Comments on: Are CC Sabathia and AJ Burnett being overworked?

By: How greatly did Burnett’s 2009 affect his 2010? | River Avenue Blues

How greatly did Burnett’s 2009 affect his 2010? | River Avenue Blues — Thu, 27 Jan 2011 19:08:30 +0000

[...] idea of overworking Burnett came up in the middle of the 2009 season. He was a bit above league average in terms of pitches per [...]

By: tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 21:56:56 +0000

If the cubing doesn’t change the effectiveness/ranking ability of the stat (as you claim), that would mean it’s irrelevant, which means the cubing doesn’t make it a dumb stat.

Because it’s moot.

By: Jamie G.

Jamie G. — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 21:26:53 +0000

With guys like CC and AJ I expect at least 110-120 pitches everytime out unless they are getting shelled(doesnt happen very often). They are in their prime and used to it.

By: CT Yankee

CT Yankee — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 21:16:29 +0000

It sounds fancier

By: CT Yankee

CT Yankee — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 21:13:30 +0000

Nothing all are monotonic transforms. They could cube and take the log base 10, rank order would still be the same as if they just added up the inning past 100. Dumb stat.

By: pat

pat — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 21:01:28 +0000

Hey elbow ligament I’m a grown man making 20 million this year, DON’T TEAR! Yo, Rotator Cuff, first year of a multi-year contract NO FRAYING!! kthanksbi

By: King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

King of Fruitless Hypotheticals — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 21:00:15 +0000

a rule that would help pitchers (while offering batters an attempt at maintaining their status) would be to alter the IBB rules as such:

there is NO SUCH THING as a 4BB IBB anymore. any batter would have the option of waiting for another 2 BB and then the batter can walk directly to second base, and can use as many words as he’d like to denigrate the pitcher’s mother, but only while walking on the dirt portion of the mound (if your stadium has a dirt path between home and the mound, i see many fights erupting…fix that quick).

the way pitchers could balance that is to simply throw one pitch from the chest down into the batter, allowing the hit batter to only take first (or count that as one ball, again, in the age of yes we can choice, he gets to choose). a strike at the high chest or above reverts the HBP rule to the 6 BB rule.

peter gammons likes it, so we’re sending it to the commish next week.

By: King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

King of Fruitless Hypotheticals — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 20:49:07 +0000

i love you guys and all, but if you’re going to do it, you need to maintain your standards.

by my count, you’re missing:
2 (no homo)s
1 /sen jeff sessions’s
1 that’s what she said
1 that’s a shot at jeter

By: Scialabba

Scialabba — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 20:40:27 +0000

Key to Yanks is to get every starter to be able to skip a start. If the Yanks can get a lead in the race a six man rotation for two weeks would do wonders come end of August and then get the arms ready for Sept. going into Oct.
One extra pitcher could give everyone a day off.

By: MikeD

MikeD — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 20:17:51 +0000

So according to one of those links, the 12 move-abused pitchers when the article was written (about eleven years ago) were:

12 Most Abused Pitchers
Johnson, Randy 34
Clemens, Roger 35
Colon, Bartolo 23
Schilling, Curt 31
Hernandez, Livan 23
Martinez, Pedro 26
Candiotti, Tom 40
Leiter, Al 32
Moyer, Jamie 35
Sanchez, Jesus 23
Pettitte, Andy 26
Finley, Chuck 35

SIX of the pitchers are still active, with a few others only just retiring, and most of the others retired because of age. The one name that doesn’t fit this list is Jesus Sanchez, because unlike most the others, he did not exhibit much ability to pitch.

I would suggest these names do not support the idea behind PAP, at least for older pitchers. There is some belief that if a pitcher is going to have arm problems, it will pop up when he is younger, in essence the weaker pitchers get weeded out. That also means, perhaps, that reducing innings pitches/pitch counts will not prevent injuries, just delay them.