A dominant Joba leads Yanks over Rays

Phelps continues to roll as Tampa wins big
A look at trade deadlines past: 2006

On the night after their current ace disappointed, the Yankees’ hopeful future ace answered with a gem. Joba Chamberlain, the focus of ire and all sorts of ill-will before the All-Star Break, made his third straight excellent start, tearing down the Rays in impressive fashion. He worked fast and economized pitches, lasting eight innings and allowing no runs and just five baserunners. The Yankees offense mustered a few off Matt Garza, and even a late-inning hiccup couldn’t derail the Yankees as they steamrolled the Rays, 6-2.

Joba looked as good as he has all season — all of his starting career, really. He mixed his pitches, and even though his fastball averaged just over 92 miles per hour, he had enough control to compensate. Overall he threw 65 of 101 pitches for strikes, among his best marks of the season. He mixed it well with a curve which didn’t seem to have its best bite, and a slider he threw for strikes seemingly at will. He kept the Rays off balance all night, inducing swings and misses, ground balls, pop ups, and lazy flies.

Last night was example A-number-one of why the Yankees have displayed patience with Joba. Even on a night when he wasn’t pumping 95 mph fastballs, he was still able to hit his spots and throw his breaking ball for strikes. He controlled the pace of the game, inducing first-pitch swings — seven total, five of which resulted in immediate outs — and generally keeping the Rays off kilter. That’s pitching, not throwing, and it’s encouraging to see that from Joba.

Here’s a question I’ve been thinking on lately, and especially after last night’s performance. Does Joba absolutely need his best velocity to be a top-flight pitcher? If his last three starts are any indicator, he might not. At least, not all the time. It seems he cruises along at 92 until he hits trouble, and then dials it up when needed. On nights like tonight he doesn’t have to go up to 95, 96. He can use his command and especially command of his slider to win games.

If that’s what Joba Chamberlain can be, a guy who can cruise along at less than full capacity, with the ability to dial it up consistently when he really needs it, well, then I don’t see how you can give up on him. He’s not going to do it every time, especially not at this age. But if this is a preview for things to come and he can become one of the top pitchers in the league, then the Yankees just need to keep doing what they’re doing.

If the Yankees keep trotting out their starter in order, Joba will face Toronto on Tuesday after an off-day. His next start would then be Sunday against Boston. The Yankees could do that, or they could make a move to 1) give Joba a breather, 2) manage his innings, and 3) get their top four pitchers in the four games against Boston. If they skip Joba on Monday, they could go Pettitte and Mitre on regular rest in Toronto. They’d then have Burnett-CC-Joba-Pettitte against Boston at the Stadium. I credit Axisa with turning me onto the idea. It works on just about every level.

The offense went just 2 for 10 with runners in scoring position, but compensated with a troika of solo shots. Cano hit a no doubt about it bomb in the sixth to extend the Yanks’ lead to 3-0. It was a blind man’s homer: the sound alone told you how far it was going to travel. Melky smoked a ball down the line in the ninth, and Teixeira followed it up with a long homer to center. The Yanks even mustered an early run on a ground out, though it was bittersweet. They had second and third with none out and could only manage that solitary run. Thankfully, Joba was around to keep the Rays at bay.

Every Yankees starter reached base at least once, though Johnny Damon was the only one left hitless. Derek Jeter hit his first triple since early last year, and Mark Teixeira had an impressive 2 for 3 night, including the aforementioned homer. The game illustrated the tenacity of the Yankees offense. Gardner and Melky are the only two regulars with an OPS+ below 119. Eight Yankees have 10 or more homers, and Melky has nine. The player with the lowest batting average, Nick Swisher at .239, has a .368 OBP.

The game wasn’t without controversy. Apparently Matt Garza didn’t like the fastball that sailed three feet over Evan Longoria’s head, so he plunked Mark Teixeira in the top of the next inning. Worse, he admitted it. “I just kind of got tired of people brushing him back. It’s about time someone made a statement.” That statement will likely result in a suspension for Garza. If you’re going to hit someone, have the good mind to keep your mouth shut.

On a final note, the Yankees got their daily checklist out of the way nice and early. First up, a Johnny Damon broken bat, which happened in the first. Then in the fourth came the Mark Teixeira excellent play of the day. Finally, in the fourth Nick Swisher worked a full count. Seems at least two of three happen every game.

The Yanks now head to Chicago for a four-game set against the White Sox, who are coming off a sweep at the hands of the Twins. They’re now in third place in the AL Central, and the Yanks could do the Twins and Tigers a big favor this weekend. They could also do themselves a solid and continue to extend their lead over the Sox, which moved to 3.5 games today after Oakland took care of business. Also, the Dodgers and Cardinals are headed to the 15th as I type this. Should the Cards prevail, the Yanks will be tied for the best record in baseball. LIfe is good right now.

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Phelps continues to roll as Tampa wins big
A look at trade deadlines past: 2006
  • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

    Think Garza’ll be getting a call from our friend Bob Watson?

    Axisa’d

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Yes because he admitted it. If Garza kept his trap shut, I would have said no. Even I thought it was unintentional until he said something.

      • Zach

        guy already on first, hit tex to face ARod with 2 on in a close ball game. if opening his mouth show what kind of genius he is, actually doing it in that spot shows it

    • JGS

      a little absurd that Joba will get nothing for throwing one over Longoria’s head, but Garza will probably get suspended for barely grazing Tex’s jersey.

      and that’s why you never admit it

      • Drew

        Why on earth would Joba get a penalty for almost hitting a batter? Also, I really don’t think Garza will be getting a fine/suspension for hitting Teix.

        • Charlie

          i think garza will, though he doesn’t really deserve it. Bobby Jenks got one for admitting he threw at someone and AJ got one earlier this year

          • Salty Buggah

            Yea, I agree. AJ hit a batter and didn’t admit it but got a suspension. Jenks got a 750k fine for admitting to throwing behind the batter on purpose, despite not hitting him. So, I expect Garza to get a fine AND a suspension for actually hitting him and admitting to it.

            • Charlie

              it was $750 btw, not 750k. that’d be insane

              • Salty Buggah

                You’re right. That’s a joke of a fine though.

                • Charlie

                  i know, right. major league players take shits on $750. the suspension sucks though, and i don’t think players should be suspended just for speaking the truth (as dumb as that may be sometimes)

                • Salty Buggah

                  True, but then they also shouldn’t try to bean players (even in retaliation, even though a beaning shouldn’t happen in the first place because the other team can just think they are trying on purpose) because one day in baseball, someone will probably die because of a beaning. It could (probably is) be an accident but you never know.

      • Jeremy

        The ball went three feet over Longoria’s head for gods sake. Talk about an overreaction. Also he piked a bad spot to Hit Teixeira, and admitting to hitting him on purpose is also a stupid move.

        Last but not least, Garza still lost the game. Have fun missing the playoffs Rays, one year wonders you.

  • Ashish

    no way Dodgers losing it now unfortunately. Weaver’s dealing and the Cards only have one pitcher left. Maybe the Yanks will be tied for first in the Majors by tomorrow’s end but not today.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Good job by LaRussa, using five pitchers to get eight outs earlier in the game.

      • Greg G.

        I will officially be impressed if Weaver gets out of this one. (But I will still remain bitter about the 2003 WS appearance)

        • Greg G.

          Good thing I’m not a fan of either team in this game. This bottom of the 15th is pretty nerve-wracking.

    • Really

      Really?

  • Salty Buggah

    Yea that was really dumb by Garza. Longo himself said he didn’t mind and that it’s part of the game (though he gave a look to Joba after the AB)

    • Drew

      You’re not going to get most players to say, “I think he threw at me intentionally and I’m pissed.”
      That said, I don’t think Jober wanted to hit him, I think he just lost a high and tight pitch.

      • Salty Buggah

        True on the 1st part.

    • Zach

      did he see what he did to his bat when he popped up that AB? thats all you need to know about how bad he wanted to crush one

      • whozat

        And that’s fine. That’s how you get a guy back for buzzing you…stay in there and crush a pitch.

  • Charlie

    Oh who cares?? It’s one good start. Ship him to Toronto!!! Joba, Hughes, Ajax, Montero, McAllister, and Romine all for Halladay!!

    • Charlie

      oh, and vernon wells too

      • jim p

        Sweeten it more. Let them keep Wells, we’ll just pay his salary.

        • Charlie

          same thing with Rios, also we’ll throw in Arodys Vizcaino and Man Ban just to make sure the jays get enough players in return.

        • DreDog

          Do we at least get a Smoak type bat too?

          • Charlie

            NO! The Jays said they can include a PTBNL. it’d be one of shawn camp, raul chavez, or Kevin Millar

      • JMK

        You left out Overbay.

  • Drew

    It’s so funny how quick some fans’ opinions change. It went from “Jober teh immature” to Joba is the man, in the course of 3 weeks, maybe fewer.

    Another great start from Joba, he was dealing. I’m happy Bruney got some work in, results aside, we can only hope that in time he gets it together.

    • http://killcam cameron

      im sorry to say it but bruney is showing signs of no improvement what-so-ever. :[

      • Drew

        he is pitching, which is a sign of improvement imo.

    • Bo

      Happy Bruney got work? Thats what its come to? I dont think that can even be counted as work.

  • Dela G

    cmon dodgers, give up the game already

  • Dela G

    by the way, he hit 94 quite a few times during this game. Not trying to nitpick, but just bein real

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

      Gameday had him at mostly 92.

      • Dela G

        oh ok, i see

      • Salty Buggah

        Yea but you said he topped out at above 92. He reached 95 several times I think.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

          Yeah, I should read over what I write. Meant he sat 92, topped out 95.

        • Salty Buggah

          Though I dont really care about the mistake much

      • Rob S

        Gameday had him at 93/94 in the 7th and 8th innings (with a couple of curves/sliders at 90/91, yeesh) when I was following.

        • Salty Buggah

          LOL I remember a curveball being registered at 92.

          • Salty Buggah

            on Gameday

          • Rob S

            He’s done it before with the “offspeed” stuff. I remember one of his first games out of the pen, he threw a 99 MPH fastball at the neck, followed by a 92 MPH slider at the shins. Just unfair.

            • yankeefan91 Arod fan

              Yea i seen it to i think the hardest slider that i seen hes trown was 93 or 94 and fastball 100 according to the stadium gun.

  • JGS

    you mean Jeter hit his first triple since last year, not double

    • Dela G

      yeah that too

      • JohnC

        Didn’t Jeter lead off that first game in Florida against the Marlins with a triple?

        • JGS

          nope–ground rule double

  • Drew

    This just in, Robbie Cano has as many HR’s as HanRam.

    Just sayin’. Imagine what it will be like when he starts hitting with risp!!?

    • Charlie

      then he’ll be just like Han ram. Except he’s a 2B and can’t run well. But still, like the great Michael Kay said, Cano is becoming a legitimate star

      • Drew

        He runs well enough, he can’t steal to save his life but he’s not slow. Also, IMO, Canobies defense at 2nd>>>Manley’s defense at short. However, we all know ss is the premium position.

        • RollingWave

          Hanley Ramirez is on pace to be one of the best players EVER (not a real exaggeration) you can be A LOT worse than him and still be awesome.

    • Rob S

      Will he ever hit with RISP? Part of what makes a good hitter with ducks on the pond is the ability to wait out a pitcher who will obviously try to stay off the plate while in a jam. Cano swings too early, too often to wait out anything, hence he just doesn’t make good contact with RISP.

      • Drew

        Cano swings at things he can hit. There is a reason that his avg is so high when swinging at first pitches. He sees, he hits.
        I can’t fault you for assuming or questioning if he will never improve with risp but I do not think it is fair. The dude is young, he makes a lot of money but still, he is young.

        • Rob S

          Well sure, he’s definitely got plenty of time to improve his plate discipline and patience, as does any young hitter. But as you defined his hitting style yourself, perhaps trying to go deeper into counts would hamper what makes him an effective hitter – see ball, hit ball.

          Cano is definitely not as bad a hitter with RISP as he’s looking right now (.213 compared to something like .261 career), but there’s a very considerable difference between him and someone with superior plate discipline like Mark Teixeira, who’s .317 career with RISP, because a more patient hitter grinds the ABs out and often forces the pitcher into a poor count where something more hittable comes along.

          I’m not saying Cano won’t or can’t improve his season mark with RISP, but I think expectations should be tempered greatly for his potential to be a very good hitter w/RISP given his hitting style. More discipline as he matures might be the remedy, but that might just as likely take away from what makes him a .300+ hitter as he is now.

          • Drew

            Comparing Teixy/Al/Jopo/Deki to Cano isn’t an equal comp IMO. I mean, yeah, Robbie has a different approach and swings early and often, but that doesn’t mean he’ll never hit with risp. There is no real reason why his Avg w/risp should be lower than his general batting average. I think that in time he will succeed and drive runs in. Lately he’s been hitting the ball hard but into some bad luck with risp. Maybe this year in the playoffs he’ll finally break out of it and those hard hit balls will drop! :)

            • Drew

              Oh, also, this past offseason Long helped Cano change his stance/approach. Maybe this upcoming offseason Long will do the same with Robbie’s approach with a man on second/third.

  • Frank1979

    If there are two things in this world that Michael Kay loves, its a Johnny Damon broken bat and a Nick Swisher full count. I think he goes to bed dreaming of these things just so he can talk about them over and over and over again during the game.

  • http://twitter.com/JamalG Jamal G.

    I credit Axisa with turning me onto the idea. It works on just about every level.

    Ahem, assholes:
    http://riveraveblues.com/2009/.....ent-489324

    If both Boston and the Yankees’ rotation stay as they currently are, the four-game set from August 6th-9th in the Bronx will be:

    John Smoltz vs. *Sergio Mitre
    Josh Beckett vs. A.J. Burnett
    Clay Buchholz vs. CC Sabathia
    Brad Penny vs. Joba Chamberlain

    * – With the off-day on Monday, the 3rd, the Yankees could very well decide to start Sergio Mitre on his regular four-days rest on Wednesay at Toronto, and give Andy Pettitte the Game One start against Smoltz on Thursday on six-days rest (I would love this on a baseball-fan level because of the match-up between Smoltz and Pettitte). As a 37-year-old starting pitcher in the dog days of August, this might be wise.

    Another option could be the Yankees making Pettitte start on his regular four-days rest on Tueday and giving Mitre his regular four-days start on Wednesday, both in Toronto. This would give Joba Chamberlain seven days off – and allowing him to slow down that innings rise – and still allow for the Yanks to throw their top-four starters at the Sox.

    • http://www.youtube.com/kevyyankees Kevin G.

      I like the Yankees’ chances with those match ups.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      I credit Ben with the idea. He personally called me from Israel, long distance, and told me all about it.

  • Charlie

    the rays at bay… is this intentional? i sense that it is. Also, can someone tell me how to italicize/bold comments i’m trying to write?

    • JMK

      The directions for the html stuff are below the comment box. (without spaces) for bold and “i” for italics.

      • JMK

        shit, it bolded.

        FAIL

    • http://www.youtube.com/kevyyankees Kevin G.

      For bold:
      (b)writing(/b)

      For italics:
      (i)writing(/i)

      Just replace the parenthesis with greater than and less than signs and write whatever you want to bold or italicize in between.

  • http://forums.projectcovo.com/images/smilies/e6omir.gif OmgZombies!

    The people on MLB and Baseball tonight pissed me the fukk off. Joba had a great start and all those fa**ts could talk about was how he shouldnt be throwing at people,and fist pumping makes him a bad person. One of the tools actually thought Jeter the Captain should talk to Joba about it and how Garza was doing the right thing by retaliating.

    End Rant

    • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

      Chill. Watch the MLB network.

      • http://forums.projectcovo.com/images/smilies/e6omir.gif OmgZombies!

        It was the tools on MLB network aslo. I’m pretty much done with sports shows.

    • Zach

      No, he was saying Garza should have thrown at Jeter-the captain of the team, to start off the inning. And then Jeter would in turn go to Joba and say hes tired of getting hit so stop throwing at Youk/Longoria/etc.

      You can complain, just give the facts.

      • Zach

        That what the guy on ESPN point

      • http://forums.projectcovo.com/images/smilies/e6omir.gif OmgZombies!

        Ok I misquoted but you should realize Jeters been getting hit for years long before Joba started pitching.

        • Zach

          but it was the other way around. Jeter would get hit and the Yankees wouldnt hit back. In this case it would be our pitcher hitting, and Jeter getting hit for payback. That was the theory, I dont know how many times Jeter/Tex/ARod have been hit in retaliation, but as along as the ball doesnt hit them in the hands or head then it doesnt matter, they can take a ball on the ass or side and play.

          • http://forums.projectcovo.com/images/smilies/e6omir.gif OmgZombies!

            Thats my point when its Yankee players that do it, its like they disgraced the game.

          • Mike HC

            Easy for you to say that they can take a fastball to the ribs no problem.

    • Tank the Frank

      Baseball Tonight is currently a failure of epic proportions. I don’t care what their opinions are or what points they are trying to make; you DON’T advocate throwing at a player!

      Which is basically exactly what they did. “Instead of throwing at Mark Teixeira, they should throw at Derek Jeter – the captain – and then Joba will get the point.”

      If you paid any attention at all to the series, you know that the Yankees plan was to throw inside on Longoria. They did it every AB. It’s part of the game. Garza and Longoria can say whatever they want about it IMO. But as an announcer, you cannot possibly be so anti-Yankee to start detailing a plan about which Yankees player to hit in retaliation. In my opinion…nothing short of disgusting.

      I agree with you 100 percent OMGZombies!

      End rant

  • ShuutoHeat

    dodgers and cards still going at it? …

    • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

      Yep. Bottom 15 2 on 2 out for Albert.

    • Dela G

      yep

      pujols batting with 2 on 2 out bottom 15

  • Simon B.

    I’ve always felt that Joba has such great offspeed stuff, he doesn’t necessarily need that great velocity for him to be a great pitcher, though it certainly wouldn’t hurt. His problem in the first half was more a matter of poor command than poor velocity.

    Still, I wouldn’t be surprised if he eventually regains a lot of that velocity, this year or next. When that happens, he has as much potential as anybody in the game.

    • Chip

      He can dominate with an above average fastball rather than his holy-shit-batman fastball as long as he continues to locate it and use his plus-plus slider. He made Burrell his bitch on that three-slider strikeout. It just wasn’t fair

      I’d imagine when Joba gets a few years down the road, he’ll start pumping it in there 93-96 from the first pitch. Right now he’s just gotta worry about his location and repeating his delivery.

      • Salty Buggah

        I agree completely pretty much. He’ll start 93-96 then 97, maybe 98 at times later in the game.

        • Chip

          It’ll be like another Burnett but with a second above average breaking ball and control. Joba could be the ace of this staff by next season

  • Dela G

    cmon pujols

  • Manimal

    Pujols.is.a.Machine.

  • Dela G

    ALBERT DELIVERS!

    CARDS WIN!

  • Salty Buggah

    PUJOLS!!!!!

    • Andrae

      were the bases loaded when Pujols won the game, they had to be right, why would you ever throw that one a pitch i mean… wtf…. he should have 200 walks by now. right did everyone forget the bonds walked 232 times in one season. why dont people walk him whats the diff?

      • Salty Buggah

        Nope, 1st and 2nd 2 outs. The problem now is that Holliday was after him. He started off 0-2 before working the count to 3-2 so Weaver probably though he could/should keep challenging him.

        Hmmm I just saw the replay and Kemp had a chance of catching that but he took a step in and then was too late to get it.

  • Johan Iz My Brohan

    Yankees are officially tied for best record in MLB!

  • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

    BEST RECORD IN BASEBALL MOTHERFUCKERS

  • Greg G.

    Weaver was so close to getting out of the inning that started with a leadoff triple.

    Heck of an AB by Pujols.

  • NaOH

    Tyler Kepner had title=”an interesting note”> an interesting note on Joba:

    Chamberlain used the time at home over the [All-Star] break to clear his mind, and he eliminated a hitch in his delivery when he takes the ball out of his glove. Now, his hands are constantly in motion once he grips the ball. Before, with the hitch slowing his arm, there were consequences.

    “No command, no power,” the pitching coach, Dave Eiland, said with a shrug. “Two things you really have to have.”

    • Chip

      No way, he went back to Nebraska and drank with his buddies who gave him shit for being shitty and is now out to prove them wrong

      • DreDog

        You forgot about how they tried to make the town drunk drink a 40oz filled with piss. That was the real mind clearing event for Joba. He learned perspective.

  • Dela G

    the yanks have the best record in baseball (tied). i love this team.

    Now lets extend the white sox losing streak

  • Drew

    heh, Garza’s comments were stupid and unnecessary. They should not be STILL playing the underdog/little kid on the block role. They were in the damn WS last year… “we’re tired of it.” WTF does that mean, you’re tired of your batters getting hit? Uh, does it really happen that often? We play them like 16 times a year and I don’t ever remember us having this problem. Maybe other teams hit their players, which I’m not sure about, but what does that have to do with Joba?

    • http://forums.projectcovo.com/images/smilies/e6omir.gif OmgZombies!

      According to MLB Network and ESPN Joba is a head hunter!

      • Chip

        So was Clemens, I hear he did alright with it. They can bitch all they want but we had Longoria up there shaking in his boots and then Garza gave us a free base runner by retaliating.

        • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

          “So was Clemens, I hear he did alright with it.”

          Well that’s the rumor…

    • Chip

      I absolutely love it. I hope that Joba gets a reputation for being a head-hunter. Any hitter that goes up there worrying about a 96 mph fastball aimed right at their head has already lost.

      • Johan Iz My Brohan

        I can see it now: Youk is up and Joba pulls out the 98 mph fastball that we haven’t seen in so long. Youk jumps off and away from the batter’s box, while the ball really was right down the middle/

        • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

          Actualy he threw a 99 MPH fastball yesterday.

          • A.D.

            YES gun cannot be trusted

          • dudes

            not according to gameday, he didn’t.

  • Chip

    I think the key to Joba’s recent dominance is his pace out there. I couldn’t believe it was really Joba out there tonight as he worked as fast as any pitcher I’ve ever watched. I saw him shake Posada off maybe twice all night and it seemed like he was getting back on the rubber to throw the next pitch before Posada could get the ball back to him. Fun to watch games like that

  • http://forums.projectcovo.com/images/smilies/e6omir.gif OmgZombies!

    His fb looked alot faster than 92.He wasnt sitting 96 but he had control and enough to blow past several hitters. The fastballs Garza was pumping out at 96 on YES came out 92 on gameday.

    Hopefully we see him string along a bunch more starts like these and stop walking people lol.

    • Chip

      When you’re throwing an 85 mph slider for strikes at will, hitters tend to be late on fastballs regardless if they’re at 92 mph or 99 mph

  • sam

    Mo walked a batter on 4 pitches.
    anyone know when is the last time that happened?

    • Dela G

      before i was born? (1987 is when i was born) ;)

    • Drew

      smoke and mirrors, smoke and mirrors…

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

      He struck out a Burrell on 3 pitches in the previous at bat.

      Weird.

  • http://killcam cameron

    please shed some light on the poor bruney, hes damaging the team.

    • Drew

      word, he’s pullin us down. If he wasn’t on the team we’d be 8-2 in our last ten. Oh wait..

    • whozat

      http://www.brooksbaseball.net/.....evDate=729

      Couldn’t throw strikes, and had shitty velo.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      There’s going to be some bumps in the road while guys round themselves back into shape. Hopefully, they come in games like this: sandwiched around two great pitching performances in easy wins.

  • RollingWave

    Re: Joba.

    It depends on why he isn’t throwing as hard. if it’s due to the fact that he’s cleaned up his mechanics to give him a better chance of being durable. then it’s fine as long as he can occasionally reach back for it. if it’s because something’s wrong with his arm. then .. um.. obviously not so much.

    • Joe R

      He’s shown that he can reach back for it tho. The faster fastballs more times than not are when hes trying to put someone away. It could just be coincidence, but it seems like the lower velocity is pretty much on purpose.

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

      Forget about the YES guns. They’re wrong. Sterling was talking about how he was throwing 95 at the start of the night. I saw him hit 99 once.

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

    So, to sum up, in the last three years:

    Joba is awesome, Joba is overrated, Hughes sucks, Joba sucks, Joba should be in the bullpen, Hughes is destroying the team, Joba is awesome again, Joba is untouchable, Hughes should be dealt at the peak of his value, Hughes is soft and too fragile to ever be good, Joba is too fragile to ever be good, Joba is miscast, Joba is awesome again, Joba kinda sucks, Joba is miscast and should be back in the bullpen, Hughes is awesome again, Hughes is untouchable, Joba should be dealt before he has no value left, Hughes should stay in the bullpen, Hughes is way better than Joba, Joba is awesome again.

    Did I leave anything out?

    • Little Bill

      You left out that some people were all over the place but many of us, including myself, always knew these two would be great pitchers. I called Joba untouchable last month when some people wanted to trade him away and give up on his potential. Hughes and Joba are untouchables and will be a vital part of the Yankees starting rotation for a very long time.

      • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

        Including yourself…

        Don’t tell me-You ALWAYS knew how good they’d be, right?

        Don’t tell me-you knew from the beginning Favre would retire, didn’t you.

        And the Super Bowl-well, nobody believed you when you said Steelers, but you perservered!

        Congratulations on being completely ahead of the curve on EVERYTHING! [Golf clap]

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Oh, yeah, that’s right. In my story about mass public perception about Joba and Phil, I forgot to make a point to personally mention you specifically, Little Bill. I don’t know how I could have done that. Please, forgive me.

        (rolls eyes)

        • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

          You’re getting too caught up in your celebrity. Remember the little people.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Never let it be said that I don’t remember the little people. To wit:

            http://riveraveblues.com/2009/.....ent-500349

            • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

              A roundabout way of doing it…

            • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

              You also get a point for using “to wit”. +1

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

      What about Kennedy?

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        I’ll do that one in 2010, after he comes up, pitches well in the 5th starter role, and the peanut gallery starts clamoring for “KENNEDY TO TEH 8TH!!!”

    • Pasqua

      You forgot, “Joba is drunk,” and, “Hughes can’t see.”

  • Tampa Yankee

    I don’t believe Joba was throwing at Longoria, what would be the point in that situation? He’d given up one hit at that point and it’s not like anyone really put good wood on the ball. I think he was trying to pitch inside, like he should, and it got away from him. Even the dumbass Rays announcers thought Joba was trying to go inside and wasn’t throwing at Longoria intentially. Whatever, I could care less if people think he’s a head hunter, that plays into an advantage for Joba.

    FWIW, I think Joba should have given the opportunity to finish the game even if he was at 101 pitches. Crawford is 0-7 lifetime vs Joba and even if he gets on, then you can go get him. Couldn’t have been any worse than what actually happened.

    • Little Bill

      First of all, I don’t think he was throwing at him either. Posada was setting up high, it just got away. But since it was Longoria, Sutcliffe and the rest of ESPN made a big stink about it.

      I disagree with Joba finishing the game. What’s the point in a 6-0 game? He’s 23 and has had injury problems in his career. I doubt he’s gone over 110 pitches that often in the majors, if at all. It was a low leverage situation and he’s nearing his innings cap. There is no need to even risk putting Joba out there just so he can get the CG.

      • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

        I don’t blame Garza for hitting Tex. Intentional or unintentional (regarding Joba) he HAD to do it. Had to.

        • Pasqua

          Why? If Garza just thought that through for 10 seconds he could have figured out that it was likely unintentional. The over-sensitivity in baseball (all sports, really) is infuriating. Teams have absolutely bastardized the concept of retaliation.

          • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

            Was it unintentional? I don’t knoiw about that. And you have to protect your players. You have to.

  • Frank

    Without a doubt, this was Joba’s best performance this year. Great focus, command of his pitches and he pitched quickly. BBTN did a comparison to Buehrle last night and the time it takes to deliver the ball to the plate- Buehrle was about 9.4 seconds and Joba was just over 10 seconds.

    The only question that remains is waht the fuck is wrong with Bruney? It seems he has morphed into Jose Veras.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Meh, there’s still lots of time.

      • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

        I know, but that was pretty sad.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          True.

        • Russell NY

          I still trust Bruney a ton more than I trusted Veras.

  • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

    How good is Josh Anderson? Yanks apparently interested.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      He plays CF and has two non-broken thumbs. That’s the only reason we’re interested. Same story with Corey Patterson.

      • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

        So I can also assume based on this knowledge that he inhales/exhales on a regular pattern and has a beating heart?

    • zs190

      Tremendous LF, can play CF a little bit as well. Fast baserunner but can’t hit, not a bad 4th OF to have. Either he or Corey Patterson would work as a bench guy for us, as long as it costs us nothing but a little bit money.

    • Chris

      He was DFA’d by the Tigers, so he should cost nothing. Along with being able to play CF, that’s all he needs.

  • Russell NY

    I wonder… are teams pissed off at the knowledge that no matter what kind of comeback they mount against our relief pitchers, the Yankees will just bring in Mariano in the end and they will fail?

    God bless Mo. We are going to miss him when he is gone.

  • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

    The Rays now look really stupid, just like the Yankees did last year when they lost that must win series to Boston in late August.

  • Bo

    Bruney is going to force Cashman to make a trade for another pen arm especially with Aceves and his tired arm. In the Yankee world a tired arm leads to shelf time. I cannot see Girardi bringing Bruney into any kind of close game now. He dodged a huge bullet against the A’s with him and he regressed again. Another reliable pen arm and a back end starter would be nice at the deadline.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Any ideas of who you’d like to see and what you’d be willing to give up?

      Also, with the bullpen currently being fronted by Mo-Hughes-Coke-Aceves and probably being Mo-Joba-Coke-Aceves in the postseason, do we really need to upgrade Bruney, since he’s no better than the 5th BP option? Particularly since Melancon is improving and Marte will join the team at some point?

      • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

        WE can’t count on Marte.

        Remember that guy from the D-backs? What was his name again?

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Who, Rauch, or Qualls?

          Qualls probably costs an elite prospect. Rauch is much more available.

          • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

            I was thinking Qualls.

            Rauch too, though.

            • Andy in Sunny Daytona

              I have no qualms with Qualls.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                I have one: price.

                Qualls is like Washburn; both guys probably don’t get moved for anything less than one A- or B+ prospect, along with some other moderate stuff.

                • Andy in Sunny Daytona

                  I just wanted to show off my “Q” words.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Ten lyrical, spherical, diabolical denizens of the deep who haul stall around the corner of the quo of the quay of the quivery, all at the same time.

                • Andy in Sunny Daytona

                  Don Pardo, is that you?

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside
                • Andy in Sunny Daytona

                  Conelrad!

                • Joe R

                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related – Safe for work. It may blow your mind tho. (Ok maybe not)

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              Rauch has a 2.08 ERA, .228/.271/.316 against, and a 12/4 K/BB in 21 IP since the beginning of June.

              • Andy in Sunny Daytona

                Also, Rauch could also seal the deal as far as Yankees over the Knicks basketball series. Always room for an extra big man.

      • Frank

        I think D-Rob will be relied on more. The guy is a strike throwing machine.

        • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

          Really? He K’s a lot but he also issues lots of BB’s.

        • Zach

          man i hope thats a joke

          • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

            I just took it at face value and responded in kind.

            • Zach

              yeah i couldnt tell. at first i thought maybe he meant hes a strike out machine, but well all know his walk numbers are way too high

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            He’s only a little bit wrong.

            Robertson is a strikeout machine, not a strike-throwing machine. Which is still good, just much less good than a true strike-throwing machine (i.e. a guy who gets K’s without giving up BB’s).

            He does have a put-away pitch, he just isn’t efficient enough with it yet and nibbles too much.

      • V

        Come on, now, you know Bo doesn’t actually give any ideas.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          I’m giving him an opportunity to have an actual discussion. Benefit of the doubt, second chances, all that jazz.

          Here’s my Bo/Lanny policy: When he makes a smart, reasonable comment, I respond smartly and reasonably and discuss the issue he’s discussing without malice. When he says something dumb and counterproductive, I respond in kind with snarky vitriol.

        • Tank Foster

          You know, when it comes to Bo, why does everyone have to chime in with their psychoanalysis of him?

          This kind of personal thing doesn’t serve any useful purpose, and it doesn’t make anyone look cool, or funny, or smart. It makes one look petty.

          If someone states something foolish or outlandish, the best response is to either not take the bait and ignore it, or, better, refute it calmly, showing why the comment was so stupid.

          Engaging in locker-room style repartee slamming another person is distasteful, and there is no shortage of it when it comes to Bo.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            The answer to all of your questions is the same:

            Bo/Lanny’s history. He’s rubbed people the wrong way for a looooooooooooong time. I try to give him the benefit of the doubt but it’s hard, man. It’s real hard. And I’m one of the most patient and forgiving people I know.

            • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

              And modest too.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                Well, don’t state the obvious.

                • Tank Foster

                  Rereading my comment, I didn’t say it well. It comes off sanctimonious, and that’s not what I meant.

                  I just hate scrolling through pages of “Bo is a jerk/idiot/non-contributor” almost every time he says something.

                  I know the urge is irresistable, and maybe you’ve got good reasons, and it’s a blog, etc. BUT IT CAN BE SUCH A PAIN IN THE ARSE TO READ!! (Sorry for the shouting).

                  Has anyone ever considered that maybe he likes the negative attention, and all you are doing is fanning the flames?

                  In any case, I wish we could have more wheat and a little less chaff in these discussions….(as he finishes shoveling a bushel of chaff into the stream….)

  • JohnC

    I absolutely would skip Joba’s turn this time around. Don’t want Mitre facing the Red Sox, especially in that first game, likely against Beckett.

    • jsbrendog

      i just threw up in my mouth a little thinking about becket v. mitre

      • Russell NY

        With the way baseball works, we would win.

      • Tank Foster

        i just threw up in my mouth a little thinking about beckett v. mitre

        Heh…but you know, jsbrendog, I think there’s another way to look at it.

        Beckett has been red hot, so he’s due to cool off. Boston’s offense is quite a bit weaker this year than in the past. So, if we have Beckett v. Mitre, we have maybe a better chance than it seems superficially, and if we happen to win, it’s a HUGE coup.

        I actually prefer when we have a weaker pitcher going up against an ace. You figure, the chances aren’t great against Beckett anyway, and if you stand to lose the game, it’s better not to lose with one of your better pitchers.

        (I know…all of my logic can be flipped over and used against me, but you get the idea, right?)

        • Kiersten

          I’ve always thought this way too. Might as well throw your best pitcher against their weakest and almost guarantee a win, rather than waste your ace in a 2-1 or 3-2 game.
          Although there was that Beckett-Burnett game that was like 15-10, so you can’t really predict anything in baseball.

          • Zach

            I agree with the 2nd part. Any given day a no name pitcher can shut out a team for 8 innings, or Jeter/Tex/ARod can go 0-12 in a game

  • Tank Foster

    If anyone’s still on this thread…

    Has anyone wondered why, in a situation like last night, you don’t just let Bruney work out of it?

    I’m asking, not saying I think it’s the right thing to do. It just seems that every time a reliever gets in trouble, they have a quick hook and bring in Mo.

    Yeah, I know, that is the way you win, because Mo is money.

    And I know that by leaving Bruney in there, you risk blowing a 6 run lead.

    But is it ever worth doing it, to help your pitcher? Do you ever say “look, Brian, you have to learn how to get it together and get out of jams. So this is your game to win or lose.”

    It’s a gamble, and you risk losing a game. But the potential upside is that you help your pitcher by showing faith in him and helping him learn to help himself.

    Just wondering. They used to say that one of the reasons Earl Weaver had so many good pitchers was that he did this–kept putting the guys out there, and just forced them to learn how to pitch their way out of jams. (Maybe Memorial Stadium had more to do with him having good pitchers, but hey it’s a thought).

    • Russell NY

      I don’t believe a player should be fixing his mechanics or mental approach in a close game. That is something you do in between appearances.

      • Tank Foster

        True. But what if it isn’t mechanics. What if it’s the classic case of performance anxiety. What if his bullpen sessions are good, but he can’t get the job done in the game.

        While you are no doubt correct, could there be some issues which can ONLY be fixed in a game? And this game wasn’t really that close…he came out with one man on, one out, and a 4 run lead.

        • Zach

          You can say the game wasnt close, but he also already gave up 3H, 2R and 1HR and only got 1 out. willing to leave him in for 1-2 more batters when he obviously didnt have it? (15 pitches, 9 balls, 6 strikes)

    • Mike HC

      I think it would depend on the pitcher. If the guy has a track record of success, you may leave him out there a little bit longer than a guy like Bruney, who has a history of being pretty inconsistent and bad.

  • Paul O’neill

    i really dont trust robertson that much. we need another bullpen arm

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Hey Paulie, what ever happened to your “We’re gonna trade Joba for Halladay, I know an ESPN Insider”?

      AAAAAAAAAAWW, TOO SOOOOOOOOOOON?

  • Paul O’neill

    listen i dont want that to happen. i was just relaying a rumor i heard at work. yanks are finally building a baseball team. just need a bullpen arm and a 5th starter and we are set. Bruney struggling is really hampering us. the red sox are the team that needs to pull off a big trade.

    • Tank Foster

      You gotta have some perspective. No team is complete, and the Yankees are probably, in their wounded state, more complete than any team. I still have this lingering concern that the team is really worried about being over-extended, financially. The new stadium (and any pending lawsuits on it), the outlandish ARod contract (albatross/beast/demon seed of Hank S.), Teixiera/CC/AJ, etc. They may be sailing very close to shore right now, and I don’t expect them to be landing any expensive players in the near future. Maybe I worry for no reason.

  • matt k

    Andy Pettitte is a Starting Pitchaaaa!!

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