Yanks homer their way to series victory

SWB falls in bullpen game
Remembering a lost first-round draft pick

It’s not quite a nine-game win streak, but the Yankees have been rolling lately. They snapped the streak while losing two out of three to Philadelphia, but since then have taken two of three from Texas, three out of four from Cleveland, two out of three from Texas again, and two of three from the Rays. A win capped that last series, as the Yanks bats powered them over the Rays, 5-3. They’re now 9-3 since the Philly series, and yes, they’re still atop the AL East.

Looking at the box score, it wouldn’t appear Andy Pettitte pitched badly. And really, he wasn’t bad, in the Hughes-against-the-Orioles kind of way. But he labored yet again, walking three and allowing five hits in six innings. The worst, by a long shot, was a two-run shot to Gabe Kapler, who entered the game hitting a robust .169/.261/.260. YES nominated him for the player of the game, but I believe there’s a statute buried somewhere deep in the MLB rulebook which says no one who surrenders the first homer of the year to a guy hitting on the Interstate shall be awarded player of the game. I’ll look it up sometime.

Pettitte did battle, though, and you can’t really complain about six innings and three runs, especially when they come with seven strikeouts — though six came in the first three innings. The thing that concerns me is that Pettitte will look like this the rest of the season. Sometimes he’ll win his battles as he did tonight, perhaps losing a significant one along the way but generally limiting the damage. There will be games, though, where other teams bomb him. The Yanks have been able to avoid that, for the most part, since it happened a few times in April. It’s been a big part of their turn-around.

Of course, there’s little the team can do about it. They could put him on the DL to give his back a rest, and that might be the best decision from a team standpoint. Clearly, that’s not what Andy wants to do. He’s got innings-based incentives in his contract. Combined with considerable pride, and you have a guy who is going to insist on taking the ball every five days. Generally I respect this mentality. However, it’s different when it involves being sick than when it involves being injured. I’m not saying Pettitte must go on the DL, but I am saying that if Pettitte’s next five starts are going to resemble his last five, perhaps a two week vacation could do him some good.

Pettitte and the bullpen kept the team in the game, and the offense delivered on their end of the deal. It was once again a homer party for the Yanks, as they scored all five runs on the longball. Mark Teixeira solo job, Swisher with a no-doubt-about-it two-run shot, Johnny Damon with a right-field special, and finally Derek Jeter, after falling just short previously in the game, deposited one in the stands in right. That’s five runs on four homers. Strangely, despite the power surge, the Yankees hit no doubles in the game (neither team did). In fact, the only non-homer hits for the Yanks were an infield single by Swish and a leadoff single by Cano in the second.

The only point of complaint about the offense was that it seemed like they were swinging at too much of Andy Sonnanstine’s out-of-the-zone slop. The guy doesn’t have the greatest stuff, and it looked like he didn’t have his command last night. Those are the games where you’d like to see the Yanks take their walks, but they drew just two. It seemed like they could have had five or six. Worse yet, on the AB after Sonnanstine walked Hideki Matsui on four pitches, Nick Swisher hacked at some pitches you’d normally see him take. The result was a double play. At the time, with the score tied at three, it was horribly frustrating. Upon reflection, yeah, we can’t expect them to be perfect all the time. But when a guy with mediocre stuff isn’t hitting his spots, you’d like to see them take some more of the free passes he’s handing out.

While there were some frustrating moments from Pettitte and even a few from the offense, nothing drew my ire last night like Girardi’s decision to take out Hughes after an 11-pitch seventh inning. He absolutely mowed down the Rays’ 1-2-3 guys, but wasn’t given a chance to pitch a second inning, even though he hadn’t thrown in a week. Instead Phil Coke came out to face the lefty Pena. Girardi explained on the postgame that “it’s Cokey’s job” to get the lefty, but really it’s every pitcher’s job to get outs. Pena does have a pronounced split — .962 OPS vs. righties, .779 vs. lefties — so the decision is at least somewhat defensible. Still, Hughes could have used the work, and it’s not like he did anything to show he couldn’t get Pena (and please, his three career at bats are the definition of meaningless). It’s not the end of the world, and we will not treat it as such. Consider it a mild complaint on behalf of those who want to see Hughes get in some innings, especially when he just tossed a marvelous seventh.

Surprisingly, Mo came out to pitch the ninth for the third straight day. Surprisingly again, but this time in a sarcastic manner, Mo isn’t done. After blowing the game Friday he retired six straight batters and locked down two straight wins. It’s a bit scary a proposition to not have him available for a game in Fenway, but that’s the way it’s gotta be. Would Girardi dare call on Mo for a fourth straight appearance if the Yanks are up one going into the bottom of the ninth? Who else would he call on? Hopefully the Yanks offense can just tee off on Beckett and make it a moot question.

Tomorrow’s quite the big day. Not only are the Yanks in Boston with Beckett vs. Burnett on the hill, but we have the MLB Draft. Stay tuned to RAB, as Mike will bring you the dirt from the draft while Ben and I bow in admiration and cover the rest of the team. Draft question to get everyone warmed up: If Kyle Gibson, Tanner Scheppers, and Aaron Crow are all on the board when the Yanks pick, which one should they choose?

SWB falls in bullpen game
Remembering a lost first-round draft pick
  • http://theyankeeuniverse.com Moshe Mandel

    A few notes:
    1) Made my second trip to the new park tonight, sat grandstand behind the plate. I really dont know what people were complaining about, I felt just as close as in the old park, and the concourses and general feel of the place are excellent. I took my wife, and she loved the changes as well.

    2) Regarding Andy, I thought he pitched pretty well. 2 ER in 6 innings, and he probably could have started the 7th. I’m not sure what people expect from him. I would sign for 3 runs 6 innings from him every time. The problem is getting Wang to pitch like a top 4 guy so that Andy is the 5.

    3) Girardi lied through his teeth about Hughes. I’m willing to bet that he was getting a throw day in, and will be backing up Wang on Wednesday. He can talk about matchups from here until tomorrow, but Hughes pitched one innings so that he will be available Wednesday.

    I’m pretty sure Crow is the better prospect of the three and has fewer injury issues, I would take him.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      3) Girardi lied through his teeth about Hughes. I’m willing to bet that he was getting a throw day in, and will be backing up Wang on Wednesday. He can talk about matchups from here until tomorrow, but Hughes pitched one innings so that he will be available Wednesday.

      I also subscribe to this theory.

      • Chip

        +2

      • Bo

        How is he lying? Do you want the manager to give every piece of strategy away to the other team before they play?

        • LiveFromNewYork

          In that he’s not saying he limited Phil so he can be available on Wednesday if Wang falters. Lying by omission. Of course he’s not going to say “I don’t have a lot of faith in the Wanger so I can’t let Phil throw 2 innings.” Instead he said he went with Coke as a strategy.

        • pat

          What you just said makes no sense. Try again.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

        I can buy it. Doesn’t mean I agree with it.

        I can see the value in having Hughes around to shadow Wang, but they do have Aceves. Hughes had just obliterated Tampa’s 1-2-3 hitters. Strategy 1 says you send him out there again and possibly let him finish the game. Strategy 2 says you limit him to one inning so you can save him. Both have pitfalls, of course. Strategy 1 means he’s probably not available until Thursday. Strategy 2 means he’s subject to the performance of someone else. I’m one for controlling the circumstances, not letting the circumstances control you, so I’m a Strategy 1 guy.

        • Klemy

          We all know that if Wang falters, Girardi will let 4 or 5 runs in before he pulls him in favor of Hughes anyway. So let’s hope the offense is ready to swing the bats. :(

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          However, if I’m Joe Girardi, I’d view Aceves as a 1-2 inning guy able to help me shut a team down in the late innings, and I view Hughes as an extra starter able to come in for Wang at the first sign of trouble in the early innings. Knowing that I still have the Mets game in my pocket, I’m gonna have a super-short leash for Wang against a team he’s struggled against, and I have no qualms lifting Wang in the third inning and giving the rest of the start to Hughes.

          Quite frankly, if I’m Girardi, I’m more comfortable with Hughes being the emergency starter and going 6 IP than I am with Aceves going 6 IP, because I’ve already turned Aceves into a situational reliever and I don’t want to burn him out like that and make him unavailable for the next 3-4 games. I’d rather burn Hughes out and make him unavailable, because that’s the role that best mirrors what he normally does anyway.

        • matthaggs

          I would have either pulled Hughes after one inning like Girardi did, or used him to finish the game, which Girardi would never do barring an offensive outburst.

          He used Rivera for the third straight game, which is fine. But if he uses Hughes for 2 innings last night and Rivera for one, then both Hughes and Rivera are more than likely unavailable tonight. The way Girardi did it the only unavailable guy tonight (probably) is Rivera.

  • J.R.

    Crow seems like the most legit of the three and probably the most polished.

  • Matt-Pitt

    Crow could potentially be the number 2 or 3 pick and fall to the Yanks at number 29. I don’t see how the Yankees pass on that type of talent falling that far to them.

    • anonymous

      Why is Crow going to fall?

      • Matt-Pitt

        I said it in the post below me

        “In KLaw’s mock draft today, he had Crow falling out of the first entirely. He said there is word that team’s are scared of his asking price and he won’t settle for anything less than what he wanted last year.”

        • emiller

          That’s stupid, is this kid planning on never signing with anyone? He won’t refuse to sign for a second year in a row…

          • Matt-Pitt

            Just trying to get some leverage. Truth is, anyone the Yanks draft already holds them by the balls. They know they can’t lose out on this pick, and they will do what they have to too sign em.

  • Andy Stankiewicz

    Is there a chance that Crow can drop to #29? That would be sweet.

    • Matt-Pitt

      In KLaw’s mock draft today, he had Crow falling out of the first entirely. He said there is word that team’s are scared of his asking price and he won’t settle for anything less than what he wanted last year.

      • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

        Speaking of secret wants, wouldn’t baseball love for the Yanks to draft that kind of guy and then publicly support and stick to slot on Thursday?

        Like emiller said, not sign again?

        It’s one pick guys–do it!

  • http://www.teamnerdrage.com leokitty

    Crow I would take without blinking, but Scheppers injury problems really worry me. For all the “Crow is falling!!!” I don’t see him getting past the top 15.

    Mariano says he will be available tomorrow, because if you ask of course he’s doing to say that. Joe G should nip that, though.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

      After tonight, if Mo isn’t available, don’t we all secretly want Phil Hughes closing?

      • Matt-Pitt

        I think it would be awesome to see Hughes closing the game out tomorrow. Long as it isn’t something I see down the line in the kid’s future.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

          Longterm, HE’S A STARTING PITCHAAAAAH

          /Francesca’d.

          • Matt-Pitt

            ::shotguns a diet coke::

      • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

        DUDE!!!

        Why would you even fan that flame?!?!

        Aw…I hope Axl is sleeping…

        But yes, since you asked, and I’d like it to be three innings…

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        After tonight, if Mo isn’t available, don’t we all secretly want Phil Hughes closing?

        I still secretly want Mark Melancon, Brian Bruney, and Damaso Marte closing. While waiting for that, I’m secretly want Al Aceves and Phil Coke closing.

        Who do I not want secretly closing? Phil Hughes. I still secretly want Phil Hughes optioned to Scranton immediately following CMW’s start in Boston.

      • http://votepaulformayor.blogspot.com jsbrendog

        only f its after puiching at least the 7th and 8th as well

  • JGS

    I’m thinking Aceves is the closer tomorrow

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tADvb3yyhwM Slugger27

      Hughes.

      • emiller

        Hughes can’t close tomorrow, he has to pitch the 2nd-7th innings of Wang’s start on Wednesday.

        • Drew

          haha. Except, you=fail. Wang will pitch well. Write that down.

          • emiller

            I’d much rather you be right than me be right on this one… You’ll all excuse me if I have no confidence in this team against Boston until I see them actually win a game. Although it would be fun to hear Francesa have a coronary on air if they lose…

            • JGS

              unless Joba is the closer

              • emiller

                If Joba closes we’ll hear a completely different excited sound from Francesa…

            • Drew

              It’s all about confidence man. Boston is not the Holy Grail that ESPN/Francessa proclaims them to be. Yes, we failed early against them, no Al. Now, we have Al. We are a different team. Chien Ming will rise to his abilities sooner or later, why not root for it to be sooner?

              • emiller

                Oh I know they’re not… they are definitely the most flawed they’ve been in years right now. And I try to remember how close they were to winning those first two games up in Fenway in April. A lucky swing by Bay and an implosion from Burnett with a giant lead. Fluky games really.

            • Tony

              A coronary? Francesa’s has a man crush on Boston – I think he’s gone to the other side. Without the dog – he’s no fun to listen to.

          • Klemy

            I wish I had your faith in Wang this year.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    If the doctors okay his medicals, Scheppers is the guy.

    • cult of basebaal

      but that’s the rub, itn’it … nobody gets to look at the medicals *before* they draft him … and the Yankees aren’t going to get the pick back if they don’t like what they see.

      i’d say there’s NO chance they draft Scheppers, even *if* he’s left on the board when they draft.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        Huh? Teams absolutely get to look at a players medical reports before the draft. They can’t have their own doctors examine him, but they can see everything.

  • Mike HC

    That was a pretty tough game recap after a nice victory. Pettitte, the Yanks 4th or 5th starter. definitely looked like he was pitching through some pain, but he only gave up two earned runs. I will take that kind of start all year long.

    I also assumed Hughes would come out for another inning, but Girardi’s moves worked out, so it is tough to second guess. Swish has been hot, Jeter has continued to hit for power, and Teix is playing out of his mind. The Yanks are on a roll.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

      “but Girardi’s moves worked out, so it is tough to second guess.”

      Yes, but a move is right or wrong at the time you make it. You can make the wrong move and get good results, especially in a random game like baseball. That’s not to say I’m right and Girardi’s wrong. Just making the point.

      • Tony

        lets hope girardi makes many more dumb moves that work out –

      • Klemy

        Wholeheartedly agree with this.

  • emiller

    Gibson is the pick in that situation… Stress fracture is nothing to worry about and he’d be the top pitcher in the draft is Strasburg didn’t exist.

  • Ivan

    Well this is who Andy is at this point of his career rite now. He’s gonna have alot of baserunners and his share hits given up and even homers but he eats innings and at the end of the day u get like u got last night 6 innings of 3 runs. Not spetacular but solid.

    Hughes looked realy good coming out of the pen tonight. I thought he should of pitch a 2nd inning and with the stuff he had tonite (I mean he smoked a FB past Longoria and made him looked silly on a breaking ball) I seriously doubt that Pena or anybody on that nite was gonna touch Hughes.

    As for draft, of the 3 pitchers, personally I rather take Crow. Has the best combo of polish and stuff and reach the bigs rather quickly possibly this season.

    Overall great win from the yanks and hopefully the yanks do well in boston and I think they will. GO YANKEES!!!!!

  • Mike HC

    This seems like a bit of a bitter quote from TB Rays manager Joe Maddon:

    “I just think we didn’t hit enough balls to right-center. There’s a conveyor-belt effect out there,” Rays manager Joe Maddon said. “It’s kind of like a jet stream.”

    Maybe it had nothing to do with the jet stream, and had to do with the Yanks being better tonight.

    • Drew

      He’s a POS whiner. Say’s the stadium isn’t the same, yet, shockingly, same F***ing result! Yankees win, Rays lose.

    • Jamal G.

      Nah, it had everything to do with the smeel. The Rays just didn’t smell victory in the past two games.

      • http://www.teamnerdrage.com leokitty

        I sent am operative in to pee all over the place before yesterday’s game to make it smell like Old Yankee Stadium. It worked!

    • Aclerok

      i was there as far as i could tell wind was blowing in from right and out to left… all the yankees shots looked well out anywhere

    • Klemy

      The power surge Jeter has had, thanks to this new stadium’s carry to right center, we should be calling it a “jeter stream” instead.

  • Jamal G.

    **Awesome Fact: The Yanks have lost just one series since Carl Crawford and Evan Longoria took Mariano Rivera deep in consecutive AB’s to sweep the Yankees in a 2-game set in the Bronx. That one series was against Philadelphia, where the Yanks lost in the 11th inning by one run.

    It’s really amazing that they have lost just one series since that two-game sweep by the hands of Tampa.

    • emiller

      The 11th inning of a game that, by all accounts, they should have won.

  • V

    Of the three, I prefer Gibson as a major leaguer, but I prefer Crow as a future trading chip.

  • Don

    FYI, Posted this on Pete’s blog is response to his lame Coke/Proctor comparison:

    Pete – give the Coke/Proctor comparison a rest for a while. Its not even close at this point.

    Coke had thrown 20 2/3 innings through the end of May. In 2006, Proctor’s zenith year of Torre abuse, he had already thrown 34 innings through the end of May. For nostalgic purposes, lets take a look at Paul Quantrill in 2004 – 30 2/3 IP. Tom Gordon logged 53 total innings through May between 04 and 05. How about Luis Vizcaino you say (another Torre burnout) – 26 innings through May. Lets check out Tanyon Sturtze, to further drill home the point – 23 innings in 2005.

    The numbers just dont add up Pete.

    Quantrill
    Gordon
    Sturtze
    Proctor
    Vizcaino

    In other words, Death Row.

    PS. I went back 1 more year, to 2002.

    Mendoza and Karsay logged 60+ innings between them by the end of May!!!

    Take a look at the careers of all of these guys after Torre was through with them, they were never the same.

    Its probably too thorough for that audience, but I wanted the drone to take a glance at it.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

      Some of those innings totals are simply astounding.

      • Don

        Unreal, almost criminal in the baseball world, especially in the colder months of April and May.

        Its actually quite a nice ‘pen if you had them all together in their peak year.

      • Ivan

        Word. I mean I look at those IP totals and they are just not real. Yet, we thought Girardi over worked Coke.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

          I mean, hell, look at 2002. Through June 8, 2002, Karsay had already thrown 39.1 innings. Phil Coke’s one inning last night pushed his total up to 23.1 this year. I’ll “Relievers Who Are Not Overworked” for $600.

          • Jamie

            Astounding? I’d go for asinine if you ask me.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            I’ll take “Relievers Who Are Not Overworked” for $600.

            I’ll take “The Penis Mightier” for 400, Trebek.

      • Drew

        Maybe I’m overstepping my bounds here but… crux of the steroid era… Maybe Joe wasn’t over-zealous as much as these guys were just able to throw more often?

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

          The injuries to Karsay, Proctor and Sturtze would tend to prove otherwise.

          • Drew

            Afterward yes. In the moment, these guys were good to go every day, ERA’s and other stats speak to that. I did not follow the Yanks in those years as closely as you did and as much I do now, I’m just trying to defend Joe.

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

              Defending Joe Torre’s post-2001 bullpen usage patterns is a Sisyphean task. “Not good” is how we’ve long described the way he over-utilized some relievers and under-utilized others.

              • Don

                Well said Ben.

                Torre played in a large role in prematurely ending the careers/significantly diminishing the performance of all those relievers in the immediate years that followed.

                • Bo

                  Why does Torre keep getting blamed for ruining all these below average mediocre pitchers? Cant he get credit for actually making them effective pitchers when their track records said otherwise?

                  Does he get credit for keeping the greatest ever healthy and effective? If you’re going to rip him for arm troubles for scrubs you may want to credit him for keeping Mo healthy and able.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Why does Torre keep getting blamed for ruining all these below average mediocre pitchers? Cant he get credit for actually making them effective pitchers when their track records said otherwise?

                  Had their track records actually said they were below average and mediocre, and that he made them effective, then yes.

                  Nothing in the track record says that. The track record says that Gordon/Quantrill/Proctor/Karsay/etc. were fairly effective before arriving here, he beat them like rented mules, and they then became much less effective and much more injured.

                  But, as always, never let the facts get in the way of your ridiculously incoherent batshit insane ramblings, Sal/Bo/Grant/Lanny.

              • Klemy

                At no point when I woke up this morning, did I think I’d see “Sisyphean” in a baseball blog. +1 point to you Ben.

  • CB

    Scheppers threw his last game for the saints in the independent league yesterday.

    The saints radar gun had him sitting 96-97 and touching 101. Scouts in the stands had him touching 98-99.

    He throws four pitches with good command. He was outstanding last year in college and has picked up where he left off.

    If he’s there and there’s even a reasonable expectation his medicals are in fact OK (which supposedly they are – he’s falling due to his past history coupled with his asking price) he’s tough to pass on.

  • Januz

    I would be shocked if Crow was still there (He might go to Pittsburgh). If Gibson is there the Yankees may very well grab him, because they believe in stocking up on starting pitching and catching. One long shot first round possibility could be Drew Storen if he falls. Storen said the Yankees treated him fairly when they drafted him, and this guy could actually help in the bullpen THIS YEAR, if he is drafted and signs early enough. The opportunity to play in the post season (Getting a playoff share (And maybe get a ring)), might be worth signing for a little above slot.

    • whozat

      Drafting a college reliever in the first round is a big, big waste.

      • RollingWave

        it fits the Pirates’s profile though. Generally ending up with the worest guy possible. I fully expect them to tak ea guy like Kyle Heckathorn

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

      I’m none for rushing college closers to the bigs. Craig Hansen, Chad Cordero, Ryan Wagner..and those are just three guys off the top of my head. I’m sure Mike knows a few more who were rushed and busted big time.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        I’m none for rushing college closers to the bigs… I’m sure Mike knows a few more who were rushed and busted big time.

        Yup, one more: Joba Chamberlain.

        Sincerely,
        Mike Francesa

  • Dorian

    101 MPH doesn’t slide to the #29th pick

  • BigBlueAL

    Keith Law has the Yankees taking some HS CFer from Texas in the latest mock draft I read today.

    • Ivan

      Slade Heathcott

      • anonymous

        Hate this pick

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

          Mostly because it remains me of Wuthering Heights, and I had never wanted to be reminded of that book again.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            We’re also in on a prep shortstop from Pennsylvania named Holden Paulfield, I’m told. Great tools, but a sketchy makeup.

  • Andrew

    Pena 2-3 in his career with 2 HR’s off Phil. In a one run game, there’s no doubt Girardi made the right move. None at all.

    • whozat

      Yeah there is. 3 ABs is completely meaningless. When were those ABs? Beginning of last year when phil was a COMPLETELY different pitcher?

      • Jake K.

        But Andrew is so certain!

        • http://www.myspace.com/sloanbruno69 Bruno

          He read THE BOOK!

          • Andrew

            2-3 with 2 HR’s is pretty telling. To completely disregard it is pretty stupid. Especially with the short porch in right. I think you people just like to pretend you know baseball. Anyone who questions that decision is an idiot.

            • Drew

              the opposite of telling, bro.

              • Andrew

                lol. Jesus…

                You’ve never played baseball. No doubt.

                • UWS

                  And you have. At the ML level. No doubt.

                • Andrew

                  The hilarious part of it is…the move worked. So what reason could you possibly have for bitching other than your affinity for Phil?

                  Terrible.

                • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=15305165&ref=profile Doug

                  /oaktag

                • Chip

                  O come on, his argument isn’t unreasonable at all. Pena has a HUGE platoon split and has hit two homers in three career at-bats. It’s not as if Phil Coke is some scrub pitcher, he’s been one of the most solid contributors out there all season.

                  Also, you have to consider that they’re saving him to shadow Wang on Wednesday.

                  I’m not saying that I agree with the move but it wasn’t batshit insane

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

                  If you’re basing that on Pena’s splits, you have an argument, since his splits are pretty pronounced throughout his career.

                  Arguing based on 3 AB is the crazy part of it.

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

              Here’s a breakdown of your comment:

              1) Declarative statement with nothing to back it up
              2) A statement that people who don’t agree with you are stupid
              3) A further insult to people who don’t agree with you.
              4) Yet another insult to people who don’t agree with you.

              The argument against you, that a three at-bat sample is meaningless, actually has a base in reality. Anything can happen in three at bats. And, as another commenter pointed out, those two homers came during Phil’s horrible run in the beginning of 2008, when everyone was hitting the crap out of him.

              So you do realize that at this point you’re arguing from a position of weakness. Instead of backing up your rationale, you’ve decided to insult people who don’t agree with you. You’ve taken the stance of “I’m right because I know baseball,” which is pretty horrible because others have come at you with evidence and you’ve come back with insults.

              • Tampa Yankee

                If I remember seeing it correctly, Pena was 1-3 with an HR vs Coke going into last night’s AB so its not like Coke had a great track record vs Pena. So to argue 3 ABs is telling, take Pena’s 3 ABs vs Coke into account to. While it’s “Cokey’s job to get the lefty” 4 of the 9 hits Coke’s given up to lefties have been HRs so it wasn’t a lock for Coke to come in and shut them down. Plus Hughes looked good going through Upton, Crawford and Longoria so I wouldn’t have had any argument if he went out for the 8th.

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

                  That is how you argue!

                  Exchanges like the above one really get to me. It seems like we pile on dissenters, but it’s not the dissent. It’s the manner in which the dissent is presented. It’s always insult, insult, insult, rather than coming with fact. There are a few marvelous dissenters among the RAB commenters. I wish we had more like that.

                • Tampa Yankee

                  I agree. I can’t stand those who use insults to back up their point or think if they scream over you and don’t let you talk, they win. While numbers don’t always tell the whole story, they can give you a good indication of what may occur. So if Andrew wants to argue 3 ABs, Pena’s 3 ABs against Coke warrant discussion to if it was a smart move to go to Coke especially after Hughes took care of the top of the order on 11 pitches.

                • Chip

                  Lefties are hitting .339/.417/.593 this year off Hughes vs .227/.314/.440 against righties. That’s pretty significant.

                  I realize that Hughes looked amazing (and I wanted him to stay in for another inning) but when you consider that Pena has a huge platoon split as well, it’s a defensible move. Also, Hughes has to have the stamina to go 4-5 innings on Wednesday if needed so I’m comfortable with the decision

                • Tampa Yankee

                  Chip if Andrew used those stats versus “I think you people just like to pretend you know baseball. Anyone who questions that decision is an idiot” I would have listened to his argument. Those are telling stats.

                • Chip

                  Agreed, that shit belongs on LoHud

  • http://theyankeebomber.blogspot.com Conan

    Let me preface this by saying I’m not a B-Hughser and don’t want to get too carried away by Hughes performance out of the pen tonight. But worse case scenario, Bruney and Marte don’t return or are plagued with injuries or ineffective in their return this season, should the Yanks keep Hughes in the pen?

    Setback to his development yes, but if he’s the Yanks best option to Mariano, shouldn’t the Yanks take a long, hard look at this? Let’s remember, Jeter, Posada, and Mo are not getting any younger and won’t play to this level forever, plus Damon and Matsui are free agents next year. If they play with a “win tonight, worry about tomorrow, tomorrow” attitude, shouldn’t that apply to the whole season as well?

    • Drew

      I say no. This team as too much potential going forward to prevent Hughes from reaching his innings count. We need to get him the innings so he’s good to go next year. This is a temporary solution to a temporary problem.

    • UWS

      No, because in that case Hughes won’t get to his innings cap this season and thus won’t be the #5 starter role next season. Or he will be and will have to be shut down sometime in August.

      • MattG

        This is inaccurate. Hughes’s Verducci-inspired cap is 176 innings. In a strict 5th starter role, that gets you 28 starts and the whole season.

        The question is more of development. Hughes needs innings to hone his craft, but if he is going to get them at AAA, he might as well pitch in the AFL. If JG will use him 2-3 innings per appearance, give him the odd 75-80 pitch-count start (on a double header or if someone is not feeling well), and get him another 80 innings this season, it is probably an idea worth considering.

        In reality, someone will be hurt and Hughes will get a stint in the rotation, so it is kind of moot.

        • http://votepaulformayor.blogspot.com jsbrendog

          didnt someone say a couple days ago phil is ineligible for the AFL this year?

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

            Yeah, I’m pretty sure that he was barely eligible last year, so I’m guessing he won’t be eligible this year.

            • http://votepaulformayor.blogspot.com jsbrendog

              is there another league or something he can get inings in then over the winter? anywhere?

          • MattG

            Oh, well, the Verducci-style cap is still 176.

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

              Here’s my question: Will the Yanks really pitch him 176 innings? His career high in innings pitched came three years ago. Are they really going to push him that far after two years of far fewer innings? I don’t have the answer, but I’m interested to see how the Yanks will handle that.

              • MattG

                Oh, yes, because Tom Verducci, MS, PhD, has proven that it is !00% impossible to be hurt if he is kept to 176 innings.

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

                  Wow. Way to totally misread that.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  I’d say yes. I think the Yankees fully intend to get Phil the 180 innings this season, because that lets them give Hughes a 2010 cap of 210, which gets them a whole season with no skipped starts or caps to worry about, which is important since Joba will still likely be capped next year.

                • MattG

                  Yeah, I guess it wasn’t funny, sorry. I have nothing against Verducci, but his rule is a little un-scientific.

  • Esteban

    On BBTN, John Kruk came out as a B-Hughser, saying that Phil Hughes may have found a spot (the 7th or 8th) to base a long career on. Mo, why are there so many idiots out there? Of course he could be good in the bullpen, every good starting pitcher could do well in the bullpen.

    • RollingWave

      well maybe not Jamie Moyer or Tim Wakefield ;)

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

      Kruk is great. The Yanks should have a 12-man bullpen.

      • Chip

        Bullpen games every day! Just think how fresh everybody would be!

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Step 1: get 9 pitchers
          Step 2: have each pitcher pitch one inning each game
          Step 3: each pitcher would then have a nice, manageable, 162.0 IP total on the year
          Step 4: use the extra three roster spots created by this new pitching philosophy to sign three extra gritty, hustling, scrappy “play the game the right way” middle infielders and backup catchers who like to bunt and get their uniform dirty sliding into first base headfirst and do “all the little things to help a team win”
          Step 5: VICTORY!!!!

          • thurdonpaul

            swisher pitches in extra inning games, right ?

  • dkidd

    what are the chances jorge catches aj tomorrow?

    • Bob Stone

      Good question. I’d like to see his offense in the line-up against the BoSox.

  • Surry
  • Chip

    I’d have to go for Crow. If we picked him up, you could see him in the Bronx as the first injury callup next season. Thing is, there’s no way he makes it that far IMO

    As for Scheppers, I’d take him with our supplemental if he were available (hard to say over Renfoe) just because I don’t like the possibility of losing our first rounder due to the medicals coming back with some red flags. If he were healthy though, you could have your Mo successor right there (assuming he can’t/doesn’t stay healthy in the rotation of course)

    • Sweet Dick Willie

      I’d take him with our supplemental

      I don’t think we have a supplemental; do we?

      • Chip

        My bad, I meant our 76th pick.

      • pat

        Nah, just a 2nd rounder which is considered compensatory not supplemental.

  • Jake H

    I would rather have Crow then any of those guys. But I still prefer Purke if he is there.

  • MattG

    Damn, I think that any answer but Crow is over-thinking. Being that he is so much safer than Gibson or Scheppers, and yet with a really high ceiling, you really need to talk yourself into a different pick.

  • kSturnz

    so frustrating hearing orel and boomer talk about all the homers at teh stadium; they never thought that maybe the home team that plays at YSIII is a good homerun hitting team (sometimes to a fault) I only watched espn over YES because phillips wasn’t there ;) probably studying who the rsocks will take today