Jul
11

Game 87: Pettitte, Yanks seek redemption

By Joseph Pawlikowski

Yesterday’s game seemed pretty well at hand in the early goings, but the pitching slipped up after the fourth. They’ll look to rebound as a unit today and force a rubber game against a (what should be, considering their injuries) reeling Angels team. Andy Pettitte will seek some redemption on his own, as well. He pitched poorly last time out, and really needs to give the Yanks a solid start today.

The offense will have to do it against Jered Weaver, brother of forsaken former-Yank Jeff. The future of the Yankees could actually rest on Anaheim’s decision to select Jered with the 12th pick of the 2004 draft. Pre-draft word was that they had their eyes on a So-Cal high schooler named Phil Hughes. They opted for Weaver instead, and the Yankees took Hughes with the 23rd pick, one they received from the Houston Astros in compensation for, guess who, Andy Pettitte.

Weaver came up guns blazing in 2006, and actually took the rotation spot of his older brother, whom the Angels would eventually release. He had an over 3:1 K/BB ratio, and pitched to a 2.56 ERA over a few stints. He hasn’t been quite as good since, though given his solid peripherals his 4.33 ERA last year might have been a bit out of line (his FIP was 3.90).

This year Weaver has been by far the Angels’ best starter, though he’s had some trouble recently. The pinnacle of his season is his complete game shutout against San Diego on June 14. Since then he’s pitched 23.2 innings and allowed 19 runs. I always note recent trends for pitchers in the game threads, and after a half season of looking at it in hindsight, it appears to have no bearing on how he starts against the Yankees. So while Weaver has been getting slaughtered, it really means nothing insofar as today’s start is concerned.

Weaver throws a fastball that mostly sits high 80s and touches around 92 at times. That doesn’t sound like much, but he mixes it with a changeup that has about 10 mph separation. He’ll also drop a curve or a slider to mix things up, though not with as much frequency as the change.

Lineup:

1. Derek Jeter, SS
2. Johnny Damon, LF
3. Mark Teixeira, 1B
4. Alex Rodriguez, 3B
5. Hideki Matsui, DH
6. Jorge Posada, C
7. Robinson Cano, 2B
8. Eric Hinske, RF
9. Brett Gardner, CF

And on the mound, number forty-six, Andy Pettitte.

Posted on Saturday, July 11th, 2009 at 3:43 pm in Game Threads.

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484 Comments

TJ says:

Won’t matter unless we trade for a starter or two. Trade both Hughes and Joba. Overrated!

 
TJ says:

Could have had Santana for Hughes, and Halladay for Joba, or vice versa with prospects.

When could they have had Halladay for Joba? In your dreams?

And when could have they gotten Johan for Hughes? I think you’re forgetting a name or three.

Don’t let reality get in the way of your complaining about the team’s third loss in their last 16 games.

Tom says:

With prospects I noted. Those would have been the big chips, Thown in that stud Kennedy that everyone wanted to keep so bad, another rag arm.

V says:

You guys totally need to flag these imbeciles with a ‘Dumbass’ tag (do it by IP address).

 
 
 
 

Unearned runs:

CC + AJ = 3
Andy = 6
Teh Jobber =10

Bullpen Regulars: No one more than 3 (Coke)

And is it me, or is Clucthy McClutchbrera in the doghouse?

Nope. Seems more like a platoon.

oooh, okay. Selective memory. =)

Tom says:

Both CF suck, better to have Wells

Steve H says:

David Wells can play CF?

Because you cannot possibly want Vernon Wells on the Yankees to play a horrible CF, not hit and get paid $20mil/year to do it. Can you?

 
 
 
 
 
TJ says:

Melky sucks, he should be packaged and dealt

 
TJ says:

Damon has been awful too, banged up or burned out, maybe the rest will help him.

pat says:

wow you’re fucking annoying.

 
 
Little Bill says:

Why don’t we just trade the whole team TJ? 16 games over .500 just isn’t good enough.

TJ says:

Always seek to improve.

 
 
TJ says:

So has Swisher. Yanks have some holes to fill, they need a couple SPs, Bullpen, a RF.

After this year they can clear some deas weight (Matsui and Damon)

 
 
Tom says:

I know, Swisher sucks

Salty Buggah says:

I think someone’s mind is recovering from TJ surgery

Steve H says:

They need lobotomy’s.

King of Fruitless Hypotheticals says:
 
 
 
 
Luis Polonia says:

I hate the MLB Blackout policy as it relates to MLB.tv. I’m stuck listening to Sterling and Waldman today. Pray for me.

Little Bill says:

I’ll be suffering with you, my friend. It’s going to be brutal.

 
 
Andy in Sunny Daytona says:
 

OK, I’ve figured it out. Tom and TJ are totally not serious.

Little Bill says:

And they’re the same person.

AsianShuutoHeat says:
 
 
 
Boner says:
 
Boner says:

Girardi kind of sucks, I like Pena better

Change your screen name one more time and you’re out of here. Changing names three times in one post isn’t going to make your comments any more relevant.

yankeefan91 Arod fan says:

Lol that is childish.

 
V says:

You guy are too gentle on these dumbasses. I’d have banned him by the third idiotic post.

 
 
 
Salty Buggah says:

Woohoo no Buck/McCarver…Eric Karros? Eh

 
Ant says:

So is everyone, minus Melancon and Bruney, available out of the pen today?

I would think so. Well, not Aceves.

Leaves you w/ Robertson, Hughes, Coke, Mo and Tomko

 
 
 
Salty Buggah says:

I wonder how Uribe feels today after blowing the perfect game

Either one of two possibilities.

1) Sanchez came up to him and said, “hey, don’t worry about it” and Uribe is fine.

2) Uribe feels like shit.

Salty Buggah says:
 
pat says:

yea that’d be my guess.

 
 
 
 
jjyank says:

FOX makes me miss even Kay and Flaherty…lets hope that Andy continues his on-again, off-again style just one more time.

 
Salty Buggah says:

Why is that everytime I get to watch the Yanks, which is only on Fox, Andy Pettitte is pitching? This is like the 3rd time at least.

AsianShuutoHeat says:

lol dude that’s some tough luck

…He’s kinda right.

Except once it was Wang. The 22-4 game.

Salty Buggah says:

Yea, it sucks but luckily, I’ve seen A-rod homer in every game he was in (3 times now).

 
AsianShuutoHeat says:

LOL even more painful :P

 
 
 
 
AsianShuutoHeat says:

HEY! it’s Bobby A-Brew…
Abreu = A BREW!

I find the sleeveless jersey Weaver chooses to wear is kinda weird…

 
Salty Buggah says:

Bandbox reference already with 1 out.

 
V says:

Can FOX be any more obvious about increasing the volume on the microphones for the boos?

 
Little Bill says:

A-Rod has done it again!!!!!

 
Salty Buggah says:

Why do the Angels boo Tex? He did so much for them.

A-ROD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
 
e mills says:
 
J says:

an abomb! for arod!

damn he’s HEATING up. should’ve had another hr and 4 more rbis to his stats too.

Salty Buggah says:

uhh don’t remind me, that still stings a bit.

 
 

A-Rod is so unclutch =P

 
V says:

‘A scout told me’ that Arod’s washed up.

/Olney’d.

An “anonymous scout” of course.

Steve H says:

His home run trots look like a 1st basemans.

 
 
 

Worst…contract…ever. Man this guy sux!!!1!!111!

Well, let’s not let A-Rod’s current success mask the horribleness of his contract.

It’s bad, but can you honestly agree with dim wits who have actually called it the worst contract ever? (cough…peteabe…cough)

Tony says:

Oh, it is the worst contract ever. He would have to be Pujolsing to justify that thing… Pujolsing and aging backwards.

 
 
 
 
Salty Buggah says:

LOL! That first pitch to A-rod was 90 mph but a breaking ball according to Stockton.

He learned it from watching Bard drop 100 MPH deuces.

 
AsianShuutoHeat says:

Much like how Arod was supposed to tie Killebrew at 10th on the all time HR list with one more HR…. (It’s Palmeiro on the 10th spot, Killebrew is on the 9th spot according to the TV).

and Abreu is now pronounced A-brew, I likey!

 
 
Riddering says:

Damn, I love when it’s not caught. Thank you, A-Rod.

It’d be even better if I could see it. Curse you, Fox blackout!

 

Wow, how in the hell did Matsui get on top of that pitch?

 

So the first pitch of Matsui’s AB was a ball but that was a strike? Bull.

 

…a lead off walk? Seriously?

 
Salty Buggah says:

I hope Andy is dandy today…

bad start already, damn these walks

 

That walk pitch to Figgins was exactly the same as the strikeout pitch to Matsui.

Salty Buggah says:

yea, I noticed that too

 
 
jjyank says:

Not how you want to start the game after getting staked a lead…

 
Salty Buggah says:

PeteAbe: And A-Rod injects himself into the top 10 of the career home run list, tying Rafael Palmeiro with 569 home runs. He now trails Harmon Killebrew by four homers for ninth place.

yankeefan91 Arod fan says:

He really Hates arod

 
V says:

Man, PeteAbe is a total POS lately.

D00d needs to get laid.

 
Little Bill says:

Abraham is terrible. He won’t say one bad word about Pettitte, but he bashes A-Rod every chance he gets. He’s a sportswirter so he constantly overreacts and hyperboles.

Russell NY says:

Yea, although I like his blog I really do hate his bias toward certain players

 
 
 
AsianShuutoHeat says:

I’m REALLLY close to muting the darn TV…..

Nikhil R. says:

Stockton + Karros >>> Buck + McCarver

 
 
Russell NY says:

Not a good sign of things to come when you walk the pesky Figgins (no power) to lead off the game. I can’t understand it.

Zach says:

he has a OBP of .395, lets not act like he walked jeff franceour

 
 
Salty Buggah says:

Hah! Abreu has “blossomed”!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
 
Salty Buggah says:
 
Little Bill says:
 
jjyank says:

What a play for Little G

 

What an AWFUL call.

AsianShuutoHeat says:

Call me paranoid, I think the officials don’t like the Yankees…

 
charlespoet says:

Weren’t you the one who told me umpiring was 18 times harder than I think, last week when the Yankees got screwed 3 times in the Toronto game. Ironic.

That was an easy call not to blow. And, yes, umpiring is still much harder than you think. Have you ever actually done it?

charlespoet says:

Yes at college level along with my father. And I don’t care, it is there job to get it right. That was not the HP umpires call. 1st base was our of position and turned towards the outfield. the umpire at second would have tracked the ball to fielder

 
 
 
 
Salty Buggah says:

OUT!!! Fuckin umps

jjyank says:

yeah, by a good step too

 
 

Double play! Fucking ump!!!!!!!

 
Jackson says:

Soooo…about that instant replay issue?

 
e mills says:

umpiring has been frustrating lately

 
Salty Buggah says:

An Abreu DP would be nice…

 
V says:

Wow. I’m not big on conspiracy theories, but this is way too many fucking bad calls.

charlespoet says:

Eerie that I agree with you.

 
 
charlespoet says:

I know I am preaching to the choir but this is getting ridiculous. These fat lazy out of position fucks are killing the game. And please, none of this “umpiring is 18 times harder than I think” crap. Its their job, if they can’t do it get out.

AsianShuutoHeat says:
 
 

But the ball beat him to the bag!!!

 
Jackson says:

It’s not ironic that Abreu was with the Yankees and now plays on the Angels.

Yes it is. It’s like rain on your wedding day. It’s a free ride when you’ve already paid. It’s good advice that you just can’t.

 
 
V says:

Pettitte is slow to the plate.

He’s got a great move to first, but if he’s not throwing to first, he’s an easy steal.

 
Zach says:

isnt that how its always been? guys go on first move off of him

I believe he was responding to the umpire saying that Pettitte is real hard to steal off of.

 
 
 
whozat says:

Abreu epitomizes Angels baseball? He’s patient and takes walks.

 
jjyank says:

Damn, coulda been a DP

 
Salty Buggah says:

The Mets are in a tough race to make odd moves with the Royals. The Royals traded for Mike Jacobs and now Betancourt (traded 2 pretty good pitchers. The Mets traded Church for Francoeur and now signed Berroa for some reason.

 
Johan Iz My Brohan says:

I don’t know if this has been posted here, but METS CLAIMED ANGEL BERROA OF WAIVERS.

METS = 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014… WS Champions!

 

And, ladies and gentlemen, THAT is how you pitch around shit umpiring.

 
ClayBuchholzLovesLaptops says:

Did they just say “snuff” on the TV?

 
Salty Buggah says:

so we can add Mike Everitt to our Umpire Shit List, right?

 
Dela G says:

A-rod is on fire and i love it!

jjyank says:

Yup, I’m hoping for a big run after the break as everyone seems to be rounding into form.

with a few exceptions of course…

Steve H says:

can’t wait till both Tex and A-Rod get going at the same time. Will be filthy.

 
 
 
AsianShuutoHeat says:

Guys, is it normal for my ears to bleed from watching?

Salty Buggah says:

only when you are listening to ESPN and FOX

 
jjyank says:
 
 

Oooooof, good changeup by Weaver there on strike two. Is it just my selective memory or is Jorge getting destroyed by changes this year?

DP says:

Jorge sucks. Why don’t they DFA Molina and start Cervelli?

 
 
Dorian says:

Hey Mike, will Jesus play tonight even though he has to make the trip to St. Louis tomorrow?

DP says:
 
 
Salty Buggah says:

If Alex had gotten that Grand slam, he would be 2nd on the team in RBI and HRs already…

 
Dela G says:

smart move by posada, but damn he struck out

 
Dela G says:

has weaver’s fastball always been at 90?

Avg. fastball velo. of 89.7 for his career via Fan Graphs.

 
 

That replay shows you just how badly positioned the umpire was. He was behind the bag and his view of the ball was essentially blocked by Teixeira.

 
jjyank says:

Speaking of Fox, remember the playoffs on TBS? Worst announcing I’ve ever heard in my life.

AsianShuutoHeat says:

Was it make your ears bleed bad?

jjyank says:

I had to sedate myself with alcohol and keep paper towels handy for the ear-blood.

 
 
Dorian says:

That was so long ago I don’t remember.

 
 
Dela G says:
whozat says:

Wow. I’m watching this game ON the west coast, and I saw that homer three minutes later than y’all.

Weird.

whozat says:

Oh…wait. I’m an idiot. A friend called me and I paused the game on Tivo.

Dumbass.

Steve H says:
 
 
 
 
AsianShuutoHeat says:
 
Salty Buggah says:

HINSKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
 
Little Bill says:

Power from Hinske!

 

HINSKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

 
James Auchincloss says:
 
Dorian says:

HINSKYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

 
DP says:

AWESOME. HE SHOULD START EVERY GAME STEVE SWISHER SUCKS

 
 
j says:

omg if Hinke turns into David Justice…

DP says:

Haha I think we are getting a little ahead of ourselves

j says:
Steve H says:

But it’s truly impossible.

 
 
 
Steve H says:

Yeah, never gonna happen.

 
 

Eric Hinske has started two games as a Yankee and now has 2 HR. Eric Hinske = Shelley Duncan?

Dela G says:

as long as we keep on winning, he can be whomever he wants to be

 
Steve H says:
 
jjyank says:

Fingers crossed for Shane Spencer 2.0! Haha

 
ClayBuchholzLovesLaptops says:

Glenallen Hill. Only plays twice a week but hits homeruns all the time.

 
 
jjyank says:

Yeah Hinske! Looks like Cash’s most recent under-the-radar move is working out so far.

 

We got Hinske AND cash from Pirates for two prospects that were never going to help the big league club. :D

jjyank says:

Yeah, sometimes the great moves are the low-profile ones.

Dela G says:

thats how championship teams are made

 
jjyank says:

And Hinske’s been on 2 of them right? One WS Champion team and one AL Champion team.

Dela G says:

correct. in back to back years no less

sox 07
rays 08

jjyank says:

Haha Hinske is the missing link! It wasn’t Beckett in 07, it was Hinske! #27 here we come!

Just kidding, although I’m glad to have Hinske on the team.

 
 
 
 
 
 
Salty Buggah says:

Hinske has already done enough to make this a successful trade, right? For Fryer and Erickson (?), it’s already good

jjyank says:

Definitely. I doubt those players would have ever contributed to the major league club. Hinske has a track record of being a successful bench guy who can pinch hit with some pop and get the occasional start to rest a regular.

I’d be surprised if they ever even helped the Pirates that much.

 
 
 
Dela G says:

great inning for pettite

kept the ball up just enough to force them to overswing

 
Salty Buggah says:

Jeter’s bat has been busy in the past 24 hours, especially last night, since we are in Cali…

I hope he scores again today/tonight

 
charlespoet says:

There is just no outside corner for Pettitte. Makes you wonder why there is even a definition of the strike zone in the rule book.

here is a story, Ted Barrett runs a clinic in Arizona in late Jan, early Feb. The strike zone they teach is 2 balls width off the black. Their view is that the hitters can reach it so it is a strike.

Makes you wonder why there is even a definition of the strike zone in the rule book.

I say this literally every time there’s a bad strike/ball call: there needs to be a standardized strike-zone that has to be enforced. Pitchers and hitters should not have to play a guessing game as to what the strike-zone based on who’s calling the game that day.

charlespoet says:
 
 
jjyank says:

When I was in little league, I hit a ball a foot over my head and got a triple, but that didn’t make it a strike.

 
 

Holy shit; I did not realize Jeets was that close to Gehrig.

Zach says:

it was waht 70-80 away? he should reach it this year

 
Riddering says:

Which record is that?

Dela G says:

the all time hit record as a yankee

 
 
 
Dela G says:

i wonder, seeing how weaver pitches, if he can be able to stay healthy past the age of 30

 
Salty Buggah says:

I wouldn’t want to face the Giants or Cards in the playoffs because of their pitching

Dela G says:

the cards pitching isn’t that great

Chris carpenter was TERRIBLE against the AL as a blue jay, but when he moved to the NL, the could finally get the hitters out.

Zach says:

while that may be right, that was 6 years ago. he’s a stud when healthy

 
Salty Buggah says:

Lohse and Wainwright are pretty good

 

Carpenter was a very good prospect, just kept getting hurt. Serious injuries too. It’s more like he managed to stay healthy for a few years rather than feasting on the weak NL.

 
 

In a long series I’d prefer the Giants but whoever draws them in a short series is screwed.

Dela G says:

amen to that.

lincecum cain johnson zito sanchez and a myriad of kids they can call up

yikes

ClayBuchholzLovesLaptops says:

That was exactly my thinking when I bet on them before the season.

 
 
 
 

What are you looking for on that one, Tex?

 
Salty Buggah says:

Andy totally got squeezed there in the Wood AB

Dela G says:

yeah that 3rd pitch was a definite strike

 
 

I thought all the BB’s were the new stadiums fault Andy!

 
Aj says:
 
Drew says:

I’m a little late to the party today. What kind of HR did Al hit?

Salty Buggah says:
Drew says:

oppo field, center, left? Deep or right over the fence?

Jackson says:

Just cleared the fence in left center. Not a bomb but by no means a cheapy

Drew says:
 
 
 
Salty Buggah says:

Well, it kind of carried but I though it had a really good good shot to go out. It went to left center and Im gonna guess it was a 395-400 ft shot

 
 
 
YankeeScribe says:

Line drive homer. I thought it was going to be a double

 

It was a pitch on the inside corner and he got his hands in on it real quick and was able to drive it out.

 
Drew says:

Gracias everyone.

 
 
Dela G says:
 
Salty Buggah says:

Double Play!!!! Take that umps

 
charlespoet says:

See, now if Pettitte can forget there is an inconsistent umpire behind HP, he will be fine. That was nice pitching.

 
Aj says:

Is it possible that an Anti-Yankee bias outside of NY influences the umpires to make calls against the Yanks? Consciously or subconsciously?

 
Dela G says:

this angels stadium is beautiful

Zach says:

“One Red Sox fan was taunting a woman in a wheel chair during last year’s playoffs.”

AsianShuutoHeat says:

It’s a Bawston fan… what else do we expect?

 
 
Dela G says:

that was a funny read

 
 
 
Salty Buggah says:

I think it’s funny how Stockton calls every fastball a breaking ball

 

If Wakefield starts the ASG I may have to give up baseball.

Haren should start for the NL.

Robinson Canó comes through with a man on and two out!

 
 
 
Salty Buggah says:

Nice AB by A-rod

Dela G says:
 
 
Drew says:

Al’s average is creepin up to a dangerous level. I wonder if his OBP will raise accordingly or if it will level off around .410 where it is now.

Dela G says:

it will most def rise. I bet it goes to about .440ish maybe .450

i wish it could be bonds like of .500+ w/o the clear or the cream

Salty Buggah says:

Bonds had a .609 OBP in 2004!! DAYUM!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dela G says:

my god that is incredible

was that better than ruth?

Zach says:

ruth’s highest OBP was .545

bonds 45 hr in only 373 AB too

 
 
 
 
Salty Buggah says:

well, he’s been a walking a lot this year even during his huge slump. He’s striking out less so maybe he does keep that OBP up.

 
 
Salty Buggah says:

Smart play by A-rod going to the outside of the bag to avoid being picked off. I just learned a basic fundamental of baseball by watching.

 
Dorian says:

HOW MANY TIMES IS THIS MORON GONNA CALL A 93 MPH FASTBALL “A BREAKING PITCH”?

AsianShuutoHeat says:
 
 
charlespoet says:
 
Dela G says:

what a pathetic swing and miss by matsui!

IMO, no one looks worse than Matsui while swinging and missing.

Salty Buggah says:

Swisher is close

I think Matsui’s bucket-stepping is what makes him look so awful.

 
 
Dela G says:

he and ichiro look terrible when swinging and missing

Drew says:

Yeah, it’s the way the japanese players lunge and lean into their swing.

Dela G says:

fukudome is a classic example

 
 
 
AsianShuutoHeat says:

CANO!!!!!!!! no longer RBI-allergic! no more RBI-phobia!!!

 
 
 
jjyank says:
 
Dela G says:

i bet posada hits here

 
Drew says:

How about Hinske, this guy probably deserves a lot more playing time.

Little Bill says:

He’s hit 1 HR. Swish is the better defender and better hitter. Damon is better. There’s nowhere for Hinske to play. He’s a bench player.

Dela G says:

he’s actually hit 2 HRs

Still shouldn’t be taking PT from anyone right now.

 
 
Zach says:

he has 2 HR, but i agree

 
Drew says:
 
 
 
charlespoet says:

Jared Weaver looks like one of those kids who was a total shit head in middle school

charlespoet says:

Maybe it is the whispy Meg Ryan do.

I think it’s that he’s related to Jeff.

charlespoet says:
 
 
 
 
Dela G says:

robbie proves em wrong!!!

 
Little Bill says:

They should have cut Cano when they had the chance.

 
YankeeScribe says:

ROBBIE GOT A HIT WITH A RISP!!!!

 
Salty Buggah says:

A-rod’s getting on base over 41.5% of the time yet he hasn’t scored much so hopefully Robbie gets hot with RISP to bring him home more.

And there we go Robbie!

 
charlespoet says:

He just hits so much better in the 6th spot

 
 
j says:

man… arod over his last 15 games… and including today’s stats…

404/551/843

damn.

Dela G says:

those are the amazing stats a-rod said in february he wanted to have this season

 
Salty Buggah says:

hope he keeps that up for a long time. I know his AVG will stay up for the BABIP correction, maybe the SLG goes down a bit. But even when A-rod isn’t A-rod completely, he’s still immensibly valubale and productive.

 
 
Dela G says:

great inning by the yankees!

 
Salty Buggah says:

Uh-oh cmon Andy…I hate 1-2 hits too

Zach says:

0-0 hits are worse

Salty Buggah says:

no they’re not that bad…1-2 and 0-2 hits piss me off

 
 
 
jjyank says:

Thanks Robbie! Before the 08 season I dropped the cash on an authentic Jersey, and I went with Robbie, the guy I anointed as my favorite active position player after Bernie retired. After last season, it makes me smile to see Robbie do rebound.

 
Dela G says:

man aybar was chillaxin and waiting for that pitch

lets hope that we can escape this 4th inning

 
Drew says:

Ugh, Abreu is so damn good, I wouldn’t mind part deux next season.

Dela G says:

only if he is DH

nothing else

 
whozat says:

No.

No no no. The grass is always greener. He’s hitting well, but I doubt his defense — which was historically bad in 2008 — has improved. He gave back most of his value last year with his terrible defense. The Yanks don’t need more DHes.

Drew says:

WHo’s our DH next year? JoPo is going to catch 115+, let’s see how it shakes out.

Drew says:

Also, let’s not underestimate 300/400, 25+SB 100 R’s 100 BB’s

whozat says:

Let’s not underestimate just how bad his defense is. Seriously. He’s a huge liability out there.

Drew says:

True, which is why having him DH a good chunk would be great. Let’s not act like Swish and Damon have been gold glovers this year. Abreu has his obvious faults, especially on the deep fly ball. While he gives up runs with some misplayed balls, he also takes runs away with the cannon attached to his body. What he does on offense is hard to mimic.

whozat says:

Compared to Abreu, they have been. According to every metric we have, he was terrible in 2008. Awful. And his arm became a LOT less accurate.

He’s an offense-only player now.

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Drew says:

I’m not telling you he’s average on defense, he’s probably below average. I’m not sure where we disagree. Like I said, I wouldn’t mind Abreu part deux next year. Offense only? He’s not Hideki Matsui.

 
V says:

I think you’re really underestimating how bad his defense is. He’s approaching what Matsui could do on crutches.

 
 
 
 
 
 
Salty Buggah says:

exactly…it was similar with Manny

 
Dela G says:

well if they get rid of damon and matsui…

they need a DH

whozat says:

Not really.

With the time that ARod, Jeter and Posada should spend at DH, I’d be happier if they got a better backup IFer, and then got Damon and Nady on one year deals to rotate in the corners with Swisher so Damon can have DH ABs too.

Since Crawford isn’t going to be available, I’d much rather wind up with Damon and Nady on 1-year deals than spend too much for too long on Bay or Holliday.

Drew says:

Nady? who knows if his arm will even work.

whozat says:

It goes without saying that this is pending medicals.

Replace him with Juan Rivera, then.

Drew says:

Yeah, it’s going to be a fun winter.I’m not sure if Cashmoney and Joe G are sold on Swish at the halfway point. Either way, we definitely have a couple holes to fill after we win this year.

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Zach says:

does Juan Rivera have a 3 year contact?

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Salty Buggah says:

You know, Robbie’s had a couple of hit recently with RISP so I hope that brings his confidence up in those spots and hits well.

 
James Auchincloss says:

I know he can’t play defense, but I can’t help but think abreu would be racking up numbers if he was still in the yankees lineup

 
charlespoet says:

Well Joba couldn’t hold a 4 run lead, what is pettitte’s fate?

Dela G says:

he’ll hold this lead

 
Salty Buggah says:

yea, I hope he can hold them here

 
ShuutoHeat says:

I assume veteran pitchers have better crisis management, thanks to all the experience.

 
 
Dela G says:

HUUUUGE STRIKE OUT THERE ANDY!

jjyank says:

Yeah, he needs to close the door while we still have a somewhat comfortable lead.

Dela G says:

and he closed the door right there

 
 
 
AJ says:

Would you give up Joba Chamberlain and Austin Jackson for Roy Halladay?

Little Bill says:

TJ, is that you?

Salty Buggah says:

nah, I think AJ has been here before and that seemed like a good question.

To answer it, I wouldn’t but I love our prospects and I doubt the Jays take “only” that much.

 
 
jjyank says:

Does it matter? Jays would never pull the trigger.

 
Steve S says:

i would personally drive them as long as the yankees can negotiate with halladay.

but i wouldnt be surprised if the yankees pull off a cliff lee deal with jackson as the centerpiece

 
A.D. says:

I’d be willing to trade anyone for the right deal,I just don’t think Halladay is where some of the farm should go, a top corner outfielder for next year would be nice.

 
 
Salty Buggah says:

Nice Andy…damage control, teach it to Joba

Drew says:

I’d rather CC teach him. Andy hasn’t been so hot at it this year or last…

Salty Buggah says:

still, he has been good at limiting damage with his high hits and somewhat the walks.

If everyone can teach him, it would be best.

 
 
Zach says:

lets remember andy gave up 4+ ER 7 times this year, not counting ATL when his defense failed but couldnt control damage.

Salty Buggah says:

yea true but he has still limited the damage. He has decent stuff and gives up a lot of hits and has had a lot of control problems this year. 8 wins, yes wins are a flawed stat, say that he has limited damage to keep the team in a position/chance to win.

Zach says:

dont really agree, but as a veteran does he have stuff to teach joba? yeah, but also dont know what kind of guy Andy is as a teacher. Mussina was the one to take Kennedy/Hughes under his wing last year, not Pettitte

Salty Buggah says:

true…Moose should come back and teach Joba how to limit damage, he’d be the best.

 
 
 
 
 
jjyank says:

Speaking of vets teaching rookies, do you guys think Mo comes back as a coach after he retires, or does something less involved like Yogi does?

Zach says:

as a special instructor in ST sure. as bench/pitching/etc coach, no

Drew says:

Plus he can’t teach the cut. He say’s that he’s tried over the years and other pitchers just can’t throw it. It’s hard for all-timers to coach. I agree, probably consultant/special instructor. I think he’ll be around plenty.

 
 
ShuutoHeat says:

Was almost out of there with that swing!

 
 

MyPinstripes Jesus Montero put on inactive list to play in the Futures Game in St. Lou

Salty Buggah says:

I wonder why? Could it just be the Yanks don’t want him to play

Nono, I think you’re misreading the post–

I think that Montero’s inactive for Trenton cos he has to go to St. Louis tomorrow

Salty Buggah says:

oh gotcha. I didn’t get it because I thought that was obvious so it musn have something else you were saying. EPIC FAIL me.

 
 
Zach says:

no i think she means hes leaving the AA team to go to St Louis to play in the game.

 
 
 
YankeeScribe says:

Jered Weaver is a starting pitcha

 
Dela G says:

jeter is fucking money as usual

 
Little Bill says:

Man, Jeter and A-Rod are on fire right now.

 
ShuutoHeat says:

Argh, posting in the wrong comments…gotta love Jeet though.

 
Salty Buggah says:

Abreu has a -4.9 UZR/150 but had a -25.3 UZR/150 with us last year!

 
AJ says:

did Damon bust it down the line?

 
AJ says:
 
Dela G says:
 

Is it me or is Andy so not getting those calls?

Dela G says:

he’s not at all

 
justin says:

He’s not…this guy’s strikezone is shifted a few inches to the right (our right his left) when Weaver pitches.

 
Salty Buggah says:

both…I’d say nearly 50/50

 
 
Marcus says:

With Weaver nearing 100 pitches, it’s time to knock him out and get to the soft underbelly of the Angels’ bullpen…

Dela G says:

we said the same thing yesterday

how did that work out?

jjyank says:

If our pitching doesn’t blow up again, it’ll work out fine. We scored 6 runs last night, that’s enough to win most ball games.

 
 
 
Drew says:

Odd to see Kendrick at 227.

Dela G says:

agreed. he is a very very good hitter. Let’s hope he gets hot after the break and not against the yanks

 
 
justin says:

I’m really sick of this troll-like play by play man calling fastballs breaking balls…its very irritating

Dela G says:

better than red sox knob polisher rick sutcliffe

 
 

Did Stockton seriously call that pitch “a bit high”? Wow. It was at the dude’s thigh.

 
Salty Buggah says:

that ball 2 Wood is a call that Andy isn’t getting but Weaver is

ShuutoHeat says:

UMPS hate Yankees…

 
 
Dela G says:

DAMN IT!!!!LHLKJLSJDLJSDJ!!!

 

It’s the ballpark Andy.

 
Salty Buggah says:

damn it Andy/Umps

 
j says:

get it together…

 
Drew says:

Damn bandbox.. oh wait

 
Dorian says:

What is the leash on Andy today?

 
 
Dela G says:

this same shit happened to job yesterday in the 5th inning

 
jjyank says:

DAMMIT. Gotta get out of this inning.

 
Salty Buggah says:

oh shit, it’s the 5th innings again..Cmon Andy

 
A.D. says:

I dislike it when the Yanks play the Angels.

 
V says:

So, think Pete will have 10 updates on Pettitte’s suckitude? Or is that limited to Joba?

 
Dela G says:

oh jesus

david robertson working in the pen

 
BigBlueAL says:

Oh God Robertson is up. Why not Aceves??? Oh wait…..

 
jjyank says:

Assuming Andy gets out of the inning with the lead, who goes for the 6th? Pettite or D-rob?

 
Dela G says:

they should make joba come in and pitch relief as punishment

 

We have to come back to Anaheim?

Fuck southern california

 
Drew says:

Ump hasn’t been too bad according to pitch fx.
http://brooksbaseball.net/pfx/.....evDate=711

A.D. says:

issue is he’s giving Weaver the strike off the plate, and not giving it to Pettitte. Otherwise he’s been fine

 
 
BigBlueAL says:

No replay of the play at 1st??

 
BigBlueAL says:

Kirk Gibson never made an All-Star team????

 

Joe Buck totally doesn’t seem like the guy who would have a BBQ at his house.

 
jjyank says:

Wikipedia says Mantle only played 18 years and was an all-star 16 times. Who’s right?

 
 
Salty Buggah says:

damn it…cmon Andy!!!!!!

 
AJ says: