Baseball America’s Top 20 Rookies

First Half Review: Outfielders and DH
Open Thread: 2009 Pledge Drive Update

After releasing their Midseason Top 25 Prospects List last week, the crew at Baseball America posted their midseason list of the Top 20 Rookies today. Ricky Romero of the Blue Jays tops the list, while Brett Gardner checks in at number nine. The Yankees part-time centerfielder has put up strong numbers with spectacular defense this year, but his Rookie of the Year chase is being held back by not playing every day. Gardy did claim one of the three outfield spots on their All Rookie Team.

No love for Al Aceves, apparently. Don’t get all bent out of shape though, it’s not often a swingman gets any kind of recognition.

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First Half Review: Outfielders and DH
Open Thread: 2009 Pledge Drive Update
  • gxpanos

    Happ is number 2 on this list, and that makes sense, he’s been good. But his stuff didnt seem that good when he faced the Yanks (though I think he won the game…cant remember; he pitched decently, in any event). I was reading Olney and he was saying the Phillies should just tell the Blue Jays, “take any three prospects, other than JA Happ!” The dude’s 26, with average stuff. Hitters are going to catch up with him. The Phillies should trade him while he’s a reasonably hot commodity.

    I bring this up because I want Halladay to a) not go to the Yanks and b) leave the AL.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Yeah, J.A. Happ is nice, but if I could have any three of the Kyle Drabek/Michael Taylor/Dominic Brown/Lou Marson/J.A. Happ grouping, I’m probably not picking Happ anyway.

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

        It doesn’t make sense for the Phils to deal him for a starter, he’s been their #2 for most of the year. That’s robbing Peter to pay Paul, which you don’t do if you’re a ready to win team.

        However, from Ricchardi’s end I’d rather have Happ than any of the Phillies other pitchers, and I’ve read reports saying JP doesn’t love their lower guys.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          I’m telling you, if I’m Tony Reagins, I throw Ervin Santana in the deal. Santana, Wood, and Reckling would be plenty. And they need Halladay way more than we do.

          • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

            Did you see this last night?

            http://www.torontosun.com/spor.....6-sun.html

            Bob Elliott of the Toronto Sun thinks the Angels are the lead horse in the Halladay sweepstakes.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              No, I missed that. I’ve been on the Wood + Reckling + something else bangwagon all story long. Even when ESPN was pimping the Phillies, I’ve been pimping the Angels all along. Toronto needs a SS man, and Brandon Wood is the best they’re going to find.

              • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

                They are the best fit talent-wise. Now you just wonder if they want to pay the talent price for a starter, and if they can afford to add 7 mil this year and 15 next.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  If Adenhart was alive and Santana/Escobar were healthy, probably not.

                  Minus those three, yeah, I think they will.

              • Accent Shallow

                I was under the impression that Wood is a shortstop in the sense that he can stand between second and third, not that he’s much of a glove man.

                Additionally, with his K-rate, he may never succeed in the majors. If he’s the best player the Jays get for Halladay, they made a bad deal.

  • RalphieD

    nice going gardy!

  • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

    I like Aceves sliding under the radar. It’s a secret weapon!

    • The Fallen Phoenix

      Nobody expects Al Aceves!

      • Torquemada

        Our chief weapon is surprise! Fear and surprise! Our two weapons are…

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          GET THE RACK!!!

    • chriskeo

      this is a good point, if your not going to win rookie of the year stay low, we dont care if boston knows are bullpen has actually been decent if not lights out at times, the whole pen has gone under the radar

  • Manimal

    Elvis looks too high on that list, he should definitely be under gardner. His stats just dont compare(minus his stellar defense)

    • whozat

      except that his defense, which is stellar at the most important position on the diamond, counts. For a lot. As it should.

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

    Don’t get all bent out of shape though, it’s not often a swingman gets any kind of recognition.

    You’ve obviously never been to a key party at the Pawlikowski house…

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

    Hey Mike Francesa:

    Andrew McCutchen >>>>>>>>>> Nate McLouth

    • 1upontommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a ridiculous downside

      What the hell are you talking about? I’ve been reading here for a long time, and have been wondering for months, are you a special ed child?

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        That’s the poorest attempt at a putdown I’ve ever seen. Is that really the best you’ve got?

        -1 for not showing your real name, either. Pathetic.

        • pat

          Hah, ridiculous downside…. because you sign your name ridiculous UPside. I get it, awesome.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Yeah, he’s a regular Jokey Jokemaker.

        • http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/413671602_daded72a81_m.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          At least it offered a reason to post this:

          http://tinyurl.com/kkk9pb (SFW)

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Wait, that picture was from the website “Stuff Black People Hate”?

            What is it that we hate in that instance, Special Ed class, special needs people, puppets, Crank Yankers, Jim Florentine, or Comedy Central? I’m confused.

            • http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/413671602_daded72a81_m.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

              Jury duty, apparently.

  • Reggie C.

    Nice to see Ricky Romero get that top spot. My jaw dropped looking at those velocity readings last week against us. He didn’t throw hard coming out of the U, and the calls of overdraft where pretty much based on that fact alone. Romero definitely kept the yankee lineup honest with that FB.

    Romero’s a good lesson that not all college pitchers are near-finished products.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      That.

  • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

    Cash was interviewed by Mike Silva. Here’s some highlights

    ” – Wants to solve issues internally first. Is talking to other clubs, but wouldn’t even mention the name Roy Halladay, citing tampering rules.

    – When asked if anyone is “untouchable” he said that some players are more tradable than others. In a word no.

    – Looks like Sergio Mitre is going to get the fifth spot. Nothing solidified, but he praised his staff for finding Mitre, and mentioned Girardi’s experience with him in Florida. Expect him to get that fifth slot.

    – Wants two lefties out of the bullpen (kudos Frank Russo for having that for us already). Marte, of course, is starting a rehab assignment, but, in my opinion, that is the one area we can expect to see a deal.

    – He mentioned Ivan Nova quite a few times and sounds very excited about his development this year. Since his promotion from Trenton opponents are only hitting .190 against him in the International League. Could we see him in the Yankees bullpen before too long?

    – Sees Montero as a catcher more and more everyday. In his words we “always knew he was a hitter”, but “the catching situation changes things drastically”. Remember, a catcher that can hit, like Montero, is so valuable in a lineup (see Mike Piazza). It would be very painful to give him up in a deal.

    http://nybaseballdigest.com/?p=12690

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      – Looks like Sergio Mitre is going to get the fifth spot. Nothing solidified, but he praised his staff for finding Mitre, and mentioned Girardi’s experience with him in Florida. Expect him to get that fifth slot.

      Meh, I’m happy and sad about that simultaneously.

      Still want Hughes stretched out to replace him. He has a better chance of being a better starter this year, and he needs the innings.

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

        Our bullpen would be a mess if you did that. Bruney would be the setup man, and he simply can’t do that right now.

        I’ve never believed the stuff about him needing minor league innings for his development. He’s been in the majors for pasrt of 3 seasons now, he won’t gain what he needs to learn by getting AAA hitters out. As far as his arm goes, you can send him to Winter Ball. He’ll be fine innings wise to be our 5th starter next year.

        Or Toronto’s. ..

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Our bullpen would be a mess if you did that. Bruney would be the setup man, and he simply can’t do that right now.

          Why wouldn’t either Aceves or Coke be the setup man? Why wouldn’t the three of them share it? And, Marte’s apparently on the way back, why wouldn’t he be part of the mix?

          I’ve never believed the stuff about him needing minor league innings for his development. He’s been in the majors for pasrt of 3 seasons now, he won’t gain what he needs to learn by getting AAA hitters out.

          Not necessarily. He benefits by refining his secondary pitches, something he doesn’t do in the big league bullpen in short stints. In any event, this is a red herring, because I’m specifically talking about Hughes joining the big league rotation now, permanently. CMW’s injury + Joba’s innings caps means the two of them probably share all the innings in the 4th starter role. Mitre and Hughes would share the 5th starter role. Hughes goes to Scranton only for 2-3 starts and then starts for us at the big league level for all the rest of 2009, including playoffs.

          As far as his arm goes, you can send him to Winter Ball. He’ll be fine innings wise to be our 5th starter next year.
          Or Toronto’s. ..

          This is no longer about building innings for me. It’s about having the best big league rotation. Hughes should be in our big league rotation now and going forward.

          • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

            “This is no longer about building innings for me. It’s about having the best big league rotation. Hughes should be in our big league rotation now and going forward.”

            http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....erId=28638

            2009 Hughes as a Starter-
            ERA-5.45
            IP 34.2
            H-37
            BB-15
            SO-31
            BAA-.276
            WHIP-1.52

            2009 Hughes as a Reliever-
            ERA-0.98
            IP 18.1
            H-7
            BB-5
            SO-19
            BAA-.115
            WHIP-0.66

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              That’s a red herring.

              The issue is not “Will Phil Hughes be a better starter than a reliever?” The question is “Will Phil Hughes be a better starter than Sergio Mitre, Josh Johnson, Josh Towers, Kei Igawa, or the currently injured Chien Ming Wang?”

              As far as evidence that Hughes would be the best SP option:

              Hughes, first 3 starts:
              8.49 ERA, .340/.443/.560 against

              Hughes, last 4 starts:
              3.91 ERA, .238/.309/.476 against

              • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

                So facts are now a ‘red herring’ huh?

                It gets old.

                • The Fallen Phoenix

                  No, because Hughes was showing definite improvement as a starter, as TSJC demonstrated with his post above. In fact, this improvement has, in all likelihood, improved by his move to the bullpen, as he continues to excel at getting big league hitters out.

                  That’s what pitchers do, regardless of when they come into a game. And since Hughes has demonstrated – at the professional level, minors and majors – stamina, the ability to throw more than two quality pitches, and the ability to adjust to hitters he faces multiple times in a game, the Yankees would be better off having Hughes in the rotation, where can pitch more innings and get out more batters.

                  And the more good innings the Yankees get out of their rotation, the fewer innings the Yankees need out of their bullpen, so this argument that the bullpen would collapse without Hughes is also fallacious. There are relievers who can approximate the performance Hughes has given out of the bullpen – they won’t have an ERA less than 1, but you don’t need relievers with an ERA less than 1 to have a successful bullpen.

    • Little Bill

      Good. Internally is best. There is no need to deplete the minor league prospects. I would also like to see Hughes be stretched out for the rotation. Hughes, Joba, and Montero are untouchables.

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

        That’s not what he said. He actually said the opposite of what you concluded, by saying “When asked if anyone is “untouchable” he said that some players are more tradable than others.In a word no.”.

        It’s amazing how people seize upon what they want to see and skip over the inconvenient stuff.

        • Little Bill

          I never said Cashman said that. I said they’re untouchables.

          It’s amazing how people seize upon what they want to see and skip over the inconvenient stuff.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      – Wants two lefties out of the bullpen (kudos Frank Russo for having that for us already). Marte, of course, is starting a rehab assignment, but, in my opinion, that is the one area we can expect to see a deal.

      Craig Breslow, Arthur Rhodes, John Grabow, Joe Biemel. Preferences?

  • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

    A source on the Sano side today denied — in unprintable terms — a recent ESPN report that there is a “90 percent chance” that the Pirates will sign Sano. The Pirates and Sano have had minimal contact in the past several days.

    That said, the Pirates are continuing to maintain what they feel is an aggressive posture in this matter.

    http://community.post-gazette......ttern.aspx

  • Brian

    Wait, how did Porcello rank so low?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

      The 1.5 K/BB ratio and the 5.09 ERA over his last 7 starts isn’t helping.