Jul
28

Game 100 Spillover Thread

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Two errors, bad baserunning. Got to get their heads on straight.

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  1. Salty Buggah says:

    OK, offense tie it up now at least.

  2. Dela G says:

    i’m predicting the offense really wakes up in these next 2 innings

  3. Rich D. says:

    I love CC but AJ has been the better pitcher this season. I even consider starting him Game 1 of the playoffs. Yes, I know, its WAY too early to talk about a playoff rotation.

  4. Reggie C. says:

    Brandon Morrow is a good fit for the Yanks.

    - bullpen ace potential and relief for Hughes’s transition to starter
    - potential 2010 starter material that’s > McAllister, Nova, …(fodder)..

    • Mike Pop says:

      Ya, he won’t come cheap.

      • Reggie C. says:

        Upside is really there i think. If it worked out and Morrow found stability here, we could really have another terrific power pitcher in the rotation.

        Morrow’s worth a McAllister, Melancon, and Romine.

        • Mikebk says:

          wow, you just gave up 3 of the top 8-10 prospects in the system for him. thats way too much

          • Lanny says:

            That’s why fans aren’t GM’s

          • Mike Pop says:

            I don’t know. I’d rather not give up Romine but Morrow is an interesting arm. So young too, but can he stay healthy enough to be a starter?

            • Mikebk says:

              why do we need to find out cause if Morrow is young at 25, how young is Z-Mac at 21. lol.

              I mean we could probably get cliff lee with Z-Mac, Romine and A-Jax or less, so this is offering a whole lot imo.

        • I think that’s a bit much for Morrow.

          • Reggie C. says:

            Yeah. probably. but he’s a premium arm and the Mariners are gonna field other offers.

            I can say that I wouldnt go beyond that offer , but I think Morrow represents the type of trade that could help set this rotation or Bullpen right for years to come.

            • Accent Shallow says:

              And why would the Mariners let him go, unless they know something we don’t?

              He’s got a great arm, even if he struggles with command.

              • Reggie C. says:

                Why would they trade Adam Jones and Chris Tillman??

                Mariners front office is kinda stupid that way. Cash must be a player for Morrow … the man has got too great an arm to ignore fo’ teh 8th!!!ll1

                seriously. Morrow is a big upgrade for the ‘pen.

                • Mikebk says:

                  That was a DIFFERENT gm. bavasi is gone. they traded them hoping to make a run if bedard was the number 1 he was hyped to be.

            • Mikebk says:

              and for that we just gave up a reliever a probably number 3 starter who is dominating AAA at 21 and the more likely of our two stud catching prospects to remain at catcher

              • Reggie C. says:

                The only one that bothers me is giving up Romine … but he’s at least 2 years away. Like i said, i wouldnt go beyond that offer and I could ponder it some more , but I would trade McAllister and Melancon immediately for Morrow.

                • Mikebk says:

                  in case you have missed the last couple years cashman is done with the trade the future to win now mode, so i dont see it happening just because romine is 2 years away.

                • Reggie C. says:

                  Morrow is 25 and has a higher ceiling than any player in the trade. I’m pretty sure he qualifies as a future asset for any team.

                  And don’t talk down to me.

                • Mikebk says:

                  oh u dont like it how u talked down a little earlier about how they dealt Jones and Tillman when it wasnt even the same gm?

                  i also dont like dealing for pitchers who have had multiple arms issues as he had forearm issues in the spring and then biceps earlier this year.

                • Reggie C. says:

                  It looks like his velo is peaking at 95 recently but sitting in the 92-94 range. If there’s lingering arm issues, then that’s something to consider for sure. But the more likely reason for decreased velo has been the reconversion to starter.

                  From the articles coming out of Rotoworld, there appears to be a genuine dissatisfaction with Morrow among the Seattle coaches. Insofar as my mention of the previous trade … yeah, that doesn’t hold up with the Morrow situation. It could however drive the price up on Morrow a bit, as he’s still a quality arm.

  5. Salty Buggah says:

    That called strike 1 to Swish is a call CC hasnt gotten tonight. He also has been squeezed a couple of time on the side too.

  6. Dela G says:

    anyone else see the nice twins in pink behind the yankees’ dugout?

  7. Dela G says:

    well, offense better wake up in the 5th so they can get to the rays bullpen (not that the rays’ bullpen is easy to hit against

  8. Jimmy McNulty says:

    I sure hope Kazmir reverts back to his ERA of 6+ for tonight.

  9. Johan Iz My Brohan says:

    That was a bomb

  10. Rich D. says:

    DAMN IT! 4-1 Rays. Pitch right down broadway!

  11. Jimmy McNulty says:

    Bust.

  12. Salty Buggah says:

    damnit CC

  13. Dela G says:

    damn it evan almighty

  14. Yeah, that was a foul ball.

  15. Jimmy McNulty says:

    Fuck this game.

  16. Lanny says:

    Swisher should only play one position. DH.

  17. Ivan says:

    Not a good nite.

  18. putt says:

    can’t catch a break tonight… Gotta keep it right here!

  19. Reggie C. says:

    Swish is gonna hear it from Girardi.

    • The One says:

      Swisher is an above average defender…..his UZR says so…horse shit stat

      • So because it doesn’t agree with what you think it’s horse shit? It’s definitely not a perfect stat but just because it doesn’t say what you believe doesn’t mean it’s wrong.

        • The One says:

          no not because of what i think…because swisher is not an above average defender…it is very flawed

          • V says:

            Because he botched a ball that Nady, Abreu, Guerrero, Dye, etc., etc., etc., etc., can only dream of even touching?

            • The One says:

              Nady, abreu, guerrero, dye dont play that into a triple…does UZA account for that?
              how about the ball he could have played off the wall and held upton at third and crawford at second?

              i dont watch dye enough to know all that much about his D…abreu might get there…prob not nady and guerrero 5 years ago does…not now

              • The One says:

                *UZR

              • V says:

                And for every one he botches like an idiot, he catches 5 (IPTNOMA*) that you don’t even notice. He’s a net positive as a defender.

                UZR is ‘calculated’ by people watching with their eyes! Just because you let the bias of one single observation override the 100s of chances he gets doesn’t make the stat flawed.

                • V says:

                  * I pulled that number out of my ass.

                • The One says:

                  It is not the bias of one single observation….theres been quite a few this year…so i dont kno why you are referring to one single observation at all

                  i notice the good plays he makes just as much as the bad ones…and he has decent range but overall he is not an above average outfielder…my whole point is that uzr is a flawed way of evaluating defense for that reason

                • my whole point is that uzr is a flawed way of evaluating defense for that reason

                  No, it’s not perfect. No defensive stat is. However, UZR is better than nothing and is generally accurate (though it is prone to swings of SSS, like every other stat).

                • i notice the good plays he makes just as much as the bad ones

                  But you don’t remember the routine plays he makes as much as the bad ones. The spectacular flaws are more memorable than the normal solid ho-hum plays.

          • Why is Swisher not an above average defender? Because he dropped a ball on a pretty tough play? He’s not spectacular out there, he’s not gonna be Justin Upton, but he’s not gonna be Adam Dunn or Bobby Abreu. He’s an average to above average defender, by UZR or your eyes if you pay attention to more than the crappy plays (that just about everyone makes over the course of the season).

            • The One says:

              hes made more crappy plays this year than abreu did all of last year….while maybe abreu doesn’t make that play (which is debatable) he does not turn it into a triple…and maybe abreu was “scared” of the wall but i bet he keeps upton at third and crawford at second on the ball earlier…and abreu has a better arm

              • V says:

                And for ever crappy play Swisher botches, he makes 5 (IPTNOMA) that Abreu allowed to hit the wall for a double.

                Abreu was an EPIC FAIL of a defender last season. Swisher is above average.

              • Accent Shallow says:

                Abreu was a freakin’ statue last year.

                I’ll trade the occasional blunder like that for actually making plays on balls in the gaps.

              • Mike Pop says:

                Range >>>> Arm.

                -40.3 in RF for his career for abreu. Even if you find that stat wack, that tells you that he is really horrid in RF.

                He literally gives back all of his offenseive upgrades back with his defense.

              • Range >>> arm. Brett Gardner has a pretty crappy arm but his range in CF is absolutely great. Melky has a great arm but his range in CF is above average at his absolute best. I’d take Gardner in CF over Leche every day of the week and twice on Sundays because of that range.

                I’d be willing to bet that Swisher has gotten to many more balls than Abreu did last year at this point. For all the adventurous plays Swisher “makes” in the OF, he gets to a lot of balls in the RCF gap standing up and planted that a lot of guys don’t get to or have to get to on the run. Like I’ve always said, he’s not gonna be flashy and he’s not gonna be crazy good out there, but he’s gonna be average to above average. You don’t notice his good plays because he doesn’t make them look flashy.

                • The One says:

                  I never said arm was greater than range…but it is a factor in defense…range is not everything…actually catching the ball counts too..and just because swisher got to that ball doesn’t make him an above average defender…he played a single/double into a triple….and he played the wall horribly allowing crawfords triple earlier….and i never said abreu was a good fielder…but the difference is not as crazy as you are making it sounds

                • The One says:

                  Example number 3 in this game alone…where does UZR evaluate a play like that?

                • The One says:

                  Example number 3 in this game alone…where does UZR evaluate a play like that?

                • The One says:

                  Are we going to defend that latest play on his above average range and compare him to dunn and dye now? another boneheaded play that probably does not show up in UZR but should factor in to defensive evaluation

                • but the difference is not as crazy as you are making it sounds</strong.

                  Yes it is. Seriously. Abreu is awful in right. He’s Adam Dunn-like out there.

                • The One says:

                  Abreu does not cover as much ground but has a stronger arm and does not make stupid plays like swisher does….im not even saying abreu is good or better than swisher….im sayin swisher is not an above average defender…at least abreu isnt an idiot out there

                • Swisher looking like an idiot frequently but having superior range and turning large numbers of flyballs into outs instead of hits

                  >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

                  Abreu not looking like an idiot and throwing out the occasional guy with his big arm but turning large numbers of flyballs into hits instead of outs

          • Well, technically, UZR doesn’t say he’s above average. It says he’s slightly, slightly below average.

      • Accent Shallow says:

        He’s a funny player in that he has solid range, but it’s an adventure.

  20. John Duci says:

    bad defense

  21. V says:

    How. The. FUCK. Is that a triple?

  22. Mike Axisa says:

    CC picks Swish up.

  23. James says:

    Shouldnt Sabathia only have 2ER….

    • The One says:

      jeter’s error was on the throw…it was a single with an error allowing longoria to 2nd….crawford scored on arods error with less than 2outs …crawford was on base via triple….they are both earned

  24. Isn’t Morrow a diabetic?

  25. VO says:

    Swisher didn’t need to slide for that.

  26. Dela G says:

    great job getting out of that CC

  27. Salty Buggah says:

    oh well, that triple didnt hurt. PLEASE OFFENSE, score some runs!!!!

  28. nathan says:

    I think this is a good game to get Melancon in…

  29. Rich D. says:

    Sorry to be a downer but Boston just took a 5-2 lead in the 5th… looks like the come back kids are going to have to do what they do best tonight if we want to keep a 2.5 game lead in the AL East.

  30. A.D. says:

    Kazmir raising his trade stock

  31. If the worst thing that happens tonight is the Yanks are only in first by 1.5 games instead of 2.5, I’ll still count my blessings.

  32. James says:

    That happpened a while ago. Boston Sucks.

  33. Salty Buggah says:

    wow, way to hit guys! Now kazmir comes back out for the 7th

  34. Dela G says:

    yikes, the offense trying to make my predictions look like garbage

  35. James says:

    They took that lead in the 3rd…

  36. Rich D. says:

    I heard today that the Angels had interest in Kazmir and TB is wiling to trade him. That could REALLY hurts the Yanks in the long run.

  37. Dela G says:

    hey look, its brett tomko painting kazmir…

  38. Rich D. says:

    Probably last inning for CC… ‘Pen should start throwing.

  39. Doug says:

    Wow, does Johnny throw like a female child. He had to launch the ball into the sky to get it to 2nd.

  40. James says:

    only 1 run against Kazmir hurts… deep deep down it hurts.

  41. Lanny says:

    CC with another clunker. Would be nice to see him win a big game against a good team once.

  42. Mike Axisa says:

    I hate the comments when they’re losing. Let’s scrutinize every stupid little thing we possibly can, and ignore the fact that they’re 23-6 in their last 29 games.

  43. Mikebk says:

    holy shiznit melancon is actually throwing.

  44. Brazilian Yankee says:

    On a night where we could have made the playoff race a 2-team race, our Ace didn’t come through for us. This sucks.

  45. Mike Axisa says:

    Tex is obviously a DH. How does he play that into a single?

  46. Ivan says:

    Bartlett might be the least fearing .331 hitter eva.

  47. Rich D. says:

    Where is CC to cover???

    • Doug says:

      Tex had to leap like three feet in the air to knock the ball down. There is no way CC could have reacted fast enough to back up the bag.

  48. James says:

    Has there been any pitcher more unlucky than CC this year?

  49. Doug says:

    Not even the manliest defensive effort from Tex can save a run. Nothing is going our way tonight.

  50. Jake H says:

    Great effort tonight.

  51. Now when Melancon comes in and shows a little bit of rust, everyone’s gonna say ‘this is why he hasn’t pitched since July 10th.’

  52. Salty Buggah says:

    4 runs are not too much for us. I just wish we could have knocked out Kazmir earlier. I hope their pen implodes tonight.

    Also, I wish we can get to Garza tomorrow and that Joba pitches well again.

  53. charlespoet says:

    CC just looks tired.

  54. Ivan says:

    Yanks can still win this game guys.

  55. Johan Iz My Brohan says:

    Swisher at it again

  56. teix is the man says:

    Listening to Kay compounds a Yankee deficit

  57. Jake H says:

    Get swish the f out of here.

  58. Dela G says:

    damn

  59. charlespoet says:

    Well this type of game was bound to happen. The icky Yankees appeared tonight.

  60. Doug says:

    Nick Swisher: instanttrombone.com

  61. James says:

    CC looks more frustrated… balls are hit exactly where someone can’t make a play, than when they can make a play, they dont make a very good one…

  62. A.D. says:

    Wheels came off the defensive bus

  63. Mike Pop says:

    I blame Swisher for this loss!!

  64. Lanny says:

    Little late for the monthly Melancon appearance.

  65. C Bleak says:

    You can give me all the UZR and runs saved crap all you want. I’m so tired of watching Swisher butcher right field.

  66. Rich D. says:

    O SWISHER!!!!

  67. Doug says:

    Melancon! Stay tuned for partial excitement.

  68. Reggie C. says:

    Swish defies UZR … i just dont see it…

  69. Jake H says:

    Swish neesd a day off out of the field.

  70. Jose says:

    Buehrle is perfect through 4. He has a shot at the record for most consecutive batters retired.

  71. Salty Buggah says:

    lets hope Melancon doesnt show his rust and can last an inning or 2.

  72. Hova says:

    God awful play tonight. They must have been partying in those fine TB “establishments” for A-Rod’s 34th birthday.

  73. Dela G says:

    cc needs to rest a while

    he looked dog tired

  74. Johan Iz My Brohan says:

    Nice Melancon!

    Girardi keep him in another inning or 2!

  75. Ivan says:

    Oh well look on the bright side guys, the yanks were playing well before this game and still lead the division.

  76. Jake H says:

    Love how this team can’t beat up a pitcher who has sucked for most of the year.

    • Salty Buggah says:

      Lombardi? Is that you?

      • Jake H says:

        Nope just frustrated how the players didn’t bring anything to the stadium today.

        • Salty Buggah says:

          OK, you cannot say we didn’t try. Losing doesn’t imply that. We struggled but don’t say we mailed it in. And we have the best offense in baseball so one clunker from them (and CC of course) will happen once in a while.

  77. nathan says:

    Matt Garza… we need a clunker from u…

  78. Charlie says:

    even though the defense clearly shat the bed multiple times tonight, its not like CC was that great. He fell behind batters and got hit rather hard for most of the game.

  79. Mike Pop says:

    The Yankees players don’t care about other teams players.

  80. Dela G says:

    oh wow, that really sucked

  81. trueblue says:

    CC, Defense, or the Offense.. I Can’t decide who ahs had a shittier night so far.

  82. Ivan says:

    Well lets see what Melancon can do.

  83. Mikebk says:

    are the rays showcasing Kazmir tonight cause there really wasnt a reason to send him back out for the 7th w a 5 run lead?

  84. Brazilian Yankee says:

    This game is just like that game early in the season against Verlander when he was struggling terribly.

    Kazmir should send the Yankees a thank you note for turning his season around.

  85. Dela G says:

    melancon looks good at the beginning

  86. Salty Buggah says:

    We had a lot of crushed balls today that were caught and some defensive misplays, it just is not out day. Yes, CC kinda sucked a bit, but we still didnt have luck on our side.

  87. Mike Pop says:

    I’m going to jinx Marky B right now.

    You will not throw another one.

  88. nathan says:

    How about one Mr Buehrle

  89. Charlie says:

    that was a strike.. and melancon looks good

  90. Dela G says:

    wow melancon looked incredible

  91. Mikebk says:

    excellent work melancon. maybe he is earning a little trust to get more chances.

  92. Accent Shallow says:

    Jeez, maybe they should sit Melancon for two weeks more often if he’s gonna pitch like this.

  93. Doug says:

    Melancon gets the curveball on the third try!

  94. Doug says:

    What is Kazmir still doing out here

  95. Salty Buggah says:

    Kazmir for the 8th?

  96. Mikebk says:

    why is Kaz back out there unless he is being showcased? dude has had injury troubles and is now throwing 110 pitches.

  97. Dela G says:

    swisha finally gets that base hit

  98. Mikebk says:

    buehrle major league record 43 straight retired batters

  99. Baaaaaah, isn’t that just the pickle on the giant crap sandwich that is this game?

    /Elliot Reid.

  100. Mikebk says:

    “8:30pm: There’s more from Morosi and Rosenthal, who say scouts from the Phillies, Rangers, Yankees and Brewers are all checking out Washburn’s start tonight.”

  101. Brazilian Yankee says:

    And that’s the ballgame. Let’s hope the Yankees show up tomorrow.

  102. Salty Buggah says:

    I dont know if I should be happy that Jeter got that DP out of the way now or mad since he killed a potential rally.

  103. Accent Shallow says:

    Seems like Jeter’s been good at avoiding that.

    So it goes.

  104. Reggie C. says:

    Crushed … but still an out.

  105. The Evil Empire says:

    44 in a row for Buehrle!

  106. Jackson says:

    So Melancon might be earning a few more innings in the near future.

  107. Mikebk says:

    got unlucky there

  108. Accent Shallow says:

    Perfect game done, as Buerhle walks Alexi Casilla.

    See, it’s not only Yankee pitchers who walk shitty hitters.

  109. Mikebk says:

    vintage Melancon there. 20 pitches for 7 outs.

  110. Accent Shallow says:

    20 pitches, 2.1 innings. Woo. That’s the Melancon we’re used to seeing in DOTF.

    Let’s see if he can do it with the game on the line.

    • Jon G says:

      Yep – exactly… Excited to see more of him.

      He could potentially be HUGE down the stretch — better than Bruney and Robertson — if we can get him going…

      This is a guy who has real 8th inning potential…

      • Zach says:

        that was also said about DRob in his first outings, then we all got tired of his walks. so lets give melancon more than 7 IP

      • Hmmm… Let’s say:

        1) Mo remains holy
        2) Aceves keeps mowing guys down
        3) Coke keeps mowing guys down
        4) Bruney rights himself
        5) Melancon shakes off the rust/jitters and pitches like the buzzsaw he’s been in the minors
        6) Marte comes back strong from injury
        7) Joba goes to the pen when he approaches his innings limits…

        I’d say we’d have 7 great, dominant relievers without including a certain Mr. Phil Hughes, so you-know-who should be eligble to move to the rotation in late August/early September to get ready to be the 4th starter for the playoffs.

        /easyascake’d

  111. Salty Buggah says:

    Ah damn, I truly though we would start a rally here. Oh well, Tex got a DP out of the way now.

  112. Mikebk says:

    maybe a-rod heating up again.

  113. Doug says:

    A-Rod is all “F U RAYS FANS I AM NOT STRIKING OUT”

  114. Doug says:

    Peace out Randy Choate you could not finish the game even after being gifted a DP by Mark Teixeira

    • Doug says:

      Sup JP Howell apparently your team’s bullpen is so trash that Joe Maddon does not trust anyone with a 6-2 lead besides the closer

  115. Salty Buggah says:

    now those DP’s hurt slightly more

  116. Dela G says:

    here come the yankees

  117. Accent Shallow says:

    Howell?

    Guess Maddon isn’t fucking around.

  118. Salty Buggah says:

    well, at least we used their bullpen a bit.

  119. Dela G says:

    aaand there go the yankes

  120. Dorian says:

    WE ARE AWFUL. ONLY 22 GAMES OVER AND ONLY LEADING THE DIVISION BY ONE GAME. WHAT IS THIS GARBAGE?

  121. Russell NY says:

    Season is over. Trade Jeter.

  122. Mikebk says:

    anyone watching the washburn start?

  123. Mikebk says:

    a’s trying to make a rally down 6-4 now in the 8th.

  124. Doug says:

    peteabe says wang having season-ending shoulder surgery tomorrow morning

  125. Manimal says:

    Vintage Melancon. Me likey.

  126. Watching Haren v. Hamels on MLB.TV; this should be a good one.

  127. raysam says:

    c.c. is not a pure ace more like a bluecollar ace he struggles way too much cash may have to go get doc

  128. raysam says:

    we definetely need another ace

    • Manimal says:

      Do you understand what an “ace” is? Sabathia is the perfect definition of an Ace. We do not need Roy Halladay, nor should we even explore giving an arm and a leg for him.

      • Lanny says:

        How does an ace give up 5 runs in 5 innings?

        • I think Manimal forgot the one thing you know, Lanny, that no one else does: pitchers designated as aces never have bad games ever.

          • David Cone was an ace. He went 35-0 with a 0.00 ERA every single year in pinstripes, I remember it like it was yesterday.

            That was back when men were men and a superidiot like Cashman wasn’t allowed to make decisions, he just sat his bitch-ass in the back of the room and shut the hell up while the grown folks talked.

        • Zach says:

          come on dude, i know it was a frustrating game but do we have to do this after every loss?
          here are the list of things that get bitched about
          a. CC isnt an ace
          b. Joba should be in the bullpen
          c. Swisher is a 4th OF
          d. why didnt we use melancon
          e. use mo in the 8th in a big spot and bruney in the 9th
          f. cano is lazy / melky is unmotivated

  129. Zach says:

    tie game in boston! pap blew 3 run lead

  130. Steve H says:

    This would be uuuuge if Oakland can win this game.

    Not really in the grand scheme of things, but it would be extremely fun to see.

  131. Chip says:

    I’m enjoying watching Papelbon get hit around the park

  132. Dela G says:

    paplebon blew the lead

    thank mo

  133. dan says:

    I dont know if anyone has put this stat up, but it is very depressing; CC 1-8 vs teams over .500. Call me crazy but I think the Yanks might face some more of those teams come Oct.

  134. Johan Iz My Brohan says:

    In play, run(s)

    YES!

  135. Dela G says:

    YES!!!

    A’s TAKE THE LEAD!

  136. ZK says:

    How did Davis score from first on a single?

  137. Dela G says:

    INSURANCE RUNS!

    9-7 A’s

  138. Rich D. says:

    WOW!!!! MY NIGHT WENT FROM BAD (YANKS LOST), TO TERRIBLE (WANG’S SEASON ENDING SURGERY), TO GREAT WITH THE SOX BLOWING THE LEAD!

  139. bonestock94 says:

    Man on 3rd 2 outs, fuck, anything can tie the game now..

  140. DGeezy says:

    come on 1 more out dammmit

  141. Johan Iz My Brohan says:

    A’s WIN!

  142. bonestock94 says:

    Wooooooooooooooooo

  143. Rich D. says:

    AND THE BALL GAME IS OVER! YES!!! RED SOX LOSE! PAPELBON SUCKS! YANKEES STAY 2.5 GAMES UP!

  144. DGeezy says:

    YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!

  145. Russell NY says:

    This is so satisfying.

  146. Dela G says:

    SOX LOSE SOX LOSE SOX LOSE!

  147. bonestock94 says:

    If Pedroia and Youk did some game winning heroics I think I would’ve cried. BSPN would actually find something more annoying to report on than Brett Favre’s last bowel movement.

  148. Jimmy McNulty says:

    Sox are totally getting Halladay :(

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