I love CC but AJ has been the better pitcher this season. I even consider starting him Game 1 of the playoffs. Yes, I know, its WAY too early to talk about a playoff rotation.
An ERA estimator based on strikeout rate, walk rate, and home run rate. It’s been shown to be a better predictor of a pitcher’s ability going forward than ERA.
Eh, ya. But he’s on some of the time, CC is much more consistent. As uuuge of a Allan James fan as I am, I’d take 2 CC’s over a CC and Burnett everyday.
Yeah. probably. but he’s a premium arm and the Mariners are gonna field other offers.
I can say that I wouldnt go beyond that offer , but I think Morrow represents the type of trade that could help set this rotation or Bullpen right for years to come.
and for that we just gave up a reliever a probably number 3 starter who is dominating AAA at 21 and the more likely of our two stud catching prospects to remain at catcher
The only one that bothers me is giving up Romine … but he’s at least 2 years away. Like i said, i wouldnt go beyond that offer and I could ponder it some more , but I would trade McAllister and Melancon immediately for Morrow.
in case you have missed the last couple years cashman is done with the trade the future to win now mode, so i dont see it happening just because romine is 2 years away.
It looks like his velo is peaking at 95 recently but sitting in the 92-94 range. If there’s lingering arm issues, then that’s something to consider for sure. But the more likely reason for decreased velo has been the reconversion to starter.
From the articles coming out of Rotoworld, there appears to be a genuine dissatisfaction with Morrow among the Seattle coaches. Insofar as my mention of the previous trade … yeah, that doesn’t hold up with the Morrow situation. It could however drive the price up on Morrow a bit, as he’s still a quality arm.
Swisher is probably 2-6 runs below the average RF this year, and this is the worst defensive year he’s ever had by far. That’s not a guy who should only be DHing. Those are guys like Manny Ramirez, Adam Dunn, Jason Bay and the like, guys who are 15-30 runs below average.
Swisher is perfectly serviceable in RF. He’s not a problem. Compared to the other outfielders we’ve had recently (like Sheffield, Abreu, Damon, Matsui, and Feared Williams), he’s practically Willie Mays in his prime.
The fact that people complain more about Swisher’s defense than they did about Abreu and Sheff is ridiculous.
So because it doesn’t agree with what you think it’s horse shit? It’s definitely not a perfect stat but just because it doesn’t say what you believe doesn’t mean it’s wrong.
Nady, abreu, guerrero, dye dont play that into a triple…does UZA account for that?
how about the ball he could have played off the wall and held upton at third and crawford at second?
i dont watch dye enough to know all that much about his D…abreu might get there…prob not nady and guerrero 5 years ago does…not now
And for every one he botches like an idiot, he catches 5 (IPTNOMA*) that you don’t even notice. He’s a net positive as a defender.
UZR is ‘calculated’ by people watching with their eyes! Just because you let the bias of one single observation override the 100s of chances he gets doesn’t make the stat flawed.
It is not the bias of one single observation….theres been quite a few this year…so i dont kno why you are referring to one single observation at all
i notice the good plays he makes just as much as the bad ones…and he has decent range but overall he is not an above average outfielder…my whole point is that uzr is a flawed way of evaluating defense for that reason
my whole point is that uzr is a flawed way of evaluating defense for that reason
No, it’s not perfect. No defensive stat is. However, UZR is better than nothing and is generally accurate (though it is prone to swings of SSS, like every other stat).
i notice the good plays he makes just as much as the bad ones
But you don’t remember the routine plays he makes as much as the bad ones. The spectacular flaws are more memorable than the normal solid ho-hum plays.
Why is Swisher not an above average defender? Because he dropped a ball on a pretty tough play? He’s not spectacular out there, he’s not gonna be Justin Upton, but he’s not gonna be Adam Dunn or Bobby Abreu. He’s an average to above average defender, by UZR or your eyes if you pay attention to more than the crappy plays (that just about everyone makes over the course of the season).
hes made more crappy plays this year than abreu did all of last year….while maybe abreu doesn’t make that play (which is debatable) he does not turn it into a triple…and maybe abreu was “scared” of the wall but i bet he keeps upton at third and crawford at second on the ball earlier…and abreu has a better arm
Range >>> arm. Brett Gardner has a pretty crappy arm but his range in CF is absolutely great. Melky has a great arm but his range in CF is above average at his absolute best. I’d take Gardner in CF over Leche every day of the week and twice on Sundays because of that range.
I’d be willing to bet that Swisher has gotten to many more balls than Abreu did last year at this point. For all the adventurous plays Swisher “makes” in the OF, he gets to a lot of balls in the RCF gap standing up and planted that a lot of guys don’t get to or have to get to on the run. Like I’ve always said, he’s not gonna be flashy and he’s not gonna be crazy good out there, but he’s gonna be average to above average. You don’t notice his good plays because he doesn’t make them look flashy.
I never said arm was greater than range…but it is a factor in defense…range is not everything…actually catching the ball counts too..and just because swisher got to that ball doesn’t make him an above average defender…he played a single/double into a triple….and he played the wall horribly allowing crawfords triple earlier….and i never said abreu was a good fielder…but the difference is not as crazy as you are making it sounds
Are we going to defend that latest play on his above average range and compare him to dunn and dye now? another boneheaded play that probably does not show up in UZR but should factor in to defensive evaluation
Abreu does not cover as much ground but has a stronger arm and does not make stupid plays like swisher does….im not even saying abreu is good or better than swisher….im sayin swisher is not an above average defender…at least abreu isnt an idiot out there
jeter’s error was on the throw…it was a single with an error allowing longoria to 2nd….crawford scored on arods error with less than 2outs …crawford was on base via triple….they are both earned
Sorry to be a downer but Boston just took a 5-2 lead in the 5th… looks like the come back kids are going to have to do what they do best tonight if we want to keep a 2.5 game lead in the AL East.
How are the Tigers a good team? Did you notice that lineup? And if Sabathia had that first 2 innings vs the Sox or Angels or Rays they would have had 5 runs.
I hate the comments when they’re losing. Let’s scrutinize every stupid little thing we possibly can, and ignore the fact that they’re 23-6 in their last 29 games.
I’m not worried. I know we are the better team in the East. Still, it would have been nice to win this game. Especially with our ace going against a struggling pitcher not far removed from a long layoff due to injury.
Yo, Lanny, for me, just as a personal favor, could you show up to ONE game thread during a win? If you do, I’ll send you a buck or something. Come on. Please?
OK, you cannot say we didn’t try. Losing doesn’t imply that. We struggled but don’t say we mailed it in. And we have the best offense in baseball so one clunker from them (and CC of course) will happen once in a while.
even though the defense clearly shat the bed multiple times tonight, its not like CC was that great. He fell behind batters and got hit rather hard for most of the game.
We had a lot of crushed balls today that were caught and some defensive misplays, it just is not out day. Yes, CC kinda sucked a bit, but we still didnt have luck on our side.
“8:30pm: There’s more from Morosi and Rosenthal, who say scouts from the Phillies, Rangers, Yankees and Brewers are all checking out Washburn’s start tonight.”
You are right. What I meant to say is this is most definately not the Yankees we are used to watch. For whatever reasons they didn’t play up to their potential today. Let’s hope they do tomorrow.
1) Mo remains holy
2) Aceves keeps mowing guys down
3) Coke keeps mowing guys down
4) Bruney rights himself
5) Melancon shakes off the rust/jitters and pitches like the buzzsaw he’s been in the minors
6) Marte comes back strong from injury
7) Joba goes to the pen when he approaches his innings limits…
I’d say we’d have 7 great, dominant relievers without including a certain Mr. Phil Hughes, so you-know-who should be eligble to move to the rotation in late August/early September to get ready to be the 4th starter for the playoffs.
Do you understand what an “ace” is? Sabathia is the perfect definition of an Ace. We do not need Roy Halladay, nor should we even explore giving an arm and a leg for him.
David Cone was an ace. He went 35-0 with a 0.00 ERA every single year in pinstripes, I remember it like it was yesterday.
That was back when men were men and a superidiot like Cashman wasn’t allowed to make decisions, he just sat his bitch-ass in the back of the room and shut the hell up while the grown folks talked.
come on dude, i know it was a frustrating game but do we have to do this after every loss?
here are the list of things that get bitched about
a. CC isnt an ace
b. Joba should be in the bullpen
c. Swisher is a 4th OF
d. why didnt we use melancon
e. use mo in the 8th in a big spot and bruney in the 9th
f. cano is lazy / melky is unmotivated
I dont know if anyone has put this stat up, but it is very depressing; CC 1-8 vs teams over .500. Call me crazy but I think the Yanks might face some more of those teams come Oct.
If Pedroia and Youk did some game winning heroics I think I would’ve cried. BSPN would actually find something more annoying to report on than Brett Favre’s last bowel movement.
OK, offense tie it up now at least.
i’m predicting the offense really wakes up in these next 2 innings
Wow, way to go out on a limb there.
i also did predict that cc would cruise after the 3rd inning
lets hope that holds
I hope you are right
I love CC but AJ has been the better pitcher this season. I even consider starting him Game 1 of the playoffs. Yes, I know, its WAY too early to talk about a playoff rotation.
AJ has certainly pitched better of late but there is a lot of season left to go.
You do, but apparently you don’t. Interesting.
What? I do but I dont?
“I even consider starting him Game 1 of the playoffs. Yes, I know, its WAY too early to talk about a playoff rotation.”
or that he loves CC
Sabathia’s been better and it’s not particularly close.
Sabathia
6.78 IP/start
3.62 FIP
1.16 WHIP
Burnett
6.37 IP/start
4.48 FIP
1.35 WHIP
Burnett’s been better of late, for sure. But CC’s been better considering the entire body of work.
Whats FIP?
Fielding independent pitching.
An ERA estimator based on strikeout rate, walk rate, and home run rate. It’s been shown to be a better predictor of a pitcher’s ability going forward than ERA.
Fielding Independent Pitching. It’s based on homers, walks and strikeouts. Takes defense right out of the equation.
amazing how when burnett is hot everyone forgets that bad stretch he had. cc has been much more consistent.
I agree BUT if AJ is on… I think he is the more dominant pitcher. He has total filth.
Eh, ya. But he’s on some of the time, CC is much more consistent. As uuuge of a Allan James fan as I am, I’d take 2 CC’s over a CC and Burnett everyday.
CC’s case would be much better if he actually beat a good team. Can’t beat Angels, Rays, Sox.
Brandon Morrow is a good fit for the Yanks.
- bullpen ace potential and relief for Hughes’s transition to starter
- potential 2010 starter material that’s > McAllister, Nova, …(fodder)..
Ya, he won’t come cheap.
Upside is really there i think. If it worked out and Morrow found stability here, we could really have another terrific power pitcher in the rotation.
Morrow’s worth a McAllister, Melancon, and Romine.
wow, you just gave up 3 of the top 8-10 prospects in the system for him. thats way too much
That’s why fans aren’t GM’s
I don’t know. I’d rather not give up Romine but Morrow is an interesting arm. So young too, but can he stay healthy enough to be a starter?
why do we need to find out cause if Morrow is young at 25, how young is Z-Mac at 21. lol.
I mean we could probably get cliff lee with Z-Mac, Romine and A-Jax or less, so this is offering a whole lot imo.
I think that’s a bit much for Morrow.
Yeah. probably. but he’s a premium arm and the Mariners are gonna field other offers.
I can say that I wouldnt go beyond that offer , but I think Morrow represents the type of trade that could help set this rotation or Bullpen right for years to come.
And why would the Mariners let him go, unless they know something we don’t?
He’s got a great arm, even if he struggles with command.
Why would they trade Adam Jones and Chris Tillman??
Mariners front office is kinda stupid that way. Cash must be a player for Morrow … the man has got too great an arm to ignore fo’ teh 8th!!!ll1
seriously. Morrow is a big upgrade for the ‘pen.
That was a DIFFERENT gm. bavasi is gone. they traded them hoping to make a run if bedard was the number 1 he was hyped to be.
and for that we just gave up a reliever a probably number 3 starter who is dominating AAA at 21 and the more likely of our two stud catching prospects to remain at catcher
The only one that bothers me is giving up Romine … but he’s at least 2 years away. Like i said, i wouldnt go beyond that offer and I could ponder it some more , but I would trade McAllister and Melancon immediately for Morrow.
in case you have missed the last couple years cashman is done with the trade the future to win now mode, so i dont see it happening just because romine is 2 years away.
Morrow is 25 and has a higher ceiling than any player in the trade. I’m pretty sure he qualifies as a future asset for any team.
And don’t talk down to me.
oh u dont like it how u talked down a little earlier about how they dealt Jones and Tillman when it wasnt even the same gm?
i also dont like dealing for pitchers who have had multiple arms issues as he had forearm issues in the spring and then biceps earlier this year.
It looks like his velo is peaking at 95 recently but sitting in the 92-94 range. If there’s lingering arm issues, then that’s something to consider for sure. But the more likely reason for decreased velo has been the reconversion to starter.
From the articles coming out of Rotoworld, there appears to be a genuine dissatisfaction with Morrow among the Seattle coaches. Insofar as my mention of the previous trade … yeah, that doesn’t hold up with the Morrow situation. It could however drive the price up on Morrow a bit, as he’s still a quality arm.
That called strike 1 to Swish is a call CC hasnt gotten tonight. He also has been squeezed a couple of time on the side too.
anyone else see the nice twins in pink behind the yankees’ dugout?
well, offense better wake up in the 5th so they can get to the rays bullpen (not that the rays’ bullpen is easy to hit against
I sure hope Kazmir reverts back to his ERA of 6+ for tonight.
That was a bomb
DAMN IT! 4-1 Rays. Pitch right down broadway!
Bust.
damnit CC
damn it evan almighty
Yeah, that was a foul ball.
Hmm, maybe not. Either way, tough play and a tough call.
On a related note, that is the range of Swisher right there.
Yah, good range, but if you scratch, it you catch it.
It was a super hard call… I would probably call it fair.
Fuck this game.
Swisher should only play one position. DH.
You should only play DH!
Designated Hater?
IETC.
Yeah but how many RF could even reach to that ball? Very few.
…how many right fielders even get to that ball to have a chance of catching it?
a lot
Riiiiiiight.
Defending Swishers defense?
Even you guys cant be that much of super fan homers.
Swisher is probably 2-6 runs below the average RF this year, and this is the worst defensive year he’s ever had by far. That’s not a guy who should only be DHing. Those are guys like Manny Ramirez, Adam Dunn, Jason Bay and the like, guys who are 15-30 runs below average.
Swisher is perfectly serviceable in RF. He’s not a problem. Compared to the other outfielders we’ve had recently (like Sheffield, Abreu, Damon, Matsui, and Feared Williams), he’s practically Willie Mays in his prime.
The fact that people complain more about Swisher’s defense than they did about Abreu and Sheff is ridiculous.
Xavier Nady and Bobby Abreu probably don’t even get to that ball to make a play on it.
Oh lookie, they’re losing, Lanny’s back.
Not a good nite.
can’t catch a break tonight… Gotta keep it right here!
Swish is gonna hear it from Girardi.
Swisher is an above average defender…..his UZR says so…horse shit stat
So because it doesn’t agree with what you think it’s horse shit? It’s definitely not a perfect stat but just because it doesn’t say what you believe doesn’t mean it’s wrong.
no not because of what i think…because swisher is not an above average defender…it is very flawed
Because he botched a ball that Nady, Abreu, Guerrero, Dye, etc., etc., etc., etc., can only dream of even touching?
Nady, abreu, guerrero, dye dont play that into a triple…does UZA account for that?
how about the ball he could have played off the wall and held upton at third and crawford at second?
i dont watch dye enough to know all that much about his D…abreu might get there…prob not nady and guerrero 5 years ago does…not now
*UZR
And for every one he botches like an idiot, he catches 5 (IPTNOMA*) that you don’t even notice. He’s a net positive as a defender.
UZR is ‘calculated’ by people watching with their eyes! Just because you let the bias of one single observation override the 100s of chances he gets doesn’t make the stat flawed.
* I pulled that number out of my ass.
It is not the bias of one single observation….theres been quite a few this year…so i dont kno why you are referring to one single observation at all
i notice the good plays he makes just as much as the bad ones…and he has decent range but overall he is not an above average outfielder…my whole point is that uzr is a flawed way of evaluating defense for that reason
my whole point is that uzr is a flawed way of evaluating defense for that reason
No, it’s not perfect. No defensive stat is. However, UZR is better than nothing and is generally accurate (though it is prone to swings of SSS, like every other stat).
i notice the good plays he makes just as much as the bad ones
But you don’t remember the routine plays he makes as much as the bad ones. The spectacular flaws are more memorable than the normal solid ho-hum plays.
Why is Swisher not an above average defender? Because he dropped a ball on a pretty tough play? He’s not spectacular out there, he’s not gonna be Justin Upton, but he’s not gonna be Adam Dunn or Bobby Abreu. He’s an average to above average defender, by UZR or your eyes if you pay attention to more than the crappy plays (that just about everyone makes over the course of the season).
hes made more crappy plays this year than abreu did all of last year….while maybe abreu doesn’t make that play (which is debatable) he does not turn it into a triple…and maybe abreu was “scared” of the wall but i bet he keeps upton at third and crawford at second on the ball earlier…and abreu has a better arm
And for ever crappy play Swisher botches, he makes 5 (IPTNOMA) that Abreu allowed to hit the wall for a double.
Abreu was an EPIC FAIL of a defender last season. Swisher is above average.
Abreu was a freakin’ statue last year.
I’ll trade the occasional blunder like that for actually making plays on balls in the gaps.
Range >>>> Arm.
-40.3 in RF for his career for abreu. Even if you find that stat wack, that tells you that he is really horrid in RF.
He literally gives back all of his offenseive upgrades back with his defense.
Range >>> arm. Brett Gardner has a pretty crappy arm but his range in CF is absolutely great. Melky has a great arm but his range in CF is above average at his absolute best. I’d take Gardner in CF over Leche every day of the week and twice on Sundays because of that range.
I’d be willing to bet that Swisher has gotten to many more balls than Abreu did last year at this point. For all the adventurous plays Swisher “makes” in the OF, he gets to a lot of balls in the RCF gap standing up and planted that a lot of guys don’t get to or have to get to on the run. Like I’ve always said, he’s not gonna be flashy and he’s not gonna be crazy good out there, but he’s gonna be average to above average. You don’t notice his good plays because he doesn’t make them look flashy.
I never said arm was greater than range…but it is a factor in defense…range is not everything…actually catching the ball counts too..and just because swisher got to that ball doesn’t make him an above average defender…he played a single/double into a triple….and he played the wall horribly allowing crawfords triple earlier….and i never said abreu was a good fielder…but the difference is not as crazy as you are making it sounds
Example number 3 in this game alone…where does UZR evaluate a play like that?
Example number 3 in this game alone…where does UZR evaluate a play like that?
Are we going to defend that latest play on his above average range and compare him to dunn and dye now? another boneheaded play that probably does not show up in UZR but should factor in to defensive evaluation
but the difference is not as crazy as you are making it sounds</strong.
Yes it is. Seriously. Abreu is awful in right. He’s Adam Dunn-like out there.
Abreu does not cover as much ground but has a stronger arm and does not make stupid plays like swisher does….im not even saying abreu is good or better than swisher….im sayin swisher is not an above average defender…at least abreu isnt an idiot out there
Swisher looking like an idiot frequently but having superior range and turning large numbers of flyballs into outs instead of hits
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Abreu not looking like an idiot and throwing out the occasional guy with his big arm but turning large numbers of flyballs into hits instead of outs
Well, technically, UZR doesn’t say he’s above average. It says he’s slightly, slightly below average.
He’s a funny player in that he has solid range, but it’s an adventure.
Swisher makes Abreu look like a gold glover.
That statement is batshit insane. That’s easily the most incorrect thing you’ve ever said, and that’s saying something, Lanny.
bad defense
How. The. FUCK. Is that a triple?
CC picks Swish up.
Shouldnt Sabathia only have 2ER….
jeter’s error was on the throw…it was a single with an error allowing longoria to 2nd….crawford scored on arods error with less than 2outs …crawford was on base via triple….they are both earned
oh yeah, alright, i thought there were 2 outs on A-Rods throw, thanks.
Isn’t Morrow a diabetic?
Yes.
Yup. Has issues staying ‘up’ all game as a starter.
Yes, type 1 I believe
He ain’t a starting pitchah becaue of the diabeetus.
Swisher didn’t need to slide for that.
He was trying to avoid the bullpen mound.
great job getting out of that CC
+1
oh well, that triple didnt hurt. PLEASE OFFENSE, score some runs!!!!
I think this is a good game to get Melancon in…
Sorry to be a downer but Boston just took a 5-2 lead in the 5th… looks like the come back kids are going to have to do what they do best tonight if we want to keep a 2.5 game lead in the AL East.
that happened like in the 2nd or 3rd
Kazmir raising his trade stock
If the worst thing that happens tonight is the Yanks are only in first by 1.5 games instead of 2.5, I’ll still count my blessings.
That happpened a while ago. Boston Sucks.
wow, way to hit guys! Now kazmir comes back out for the 7th
Yeah, you shouldn’t let him get into the 7th. He throws way too many pitches.
yikes, the offense trying to make my predictions look like garbage
They took that lead in the 3rd…
I heard today that the Angels had interest in Kazmir and TB is wiling to trade him. That could REALLY hurts the Yanks in the long run.
hey look, its brett tomko painting kazmir…
Assuming he doesn’t get DFA’d first.
haha touche
It’s basically Penelope’s loom from The Oddysey – the longer he takes to paint the picture, the longer he stays on the team.
IETCVM.
you do know they dfa’s him last week, right
Somehow I think Penelope had a little more leverage.
Probably last inning for CC… ‘Pen should start throwing.
maybe.
Wow, does Johnny throw like a female child. He had to launch the ball into the sky to get it to 2nd.
only 1 run against Kazmir hurts… deep deep down it hurts.
my fault. i sat him on my fantasy team after starting shields last night.
CC with another clunker. Would be nice to see him win a big game against a good team once.
This was a big game?
Lanny, you are the best dude. 9-3 in his last 15 starts, Yanks have been ROLLING. Yet, you still bitch and moan.
Had CC pitched a gem tonight, I guarantee you Lanny would have said it wasn’t a big game. It only became a big game when CC lost it.
There’s always a negative spin for the Lan-Man.
Don’t you remember that brilliant effort when Sabathia outlasted Verlander and the first place Tigers two starts ago?
Me neither.
The Tigers aren’t a big team.
/Lanny’d
How are the Tigers a good team? Did you notice that lineup? And if Sabathia had that first 2 innings vs the Sox or Angels or Rays they would have had 5 runs.
I think I hear your mom telling you that your bedtime is fast approaching.
I hate the comments when they’re losing. Let’s scrutinize every stupid little thing we possibly can, and ignore the fact that they’re 23-6 in their last 29 games.
lanny only comes out for the losses.
I know.
That, and because Bo isn’t nocturnal.
holy shiznit melancon is actually throwing.
On a night where we could have made the playoff race a 2-team race, our Ace didn’t come through for us. This sucks.
Come on, relax.
I’m not worried. I know we are the better team in the East. Still, it would have been nice to win this game. Especially with our ace going against a struggling pitcher not far removed from a long layoff due to injury.
Too bad there’s not a game against the Rays tomorrow…
Were the Rays going home for the rest of the year if they lost tonight?
Holy hyperbole, this is a bit of an exaggeration buddy.
Tex is obviously a DH. How does he play that into a single?
LOL
Please dont tell us that Swisher is a good def RF. Now thats comedy.
Bartlett might be the least fearing .331 hitter eva.
freddy sanchez waves..
good one.
Where is CC to cover???
Tex had to leap like three feet in the air to knock the ball down. There is no way CC could have reacted fast enough to back up the bag.
Has there been any pitcher more unlucky than CC this year?
Any other excuses for him? Strike zone? Umps? Too big a uni?
Yo, Lanny, for me, just as a personal favor, could you show up to ONE game thread during a win? If you do, I’ll send you a buck or something. Come on. Please?
Yup, every poor performance is due to the player being an overpaid, gutless choker with no ability.
Not even the manliest defensive effort from Tex can save a run. Nothing is going our way tonight.
I just had a mini nightmare of Tex getting a cleat to the hand.
Great effort tonight.
F FOR EFFORT AMIRITE GUYS
Now when Melancon comes in and shows a little bit of rust, everyone’s gonna say ‘this is why he hasn’t pitched since July 10th.’
4 runs are not too much for us. I just wish we could have knocked out Kazmir earlier. I hope their pen implodes tonight.
Also, I wish we can get to Garza tomorrow and that Joba pitches well again.
CC just looks tired.
Yanks can still win this game guys.
Swisher at it again
Listening to Kay compounds a Yankee deficit
Get swish the f out of here.
damn
Well this type of game was bound to happen. The icky Yankees appeared tonight.
Nick Swisher: instanttrombone.com
CC looks more frustrated… balls are hit exactly where someone can’t make a play, than when they can make a play, they dont make a very good one…
Wheels came off the defensive bus
I blame Swisher for this loss!!
Little late for the monthly Melancon appearance.
Clueless Joe at it again.
You can give me all the UZR and runs saved crap all you want. I’m so tired of watching Swisher butcher right field.
O SWISHER!!!!
Melancon! Stay tuned for partial excitement.
Swish defies UZR … i just dont see it…
There are no def stats that beats using common sense and your eyes.
So, you’re saying UZR is a good thing?
You do realize that UZR is tabulated by guys watching game after game after game, right?
UZR = common sense + lots of eyes
Swish neesd a day off out of the field.
Buehrle is perfect through 4. He has a shot at the record for most consecutive batters retired.
lets hope Melancon doesnt show his rust and can last an inning or 2.
God awful play tonight. They must have been partying in those fine TB “establishments” for A-Rod’s 34th birthday.
MONS VENUS!!!
cc needs to rest a while
he looked dog tired
Nice Melancon!
Girardi keep him in another inning or 2!
Oh well look on the bright side guys, the yanks were playing well before this game and still lead the division.
There are never bright sides to losses with a 200 mill payroll!!
you mean there is a bright side to losing only the 2nd time in 12 games? Huh, didnt know. I though the season was ova!
You would think Tampa took our first born tonight.
Love how this team can’t beat up a pitcher who has sucked for most of the year.
Lombardi? Is that you?
Nope just frustrated how the players didn’t bring anything to the stadium today.
OK, you cannot say we didn’t try. Losing doesn’t imply that. We struggled but don’t say we mailed it in. And we have the best offense in baseball so one clunker from them (and CC of course) will happen once in a while.
Matt Garza… we need a clunker from u…
even though the defense clearly shat the bed multiple times tonight, its not like CC was that great. He fell behind batters and got hit rather hard for most of the game.
The Yankees players don’t care about other teams players.
oh wow, that really sucked
CC, Defense, or the Offense.. I Can’t decide who ahs had a shittier night so far.
Well lets see what Melancon can do.
are the rays showcasing Kazmir tonight cause there really wasnt a reason to send him back out for the 7th w a 5 run lead?
This game is just like that game early in the season against Verlander when he was struggling terribly.
Kazmir should send the Yankees a thank you note for turning his season around.
melancon looks good at the beginning
We had a lot of crushed balls today that were caught and some defensive misplays, it just is not out day. Yes, CC kinda sucked a bit, but we still didnt have luck on our side.
I’m going to jinx Marky B right now.
You will not throw another one.
You will not make this putt….you JACKASS.
Suck my white ass ball!!!
I eat pieces of shit like you for breakfast.
You eat pieces of shit for breakfast?
No!
Hey! You no want breakfast?!
How about one Mr Buehrle
that was a strike.. and melancon looks good
wow melancon looked incredible
excellent work melancon. maybe he is earning a little trust to get more chances.
Jeez, maybe they should sit Melancon for two weeks more often if he’s gonna pitch like this.
Melancon gets the curveball on the third try!
What is Kazmir still doing out here
Kazmir for the 8th?
why is Kaz back out there unless he is being showcased? dude has had injury troubles and is now throwing 110 pitches.
swisha finally gets that base hit
2 hrs last night..
he fouled it by an inch in the earlier pitch….
buehrle major league record 43 straight retired batters
golf clap.
Baaaaaah, isn’t that just the pickle on the giant crap sandwich that is this game?
/Elliot Reid.
“8:30pm: There’s more from Morosi and Rosenthal, who say scouts from the Phillies, Rangers, Yankees and Brewers are all checking out Washburn’s start tonight.”
And that’s the ballgame. Let’s hope the Yankees show up tomorrow.
I hope you aren’t saying that they didn’t try today
or that this team isnt capable of coming back
They certainly didn’t bring their A game today. Let’s hope they do tomorrow.
They struggled but doesnt mean they didn’t try
You are right. What I meant to say is this is most definately not the Yankees we are used to watch. For whatever reasons they didn’t play up to their potential today. Let’s hope they do tomorrow.
Yup.
It’s baseball. Shit happens, you can’t let it get to you too much. Hope for better results tomorrow.
I dont know if I should be happy that Jeter got that DP out of the way now or mad since he killed a potential rally.
tough to consider that a potential rally at that point.
true but you never know the Yanks, especially with the 2-3-4 hitters up next.
Honestly, with that offense, it’s never tough to consider a rally.
Seems like Jeter’s been good at avoiding that.
So it goes.
Crushed … but still an out.
44 in a row for Buehrle!
45
walk ends it but still the no-no out there.
jinxed it!
So Melancon might be earning a few more innings in the near future.
finally
got unlucky there
Perfect game done, as Buerhle walks Alexi Casilla.
See, it’s not only Yankee pitchers who walk shitty hitters.
No hitter done as well.
vintage Melancon there. 20 pitches for 7 outs.
vintage?
who knew he has been around long enough to ever be vintage
Vintage? Maybe in Trenton.
20 pitches, 2.1 innings. Woo. That’s the Melancon we’re used to seeing in DOTF.
Let’s see if he can do it with the game on the line.
Yep – exactly… Excited to see more of him.
He could potentially be HUGE down the stretch — better than Bruney and Robertson — if we can get him going…
This is a guy who has real 8th inning potential…
that was also said about DRob in his first outings, then we all got tired of his walks. so lets give melancon more than 7 IP
Hmmm… Let’s say:
1) Mo remains holy
2) Aceves keeps mowing guys down
3) Coke keeps mowing guys down
4) Bruney rights himself
5) Melancon shakes off the rust/jitters and pitches like the buzzsaw he’s been in the minors
6) Marte comes back strong from injury
7) Joba goes to the pen when he approaches his innings limits…
I’d say we’d have 7 great, dominant relievers without including a certain Mr. Phil Hughes, so you-know-who should be eligble to move to the rotation in late August/early September to get ready to be the 4th starter for the playoffs.
/easyascake’d
Ah damn, I truly though we would start a rally here. Oh well, Tex got a DP out of the way now.
alex just singeled
aint over yet
yea but we had a way better chance before the DP by Tex
maybe a-rod heating up again.
A-Rod is all “F U RAYS FANS I AM NOT STRIKING OUT”
Peace out Randy Choate you could not finish the game even after being gifted a DP by Mark Teixeira
Sup JP Howell apparently your team’s bullpen is so trash that Joe Maddon does not trust anyone with a 6-2 lead besides the closer
now those DP’s hurt slightly more
here come the yankees
Howell?
Guess Maddon isn’t fucking around.
Word rite.
well, at least we used their bullpen a bit.
aaand there go the yankes
WE ARE AWFUL. ONLY 22 GAMES OVER AND ONLY LEADING THE DIVISION BY ONE GAME. WHAT IS THIS GARBAGE?
Season is over. Trade Jeter.
anyone watching the washburn start?
a’s trying to make a rally down 6-4 now in the 8th.
Batting Nomar third is such an awful lineup move as to be a fireable offense. The three guys after him all have a higher OPS.
peteabe says wang having season-ending shoulder surgery tomorrow morning
Vintage Melancon. Me likey.
Watching Haren v. Hamels on MLB.TV; this should be a good one.
Damn, the Phillies have Haren up to 70 through 2 2/3.
c.c. is not a pure ace more like a bluecollar ace he struggles way too much cash may have to go get doc
There are good reasons for getting Roy Halladay. This is not one of them.
we definetely need another ace
Do you understand what an “ace” is? Sabathia is the perfect definition of an Ace. We do not need Roy Halladay, nor should we even explore giving an arm and a leg for him.
How does an ace give up 5 runs in 5 innings?
I think Manimal forgot the one thing you know, Lanny, that no one else does: pitchers designated as aces never have bad games ever.
David Cone was an ace. He went 35-0 with a 0.00 ERA every single year in pinstripes, I remember it like it was yesterday.
That was back when men were men and a superidiot like Cashman wasn’t allowed to make decisions, he just sat his bitch-ass in the back of the room and shut the hell up while the grown folks talked.
come on dude, i know it was a frustrating game but do we have to do this after every loss?
here are the list of things that get bitched about
a. CC isnt an ace
b. Joba should be in the bullpen
c. Swisher is a 4th OF
d. why didnt we use melancon
e. use mo in the 8th in a big spot and bruney in the 9th
f. cano is lazy / melky is unmotivated
tie game in boston! pap blew 3 run lead
on a pair of nick green errors
attaboy nick
But Nick Green and his 80 OPS+ was another ridiculously shrewd move by Theo!!!
Granted, boston will probably win this cause they are at home, but that’s the Nick Green we came to know a couple of years ago.
This would be uuuuge if Oakland can win this game.
Not really in the grand scheme of things, but it would be extremely fun to see.
I’m enjoying watching Papelbon get hit around the park
paplebon blew the lead
thank mo
I dont know if anyone has put this stat up, but it is very depressing; CC 1-8 vs teams over .500. Call me crazy but I think the Yanks might face some more of those teams come Oct.
Anyone know AJ’s numbers vs. teams over .500?
In play, run(s)
YES!
YES!!!
A’s TAKE THE LEAD!
How did Davis score from first on a single?
he stole second
then he scored
Thank you
INSURANCE RUNS!
9-7 A’s
WOW!!!! MY NIGHT WENT FROM BAD (YANKS LOST), TO TERRIBLE (WANG’S SEASON ENDING SURGERY), TO GREAT WITH THE SOX BLOWING THE LEAD!
Hold up on that one. Bailey is about to blow the game for the A’s.
Well 1st and 2nd no outs for Boston now, let’s hope Bailey can get his shit together..
Man on 3rd 2 outs, fuck, anything can tie the game now..
come on 1 more out dammmit
A’s WIN!
Wooooooooooooooooo
AND THE BALL GAME IS OVER! YES!!! RED SOX LOSE! PAPELBON SUCKS! YANKEES STAY 2.5 GAMES UP!
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!
This is so satisfying.
SOX LOSE SOX LOSE SOX LOSE!
If Pedroia and Youk did some game winning heroics I think I would’ve cried. BSPN would actually find something more annoying to report on than Brett Favre’s last bowel movement.
Sox are totally getting Halladay