Jul
04
Game 80 Spillover Thread
ByChien-Ming Wang left today’s game after 5.1 innings with an unknown injury. We’ll update once we find out what it is.
Update (3:23pm): Strained right shoulder for Wang. He’ll have an MRI later today. Hello DL.
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I hope he’s alright. He was kinda good today beside the last inning.
Now, can we PUHLEASE score some runs!
Always tough to do against Hallady – but I’m keeping my fingers crossed
I’ve seen it all. People are actually defending someone with a 10 ERA.
were people defending Alex when he was hitting .212? Thats what you do when you talk about someone who has a track record
He still had a very good OBP despite his low average and we didnt have a younger more capable player waiting.
right, you pick out one thing in ARod’s game that was good and focused on it. He couldnt hit an inside pitcher, outside pitch, or pitch down the middle. THat’s not difference then looking at Wang and seeing improvement from where he was and wanting to give him more then 3 starts before saying cut/trade him
His defense was stunning as well
The difference was Arod had a 1.000 OPS for a while when he came back despite the low average. He slumped for a while and is getting back to form. Dont compare Arods track record to Wangs, thats down right silly. Wang has not showed a dominant start that we seen from previous years.
I think people are defending an asset that had a ton of value at one point and hoping it reestablishes it’s value for the Yankees or for a trade
What do you expect here? The Wang apologists will stop at nothing to defend him. The excuses are plentiful. The facts are the facts. The teams record when he pitches is terrible.
facts are facts, you only show up when the yankees are losing.
since hes been back the team is 2-3 in his starts. 1 game they got shut out and one game they scored 2 runs
Bruney warming, like the idea.
Just got home. How was Wanger’s stuff today?
Sucks about the injury. Maybe Hughes will get some extended time in the rotation.
Hughes cant be ready to start in 4 games. I think Aceves will get the spot start, go 3-4, Hughes comes in and goes 2-3, and then piece it together from there
Making his current “role” even more intelligent!
man that really sucks about the injury :/
Just bring up a starter from AAA and leave the pen alone. Why break up a good thing? Isn’t that why you have AAA starters?
Hughes is the 6 starter. Why bother understand anything.
what starter would you like to bring up Lanny?
Josh Towers is a born winner!
Go Melky!!!
Gardner pop-ups really grind my gears
the way he swings, i’m not shocked that he pops up a lot
Wang got a midsection injury on mlb.com
how can you hurt yourself “there” on MLB.com? Maybe he got hurt on Matsui’s website.
IETC – I was thinking exactly the same thought
And Bruney is about to put this game out of reach.
Can’t expect more from a Wang start knowing that you will need 7+ runs to be in the game.
yup, Wang gives up 6 runs every time he goes out there
Wang gave up four runs, not six.
well bruney lets the hit parade going
Bruney’s giving up rockets of late. Whenever he starts to go on a little roll, he gets hurt.
Bruney’s back to throwing when he was fat
Maybe I won’t have to watch Wang rehab in the majors anymore.
You don’t like seeing a team punt every 5th day while a guy with a 10 ERA starts???
lol at walking ADAM LIND. I don’t care if he’s on fire, pitch to the damn guy
Well, that’s stupid. Why would you do that?
No good can come from this intentional walk. Rolen’s en fuego.
Of course it won’t matter, Bruney will probably walk him because guys always struggle to throw strikes after IBBing someone.
well somehow he got rolen out fast
Again, Wang’s last three starts before this one:
v WSN: 5.0, 3R, 4SO, 2BB, 12:2 GB:FB, 91 PI.
@ ATL: 5.0, 3R, 4SO, 1BB, 7:7 GB:FB, 62 PI.
@ NYM: 5.1, 2R, 3SO, 3BB, 13:3 GB:FB, 85 PI.
Adding today’s:
v TOR: 5.1, 4R, 1SO, 1BB, 11:6 GB:FB, 66 PI.
That’s not a 10 ERA. That’s 12 R in 20.2 IP, which comes out to a 5.34 ERA. Sure, it’s not pretty, but that’s about what you’d want a 4th starter to provide. And considering at least one outing was cut short by an injury (which may or may not have contributed to two runs), and another was shortened by the NL, his numbers should probably look a little better than that.
Wang was rushed back from an injury that was not properly treated by the Yankees, and roster rules (with a dash of panic over the Joba line drive) prevented his rehabbing it fully in the minors and instructional leagues, as he should have. That’s another thing to take into consideration. It’s not that Wang has been bad because of brute ineffectiveness – he has been bad because it doesn’t seem like he’s come all the way back from last year’s injury.
This does not excuse his performance, not by any means. And in an ideal world, yes, you have Wang work out his injury problems somewhere that isn’t the majors. But since we’re not in an ideal world, you live with what you have, and that’s a 5th starter in a rotation that’s already stacked with two potential 1st starters, and a 3rd who is currently pitching like a 2nd or 3rd starter with 1st starter potential. You can more than get by with that when you have the top offense in the league.
At least the Bruney 8th inning stuff is now over.
you are so damn negative! Where were you when we were winning?
If Bruney gets out of this inning without giving up 1-2 runs I will personally attach a pornstache to my face for the weekend.
Get it ready…
Okay – We’re all waiting to see it!
Damn, where can I find one on a holiday weekend?
Yankees win this game. No way do they squander the runs that they have scored.
If they can hold it to 5-3 its still very winnable
Oy, lucky.
wow what a play by cano!
Bruney just got VERY lucky
Let the scoring commence!
It’s sad, but the Yankees have made me despise “God Bless America”
It’s F’d out.
I’m sick of it too
so change the channel
Why?
Because they do it every day? Because they play it on television every night on YES? I feel like I’m in a reeducation camp when I go to the stadium.
Reeducation? I take it you didn’t go to Catholic school?
I take it Yankee Stadium isn’t a Catholic school.
Well the yanks got the top of the order up, so lets go.
So if Wang is hurt, and Hughes replaces him in the rotation, who is the 8th inning guy?
Melancon time yet?
Certainly doesn’t look like Bruney is the 8th inning guy
Jobaaaaaaaaa
/sarcasm X100000
Whomever matches up with the lineup in the 8th. And I’d guess that Melancon comes up.
Over at NESN the announcers are talking about how Red Sox players and fans are rooting for Wakefield to make the All-Star Team. I hate the Red Sox but I actually hope Wake makes the squad
He’s not going to make it. They already have Bay, Pedroia, Youk, Papelbon, and Beckett going; they’re not going add a pitcher with a 4.30 era with and ERA+ of 108
Speaking of Wakefield, how pathetic is it that one of the “Big 5″ has Tim Wakefield at the top of all their franchise pitching leaderboards?
Bob Gibson, Whitey Ford, or Tim Wakefield?
Strained right shoulder either sounds real bad or real minor.
DL and 5 starts for one Mr. Phil Hughes
unfortuantely Phil isnt stretched out so 2-3 of those will be <5IP
Gameday says CMW left because of an injured neck/shoulder
Here we come. The Good Yankee teams normally find a way to win this game.
Well Phil Hughes come on down, ur the next contestant on the next starting yankee pitcher.
Maybe that neck/shoulder problem has been there subterraneously all year.
Positively, DAMONIC!
/band boxed
YEAAAAAAAAA!!!!!
I fucking love this Ballpark
OH YEAH DAMON, OH YEAH.
Love those Yankee Stadium cheapies. And people complain about this park?
Johnny Rocket… better than Damon-ic
Hughes to the rotation, or Mitre up?
HR baby!
DAMON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ALL RIGHT Damon
DAMON BABY!!!
That bases loaded no runs is looking huge now
Definitely
How you like the new ballpark now Roy?
Come on though that hr would of been gone in the old Yankee stadium.
wow i still can’t believe we got 5 off this guy
bandbox
Who pitches the 8th with CMW headed for the DL? Do you still go to Hughes?
i don’t think it matters, i bet they will find someone capable
I was more thinking in terms of today’s affairs.
Yes, worry about today’s game first. He probably needs to throw 2 innings today to start getting stretched out
Now the experts can say that Wang kept us in a game against Halladay
A-rod with another single!
Let’s GET GET IT YANKEES!
Hmm, have MLB teams always played ARod to pull so much?
Yes cano coming up without risp!!!!!!!
lol
maybe they can get whatever has been ailing cano with runners on base out of his eye!
If they win, Kruk’s going to say no way they could’ve beaten Halladay unless it was for that “Yankee Stadium” HR by Damon
does anyone wonder how Brandon League’s ERA isn’t lower than it is even though he throws 96-99 with an assload of movement?
he had a couple blow up games
6/12 1 IP 5 R
5/4 2 IP 3 R
4/17 2 IP 3 R
4.15 1 IP 3 R
incredible, huh?
i saw him pitch in toronto earlier this season and was really impressed
i guess he has that “electric stuff/no control” problem
only 2.7 BB9 this year, down from 4.1 last year, but his era is up 2 runs
never mind on the cano thing
I’m done with Cano.
thats nice i’ll inform the Yankees management
That’s funny
And his top 3 2b statistcs.
I think Street makes his way to the Yankees now if Wang hits the DL
Why would the Rockies trade him to us? Everything I’ve read suggest they are actually looking for 2 bullpen arms for a playoff run, trading their closer and best bullpen arms does not make sense at all. They would really have to fall on their face this month for this to have any chance.
Prob Qualls, more available and cheaper
At least Halladay is done for the day
small sample or not RObbie Cano is NOT a 5th batter!
Cano is fuckin dead to me.
If you can’t hit with men on base and in the clutch, then you cant be a Yankee. Plain and simple.
We should trade this fuckin stooge while we can still get some value for him.
He’s a 24/7 head case – always has been, always will be.
Thank you for contributing nothing to the conversation.
IETC
this better be sarcasm.
Yes, he has struggled mightily with runners on but he still is a good player.
HAHAHAHa you are just plain old retarded
I think it’s important to point out that you name is “Moose Nuts”
Posterboard. Err, I mean oaktag.
This is sarcasm right?
I think Cano needs two days rest.
The Philthys is pretty solid nickname.
Hughesus Cristo
Nice inning Phil
We need a starter now, who’s out there for the taking?
I wonder if Phil Hughes is available, hope we can trade for him
I hear that guy Hughes is pretty good.
Good inning by Hughes. They were being VERY aggressive.
Hey has anyone noticed the umpires aren’t there today?
They weren’t there yesterday either…
haha i mean the fake umpires from toronto…
What is a “shoulder strain” anyway? My understanding is that muscles “strain” and ligamets can be sprained or torn. A shoulder strain then could actually mean a deltoid muscle strain, which is minor and does not involve structural damage to the shoulder joint. Of course, it could also mean that whoever reported the injury has no clue.
He has more then just a regular sore shoulder obviously, they obviously wont know until the MRI.
I think strain is just the general statement for when the shoulder doesn’t feel right, that’s why they are taking a MRI to check it out. It could be a mild muscle strain or it could be something much more serious, we don’t know yet.
If the game is still tied at the top of the ninth I hope they bring back Phil instead of going to Mo.
Lets say Wang goes on DL, would the yanks take Hughes out of the BP and put him in the rotation?
Gotta figure, other than Mitre who is not on the 40 man, who do you bring up, I guess Aceves, but I imagine they like him where he is
I love when Roy Halladay gets pissed off. I remember when he was steaming pissed that Melky hit a go-ahead HR off of him in either April 2007 or 2008. He was shouting at Melky to get back in the dugout because it was an old Yankee Stadium cheapie.
Keep hughes as the 8th man, or move him to starter and trade for an 8th inning guy
Trade for the 8th inning.
+1
for all the #’s folks, which I am not, wouldn’t Cano’s, I guess, clutchiness or hitting with runners on from the 5th spot, even out at some point?
It will because of variance. Players always go through hot and cold streaks. Yankee fans should know that from watching Cano over the past 2 years. But some people just insist on overreacting to every bad stretch. Just look at the people declaring the Yankees dead after a mini slump in June.
Looks like the “CANO CAN’T HIT 5TH AND HE’S NOT CLUTCH!” debate has replaced “JOBA TO THE BULLPEN” “POSADA CAN’T CALL A GAME AND CERVELI SHOULD START!” AND “A-ROD IS FINISHED!” as the new flavor of the week. I can’t wait until Robbie turns hot and his bad streak corrects itself. It always does.
Once Cano recovers, what’s the next debate? I’m looking at Phil Hughes is a bust when he struggles to put together good starts initially.
back to Joba, cant go more then a week without people getting their fix
Aceves as a starter maybe, trade for another pen arm
I hate Michael Kay and his cheesy sayings but the Philthy’s is a pretty cool nickname.
why don’t we just bring up a guy from scranton instead of trading?
hahahaha did cone just mention KEI IGAWA?
Hit-deki!
Was that a Kei Igawa mention I just heard?
Yep, that Matsui’s washed up. Right Dela G?
haha i’m going to get hell for that the entire season
LOL
Anyone one know if there are possible ways to watch recent episodes of This Week in Baseball online? I wanted to watch today’s Gehrig special but couldn’t. It’s not on Hulu.
Please, no Igawa.
hahah matsui is so done as a professional baseball player.
That Matsui guy sure is hitting well these days. But I thought people declared him done after he had a cold streak. I can’t wait until Cano gets hot.
Oh No Cone is a B-Hugheser
damn Boston losing….nice
isnt it 2-2?
YES – Still 2-2 top of the 9th
yeah it is…. lol
maybe he has ESP and knows whats coming?
what the hell….When I went to check scores on mlb.tv thing it had it as 3-2…now it went back to 2-2
When are we bringing up Duncan to replace Matsui?!!?
/irrational yankee fan
I really hope Hinske replaces Ransom as the DH if his at bat comes up…
you and i both
Is it just me or does Michael Kay regularly use words wrong in an attempt to seem superior to everyone else?
Am I high, or are people saying someone other than Hughes should replace CMW if he’s hurt?
both?
I don’t know why they would. Hughes has been lights out in the bullpen and he’s far more valuable as a starter. Too bad for Wang but Hughes needs to be starting.
Or, sign Pedro and add a bat and a RP in the market.
sign Pedro
not happening
add a bat
no need. Any bat worth while would cost way too much
and a RP in the market
I like this
Why not pinch hit Swisher there?
Wang to the DL Melancon up Phil to the rotation
Gardner is out of his league today
Sorry everybody, I got home after Wanger was injured. How was his stuff in the first 5 innings? Better? Gameday had his velocity still low 90′s (before the injury)…was hoping he’d be able to dial it up a little more by now.
Sink? Control?
command was decent, velocity was down somewhat.
How do the yanks score runs with a washed up Matsui and a over the hill A-Rod.
oh well, the yankees will have to “walk it out” to win the game
damn, we didn’t capitalize. Gardner seems to have gone cold again.
And many thought he was the second coming of Joe Dimaggio after his 5-6 game. These things always have a way of correcting themselves.
I don’t where you keep getting these things from. Many? No one, maybe 1 person thought anything about Gardner except that he had been playing well. Trust me, he’ll get hot again.
So what we gon do? Is it a good problem to have the best option for the bullpen and the Starting Rotation be the same guy?
Does Girardi not realize Mo sucks in a tie game? The rest of the fanbase knows it
Mo in any siatuion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hughes in any situation
Maybe Hughes should stay as the 8th inning guy, may depend on who’s available. Aceves maybe. Ramiro Mendoza type.
No no no no. We’ve already had this debate with Joba! Hughes is a starter!
isnt this the 5th post you’ve made about the same issue?
Tomko’s still on the roster?
I hate it when they bring in Mo in these tie game situations. Why not bring back Hughes for the 9th?
Why not bring in your best pitcher in a tie game at home?
because you also have the option of keeping your lights out 8th inning guy in the game.
I think the stats support this . . but Mo just ins’t as effective in tie games
stats support Mariano has his highest ERA against Baltimore, so should he never pitch against Baltimore again?
Just heard it from Kay – Save situations 1.95 ERA Non saves – 5.45 ERA
Considering he may be slotting into Wang’s spot, today would be a good day to stretch him out
because Mo is not our best pitcher in tie games
Hughes to the rotation. Mendoza out of retirement, and to the pen.
Who will have the walk off today on the yanks?
mmm… pie
It’s the 4th, so AROD
I would’ve liked to see Phil Hughes pitch the 9th, but I get why Joe Girardi didn’t – with the top of the order due up for the Yankees in the bottom of the 9th, he wants this inning locked the fuck down.
Plus he’s going to fuckin Mo.
i don’t get why we don’t use hughes for 2 and mo for the rest in case something happens…
I strongly agree
Don’t worry guys Mo got this
Well atleast this stops Francesa and his bullpen talk, unless he starts going through rosters to try and find a ’4th-5th starter type’ to move Joba to the bullpen
lol you know he’ll me calling for Zmac randomly one day
be*
yeah maybe calling for him to be the 7th inning guy.
He’ll be calling for Zach Duke- because he could win 15 games on a good team!
or IAN SNELL cuz he struck out 17 in a AAA game!
Unless he now wants Hughes to stay in the bullpen! I wouldn’t be surprised if he flipped.
Josh Towers to start!!!!!
Boston still tied 2-2 top 9 Seattle with 2 on one out
Man. Blue Jay hitters are friggin’ pesky. They can put together some at bats when they want to.
whats with all the damn foul balls
arg strike him out!
You guys saying Mariano shouldn’t be pitching do realize that it’s impossible for Mo to get the save in this game, right? If the game goes to 14 innings and your only options are Tomko and Mariano, you use Tomko? Yeah, cuz Mariano can’t pitch in tie games. We’ll just leave our best bullpen pitcher and the greatest closer ever on the bench because he can’t pitch in this game, it’s tied!
Actually, that’s not what people are saying. Read the comments above.
My thinking is that a win isn’t guaranteed by the Yanks in the bottom of the ninth. Hughes is pitching well. Phil pitches the 9th and then you STILL have Mo for the 10th and 11th if need be.
I think a better argument is that Hughes has been so good, that you can probably get away with using him in the ninth. That lets you go to Mo in the 10th.
Obviously, I’m not complaining about the move, especially with the top of the order coming up. I certainly dont think Mo should never pitch unless it’s a save situation. I think it’s still a reasonable debate though. Philly probably would have pitched a scoreless ninth.
Nice DP!!!
holy sheet double play!
Mo sucks in tie games, period, always.
/sarcasm
Yeah – And the fact that Mo’s ERA is 2.5 times higher in tie games than save situations isn’t real? Sarcasm?
Come on, get to ARODs walk-off
Seattle has the bases loaded one out, top 9 tied 2-2
With Saito pitching
Woodward singles, 3-2 seattle winning
great job mo!
Too bad Mo sucks in non save situations
Oh, look at that, Mariano Rivera pitched a scoreless inning in a tied game, who would’ve thunk it?
You just can’t predict baseball.
M’s got em loaded in the 9th with 1 out. Woodward at the plate
Mariano can’t pitch in tie games.
now the Mariners are winning!
In play (runs) is a beautiful sight.
3-2 Seattle
OK, how many of you hacks put in for Michael Jackson Tickets, be honest!
i did, and i live in texas
Go Mariners
LETS GO YANKEES AND MARINERS!
A “gritty” reference.
The Gritty, Gutty New York Yankees
ow many times did Kay just say the word gritty
WTF Steve McNair died?
who told you that?
http://twitter.com/BreakingNews
whoa?? no news yet
Nashville TV station reporting it as murder-suicide. Holy crap.
holy crap that is so tragic
interesting, i’m waiting for reuters/ap to confirm
what??
I’ll wait on that one. That sounds a little fishy
Where did you get that?
http://www.wkrn.com/Global/story.asp?S=10643916
Shocking just shocking.
Let’s GO JETER!
Ichiro up now with 2 outs bases loaded against Saito
great AB
nice job with the walk jete
nice ab by Jeter
Great AB by DJ.
Awesome at bat by Jetes.
Great AB by Jeter. Now here comes the bunt.
Jeter walks! Let’s go Johnny Damon!
Bases loaded with 1 out and the Mariners can’t bring in any more runs – AAAGH
I think you hit Damon here
I love the non-bunt call, gimmie all the outs I can use.
Damon k’s.
Iight, Tex it would be a good time for a that homer ur waiting for.
2 down in the 9th lets go Aardsma
send the runner?
Hells yeah.
It would be hilarious if the correction process started with this AB by Cano. I would quote everybody above for the next week!
Oh boy!
http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/.....id=4305770
What was he thinking?
BoSox Lose!! Yeah!
FUCK YEA WE WIN AND WE WUD BE ONE GM OUT
even more amazing since we did lose 8 games against the redsox. just shows you where we could be if we won some games against the sox.
Very frustrating – But coulda, shoulda, woulda doesn’t count
Great, now they’re going to walk A-Rod to get to Cano.
And they are bringing in the lefty. That is a very good thing for Robby. He focuses a lot more on staying through the ball and going the other way.
Pinch hit for Cano
This would be a good time for Robbie to prove the naysayers wrong.
iight lets go Cano.
Not sure this is the guy I want up with RISP.
Cano, a chance for redemption
Today, we spell redemption C-A-N-O.
I would love a cano walk off almost as much as an A-rod walk off
If Cano comes through here, all hell will break loose.
Damn, was hoping B(S)J Ryan would come in.
Cano swings at the first pitch. True or False?
True
True
False
Bob wins
What’s my prize?
hopefully, a Yankees win
Robbie – Do Something
Isn’t cano domini(cano).
Just swung at ball 3
I wish Leche was up
Hit please.
I nominate Swisher for the #5 spot.
Damnit Cano!
wow cano cannot catch a break at the plate with RISP
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