Jul
11
Game 86 Spillover Thread III
ByWhile A-Rod‘s and Derek’s errors are to blame for the deficit, Brian Bruney and Joba Chamberlain have to make their pitches. They haven’t. Considering the Tampa and Boston victories, this has been one crappy game.
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I’m worried that this might cool the Yanks down and throw them into a weird funk.
The All Star Break says hello.
forgot about the all star break
thanks for cheering me up a bit
Don’t worry this is the way they normally play vs the Angels
I’m worried that half the population of New York will be jumping off the GWB tonight.
Meh, if it’s the dumber half, it’s probably for the best.
I hope it’s the bandwagon fans.
I’m just worried about the traffic it would cause.
As long as Pedro Espada is with them, I’m ok with it.
Heh.
2010 elections will be reaaaaaaaaaly interesting.
You have far too much faith in the NYC electorate. They elected these buffoons in the first place. I hope you’re right, but I’m not too confident that the ones who should go will be voted out.
Repost: Its ok, Jorge peed on his hands during the 7th inning stretch
reggie willits is to brett gardner as skeet ulrich is to johnny depp
I just saw Jorge Posada get interfered with and then record an out with no glove.
And that’s not even one of the top two weirdest plays this season involving the Yankees. The Castillo popup and the Mariano walk say hello.
i guess he cant go 5-5
Pettitte is on his good game cycle and then there is CC, hopefully not…
May 1st, 2009
Bottom 8
Angels 9
Yankees 4
Final
Angels 9
Yankees 10
Why not?
Tying will come to the plate
And Abreu will make a great catch at the wall to end the game.
This has been a Mets-esque game
And A-Rod and Jeter have to make those routine plays. You just can’t excuse those two monumental errors. You have no idea what would have happened if those two veterans make routine plays.
True.
Brian Bruney worries me, though. He’s not right. I don’t know what happened.
That’s the biggest issue in Yankeeland right now. Bigger than CMW or Marte. He was counted on. He’s why we don’t need to trade Z-Mac for Street… if he’s right.
“Brian Bruney worries me, though. He’s not right.”
Still hurt and he is hiding it ?
Dunno.
And then, the next inning, he looks untouchable.
Befuddling.
Neither A-Rod nor Jeter served up fat pitches for the Angels to smack over the fence. The pitch to Kendry Morales by Joba was a hanging curveball right down Broadway. The one from Bruney to Aybar was equally as bad.
I’m not absolving A-Rod or Jeter from any blame, but they were only half of the problem.
Eh, they (ARod and Jeter) were probably less than half the problem.
The errors were bad. But Joba, Melancon, and Bruney’s pitches were worse.
Neither Joba nor Bruney made errors on routine plays that a high schooler could make. That pop fly hit to Jeter was a pop up right over his head. The throw by A-Rod was equally as bad.
I’m not excusing those two, but they were only half the problem.
yes, but you dont give up HRs afterward and walk a .530 OPS guys or implode with a 4 run lead
This game is rigged! And CB Bucknor is in on it.
man the umps have alot of explaining to do to the Yankees recently
Joba Chamberlain and Brian Bruney are hurt, yes/yes?
mentally? Yes and yes
I don’t think so/yes.
Joba just sucks right now. Maybe they should give him some extra time before his next start (more than the AS break, maybe skip a turn).
Joba had good velocity tonight – averaged sitting 93-95 MPH; topping out at 97 MPH.
Look closer at the chart though, Jamal. Joba’s best velocity was on the second or third pitch of the game. It was a steep drop from there. Any starter will lose FB velocity over the course of the game, but last year, Joba was sustaining his peak for longer than one or two batters. Something’s not right.
No, they just both suck.
We should thus put Joba in the 8th and Bruney in the rotation in Scranton.
They each take one step down. Or up, depending on perspective.
62 baserunners in the last 35.2 IP for Joba.
Yup.
Patience has it’s rewards. But, if you want to send him down and give his spot to Hughes, I’ll take it. I’ll take any single configuration that gets both Joba and Hughes out of the pen.
Feeling a lil angry tonight uh Mike.
just hit someone. it’s childish but it will make me feel better
Are you in the NYC metro? I can come over and punch you.
can you punch chone figgins for me?
Is he in the NYC metro?
What about Willie Randolph? Can I punch him? Would that make you feel better?
no punching willie. he’s been through enough
Well, that was close
Gotta just let it go, see tiex smiling after that last pop out at first, this is just one of those games…. errors by guys who wont normally make errors cost the game. The bigger issues are Joba and Bruney. But over all the team knows how good it can be, and i dont see this loss having a tumbling effect, pick up the game tomorrow and we will be in good shape to take the series. Just one game folks…
teix smiling is ok? jorge doesnt agree
well, at least our good pen will be restored tomorrow.
True story:
Due up in Yankee Ninth: Unclutch-Rod, Swishalicious, Cano Can Do and, the potential tying run…. Clutchy McClutchbrera
Why can’t they beat this garbage team? It’s so much more frustrating because they’re not that good!
And on top of that this garbage team we’re playing rolls over like dogs when they play the sox.
I have always said that 5 runs should win you the game everyday in the American League. Chalk it up to just being one of those nights.
I really Joba stands up and takes it on the chin for his performance tonight. Don’t hide from it, be a man.
The rule is if there is a 4 run difference then you stay and watch the game. Fuck. I want to go play some guitar hero before I go to bed.
Right now if Bruney and Joba or even put in Pettitte in there as well keep pitching with this way, the yanks might need either a SP or a RP by the deadline. (I for one preferred a RP though)
STFU Sciosca.
Oh well, bottom line is that they get to come back and do this again soon. Shake it off, take the screws to them tomorrow.
Who are you, Joba Chamberlain?
IETC
He’d also say that they are a great hitting bunch of guys over there… (even minus Hunter and Vlad)…
I for one am eagerly anticipating the HgH Bowl:
Pettitte v. Matthews
Game is not over.
I could use a good bean ball war.
lazy cano again
Bobby is pissed
Robinson Cano is good at baseball.
Anyone else think this chick in the Palm Pre commercial looks like the kid from Home Alone?
She frightens me. Looks too much like a Jude Law sex robot from A.I.
When your spokesperson, makes you not want to buy a phone, you know you need a new spokesperson.
Is Cody Ransom playing 2nd?
LADIES AND GENTLEMAN YOUR GOLD GLOVE SECOND BASEMEN.
Ill go Joba for Francouer …. sounds like a fair deal at this point : )
When is the last 123 inning Bruney had???
Right side of the infield has been great. Left side of the infield has been shitty. Simple as that.
Well, the left side of the infield has been pretty good offensively (disregarding Ransom).
Bruney looked less like a poo flinging circus monkey this inning…
Sorry Reggie, you have to be a non-terrible hitter to get that call.
Then again, this is CB Bucknor . . .
Prediction: Yanks score 3 runs and end up losing by one run. The way this game is going I don’t expect anything else.
With Gardner stuck at third…
BTW, Cody Ransom would’ve caught Jete’s error. Just sayin’.
You’re not just saying. You’re trying to make the absurd point that Cody Ransom is better than Jeter. He isn’t. In fact, Cody Ransom fucking sucks and probably shouldn’t be on the Yanks.
There. I said it.
Eh, I thought he was just sayin.
U MAD
Actually no, I’m just sayin’. Similar to how people always say, Jeter/Alex/Pena woulda had it.
Also, I don’t know on what planet anyone has made a point that was aimed at saying Cody Ransom is somehow better than Derek Jeter.
Then what’s the point of just sayin’ other than rubbing in a crappy loss?
Forget it. I’m mad at this loss. Sorry.
What’s the point in making a big deal about it? Yeah it sucks that we’re four down in the ninth but I’m not gonna cry about a potential loss at 1:30 in the morning on a Friday in July.
about a potential loss at 1:30 in the morning on a
FridaySaturday in July/nitpick
I’m in LA. nah, but I could be!
I definitely feel it. If A-Rod gets on there is going to be some trouble.
i hope we get revenge and win the next two
lead off hit
how is nobody blaming Girardi for his Assinine deciscion to bring in a struggling reliver in a close game? when the reliver at hand was doing perfectly ok????
Which reliever was doing perfectly ok? The one who had just given up 3 R in 2.2 innings?
It was 2 R in 2.2 IP before Bruney came in.
Wait a second, in what world was Melancon doing perfectly okay?
When all else fails, blame Girardi! But, with that said, I still don’t like that decision by Girardi.
I don’t either. He didn’t really have any other relievers, unfortunately. Everybody was used because of that Aceves start. Maybe the blame should be on whoever made that decision to deplete the pen.
Didn’t like the move either, but could have Melancon been on a pitch count? He was at 25 when removed.
they said he could pitch 45 today
makes the move that much more frustrating…
not really. 2.1 IP, 3 H, 3R, 2 ER, 0 K wasnt really impressive
Come on Swisher.
About the only good thing about this game is that it looks like the Yankees won’t have to scare someone up to pitch the 9th.
I swear, every since he had that closed door meeting with Girardi and Cash in Atlanta, Swish has been swinging at a lot more first pitches with men on. Like, all of ‘em.
I agree, first guess here but really confusing move… although to be fair, the bullpen was shot and melancon has not proven himself to be lock down, so unless hughes is the guy, im not sure if there is a much better option out there to be honest
Please Please Please not 2
Odds cano walks here?
yup….
“Cano lifts a lazy fly ball to left center”.
That’s too funny.
ha, even his fly balls are lazy
I feel a Swish DP
a what? he didnt give himself time to hit into a dp
Hmm my internet went off so it’s delayed
CB Buckner is just awful.
Posada three run HR off of Fuentes, and then they lose.
Jeter will get the chance to atone for his E
And now comes the 1-out save attempt for Fuentes.
ah tying run on deck so save situation? gotta get that 1 out save with a 4 run lead
Fuentes . . . I think I feel good about this. Although Speier sorta sucks.
They are going to tease us. They will load the bases and the PH Hinske will lift a long fly ball to Abreu in right.
Abreu’s going to leap up and rob him of a home-run.
Odds the tying run gets to the plate??
Have faith my young grasshoppahs.
HAHAHAH Fuentes got off to a ROCKY start. LOLZZZZZZ
maybe Joba should be DL’ed or something. Gotta be something wrong with him. On the bright side, maybe this will help the yanks realize they need phil hughes in the rotation to make up for joba’s suckiness
if joba sucked as a starter then how do you describe Hughes as a starter in his career?
Hughes at least looked to be showing improvement. Joba has looked terrible for awhile now. I don’t know if that means he needs a start skipped, a DL stint, or what, but yikes.
what improvement did he show? bullpen appearances dont count.
decent except for one horrible start. and i hope you realize i’m not at all promoting joba not being a starter.
are you kidding me?
decent? 6.62 era in 8 starts last year. 5.45 in 8 starts this year, you take away his bad start, i take away his 1 great start and his era is still over 5 for the season as a starter. decent? please
Use your eyes. Do you honestly in your heart believe that Joba Chamberlain gives the Yankees a better chance to win than Phil Hughes?
Yes I do.
Use your eyes when Phil was a starter, not his appearances out of the bullpen. how does he give them a better chance to win then Joba? his 5.45 era or averaging below 5 IP/S?
Well, considering the Yankees record when Joba starts, I’d say yes.
i’m horribly sorry that i thought you were talking about this season. didn’t see the career part. he’s been decent this season, though, yes. he sucked in years previous cause he was rushed up here
even this year, how is Hughes decent as a starter but Joba sucks? that makes no sense, with an era a full run higher and averaging less IP/S
It is the way that they have pitched. Phil didn’t have the long drawn out painstaking outings that Joba has. Phil got hurt by Morneau twice and gave up a bomb to Adam Jones. He won’t be the last to do those things. But check out the peripherals since Baltimore. His SO/BB rate is outstanding and he has attacked hitters.
Joba has nibbled and struggled with his command all year. I have way more confidence right now than Joba. Check that, I have way more confidence in the Starter Phil Hughes than Joba.
your rushed up here comment doesnt make sense. he actually had a decent beginning in his 13 starts in 2007. he had a horrendous 2008
joba’s era is a bit lucky considering all the baserunners he’s allowed. joba does not suck, but lately its hard to deny he’s been underperforming. at this point in the season, i think hughes can give the yankees a better chance to win as a starter than hughes. And just forget about hughes in 2007 and 2008. We’re talking about THIS YEAR AND THIS SEASON, not joba’s and hughes’ career successes/failures
*hughes gives them a better chance to win than joba
“they need phil hughes in the rotation to make up for joba’s suckiness”
so your original statement was just typical yankee overreacting huh?
No, not really. It’s pretty simple actually. Joba Chamberlain has struggled mightily with pitching a baseball lately. Phillip Hughes has pitched the baseball very well lately. They have a vacated 5th starter spot and I think Hughes should be in it.
“Phillip Hughes has pitched the baseball very well lately.”
Coming out of the bullpen and letting it go for an inning and only throwing 2 pitches is different then throwing 5+ IP
Aceves has been pitching very well lately in the bullpen, Andy has struggled. Aceves should take a spot too
it is different, you’re right about that. That doesn’t mean Hughes can’t have success as a starter, which is what he’s been doing his whole life. And the Aceves comment, while I know its sarcastic, is just stupid. Petitte’s our third starter right now, and I’m advocating aceves staying in the bullpen because thats where he seems to belong.
Unfortunately, if we take Hughes out of the bullpen, we will see more shitty pitched games by the bullpen like tonight. More Hughes in the pen = less Bruney and Melancon. Until they prove themselves, I dont want them anywhere near an important inning
our bullpen is fine. Between Coke, Aceves, Robertson, Melancon, Albaladejo when/if he gets called back up and the real Brian Bruney (who i hope returns soon), one of them will step up and be able to handle important innings. Hughes should be in the rotation
“That doesn’t mean Hughes can’t have success as a starter, which is what he’s been doing his whole life.”
Wasnt Aceves a starter his whole life?
i’m not sure, but even if he was, he’s been awesome in his role in the bullpen and doesn’t have the stuff of Joba or Hughes
yes starter in the Mexican league. starter in the minors last year. started in the majors last year with a era of 2.40 and whip of 1.14
a starter who was awesome in the bullpen, hmm that sounds familiar
Phil was injured in 2008 and you know it. His mechanics were also different. He has returned to his 2006 mechanics and there have been results.
WHAT THE HELL POSADA?
a BS by Fuentes here would be real nice after they bring him in for 1 out with a 4 run elad
This is getting to be a bit of a can cruncher in the bottom of the ninth.
and.. fuck.
swing at ball 4 why not cano does it…
It looked like he swung after the ball was in the glove.
As long as they win of the following two games.
Oh well. They tried.
Okay so you swung at 2-0 and you swung at Ball 4
Bucknor fucked his zone up on the called strike I think…
Well, that sucked.
Now the moment we’ve all been waiting for… Joba’s postgame comments.
mummble mummble… velocity good… mummble mummble… one mistake… mummble mummble… learning experience… mummble.
Heartbreak
at least mo coke and phil got a rest tonight, they will sure be needed tomorrow with Pet on the hill…
Oh no. And a fox game tomorrow.
great, joe buck bitching for 4 hours about Joba and the bandbox
most frustrating yankees game ever?
oh hell no. IMO anyway.
Well, on the bright side, we don’t have to wait until 10PM to watch the Yanks play tomorrow.
Well, I’m gonna take this one in stride. I will be pissed tomorrow if AP doesn’t show up.
funny how 1 game can have most people here forget winning 13 out of 15 or whatever it was
nobody forgets that the yankees have been playing well, but most fans want their team to win every game (though obviously not possible). Petitte has been kinda eh this season and he’s usually good every other. i’d be pissed if he sucked tommorow too
i mean usually good every other start this year
And I thought the Baby Bombers game I went to last night was bad…..
14 hits and a loss… jeez.
Wow. Melancon took a loss he totally didn’t deserve.
We need a starter bad. I am only confident with the initials on the mound.
+1
Damn Weaver has a sick ERA. 3.15
6 IP 4ER against Yankees earlier this season, lets hope more of the same
I like Flash, but I can’t stand him in the booth.
This is the second time that the Yankees have tinkered with someone’s mechanics and come up empty.
What do you do? Let him go out there with the old mechanics, dominate and risk injury or keep these mechanics and hope he adjusts. I do not wish to be Girardi or Cash right now.
are you talking about Igawa?
Hughes and Joba
They F’d with Phil’s mechanics to give him more command and they have now F’d with Joba’s to reduce the risk of injury and they have lossed his outstanding velocity.
Think about it. Don’t you think they would have had him checked out by now if they had no idea why he wasn’t throwing hard?
we have no proof that they tinkered with joba’s mechanics, so not sure if that’s the reason for his loss of nasty stuff
I have Joba’s start against Boston last year on my DVR and it is different. He used to have the dreaded “inverted L” which is what lead to Mark Prior’s demise. They illongated the arm motion and kept his arm straight to prevent injury.
Oh my Mo, what the hell would the Yankees have to do before people are able to take SINGLE LOSSES in stride? Jesus H. Monero.
Way ahead of ya.
http://riveraveblues.com/2009/.....ent-475349
heh
The nature of this loss makes it a little different.
“Things that get said every time they lose,” for $200, Alex.
Wow. Joba went with the “my stuff was good, he hit a good pitch, the sun will come up tomorrow” routine again.
Didn’t he say he was embarrassed?
caught half of it. said its frustrating because hes working his tail off and he has good stuff out there but the results arent showing up
Unfortunate Fact: Phil Hughes gives the Yankees a better chance to win than Joba
They are 11-6 in games Joba has started this year.
its called luck and a really good offense. Nothing against jobber, but somethin is wrong with him
7.285 run support for Hughes
5.625 run support for Joba
didn’t know that, but what’s your point there?? Apparently the yanks score runs after joba is taken out of a game a lot, the stat was 11-6 when he starts, that’s not his actual record. And thats some serious SSS with hughes
dont have a point. you just mentioned Joba gets really good offense.
so basically every excuse for Hughes this year as a starter is SSS
yea, and he had one horrible start. Also, just to clear this up, what is your take on the hughes as a reliever/starter thing? It sure seems like you want him to be a reliever, but I’m not positive cause you haven’t explicitly said it from what i’ve seen
one horrible start and 1 gem.
i want them both to be starters, just think Joba has been better because Hughes is SSS so i cant tell
stop with the sarcasm with the hughes SSS. he’s only started 7 games. sounds like a relatively small sample size to me.
im not being sarcastic. obviously Hughes has a small sample size when i talk about him. but you and others are free to talk about 3 of his starts. oh well thats how it is i guess
Well saying he doesn’t give us a chance to win (as opposed to Philly), then disregarding our record when he starts as mere “luck,” doesn’t make much sense.
it doesnt matter Drew. Joba averages more IP/S and better ERA, better team record, doesnt ‘get it’, etc.
and Hughes’ is just SSS!!!!! so we cant make any conclusions
in starts before the last two he’s given us a chance to win, but isn’t it pretty obvious he hasn’t really done that recently???
has Hughes had 2 good games back to back all year?
has Joba struggled recently? yes.
a 3 game stretch during Lincecum’s first year:
4.0 IP, 6 ER, 4 BB, 6 B
3.2 IP, 7 ER, 4 BB, 6 K
4.1 IP, 3 ER, 5 BB, 3 K
hmm, short outings with alot of walks. damn they should have replaced him
nice stats there with the lincecum thing. but i bet his stuff was looking better than joba’s has. and with that, i’m done debating.
so Hughes can go out and do his typically 2009 performance: 5IP 3-4ER
its not like he’s started only a few games this year or anything. He’s been in the yanks rotation full time for 5 years now, and he sucks, so he should be a reliever, right?
ohhhh so Hughes gets time and patience as a starter, but not Joba. i see
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, this is getting annoying. the yankees should be patient with joba, but these struggles don’t seem to be learning how to get hitters out type of struggles. his stuff is not there and he’s not attacking hitters. Hughes’ stuff has been good and he is attacking hitters. See the difference?
Hughes stuff has been good and attacking guys out of the bullpen.
i see the difference between pitching as a starter and pitching as a reliever.
He had 21 SO and 3 BB in his last 3 starts. What isn’t great about that? Has Joba ever had a stretch like that in his career?
7/11/08-7/30/08
4 starts
32 K : 2BB
23/7, 3 starts in a row earlier in the year.
cool, but that was back when he had great stuff, which is MIA this year
you’re the one who said in his entire career
no, i’m not. i’m charlie, not dorian
Phil was throwing great before being sent to the bullpen. Joba isn’t throwing well right now.
You and I both know that Phil Hughes isn’t the pitcher that gave up 8 runs in Baltimore. Also have you calculated Joba’s ERA if those runs against Toronto were earned?
i didnt say he was that pitcher in baltimore. but dont say hes the pitcher who threw the gem in texas. take both of those starts out and his era is still about 5.
why would i calculate joba’s era with unearned runs? if someone robs a HR do you have to add runs to the pitchers ERA because it would haave been a HR?
He is closer to the pitcher in Texas than you wish to believe. He is definitely closer to that pitcher than to the pitcher in Baltimore and that pitcher is better than Joba Chamberlain right now.
how? because he comes out of the bullpen for 1 inning? lets have Joba throw 1 inning at a time for a month and you’d say hes belongs in the rotation instead of Hughes
All of Hughes peripherals say that he was unlucky while Joba’s are trending downward. Too many hits. Too many walks and less K’s. Before he was taken out of the Rotation Phil’s last 3 starts were 21K/3BB.
the postgame got cut here, did Joba go with his usual postgame stupidity?
he need a lobotomy, the guy is a moron….
here he is now.
He said he made some decent pitches and they hit them. Couple of bad pitches. Then he went on to say it’s frustrating and he’s letting his teammates down. He’s working his tail off and it’s frustrating that it’s not paying off on the field.
He said he is embarrassed and that he is frustrated with the results. He said his last 2 starts he had his best stuff of the year.
He seemed to understand what was going on. I liked the approach and he will get better. Stick it out, Joba
This is the 2nd straight start that he blew a 4 run lead. He’s been walking a tightrope his first 15 starts and it has finally caught up with him these last two. He has a high whip and Ba against and an ever increasing ERA.
Unfortunately, if we take Hughes out of the bullpen, we will see many more of these games blow open by the bullpen. I do not want to see any Yankee reliever minus Mo, Ace, and Coke facing hitters in key situations. Joba is struggling as a starter, and would probably do well in the pen given his past performance and how much better his stuff plays in short appearances. But the bottom line is, if we want to groom our own pitchers, we need to live through these growing pains and let Joba work through these games. It would of been really nice to win this game, but the bullpen was thin and with joba pitching (likely his short 5 inning outings) we were most likely going to lose this game going in to it.
Fixed.
I do not want to see any Yankee reliever minus Mo, Hughes, Ace, and Coke facing hitters in key situations, and with Hughes out of the rotation, that leaves only Ace and Coke for key situations from innings 6-8, and occasionally Mo for 8-9
What a catch by MATT F$%#@&G KEMP!
As quiet as it’s kept, the Rays are coming. We don’t have the luxury of watching guys perform poorly. If Phil Hughes is the guy then he should be starting PERIOD
lol. Good thing we have the third best record in baseball. We really need to stop losing games. This is getting ridiculous. How can we lose a game to the Angels!!?? ZOMGGGGGG
it sucks when you do that lol after a comment you disagree with. did you actually laugh out loud there? i doubt it, seemed like a reasonable thing to say for me, not that funny either
Yes, his comment actually gave me a bit of a chuckle, granted, it’s almost 3:00 and many things would make me laugh.