Jul
05
Game 81 Spillover Thread
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ransom can rot in hell
Never seen a thread go from happy to “OMFG WTF END OF TEH WORLD” in a matter of minutes.
Heh. “Time to send him to the bullpen”/
IETC
It’s still early.
Please get back in this offense, or else this is gonna be one angering game
ransom quickly became the career minor leaguer you want to succeed to gtfo you’re garbage.
Honestly, I dont give a fuck anymore. I always wanted Joba to be a starter but its clearly not the right move. Joba needs to be switched with Hughes asap. Idc that Joba has giving up 3er or less in 24 out of 28 starts. He’s not a good starter idc what anyone says. Make him the future closer he’s proven he can do that and hasnt proved anything as a starter. He only has his velocity and good stuff out of the bullpen so put him where he belongs. The guy cant get put of the 5th inning.
out of the 5th inning*
You’re insane.
just like ransom, gtfo
why are there retarded people amongst the yankee fan population?
This is just your typical overreaction to one bad start. People did the same thing when CC had a bad one recently.
I was told that CC pitched well against the Mets because he wanted to stay in so he could hit and the M’s startt he did not care.
I love people.
oaktag
Oh goodness. He allowed four runs on two cheapie homers to Lind and Hill, plus Ransom booted that ball.
Half a season of starts does not a career make.
I wouldnt trust Joba as a closer right now let alone as the 8th inning guy. He is struggling as a starter and it wont change as a reliever.
I still think there’s something wrong with his shoulder. He hasn’t had the same velocity from last season, and his command has been way off. I dont remember him painting the outside corner with his FB like he used to last season.
the velocity was there today, he just can’t locate his freakin fastball he works so hard, he’s never had this many problems with control.
His velocity is not there, causing him to overthrow and therefore losing command.
joba was throwing 96 today… the velocity was there. The biggest problem joba has had this year is the walks. then the walks lead to high pitch counts. He usually gets up to around 95 3 or 4 innings in. All he has to do is solve that problem and then he is right there. LETS PUT Z-MAC, BRACKMAN, AND AJAX IN THE BULLPEN TOO WHY DONT WE!
Ugly, ugly inning. Heck, ugly game for that matter.
Man, Hill’s home run was ridic.
I blame A-rod!
If he wasn’t hurt, he’d be out there and Ransom would not have messed up.
We’re looking at a 4+hour game.
That ends with a Swisher walk off.
fuck that. this game has melky written all over it.
Heh, so you hope. i’m seeing a big A-Rod hit to finish it
Lol Drew every comeback has Melky written on it for you. Can’t blame you though.
Reminds me of those ugly Yanks-O’s sluggfests
This is what happens to young starters, especially when their defense doesn’t do them any favors behind them.
Yesterday, David Price couldn’t get out of the second inning, and got pounded for six runs by Texas (a team Joba manhandled earlier this year).
Joba is a below average starter and a way above average reliever. The front office needs to make the correct decision and move Joba to the pen over the allstar break and put Hughes back in the rotation
lol BELOW AVERAGE STARTER ahahhaa
dude had an under 4 era coming into the game and you say below average starter? he’s an above average starter and an excellent reliever.
you, ransom and scouting reports need to gtfoh!
Or you know we can get a great starter seeing as many young starters struggle. IT’S NOT JSUT JOBA. Patience for young starters fore Yankee fans = virtually nonresistant.
I would rather take Zack Greinke than like Papelbon.
No. You’re wrong. See above. Young starters struggle with bouts of inconsistency – it’s how they learn and grow.
Look at Greg Maddux’s first full year in the majors. Or Josh Beckett’s. Or Jon Lester’s. Or Zack Greinke. Or David Cone’s.
Because of one bad start? Why didn’t they move CC to the bullpen when he struggled vs. Seattle? Before this game, Joba’s ERA was below 4 which was 2nd among the starters and pretty good in the AL East.
Dude, don’t even go there on this site. You’ll be mauled by hundreds of Joba sympathizers and spin artists. If things dont work out with half the people on this site on the employment market, I’m pretty sure Fox News is hiring.
Face it Joba has been below average. 5ip 3er every start is below average to me
Well if Toronto can come from a 4 run deficit can’t see why we can’t.
We’ll take the lead back at some point. It’s just a matter of being able to hold it…
cmon. one freaking out!
Guys please stop blaming Ransom. Joba gave up 9 hits in less than 4 innings and his WHIP for the season is 1.52 which is worse than even Pettitte.
Very true. Joba was unhittable out of the pen now he gets smacked around as a starter. His whip is disgusting.
I didnt say all that…
Yeah if Joba goes to the bullpen he’ll have a 0.00 ERA. One inning pithcers are wayyyyyyyy more valuable than starters. I don’t know why we got CC WHEN WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN TEH K-ROD!!!! OMFG CASHMAN SUX!!111!!!11
180 ks in 55 innings. with a 0.00 era.
posada drops third strike 15 times so joba needs 15 more Ks
CC has proved that he can’t pitch more than 5 innings as a starter, Joba has not. So that “cc to the bullpen” retort, which everyone on this site loves to employ, makes absolutely no sense.
CC is a proven stud as a starter. Joba is a complete unknown but is leaning heavily towards “dud”.
Anymore spin?
How long did CC get to prove himself as a starter?
Okay then.
Nice reading skills. Did I ever say CC to the eighth? Nice red herring you pulled out. Now I’ll make this simple for a 1st grader to read. Why did we get CC if K-Rod was available because obviously starts suck so much compared to relievers. Or is that to hard to comprehend?
Ransom should be gold glover if he wants to sit on our bench!
joba looks teary eyed
He does but he needs to grow a pair and start pitching to his potential instead of the potential of Pavano.
Joba’s starts have looked a lot like Hughes’ bad starts. Lots of balls fouled back with 2 strikes rather than guys headed back to the bench.
Thats what happens when you throw a 92 MPH straight fastball and terribly inconsistent breaking stuff
I apologize if this has been brought up before, but has anyone noticed where Joba stands on the mound when facing righties? I believe it was Al Leiter a few weeks ago on MLBtv who talked about standing on one extreme side of the rubber or the other had huge advantages to a pitcher. When Randy Johnson was in his prime for example, he’d stand on the far left of the rubber creating an even further advantage against lefties. Looks like Joba just stands in the middle of the rubber for the most part. But maybe thats his comfort zone and it works for him so he doesn’t want to change it.
I’m not suggesting that this is the reason he struggles on occassion. Just wondering if anyone thinks it might help him especially against righties.
I’m tellin you man, the Yankees “brass” is on fire:
1) Another terrible/labrorious start by Joba
2) Have Hughes and Joba in the complete opposite roles
3) Send down Pena and keep Ranson when Pena was playing 10X better than Cody
4) Trade for Hinske and NEVER play him…ever
5) Keep running Swisher out there despite the fact that he’s been awful since April
6) Keep batting Cano (albeit not today) in the number 5 hole despite the fact that Posada is an INFINITELY better clutch hitter than Cano, and Cano is sporting one of the worst RISP average in the history of baseball
The fact that we’re as close to 1st as we are is a miracle. These team still has major problems than need to be addressed. And I have absolutely zero confidence that the Yankees “braintrust” will be able to solve them.
update: OK JOBA! 8 runs in 3 innings…sweet. But let me guess, “Bro, his ERA is like barely under 4, he’s SICK!” Yea right, his ERA is under 4 b/c of outings like this (where there all unearned) or b/c Girardi pulls him out before he gives up more than 4/5 runs. Either way, he has consistently given NO MORE than 5-6 innings in EVERY start, kills the bullpen, and is beyond painful to watch. How can this possibly be the same picther who blew away hitters and was untouchable out of the pen 2 years ago. Great job by the Yankees in taking an absolute gem of a player and turning him into a mediocre (at best) starting pitcher. But hey…”he can help the Yankees more as a starter b/c he throws more innings!” Oh yea??? Not pitching like this he can’t
just going to say joba belongs as a starter
I agree 100%. You said it perfectly.
lol Hinske has been on the team for less than a week.
OH MAN, they gave up two top prospects and they never play this guy!!!!!!
Two prospects!!! That must mean Jesus Montero and Austin Jackson!!! WHY WHY WHY!!
Dont you think Hinske would been an upgrade, atleast SOMETIMES, over Gardner/Melky/Swisher….thank you, next.
You do realize that the Yankees got Hinske last week right?
Sorry, you’re wrong. Joba Chamberlain belongs in the rotation, as does Phil Hughes, but Hughes has been in the bullpen so long his stamina has suffered. I’d prefer the Yankees stick Hughes back into the rotation sooner rather than later, but you also can’t risk injury.
Again, David Price didn’t get out of the second inning yesterday. This is what happens to young starters. Zack Greinke couldn’t get anyone out during his first couple of seasons as a young starter, either.
Listen, I’m as down on Ransom as everyone else, but roster flexibility demanded Pena be sent down, otherwise the Yankees would have lost Ransom for nothing. If he continues to struggle like this, fine, you cut him after the All Star Break.
Hinske is a lefty, the Jays are playing a lefty pitcher today and tomorrow. Can’t fault Girardi for playing the platoon avantage.
i just read this
you must be high
Either Joba is hurt and not saying anything and that does not benefit the team
The Yankees are blind to his injury as they are with everything.
Or this Joba experiment has about ran its course. While effective, he is very inconsistent with the stuff he has. He is a crap shoot everytime he pitches and defensively, you can never tell if he is going to give up many hits, waste all his energy trying to strike everyone out or walk everyone.
It is a matter of concern for the Yanks. But by no means is one bad start mean his career as a starter is over but it is time to define his role and have him jump on board.
What the hell happened? I stepped away for 15 minutes to get some food and now Joba’s out of the game.
It’s time to send Joba back to the bullpen…not because he is better there, but because he is simply is not good enough to start. If the Yankees want a pitcher who goes 5 innings to 4.00 ERA they can sign Jaret Wright.
I love people.
I hate mediocre starters.
I’d take a mediocre starter over a “dominant” reliever.
And that’s what you are getting.
And that is more valuable.
Thats incredibly naive.
Look at the WAR statistic my man. Joe Blanton was worth 2.3 wins above replacement last year and Brad Lidge was worth 2.2
I think that’s the oppo of naive.
h/t to Matt ACTY…
Except Hughes could be a dominant starter, so you are completely ignoring opportunity cost. Statistics without context is ignorance.
Wait, so Hughes can be a dominant starter but Joba can’t?
Even though Joba has been a better starter than Hughes in his MLB career? And projects to be a better starter?
So Hughes can be a great starter but Joba can’t? Is this Mike Francessa?
MLB.com has this great thing called PitchFx data. Check it out sometime. Compare Joba in the past to Joba now. Get back to us when you see the pattern.
You’re the man, William. You’re the man.
I dislike people who don’t think Joba can turn into an ace because they simply lack patience.
I dislike people who refuse to accept that Joba’s fastball velocity and command has been off drastically for most of this season.
Even so, this does not mean he can’t hack it as a starter.
I dislike people who pulls facts out of nowhere or not linking to any proof. And I still dislike people without any goddamn patience and I really dislike people who base a person’s career by one start. And I really really dislike people who are ready to boo or curse at a Yankee and get shrouded with degrading comments.
step off the ledge
You first <3
proof?
here
and maybe trade for pavano and expect 30 starts too!
could be worse. we could be the mets
They have more all-stars than the Yankees!!!
Question since I missed the first couple innings: did Joba have any Ks today?
1
Youch. I was worried about that. It seemed most of his outs were coming from flyballs.
well at least BOS is losing too
Yea and with the sox losing if we could manage to win this game we would be tied for first place. I do think that we win this game cuz our offense has been scoring runs lately.
Wow, this is one crazy game, I hope the yanks can win the game at least. Oh yea I hope Hinske can replace ransome when the jays go to a right hander.
there’s something wrong with joba… too bad they can’t send him down.
I want Joba in the rotation just as much as the next person, but it is concerning that he has not had one start without giving up any runs.
WOrd, we should trade him for hiroki kuroda.
wow, you obviously don’t get it.
yes, i am the one that doesn’t get it.
as long as you realize that
Wow, so many people here obviously aren’t mature enough to handle a bad start. Go away, please.
+1
But, that Santana guy from the Mets…we pounded him for 9 runs, why isn’t he in the minors!?!?
Because Santana is a starting pitcahhh!!!!!!
So many people here aren’t mature enough to handle an opinion different from their own.
yeah you’re ignorant if you don’t agree with everyone. you have to munch joba’s knob or else you’re retarded.
Yep…apparently, advocating a position is more important than accepting a changing reality. The Joba that could locate a 95 mph fastball and then drop a slider should be a starter. The one who nibbles with a 91 mph and throws his slider in the dirt either needs rest to recover from an undisclosed injury or needs to be returned to the bullpen so Hughes can get his chance at being more than a mediocre starter.
And then what? Hughes gets half a season worth of starts to prove himself, and when he struggles because that’s what young pitchers do, you’d be saying he should go back to the pen.
Get real. Learn some damn patience or go away, because this site isn’t for you.
Apparently facts, logic and reason don’t rule the day here. I am sorry you can’t handle them, but I’d advise you to learn if you want your opinions to be taken seriously. Until then, keep preaching to the safety of the choir.
hahahaha, THANK YOU! Couldnt have said it better myself.
You’re so full of yourself dude. You’re so cool why don’t you go to Yankee stadium go to Joba’s face and say “fuck you.” Nice excuse for a fan you are.
Oh and yes you are ignorant if you continue to act like a petulant child and if you’re crying about being called ignorant, I’m pretty sure you’re maturity level is down.
wow whatever dude. like i said iwant joba in the rotation but he is not the same as last year so you can stop now.
Ok that’s your opinion. I’ll respect that if you don’t incessantly curse.
i would actually like to just bury the hatchet because i was frustrated. that does not mean i dislike joba, i just want to see some sort of improvement. anything. i am not an ignorant person, and you had no right to call me that, which is why i got defensive.
I did not call you ignorant until after you got mad but rather the fuck Joba comment. However I realize I too was acting no better and if you agree to not let your emotions post stupid comments then I too will stop.
deal =)
Never get excited when Kay talks about a fly ball in center…*sigh*
Damn that wasn’t supposed to be a reply.
Starting with you.
I can’t stand people who are ready to write an obituary for Joba’s career as a starter based on half a season of starts.
Mike, you, more than anyone, should know that the discourse of this site is insanely PRO-Joba starter, and anyone who disagrees is vehemently chastised and rebuked.
You either march to the beating drum of this site, or your banned and deamed a LOHud interloper.
This site is PRO-common sense.
And anti-dissent.
I’m sorry, but it’s hard to take the “Joba to the bullpen” crowd seriously when they only show up when he struggles.
Ransom bobbled a ball? DFA him. Swisher bobbled a ball? He’s a bench player. Matsui’s in a slump? Cut him, he’s toast. The grass is always greener, I guess.
8 of 16 quality starts – Joba’s gone past 6 innings twice – I’m going away now…
Oh man, I just lost a lot of brain cells reading most of the comments in here. Let me go practice calculus or something to repair the damage.
drink from a toilet
A couple more “OMG HINSKE NEVER PLAYS” or “Joba to the bullpen” comments and I might..
calm down yankee fans. joba is a starter. be patient, no ones trying to send you to your funerals tomorrow. he’s 24 years old and hasn’t been that bad this year. the reason his ERA is low is because he gets weak pop ups, and lots of GBs (check numbers), just like Wang when he was good.
calm down jeez
Are you comparing him to Wang?
The reason he doesn’t have a high ERA is because he’s never in the game long enough.
“hes enver in the game long enough”
I wish the Dodgers would move Clayton Kershaw and his 5.1 IP/S to the 8th inning
I do wonder why Joba has had terrible command. It always appears that he wants to call what he wants no matter who is catching. He never seems to watn to throw the curve ball. It’s suppose to be a plus pitch so why hardly any curves?
Damon not seeing the ball well against Cecil
Hey Mike, can A-Rod PH or even sub late in the game?
No idea. I imagine if there’s a big spot later in the game, he’ll pinch hit. Not sure about playing defense afterwards though.
Jober still has a 4 era (4.04). He needs to get that down to 3 to be a solid starter in the AL East. He’s no Brad Penny.
/oaktag’d
?
lol, I just can’t believe how some people overreact at every little thing that goes bad. This game isn’t even half over yet.
His WHIP has been bad all year. He walks way too many batters and gives up hits when hes up in the count. The thing is hes not learning and adapting. Hes gotten worse if anything.
This entire year is a learning experience. Mo willing, it will be his first full season as a starter. Half way thru, it’s been a successful campaign.
Yes he should be given atleast 2 years to learn. After all hes what 23? Just saying most fans would like to se improvement in each start or for him to string along a few dominant starts.
+1
I would have loved to see some improvement over the course of this season so far. But who knows, he could have a good 2nd half.
That’s implying he’s had a “bad” first half which is far from the truth.
I’m not ready to take a dump on this kid just yet, but it would be nice to see improvement, something to hang our hats on. Joba’s been bad this season, that’s all there is to it. And I don’t want to hear he’s only given up X amount of earned runs blah blah blah. Giving up 2, 3, or 4 runs over, 4 or 5 innings is fine, but I don’t like to think what might happen if he went through the order one more time.
Joba had some great starts last season, but he’s been bad this year overall, outside of two starts. Again, I’m only down on him because I think we all would like to see some improvement as the year goes on. But that hasn’t happened. It’s the same thing every start, more or less.
+100000000000
he’s still learning but his stuff doesn’t look the same as last year. i don’t know why… maybe he’s still figuring out a routine.
cough, texas, cough, cough …
The thing is his “stuff” was there today. He was hitting 96mph. But where has Joba’s control gone.
2.8 BB/9 career in the minors
2.9 BB/9 as a starter last season
4.4 BB/9 this season
What’s up?
Check out David Price’s BB/9 career in the minors, and as a starter this year.
Or Phil Hughes’ BB/9 career in the minors, and as a starter the last two years.
Young pitchers are inconsistent.
Patience certainly is the key word when talking about Joba.
Like most young starters with that kind of hype.
tim lincecum had 4.0 BB/9 his first season
wish he was in their bullpen now
What do you mean “he’s still learning his stuff”? He’s been a starter his whole life…why can;t he figure out his “routine” or “stuff” by now???
Maybe its b/c this IS his stuff as a starter….BLASPHEMUS!!!
So what you’re saying is, every single starter in the MLB came in and has consistently been solid. They never struggled, they never had hiccups or bumps in the road. Every true starter has just come in the big leagues and dominated since their first pitch thrown. This is what you’re saying, since thye all have pitched their whole life, right?
seeeeeeeeeee ya
Posada feeling it!
I love Kay trying to be “cool and hip”.
“Posada don’t play that”.
Michael Kay starting up crap with Posada!!! LOL
Let’s go Yankee offense let’s pick up Joba.
a HR or 4 would be nice, especially now
no DP Matsui!!!
thank you, this is the 2nd time this week he has answered my call
i love jorge but jesus christ, lighten up
Ages 20-24, these were CC Sabathia’s IP, ERA, ERA+, WHIP, K/9, and K/BB:
20, 180.1, 4.39, 102, 1.353, 8.5, 1.80
21, 210, 4.37, 100, 1.362, 6.4, 1.69
22, 197.2, 3.60, 122, 1.295, 6.4, 2.14
23, 188, 4.12, 106, 1.319, 6.7, 1.93
24, 196.2, 4.03, 104, 1.256, 7.4, 2.60
so you’re saying… he should be in the pen.
Anyone under the age of 30 should be in the bullpen.
Holy shit I never knew CC has been a workhorse since he was 20 that is crazy
Matsui
OMG Yankees sux!
AHhh We are the worst!!!!!!!1
GODZILLA!
i was just gonna say, bloop and a blast. matsui’s been on FIRE.
This game is over. DFA MAtsui.
lol, Matsui is a good example of how people are swayed by a bad stretch. Many wanted to bench him and play Cervelli, lol. DFA Matsui and send Joba to da bullpen!
TAKE THAT! GODZILLLLLLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAA
Oh Yes Hitdeki…
The “bandbox” is living up to its reputation today.
how do you say “i’m not done” in japanese?
yankee stadium short right porch
Lanny was probably just signing in and thought better of it
yay yankee stadium
BRING UP SHELLY DUNCAN, DFA MATSUI, DFA RANDOM AND DFA JOBA111111111111!!!!!!1111
http://bit.ly/ljVcJ
And Coors Field of the East saves the home team again. I am now of the opinion that this is a $1.5 billion dollar joke of a stadium. Well done Lonn Trost and Randy Levine, you have completed your process of making the stadium a joke.
You should raise ticket prices again next year, you know to improve community relations.
Winning is bad for community relations, how?
Ya, I was talking about winning. Saying hello from the $2000 seats. Just sent a text to wife and kids, they are 5 rows from the top. They need better jobs, I guess.
Saved the home team? Jays had 2 cheap homers today, we’ve had one. I think the stadium is hurting us today.
LOL anyone seeing the hand puppet? ahahahahha hilarious
WHOOOO!!!! A THRILLA!
cut Hideki ‘i cant hit’ Matsui
All he does is hit slow grounders to 2nd.
and his swing is ugly
This could be a 12-10 type game
by the way, lol at A-rod trying to convince joe may to put him in the game
Seattle just escaped 2nd and 3rd with 1 out. Papi whiff included!
Cano to dah bench!
cano is raking (without risp)!!
Cano’s hitting what, .500 with nobody on?
Now we have to piece together another quality bullpen outing. Pretty sure Coke is out having thrown 2 yesterday. Ace or Alby should be in next and everybody except maybe Hughes should be available for an inning.
“Now we have to piece together another quality bullpen outing”
That is much easier on the eyes than it was a month or two ago..
like nobody is available today. at least 3 innings needed from albie
Ace Drob Tomko maybe Coke Bruney
porcello getting knocked around. not a good weekend for young starters not named lincecum
Wow, from closer to 4th inning reliever, what the hell happened to B.J. Ryan?
Injuries?
Surgery.
SGNJ
34/36 SV 2.95 era and 9 K/9 last year so he still had it
For the text poll, where was choice E? Put Joba in the pen and make tomko a starter.
NESN’s Don Orsillo: “By scoring two runs in the first inning, the Red Sox have scored [insert runs total here] this season, third in the American League. Speaking about runs… ”
The bold portion was a segway Orsillo used to get into a Dunkin’ Donuts ad. Awesome.
LOL I love Dunkin Donuts.
lmao
……
speedy cano strikes again
plenty of time
Why the fuck does Cano keep trying to steal bases??
He wants to get the lazy dominican tag off of him.
LMAO
I thought he was safe.
I wish David Cone could be in the booth every day.
lol i love david cone. freaking hilarious
Cano batting .349 with the bases empty, .245 with runners on and .198 w/RISP.
I blame Joba.
DFA SWISHAHHH
david cone is hilarious
Can someone please explain to me what Swisher does well except run long counts and play a sweet Air Guitar????
get on base, drive in runs, hit ball far
Stop being so rational.
Jumping off a bridge over one loss is the way to be.
i jump off the bridge if we’re losing during the 4th inning
I can tell you obviously have wet dream over Joba by your sweet name. That aside, this isn’t about ONE game. – its been for most of the year. Joba has not been good, but for 2-3 starts, and outside of April, Swisher looks like Swisher of 2008 (and I now know why Chicago gave him away for a bag of baseballs – bad defense, bad baserunning, .240 average = VERY expendable).
Yeah let’s jump of a bridge over half a season. Ever see the early 90 Yankees? You jump off a bridge or start following after 98?
Anyways I do like Joba but he is not my favorite player due to his name being a pun of one of my favorite crews. +1 for fail insult though =/
Ya man, I don’t like facts.
Really??? Are you sure about that since April???
I love when small sample sizes make my argument sound better than it really is by not looking at the big picture.
.363 OBP and .482 slugging. Yeah he’s doing that =/
eh, yeah you’re right. he shoulda hit 400 all year..
Plus, dudes only got 2 rbi’s this whole month!!
this is an ugly game
great slider from alby
c’mon albie, big moment here
heh.. fitting that arroyo gave up 8.
Funny how people go NUTS over a Joba outing. Just going completely insane about this. It’s not like the Yankees staff has pitched great over the past month or anything.
umm… what? check the numbers, they’ve been top 3 easily.
yea it is dumb, but it gets frustrating but not enough to say he deserves the bullpen again.
awesome job alby
Albaladingo ftw
omg alby should be a starter!!!!
Where was this, albie, any chance he stays up here for sometime.
ALBIE BABY!
what has happened to this site? it used to be essentially free of idiotic end-of-the-world types and b-jobbers and suddenly they’re trying to take over. This is, folks, joba’s first career (minors included) legitimate “clunker”. Know how many successful major league starters have, in the history of baseball, never had a start like this? Zero. Everyone seemed so inclined at the beginning of the season to allow joba to “take his bumps and bruises,” but what did you all think this meant? the occasional 5.1 inning, 4 ER start? Legit aces will have occasional bouts with mediocrity, even in their most dominant seasons. Over the course of a season every starting pitcher who gets enough starts will get bombed once or twice, joba included. And just about every major league starter ever has had a season or two (or more) of inconsitency and inability to pitch deep into ballgames. That’s a season or two, not a game or two or a week or two or even a month or two. If by 2011 joba has not evolved past where he is now, then you have a legitimate argument for reliever. But at this point, 29 starts into his major league career, he has had some issues with fastball command and some inconsistency with his offspeed pitches. That is literally all that is wrong with him right now. At this point in their careers, these were issues for Josh Beckett, Pedro Martinez, Johan Santana, CC Sabathia, and countless other starters with stuff that is at his level. So you’re going to tell me that he can’t make it as a starter because not even 30 starts into his career he has issues with efficiency and finally in one start he wasn’t able to wiggle out of it? Shouldn’t we be happy about the fact that through this point in his career joba has already shown us that not only can he dominate when his stuff is on (boston in 08, detroit, cleveland, atlanta in 09), but he is also capable of pitching through patches where his stuff and/or command are off (beginning of the season and now, respectively) and keeping his team in the game/rebounding from a rough first inning (Boston 09)? These are all qualities that a good major league starter NEEDS to have because virtually ALL major league starters, not even just the young ones, go through periods like this, and the ability to remain effective (even if its boring to some people) and keep a team in games without being completely on top of your game is an extremely valuable skill.
Amen.
(and separate paragraphs are your friend)
can you use the enter key if you’re going to write an essay here?
my bad i do that a lot i just never intend to say as much as i do
RAB is getting more word around the internet. more internet viewers, more idiots.
lol thanks for the rant, but that’s pretty much the answer
What happened to the site? Nothing. Just more people come here and state their opinions. Now since the average Yankee fan has no patience the more of them coming, the more of them will have opinions that will conflict with others. But I would rather see Lanny/Bo/Axl than some people because at least they are mildly amusing.
very true
for the record, i agree that joba should be a starter as should everyone else
let’s get alphabet a win
great job jon!
mets fail
This Steve McNair story getting crazier by the day.
whats new with it?
well i dont want to assume anything but it looks like mcnair was having an affair and his mistress killed him and herself. cops aren’t even looking for suspects.
its sad that this has happened, but its looking more and more like it everyday.
yeah ill wait until everything comes out
come on cody. give me a reason to not hate you
no DP Cody!
When did B.J. Ryan ever throw 97? Where did Kay get that from?
when he was the orioles.
he used to throw 97 easy while in baltimore
Hmm, I’ve always remembered him being between 91-94 w/ the fastball his best.
Yeah me too. FanGraphs agrees.
http://www.fangraphs.com/stats.....#pitchtype
ugh. i’m getting sick of ransom. weak hacks at 85 mph fastballs on the outside, and can never hit a breaking pitch.
Plus he’s great with the glove.
He’s teh Shelley Duncan!!!!
yeah but the thing is, shelley has a long swing, ransom has a nice short compact stroke. he looks like a player, swings like a player, does everything like a good player.
but, he’s just not a baseball player. couldn’t hit 250 last year in AAA and the Yankees are learning that quickly. i’d rather have eduardo nunez or reegie corona than see ransom with another AB.
agreed
So send Albie out for one more and then Aceves for two… then what? Mo’s had a lot of work lately.
maybe jesus can come in for the save?
cmon Jeter, be clutch!
thank you
I love this stadium.
Seriously. Other people can look down on it. But I love it. Our offense is literally never out of a game.
Jetah to left field! He’s got teh no range! He’s too old!!1
Trade him fo’ teh Nomaaaaa!
Trade him fo’ teh Nomaaaa!
move him to third, arod to center!
/miller
OMG I wanted to smack him when he said that!
Who doesn’t want to smack him for anything he says really?
THE CAPTAIN!!
New YS = legal steroids.
Captain Clutch
BANDBOX!!!
jeter should be only a pinch hitter so we can have clutch hits whenever we need them.
who’s with me! oh and joba to bp, dfa matsui and trade swisher, etc etc etc.
you forgot brain replacement for cano
Looking back at Joba’s start today, I was one of those which did overreacted. This is a game which the yanks should win and its hard to see your starting pitcher giving it away, at the moment it did seem as we were going to lose. I think people (myself included) expect the world from Joba, and expect him to be an ace now but you still have to give him time to come into his own. I promise to everyone on this site I will never overreact on Joba again. (I still don’t like ransome, though)
ya right……
Joba gets another ND, but this time its a good thing!!
The Yankees have scored 9 runs in 4.1 innings today sans ARod in the lineup. Cody Ransom says to Alex Rodriguez, “How my ass taste?”
a-rod doesn’t make that error
… And you don’t get sarcasm.
yes, arod never makes errors
Kate Hudson asks ARod the same question every night.
LMAO
And Alex says, “It’s not Grade A Kate Hudson ass… but it’s alright. About average.”
an 0′fer and an error where exactly is there room for ransom to talk
I still can’t imagine what he would have done today. Jeter and Posada and somewhat Tex are having a field day at the plate.
9 runs + A-rod = maybe 12-13 runs?
alex rodriguez says, “i have sex with kate hudson. i dont need to taste yo ass bitch!”
I *heart* oppo field home runs from Jeter.
Heh, remember when everyone was saying the Yanks should sign BJ Ryan to be the set up man, with the promise of taking over at closer once Mo retired?
would have been an okay deal, just too many years
it made perfect sense at the time
Yeah, but giving a reliever a long term deal never works.
marte!!!! ziiinnngggg
only team i have ever seen it work for is the astros/mets with billy wagner
I actually kinda feel bad for BJ Ryan. He has fallen off of the top of the closing world. But whatever I quickly stopped caring.
damn just a little quicker next time tex!
Pull that ball more Tex what do you think this park is for!?!
dfa him.
Damn. So close.
hey a pop for bill the baker
Dirk Hayhurst sounds like a fake name
heh it does
He actually used to have a “non-prospect diary” at Baseball America’s site where he wrote about life in the minor leagues once a week or so. It was very interesting, talked about what it’s like to get promoted, demoted, to see friends released, stuff like that.
hip hip
“it’s a tough game to enjoy” I’m so sorry you find your job so tough to enjoy Kay, want to trade?
It’s the damn fifth!!?!
does the game end before 6:30? i say no
This game problably won’t end til 5:30 at the earliest.
… who’s going to pitch for the yankees today? tomko? Aceves? coke? robertson?
yes
swisher should pitch
Alby, Aceves, maybe Robertson, and Mo. Coke pitched 2 yesterday so I don’t think we’ll see him.
YES! 10-8 lead! Let’s go bullpen!
Posada!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now, does the ‘pen have enough left in the tank to hold this lead…
POSADA BABAY!!!
F*** Ortiz
Lol @ Lidge striking out the (Los Mets) side. yes i realize i said ‘the’ twice
was santana on 3 days rest?
Damn Boston tied it.
red sox tie the game