they overlooked that part of the team. What’s clear is that we didn’t improve that part of the team.

                It’s not necessarily the case that we weren’t trying. People continually bash Cashman for failing to improve this or that, but when you ask them for concrete examples of what should have been done, it’s http://www.instantcrickets.com .

                Quality backup infielders don’t grow on trees, and even the Yankees have a budget. I would have loved to have traded for Mike Cameron, but acquiring Cameron apparently would have cost us either Andy Pettitte or Mark Teixeira.

                • Mike HC

                  I’m a fan and I am not paid to research how the Yanks could or should have had a better UTIL infielder. Being a GM is not easy and takes time and skill.

                  I think Cashman has done a fine job, but if there is an area where we didn’t get the job done, it is util infielder. A small role, but still a role. You have to look at team construction over the past five years or so. The front office should know exactly who will be under contract for the 2009 season about 3 years ago. If they chose to not care that much, or if they though Ransom/Pena/Berroa was the answer, then they made the wrong move.

                  You argue that it was IMPOSSIBLE to find a better Util infielder than what we have now. That cannot be true. You cannot be serious that you think over the past 2 or 3 years there have been aces and monster hitters available, but no back up infielders. Come on.

  • Hova

    Jorge needs to walk into the dugout with his 4 world series rings on and tell everyone to shut the fcuk up. He is the bonafide alpha dog leader of this team. He’s struggled this season, but he’s 38 and coming off serious surgery.

    I don’t care how much better Cervelli has looked (ERA with pitchers, saving wild pitches, etc.), I’ll take a lineup with Posada and Matsui over Cervelli and Matsui/Posada anytime.

    • JP

      Um, I think Jorge does that, literally or figuratively, all the time. I wonder if that attitude hurts the Yankees.

      • http://myspace.com/lincolnsworld Link

        I’d like to think yes it does…

    • Mike HC

      That is the attitude Jorge has to have in his own head. I’m not sure that is what he should be outwardly displaying though.

  • Billy

    i think all of us can agree that jorge is due for a hot streak, which will probably be very soon

    • Mike HC

      yea, I am on board with that. The entire team is ready for a hot streak.

      • A.D.

        And when that happens, BAM, 10 game winning streak

        • Billy

          yep, and first place

        • Billy

          the red sox are hot right now, but that should change soon. its gonna seesaw like that all season – red sox hot, yankees hot, red sox 1st place, yankees 1st place. hopefully at the end of the season we’re at the right end of the seesaw. if we’re not, we’ll still be the wild card

          • JP

            The Yankees have been very cold. Will the Red Sox go COLD, really COLD? That is the $100 question.

            • Chris

              They don’t need to. There are still 92 games left, so if the Yankees play well, then there is plenty of time to overtake the Sox.

        • Chris

          The problem is that fans won’t start feeling happy until they’ve won 4 in a row. They’ll have growing optimism over the next few games, which will peak with a feeling that “Maybe the Yanks are a pretty good team” after they win their 10th in a row. Then the Yankees lose one and everyone is back to thinking how much the Yankees suck.

          • JP

            For years, the Yankees would take first place, and stay there most of the season. It was becasue they had the better team then. Now, Boston does this. Or the Rays.

            I know it’s a long season, I know that pessimism is misguided for a team even 7 games over .500. But in the end, wins are wins, and by that ultimate criterion, the Yankees are playing like the second or 3rd best team in the division, not the best. Close, maybe, for a while, but overall, no…and we’re almost half way into the season.

  • Dylan

    Veras to Cleveland for cash considerations..

  • Makavelli

    One singles hitter hitting .411 or one guy having an OPS over .897 isn’t going to cut it. We don’t dish out $209 million dollars a year so one or two guys can perform and be the answers for people who take things too literally. The team isn’t hitting. They never really hit with RISP anyway. Not just this year but for the past couple years.

    The problem here is that everybody is looking for the fantasy stats. Arod has great fantasy stats. Every year he does just enough to make the back of his baseball cards look incredible while doing just little enough to not help his team win when they’re depending on him in a certain situation or point in time. Everybody is doing what they can to keep their numbers decent but without actually contributing the way they should.

    Then on the other side of the diamond you see the Red Sox where nobody is really blowing anybody away offensively besides Jason Bay. Their #3 hitter was hitting around the Alex Rodriguez Line for most of the season. They just get the big hits when they are needed. They know what they have to do. And that’s what this ball club has been missing over there years. Where the 90’s dynasty didn’t have all batting title caliber players, these were guys who knew how to win. They had heart and they had grit. The Red Sox players have that now. The Yankees don’t have this. It’s a bunch of careless multi-millionaires taking hacks for the sake of their reputation. Not because they necessarily HAVE to contribute.

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      Another one of these posts? Ugh.

  • George G.

    I’m wondering if Johan was tipping his pitches and the Yankees caught on. It happened to the team a couple years back where they lit someone up because they caught him tipping and then they couldn’t hit the ball worth a damn for the next several games. Once you start “cheating” on the at-bat, you get out of the groove of simply seeing the ball and hitting the ball and start looking for tips and signs. They’ve been watching fastballs right down the middle of the plate zip right past them.